GoW- Diplomacy comments #2

[Arrian]

Oh, and here is the response that I came up with, but did not post:

And again, while it is true that GS may be able to wipe Vox out, that doesn't mean that they should.

Do you have a reason why we shouldn't, beyond nebulous "good things?"

Better yet, please contact our people via diplomatic channels, and let us know why we shouldn't finish the job.

-Arrian

[notyoueither]

Arrian, see the other thread...

[zeit]

About Engineering: ND is researching it, does this means we can have something arranged that would please everyone, and keep Vox isolated?

[alva]

I f we persuade to give it to us for free if we take out Vox really fast, denying it to others. We would have a slight problem concerning GOW though.

[alva]

Hmm, Zeit, tour answer to UNO might seem a little, well, lazy
(see the log to see what I mean. )

[Aeson]

Sorry.. a response to MZ's last post that I don't want to post publicly, but just have to post somewhere!

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Vox's intent is not for peace. It is to shirk the responsibility they took upon themselves when they started this war. Then, they felt they held an advantage on us, and pressed it as far as they could. Now, they realize the advantage is with us, and cry for peace.

I don't blame them for that, warfare to gain an advantage is part of the game, so is negotiation to gain an advantage. I don't even blame them for the deception they played, as it is up to their team to define what level of honor they wish to give to their agreements. They have defined that level in our estimation though, and that level is nil. Their word no longer has any meaning to GS.

So I ask, what is Vox offering to GS other than empty words, insults, false allegations, and territory we already control?

[zeit]

I f we persuade to give it to us for free if we take out Vox really fast, denying it to others. We would have a slight problem concerning GOW though.

What I had in mind- ND selling to everyone at a very low price (to compensate for the gold already paid for Vox). ND won't get any customers at all if Vox lives long enough, and will get them all if we arrange it. This is our chance to play the game, to our advantage, without being sleazy...

After all, GoW did say they are willing to buy Eng. from us, didn't they?

Everyone is happy, Vox is isolated, we get better relations with ND, end of story.

What do you say?

[Shiber]

Zeit: I'm in favor!

[Aeson]

I think it's a good idea too.

[Theseus]

Good idea zeit... I sense that ND might like a 'poly friend as well, and in a way we (ie, many of the Strat guys) are the logical candidate.

[zeit]

I think we should start with ND and GoW. Perhaps we could ask GoW (although this would be somewhat blunt) how much did they already paid for the tech.

[zeit]

Okay, we gotta start discussing actual terms for Luxury, Iron and WM trades.

I think maybe accounting any gold from GoW towards the Chivalry deal could work better than asking them to actually pay us, as I'm positive they are hoarding as much gold as possible...

They have Wines that we want, and their WM now has some of Lego's coast- do we want a Map for Map trade.

And how much we want for the Iron? and If there is war on Bob?

We should also think about timing the map and Luxs trade with RP, and perhaps ND as well...

[Aeson]

I think Furs for Wines straight up.

Map for Map is good too, but we should definitely see if RP, Lego, and ND are willing to pay for our maps concurrently. We could probably get about 100g worth for our map between the four of them. (GoW's map being worth roughly 1/4 of that)

For Incense, a gpt payment of ~5 should be right. Works best if in conjunction with the Iron payment though. We should be able to get Chivalry and a bit of gold out of the trade, but just Chivalry would be fine with me.

[Shiber]

What would be the best way to approach the map issue?
Selling our own map to every civ at the exact same turn, or selling our map to Lego and trading maps with GoW first while securing a better map deal (because our map will be worth more once we have Lego's coast charted) with all the Bobians for the following turn?
The latter is risky, but it can benefit us greatly.

[Aeson]

I'd think just asking each civ to make an offer, and be up front that we are selling the map to everyone. "It's time for the world to see Stormia"...

Probably GoW ends up selling/giving our map to everyone else though. It's not a big deal, as our Map becomes almost worthless in 10 turns (thats when RP's galley will get to Hurricane). Hopefully we get a bit of gold from each team, and at the least we get a better map.