What do we do now?

[rendelnep]

We still field a large army, I think we should try and reclaim Legopolis (depending what GOW does but I can assume not much just land the extra tanks). We still have albiene and Dye fields and fort Stanwix. We still have heaps of infantry which could be used and artillery and Gs will have is forces all split up ainto several stacks. Whats the possablity of stealing technologly? I say the war ain't over tillit's over. C'mon there must be ways around this.

[ZargonX]

Well, here's a crazy idea... we could try and make peace with GoW and ask for their help in driving GS back into the sea. I mean, we're already crippled beyond being in the game-winning position, so beating on us is only going to cost them units they could be using against the real threat.

Who knows, though. They might be too obsessed with the idea of taking us out of the game entirely. It's worth a shot, though...

[ZargonX]

Well, I took it upon myself to try and stir the diplomatic fires, and I apologize for not running it by everyone first, but, honestly, what do we have to lose at this point

Anyway, here's what I sent to MZ:

Warmonger Zen,

As you may well note, the nation of Legoland has been invaded recently by yourselves and the so-called "Stormchickens." Consequently, you may also be aware that the Stormchickens recently conquered half of our empire in one fell swoop. While of course this is probably a good thing from your invading perspective, ask yourself if it is really a good thing in the long term? Your forces stand outside Ft. Stanwix, poised to attack.

But what will this really accomplish? You will likely take heavy losses, and the Stormchickens will take advantage of your sacrifice and conquer more lands for themselves. There has got to be a better way. In this time of war, let us not forget that alliances can shift, and fights don't have to continue just because people think they should. Lego has been hurt badly, and our position in the world greatly diminished. Do you wish to see the same thing happen to your own empire merely for the chance at kicking us while we are down?

-ZX

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by ZargonX
Well, here's a crazy idea... we could try and make peace with GoW and ask for their help in driving GS back into the sea.

Zargon, what for ??

[vondrack]

Hey, that's a great message, Zargon!

(I like it even more, considering how much DeepO's post irked me - Jesus, they thought we did not expect them to use the empty transports to attack! And they knew they could have taken Abilene! ...)

I believe we no longer need to run things as tight as we used to, especially diplo-wise... getting out of this **** can only happen through a miracle - and a miracle can happen spontaneously while we do just about anything.

So let's wheel and deal!

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Tiberius
I have a wild idea. Let's call it Operation Geneve

It is based on the fact that GS and GoW wanted to deny us the victory, which already happened. Which means that if we abandon most of our cities, they will lose the goal of the war. Why would they sacrifice their army against an enemy which doesn't represent a danger anymore?

The plan:

- we gift our western cities to Vox. Hopefully GS and GoW wouldn't mind, as Vox doesn't represent a danger for them. We swear not to take them back. Ever.

- we would abandon everything in the N, and E

- we would keep a small core (well, as much as possible) in the S, E and S-E.

- we would stop attacking the GS+GoW forces. We could even disband some of our troops; it doesn't matter anyway.

- we would not oppose if they build cities on Legos

- Finally, we would do all this with one single purpose only: to help Vox win the game!

- Vox starts immeditely a wonder prebuild in Kloreepvile or Panama.

- Vox builds the UN !!!

- The opponent would be probably GoW. We vote for Vox. That's 2 votes already. Maybe we could convince RP to vote for Vox as well. A small team might like the idea of another small team winning the game, against all odds. Togas and Arnelos are the like who might a twist like this. Maybe we could convince even one more team to vote for Vox or at least abstain. Maybe ND. It'd be difficult, but they have no chances whatsoever to win this game anyway, especially if we let GS and GoW with their huge army. Too bad Darekill left them Even for GS it should be difficult to choose, as the should vote for GoW to keep the game going

A small team winning the game would save as less as it is left from idea of CIVILIZATIONS, which this game was supposed to be about. We all would sleep better, I think, and our defeat would be less bitter

I like your plan. I would like try it. It would be so great if we could keep GS and GOW form winning. They must pay for what they have done to legoland

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Tiberius
Zargon, what for ??

Just for the heck of it.

Just to show them one last time they do not have a patent on reason.

I'm in.

[Jack_www]

I also like your plan ZargonX. Anything that we can do to prevent GS and GOW form winning I am for.

[vondrack]

BTW... those two plans do not exclude each other, do they?

[ZargonX]

BTW... those two plans do not exclude each other, do they?

Nope! And that's the best part

[Kloreep]

Nope, they don't.

And good idea Zargon. I've been skeptical of trying to talk to GS, but GoW won't have nearly so much trouble with a backstab if they think it's in their best interest.

[ZargonX]

DeepO...

I don't think he comprehends the idea that combat settlers aren't brilliant strategy... and I'm not going to try and discuss it with him anymore...

[ZargonX]

Well, I guess we got MZ's answer, despite his not even bothering to respond to my PM. Jackass.

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by ZargonX
Well, I guess we got MZ's answer, despite his not even bothering to respond to my PM. Jackass.

ND sends save: 11-12 17:32

Zargon sends message: 12-12 10:35

It's possible the attack began before you even sent it. It seems MZ _is_ GoW at the moment, after all.

[ZargonX]

Well, he said he wasn't sending the save until this evening, which is when he made the post. I'm just going on the prior track record I have with him in regards to responding to diplomacy by ignoring the person