Rome 325BC - Directions for the Emperor Aquavian Lungarius

[Paddy]

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Hope to see you at The Three Weeds Tavern for a jug or two

[joncnunn]

The main thing I see is that all those builds of Granery's need switched to something useful. Either workers if not late to switch without wasting shields or Legions.

Granery's are not needed for producing citizens at all, most any city without fresh water that hits size 6 can be safely permently set to straight citizen production after the GA ends as long as no forest chops are occuring near it.

I wouldn't fight Macedon at the same time as either the Carthagans or Celts yet.

Burn Carthage to the ground, and then see if they will surrender all their remaining island cities for peace. If not, take one island city and check again, repeat as needed.

On the Celt front, we want to minimially cripple them.

I highly recomend Military Training on the tech front. If it finishes during your term check to see if Monarchy has been discovered.

This is unlikely, but if so buy it as cheaply as possible and proceed to the Republic.
Otherwise reserach Literature to give the AI 4 more turns to complete Monarchy.

Yes, find a suitable city for building the Heoric Epic.
This will give us armies of L2s, L3s, and a free FP.

Don't bother building any city improvement walls nor temples.
Start building the Temple of Artimes somewhere if not already underway.
We also should be building the Oracle somewhere, Colosus [productive costal city], and Mussium [high food surplus city with river].

Great Libary is useless. We can afford to miss the Great Lighthouse. The Bacrilla [sp?] would be really nice. Herridan's wall would be okay if not built in the British isles.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

I wouldnt start war with Macedon until you have peace with Carthage, and I would at least burn Carthage before that peace is reached!!

What are your intentions with the celts?? are you going to continue the war or just trim them for now ??

On research I would get legionary 3's asap and feel that aquaducts are a luxury build in this scenario that can wait. With the AP on it is possible to produce units at a goodly pace even with size 6 towns and it is the legions that will do the dirty work of growth for the empire in the early years

Your imediate aims now should be troops troops and more troops, let the emporers to come think about aquaducts and the like

The army should be filled now with Legionary 2's that will kick some serious ass and as Modo says if you build the Heroic Epic there will be other leaders down the line to put L3's and heavy cavs into

[Modo44]

Yes, it does depend on your strategy. I'm used to having just enough forces to do the job, which might be the reason I like those Walls fast.

One other thing comes to mind: dreadful fort cities with free Walls and Temples.

[Aqualung71]

True, Emperor Modo....though if your attack force is sufficient, it will soon be pushing further into enemy territory making counterattack against the recently conquered city unlikely. Also, if the conquered city is size 7 or more, the free Walls offered by Hadrian's are of no effect.

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Aqualung71
I cannot agree though with your advice on Hadrian's wall. Aqueducts and size 7 cities make Walls obsolete. In my opinion, the risk factor in waiting for cities to grow to size 7 is worth it, and the shields otherwise invested can be used for a more long-term Wonder (or other builds).

You missed a point here, methinks. Hadrian's Wall is there to help invasion. You take a city, it gets Walls, becoming very easy to defend. The idea is to have the instant defensive bonus.

[Aqualung71]

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[Aqualung71]

Thank you for your prompt response, Emperor Modo....one wishes the lesser Senators were as responsive. Clearly they are yet to understand the burdens of leadership

Your points are well made and well received. I can certainly see the benefit in the ToA, particularly since it does not expire. I suggest therefore we switch Temple builds over to other items, since the delay on the ToA (given Rome's high growth rate) will only be about 9 turns. Remember also Emperor, that border expansion is not so necessary when one's population remains limited by a lack of Aqueducts, a particular problem in the south of Rome where our forefathers placed our cities rather infortuitously!

Thanks for the repsonse on Literature. I am more convinced we should research something else, though I am torn between the military security offered by MT and the economic prosperity available through Construction. I must say, I am leaning towards Construction, and I am sure future Emperors will thank us warmly for delivering them the opportunity to manage a much larger empire!

I cannot agree though with your advice on Hadrian's wall. Aqueducts and size 7 cities make Walls obsolete. In my opinion, the risk factor in waiting for cities to grow to size 7 is worth it, and the shields otherwise invested can be used for a more long-term Wonder (or other builds).

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Aqualung71
Firstly, Persia has 100g they can give us for communications with the Celts. May as well take the money while we can. We need to keep Persia as a friend, as the Macedonians will soon be our target
Egypt and Macedonia will also pay for contact with the Celts.....this will net us some more sweet cash

Good point.

Originally posted by Aqualung71
Research: I have no idea why Emperor Modo has pursued Literature. Friend - how many turns have you spent on this? Is it a new job? I would recommend we immediately switch to Military Training, then move towards The Republic (for the FP) and then to Imperialism. On another issue - the southern cities are crying out for Aqueducts, but my advice above totally sidesteps the Construction tech - comments please!

Literature was my choice before realizing, that we can have a tech lead, becuse of our sole Golden Age. Tactics took exactly 5 turns, so it's all yours to change - no effort will be lost. Both Legions III and Aqueducts are badly needed. I'd research the technology that would be there faster.

Originally posted by Aqualung71
Wonders: I don't disagree with the Emperor Modo's choice of the Temple of Artemis and the Oracle, except that every other civ is also building them. Certainly, the Bacchanalia would be much better than the Oracle, but requires us to research Literature and Philosophy. Perhaps then, the current wonder builds may become pre-builds for Bacchanalia.

Hadrian's Wall would be a good one also. Just imagine every conquered city getting a Temple and Walls for free. I only started two wonders because of our Golden Age (others still didn't start). Otherwise it would be a waste of time to go for more than one.

Originally posted by Aqualung71 Build Queues: I don't propose to change much, though I'm unsure of why we are investing shields in Temples if we really believe we will snare the ToA. Legionaries, Workers and Citizens are my priorities, given that we do not yet have Literature or any other building-techs.

Temples would be there for cities to grow now, instead of later, without messing with lux slider settings too much (20% instead of 30% is a lot, especially in GA). ToA is more for those newly built small cities, so they can skip one building and have a free border expansion.

[Aqualung71]

Firstly, Persia has 100g they can give us for communications with the Celts. May as well take the money while we can. We need to keep Persia as a friend, as the Macedonians will soon be our target

Egypt and Macedonia will also pay for contact with the Celts.....this will net us some more sweet cash

Research: I have no idea why Emperor Modo has pursued Literature. Friend - how many turns have you spent on this? Is it a new job? I would recommend we immediately switch to Military Training, then move towards The Republic (for the FP) and then to Imperialism. On another issue - the southern cities are crying out for Aqueducts, but my advice above totally sidesteps the Construction tech - comments please!

Wonders: I don't disagree with the Emperor Modo's choice of the Temple of Artemis and the Oracle, except that every other civ is also building them. Certainly, the Bacchanalia would be much better than the Oracle, but requires us to research Literature and Philosophy. Perhaps then, the current wonder builds may become pre-builds for Bacchanalia.

Build Queues: I don't propose to change much, though I'm unsure of why we are investing shields in Temples if we really believe we will snare the ToA. Legionaries, Workers and Citizens are my priorities, given that we do not yet have Literature or any other building-techs.

Well that's enough for now Senators....please give your advice and your new Emperor shall impart his undoubted wisdom to decide on the best course for Rome

[EDIT: I am also preparing a poll for voting on these and some other issues....please watch out for it]

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by McMeadows
It all seems to a bit obvious at this point. The strategic decisions made at the start of the game have not yet all been fullfilled, so carry on the same line.

Oh, I can see your leanings, Senator McMeadows. You wish the Emperor Aquavian Lungarius to be a mere shadow of the great Emperor Modo!

I shall be no puppet leader. The Emperor Aquavian Lungarius will have his 15 minutes of fame. Senators, I call on you all for some fresh ideas!

[Addled Platypus]

I take it there will bw not hit and run raids once we establish Heavy Calvary?

Just quick ends to the means?

[McMeadows]

It all seems to a bit obvious at this point. The strategic decisions made at the start of the game have not yet all been fullfilled, so carry on the same line.

In the heel of Italy there's a plains tile available 66 (or 69) from Croton for a city. Otherwise I suspect the Greek will soon take the available tile on Italy in their territory next to it.

Research as proposed sounds well. Same for upgrading and reinforcing troops. Good luck taking Sicily and battling the Celts.

[Paddy]

ahhh your on track

[Aqualung71]

What about research? I'm in favour of heading straight for the Heavy Cavalry and Legionary III, which seems to be a no-brainer

Workers will definitely be on the agenda, as will citizens to fill the gaps to the north