I've been indicted on multiple charges!

[Kuciwalker]

It is illegal not because it's a "deviation from the norm" (referring to child abuse here, not the above post ) but because a minor is not deemed responsible enough to make a decision on his or her own, and is vulnerable to coercion.

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


In the US, just about anyone who deviates from the norm is put in jail.

That's why I don't understand why you call it the land of free.

I've got more freedom in my little finger down here in Australia.

Speaking of which, the age of concent in Australia was reduced for both hetro and homo to (I think) 16 years.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Sorry for the parsing... but I'm a little pressed for time .

Fair enough.

The rate of sexual exploitation of minors by men is far greater than the sexual exploitation of minors by women.

Just because the rate is greater for the former doesn't mean the latter does not exist.

I'm not saying that it doesn't (although the difference is huge). I'm also not saying that it is impossible for males to be harmed by sexual relationships with older women. What I am saying is that there is a psychological difference between the sexes such that the effects on females are as a general rule worse. There is a tendency to assume, without further investigation, that if there is a relationship between an older woman and a teenage boy, that it must be bad because almost all of the relationships between older men and teenage girls are bad. This simply isn't true.

It is also the case that most 14-16 year old males would relaish the opportunity to copulate with an attractive older woman

You don't think the 14-16 year old females relish having a relationship with an attractive older man? Or do you think they are forced into it.

I don't think they do in the same way. I remember seeing a middle aged woman interviewed who'd been having sex with her teenage son's friend. His other friends blackmailed her into having sex with them by threatening to report her to the police. At the end there were gangs of teenage boys at her house waiting to have a go at her. I can't recall anything like this ever happening with a man.

While it's true that both genders can suffer from being with older people, females tend to suffer more.

Again... you admit that younger males can also suffer harm from relationships to older females. Just because it is less common than the other way around does not mean we should just ignore it.

That's not what I'm saying. My claim is that it isn't fair to deprive teenage boys of enjoying sex because it harms somebody else. The law should be changed to target abusive relationships rather than all of them. As it stands the law just seems to reflect the squeamishness that adults feel about teenage sexuality.

Tell me, in your city is there a problem with 40ish women cruising the streets in cars looking for 14 year old girls to abuse?

No... but then again there isn't a problem in my town with 40ish men cruising the streets looking for 14 year old girls either.

Strange city.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by skywalker
It is illegal not because it's a "deviation from the norm" (referring to child abuse here, not the above post ) but because a minor is not deemed responsible enough to make a decision on his or her own, and is vulnerable to coercion.

Yeah, but how many 16 year old boys would need to be coerced into sleeping with an attractive older woman?

Would you?

[Kuciwalker]

The point is, you aren't deemed capable of making the decision.

Now, nasty example, but how many REALLY little kids would resist being molested? If they don't understand what's happening, they aren't being coerced, are they?

it isn't fair to deprive teenage boys of enjoying sex

I nominate this for funniest quote of the century

[Agathon]

Originally posted by skywalker
The point is, you aren't deemed capable of making the decision.

Now, nasty example, but how many REALLY little kids would resist being molested? If they don't understand what's happening, they aren't being coerced, are they?

I'm not talking about small children. Basically, the issues here are what the age of consent should be (18 is just too high) and whether we should recognise some difference between the effects of relationships with older people on males and females (I think we should as a general rule)

I nominate this for funniest quote of the century

Excellent.

Serendipitously, there's a program about Mary Kay LeTourneau on A&E at 8pm tonight.

[Kuciwalker]

Umm, I think you need to fix the quote

If you think the age of consent is too high, than that may be the case. I was saying that there did need to be an age of consent, and that just because the 16 year old want to do it, doesn't mean that they should be allowed to.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by skywalker
Umm, I think you need to fix the quote

Ah - bollocks!

If you think the age of consent is too high, than that may be the case. I was saying that there did need to be an age of consent, and that just because the 16 year old want to do it, doesn't mean that they should be allowed to.

Agreed. I just think that Korn was treated very badly by an unjust law. All for the crime of wanting to get his end away with a pretty girl he really liked; and all because he lives in an area that is paleoconservative about sex.

[Japher]

If I ran the world:

Age of consent = whenever they consented

Age to drink = whenever they could afford it

Age to drive = as soon as they learned to hold their alcohol

Age to die for your country = as soon as they could hold a gun

Age to vote = What? Never. I am running the sheiT



Deal is, you break the rules, you pay the price. I feel for Korn, I've been hornig once or twice before , but I am sure he new the rules... It ain't so much about the rules be lame, which in this case they are, but more so about Korn have a lapse of judgement...

[Dinner]

I'm to lazy to look through 18 pages of posts. How old did the girl turn out to be?

[Giancarlo]

it isn't fair to deprive teenage boys of enjoying sex

So many people are talking about us here... lol....

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I'm to lazy to look through 18 pages of posts. How old did the girl turn out to be?

36.



ACK!

[Imran Siddiqui]

What I am saying is that there is a psychological difference between the sexes such that the effects on females are as a general rule worse. There is a tendency to assume, without further investigation, that if there is a relationship between an older woman and a teenage boy, that it must be bad because almost all of the relationships between older men and teenage girls are bad. This simply isn't true.

You can extend that, if you want, to say that there is a tendancy to assume if there is a relationship between and older man and a teenage woman, then it must be bad because a substantial number of older man and teenage woman relationships are bad for the woman.

MANY laws are overinclusive. If you say that teenage females are psychologically harmed by this type of relationship, and then some (but not the same number of) teenage males are as well, it would be strange ONLY to have this 4 year law for females. A law that has statutory rape being 'males who have sex with a female who is younger than 4 years of age of him' wouldn't survive. It's violate 'Equal Protection Under the Laws'. Even though females might suffer MORE psychologically, so do some males. A law simply to protect teenage females would also be overinclusive... however, certain people believe the psychological problems and the fact that legally you aren't of an age which you can be rationally capable of making a decision.

I don't favor seperate laws for males and females. If you are older than 4 years of age than your mate, and she, or her parents, decide to report it, you should get some punishment.

I also believe the Age of Consent (where the other person's age doesn't matter) should be 18... the age where you become a full legal person.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

You can extend that, if you want, to say that there is a tendancy to assume if there is a relationship between and older man and a teenage woman, then it must be bad because a substantial number of older man and teenage woman relationships are bad for the woman.

I'm not extending it. I'm just suggesting that the current criteria are silly.

MANY laws are overinclusive. If you say that teenage females are psychologically harmed by this type of relationship, and then some (but not the same number of) teenage males are as well, it would be strange ONLY to have this 4 year law for females. A law that has statutory rape being 'males who have sex with a female who is younger than 4 years of age of him' wouldn't survive. It's violate 'Equal Protection Under the Laws'. Even though females might suffer MORE psychologically, so do some males. A law simply to protect teenage females would also be overinclusive... however, certain people believe the psychological problems and the fact that legally you aren't of an age which you can be rationally capable of making a decision.

The best way to deal with this is to give the police some discretion. What usually happens is that the police will only prosecute a stat case if there are some aggravating factors (like one party being much older than the other or evidence that some kind of coercion has occurred or evidence that the younger party is particularly immature).

[Imran Siddiqui]

The best way to deal with this is to give the police some discretion.

Um.... where are you from? The police ALWAYS have discretion . If they don't think it's bad, they can always look the other way.

OTOH, when a parent calls, there is always the threat of some sort of violence between the parent and the guy, so the police have to show up. Whether they arrest the guy or not, is their own perogative.