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**zeit** · May 2, 2003, 15:54

Posted by DeepO:

I like it, Zeit. You're very right we need to get some communication with them going... I said what I had to say on the public forum, what I'm concerned we can close this chapter, and try to move on. I hope I did not make your diplo job any more difficult, but you can feel the other teams (at least Lego) longing for more information... we can't alienate all of them.

Actually, your post came right in time- with a direct honesty i think was just right given the somewhat "slow" phase of trash talking, when Vox and us both understand there is alot at stake here, and the rest of the teams also realize the world is going to change pretty soon, with a war impending on Bob.
The tension is rising, and i'm sure everyone feels that, a direct and honest post, that "looks everyone in the eyes" serves our purpose at this point, and in fact i'm glad you said what you said.

Keep the comments on our post to GoW.

**Shiber** · May 2, 2003, 16:18

I agree. The last few posts in the Vox thread have IMHO cleared any doubts that anyone might seriously have about the genuinity of this war, strengthened our honesty character, blew the "secretive GS" stigma away and made us look more down-to-earth. Well done everyone

**FrustratedPoet** · May 2, 2003, 16:22

I can't believe that people really though that it was fake war between us and Vox. How sad do they think we are that we would go to the trouble to make that stuff up? Do they think we're liars?

**asleepathewheel** · May 2, 2003, 16:28

Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
I can't believe that people really though that it was fake war between us and Vox. How sad do they think we are that we would go to the trouble to make that stuff up? Do they think we're liars?

Well, the guy who posted that question, badams52, isn't even on one of the teams. As far as what rendelnep said, I think they just want some idea of whats going on, what's taking these turns so long to finish. A very fine line, to post updates, but not come off as arrogant. Perhaps we could have trip post a news letter (after we have edited

) to try to avoid that.

**DeepO** · May 2, 2003, 16:45

badams52 doesn't even have Civ3 yet, I thought, but he is active on the strat forum, and I can only imagine that he doesn't hold the same kind of grudge against us as some of the other people. Which is why it was perfect to comment to him...

Rendelnep's comment can be understood: I had quite an open communication with Lego going, and suddenly it stopped. I can imagine at least some of them feeling awkward about this, and if something doesn't feel right, it is automatically suspect.

But what moved me most were the comments by GoW members. First of all GF posting they don't hold grudges against us, and essentially saying we acted in full honor, which they understood. At first, it seemed they were expecting Vox to have conquered half our territory now, don't forget they saw at least part of their troops coming towards us, and we haven't lost anything.

Then the comment of CalcII, being very surprised we didn't create an army with Ramses. It's the same kind of surprise we had to fight when they asked us why we didn't want Feudalism fast, to keep the immortals at bay, and us trying to say we didn't exaclty thought we were at too serious risk.

I can only see a couple of reasons for this, they can't think anymore we're weak compared to them (and our rise in power was impressive, it only took a couple turns to pass them), but they can think Vox is still on the winning hand (well they might still win some skirmishes, although it is not likely anymore that we will lose big). Further, I strongly think that Vox and GoW were into this, at least to a certain extent. Vox could very well have been feeding them too optimistical information.

So, for those reasons, it was needed, IMHO, to do something about it, and post some information on what has been going on. Sure, GoW wouldn't like it that we snatched Sun Tzu before them, but I don't think they will be very eager to invade us again, at least not with an invasion in which they land their troops inside our territory (from behind D-ville, a lot is still possible). I hope I was also not too cocky, and I tried to be vague enough as to how many units we exactly have, or have destroyed. We should keep this information secret for as long as possible, it would be very easy to boast that last time we had the chance, we destroyed 8 units in one turn, with only one casuality on our side, they will certainly fear us. But better to keep that in the air, and only make them think that Vox is not giving them accurate information.

If they have good diplo contacts with Vox (and we have all reasons to assume that), I bet GF is now demanding to know a precise casualty report from Vox. They won't ask us, that's for sure, and they will be curious.

That said, I think we did enough in giving out information, and we should shut up for a while again. Plus, next turn could become very interesting, as Vox still is in a position to seriously damage us.

DeepO

**asleepathewheel** · May 2, 2003, 16:54

I think you guys did a great job on the other forum DeepO, its quite the tightrope that we have to walk over there and with other teams.

An army: they must think we are pretty desperate if we would blow that leader on an army when sun tzu is available. What do they want,a WC army with chivalry right around the corner

a slowmover army? a defensive army? The others must think we are quite desperate.

I'm just dying for a peak into the vox communiques and the discussion about how we were going to be whipped. I imagine that the others were expecting Vox to hit EoTS this turn, when they haven't really made a move on anything. We have been accused of being cocky and arrogant, but I daresay there were plenty of reports of our demise that were met with laughter and scorn in the others' fora. A shame to ruin their fun.

**nbarclay** · May 2, 2003, 17:07

i can see that our two nations do intend to wage a full war against one another

Um, shouldn't there be a "not" in there? Also, in case it's a point of English grammar you aren't aware of rather than just a repeated typo, the pronoun "I" is always supposed to be capitalized.

**DeepO** · May 2, 2003, 17:09

asleep, that was going to be my next comment, if Vox posted something silly again: "What, you mean to say you actually attacked us this turn, instead of walking past us?"

As said, it would be easy to simply say:
Vox Kills: 1 reg warrior (1 more disbanded), 2 vet pikes.
GS kills: 6 immortals and a 1 spear, plus 2 horsies in the same turn.
Units in danger of getting killed:
GS: a few pikes.
Vox: their complete invasion force.

Now who is weak as opposed to the other?

The problem with something like that is that it certainly is arrogant, and over the line.... it's nowhere near fun anymore. And if Vox could for instance capture SandStorm, even at great expense, they would have a ball with the PR on the forum.

DeepO

**asleepathewheel** · May 2, 2003, 17:35

Originally posted by DeepO
asleep, that was going to be my next comment, if Vox posted something silly again: "What, you mean to say you actually attacked us this turn, instead of walking past us?"

As said, it would be easy to simply say:
Vox Kills: 1 reg warrior (1 more disbanded), 2 vet pikes.
GS kills: 6 immortals and a 1 spear, plus 2 horsies in the same turn.
Units in danger of getting killed:
GS: a few pikes.
Vox: their complete invasion force.

Now who is weak as opposed to the other?

The problem with something like that is that it certainly is arrogant, and over the line.... it's nowhere near fun anymore. And if Vox could for instance capture SandStorm, even at great expense, they would have a ball with the PR on the forum.

DeepO

It would be great to post that, but it is too arrogant

/ Plus we don't want them to know that we haven't lost anything attacking them, do we?

**nbarclay** · May 2, 2003, 17:48

Well, we did lose one WC in our first attempt to trigger our GA and another against an immortal in the big fight. So it's not as if we haven't lost anything attacking them.

Of course we're the only ones in the whole world who know about our first WC's failure.

**DeepO** · May 2, 2003, 17:54

Yeah, which is good, we should keep our casualties to our own. That first WC was a ghost, nobody saw him... and the second fought twice and gave us a leader, so that was nice compensation

And I agree wholeheartedly that we can't post that, but it certainly wouldn't miss its effect

DeepO

**alva** · May 2, 2003, 17:55

They could have lost one or more immorals trying to kill Grog too

.

**FrustratedPoet** · May 2, 2003, 17:56

Is WC that put us in our GA is the same one that gave us the leader? If so, then

to that trooper!

**DeepO** · May 2, 2003, 17:57

Grog on Wheels, baby, Grog on Wheels. Nearly as important as the original Grog

DeepO

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