Sarantium Embassy

[binTravkin]

Guys, now (520AD) that we've met Sarantium we should initiate diplomacy.


Message proposal:

Greetings oh inhabitants of the lands over the pond!

We have met some of your fishermen and they have told us that your great civilization is named "Sarantium" and that you embrace the teachings of Buddha.

We call ourselves "centaurians" from the "Alpha Centauri" and follow the wisdom of The Great Yang.
Our intent is peace and prosperity an we would like to exchange our knowledge with you.

Do you also wish to enter in fruitful trade relationship with us?

The Centaurians

[N35t0r]

[N35t0r]

also, you should top this and untop the vox embassy

[PJayTycy]

looks good

[PJayTycy]

Answer from Sarantium

Dear Centaurians,

The Imperial Democracy of Sarantium greets you with friendship. We hope this first meeting will promise a prosperous and mutually beneficial future. As a sign of friendship we have offered to trade Compass and Horseback Riding, with us pitching in some cash to make up the difference. If this is not sufficient, we can make up the deficit in our next trade.

Our continent has seen virtually constant war from the start of the game, hence our 'restrained' start. However, we currently have peace and are looking forward to a prolonged period of growth and prosperity.

We would be interested in establishing closer relations with you and possibly co-ordinating future technology research.

Best regards,

Aidun, official representative of Sarantium

[binTravkin]

What do you think?
We will be first to circumvent anyway.

[snoopy369]

I presume you mean Circumnavigate...

[PJayTycy]

I think it's strange they had war for so long and suddenly decide to make peace... Maybe because they want to ally against us ?

In any case, if we start trading with them, we should have them sign some Tech Trade Treaty first (ie: don't trade our techs to other civs without our knowledge)

[N35t0r]

Yeah. They won't disagree, but it's better to lay it down beforehand.

We need horseback riding for knights anyway, so it's a good deal IMO.


As for them making peace: it could very possibly be that they were getting nowhere (and they've been at war since the early game and still no one has managed to come on top) they pretty much thought they were going to get gobbled up by either us, GS, or both of us if they didn't sit up and do something about it.

[binTravkin]

We should time our HBR trade with Sarantium so that we recieve it no sooner than 6 turns. We will have horses in 8 turns and Guilds around the same time, so that will be a nasty surprise to GS.

[-SafaN-]

Message Proposal:

Our dear friends of Sarantium. We thank you for your swift reaction but we are afraid we have to decline at this moment. The timing for HBR isn't right yet, and we have some paperwork to do first.

- You are not to trade techs you didn't research yourself. This is for every tech you recieve from us. We will do the same for all techs we recieve from you.

- Since the timing for HBR is very important we will initiate the trade ourselves in 5-7 turns. For this waiting time we will halve the sum of gold you were prepared to give us.


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This should be sent together with the turn since they are the next team

[PJayTycy]

This was our Tech Trade Treaty with GS and Banana :

1. technology trades will be based on beakers with equality being the goal.
2. each of the three civs agrees not to retrade any technology acquired in trade from one of the three; without prior agreement of the researching nation.
3. trades arranged are kept even if a tech to be traded for is acquired by other means.
4. each of the three teams agrees to an embargo on the team known as Vox. Technology will never be traded with Vox and borders with them will remain closed forever.
5. tech trade arrangements among member nations will be common knowledge to member nations - ie. when a trade deal is finalized all 3 members will be notified even if only 2 parties are involved in the trade.

Which could be changed for Sarantium into :

1. technology trades will be based on beakers with equality being the goal.
2. each of the civs agrees not to retrade any technology acquired in trade from one of the others; without prior agreement of the researching nation.
3. trades arranged are kept even if a tech to be traded for is acquired by other means.

With 5 turns waiting time, there's the chance we'll meet other nations and get other/similar trade proposals. What will we do then to decide who gets the trade ?

[binTravkin]

PJay, we need to add that difference can be paid in gold, per agreement (since 1 gold != 1beaker).

To decide who gets the trade we need to eval their diplomatic status, their overall power (and tech amount) and what do we get.
In case of equal trade possibilities, the weakest of all three should be the preferred partner as long as it is not at war with both others (in which case next weakest).
So, now it seems that the list would be like

Horde
Sarantium
Mercs

in that order of preference.

[PJayTycy]

Originally posted by binTravkin
PJay, we need to add that difference can be paid in gold, per agreement (since 1 gold != 1beaker).

So, what is a general accepted conversion rate ?

For us I think currently 1 gold ~ 1.3 beakers (how much gold+beakers do we get at 100% tech and at 100% gold)

But that will change with other civics, other buildings, more/less cities, ...

[binTravkin]

We get 100 gold when running full gold, and 250 beakers when running full beakers.
Since our costs are ~75, that means 175:250 or 1 gold = 1.43b, but I was meaning literally "difference can be paid in gold, per agreement" and that's it, since the rate is fluctuating over time and over civ.