xxxo xxxo xxxo ...

[Taian]

Does this work with techs you get from huts as well (or in negotiation with other civs)? And, if so, since that is basically an instant revolution in the middle of a turn, can it work with the SoL on the turns indicated as another way to circumvent that annoying senate not wanting to go to war but not losing a turn to anarchy?

[Smash]

No.You can't have an "instant" revolution if you get government tech from a hut.

Yes.If the next turn is O,and the senate says "no war",then anarchy-attack-next turn new government.It worked for perfectly for me in a game.

[cavebear]

I just discovered the GL thread and got lead to this one. Better late than never, I guess.

Just wanted to say how stunned I am that such a straightforward pattern was never noticed before and to extend my amazed congratulations to Oedo for 1) discovering it, and 2) sharing it.

I will most certainly keep this information close at hand for all future games!

[Ming]

***BUMP***

I was playing in a MP game the other night, and I had an embassy with my opponent. I noticed he went into revolt a few turns before a switch year. So obviously not everybody is aware of this yet, and I thought it was worth bumping!

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[East Street Trader]

Hhhmm. What am I doing wrong? I had my copy of rah's helpful chart close to hand, monarchy came in, seemingly right on time, with the screen showing BC1650, an "O" year in the Oedo xxxo callender so I took the offer to change government. But my turn promptly ended without any screen appearing to announce my coronation. And I then had 3 years of anarchy with no tax income and no research taking place.

I was tired and maybe misread the screen somehow - or is it that the coronation always takes place the next year? If so you need to accept/initiate the change of gov.t on the year before the Oedo year. But, from recollection, you can get crowned during the same year you accept (which I have assumed, since reading Oedo's breakthrough, happened when, by coincidence, my research has given me the new form of gov.t in an Oedo year?

Looks like I'll have to experiment a couple of times in cheat mode to get the sequence of events right.

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[DaveV]

EST - If you're running version 2.42, the date on the screen is not to be trusted. At the beginning of your turn (when you're asked to change to a new government) it will show the date from your last turn. This appears to be fixed in MGE; I don't know about FW.

[East Street Trader]

DaveV.

Yes, I have 2.42 so that's what happened. Amyway I'll probably experiment a bit to be sure I get it off pat. The period in anarchy didn't gripe me when I thought it was random. Thanks to oedo's gem it did when I screwed up this time.

Mercantile.

Thanks. Your point about before or after moving units is well worth noting.

[Mercantile]

EastSideTrader, if you discouver Monarchy in the turn of Oedo's rev, then yes you can switch right away, but otherwise, rev after you have moved all of your units the turn before, hit done , and poof instant rev no disorder or lost science. This works for me everytime because when i first started doing it, i thought i could rev on the turn AFTER i moved my units, but this doesnt' work and then you wait three turns with anarchy

[Blaupanzer]

According to what this is saying, the player moves last in an SP game? That is, that if you get offered the gov change in your own build segment of an Oedo year, take it as that's when it applies? I waited to the end of 1786 (Deity), then revolted -- instant change. Not clear on 2.42 year ID problem.

[Scouse Gits]

In v2.42 the year indicator on the right hand panel of the screen does not change to the current year until it is your turn to move. Thus the build queue events such as Wonder creation, temple creation and, critically, technical advances occur whilst the date indicator is one turn in ******. Thus, if you discover Monarchy whilst the date indicates 2100 BC take the offered Revolution because you are actually in 2050 BC (an 'O' for oedo) year.

I had assumed that it worked the same in MP!!! Fortunately I have not had to change governments in any of the Succession games thus far - else I would have had much egg on my face!! Thanks for that tip guys.



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[East Street Trader]

To be a king in such a year - now what would I not cheerfully give for such a thing!

[East Street Trader]

So an additional point must be, I suppose, that if you get, say, republic, from a trade route bonus that would happen during your turn and the 2.42 indicator would be accurate?

[East Street Trader]

No, happened to me over the week-end.

Once the caravan fills the beaker box you then wait til the next build queue events stage before the advance registers. So you have to beware the 2.42 date in the same way as with advances completed by cities.

What I am not now sure about is the case of an advance gained by negotiation or theft during the turn phase of the game? Methinks an immediate acceptance of the offer to change gov.t may occur during the turn. If so it pays to keep a note of the date when going into negotiation because the date is not displayed by the negotiation screen.

[Ming]

Even though the date isn't shown on the negotiations screen, or when it asks if you want to change governments... Just minimize it, or move it out of the way so you see the date

[Mercantile]

LOL Ming, it took me two months to figure out how to do that, i was continually watching the clock before i would discover Monarchy as i could never see the damm date and then i would revolt after i said no and wait three turns I managed to figure it out eventually. Thanks to evolution of course.