PH and Giancarlo bannings discussion...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
I DONT CARE, THE MODS DONT CARE. ITS A FORBIDDEN TRUTH, YOU CANNOT SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT GIANNY, OR HEADS WILL (metaphorically) ROLL!!

That's bull****!
The mods should care, because THIS WILL KEEP HAPPENING OVER AND OVER.

He finds it offensive, I find it offensive he finds it offensive. Big deal.

He just talked about mass murder of a minority and got off with a slap on the wrist, maybe I should start ranting about how all Mexicans should be shot with live ammo? How many weeks would I get for that?

[red_jon]

IW : PH left?

Why should calling someone gay be an insult? Would posters get banned if they called me blond? Or tall?

[Lars-E]

BTW, why was civnation permanently banned?

[red_jon]

Asher's right, someone would be baned for ages if they said 'black people should be fired upon'. Giannis punishment was too light.

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by Asher
That's bull****!
The mods should care, because THIS WILL KEEP HAPPENING OVER AND OVER.

but it does already, and PH got banned for it.

He finds it offensive, I find it offensive he finds it offensive. Big deal.

and the mods accept that he finds it offensive, and banned PH.

He just talked about mass murder of a minority and got off with a slap on the wrist, maybe I should start ranting about how all Mexicans should be shot with live ammo? How many weeks would I get for that?

It seems that that question can only be answered with another question:
How similar to reality is it?

red_jon, PH left. See the thread in the Apolyton forum.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
It seems that that question can only be answered with another question:
How similar to reality is it?

Well, there are theories Hitler may have done what he did because he was a repressed homosexual.

You'd be surprised.

[lightblue]

Originally posted by Asher
It's sad that society calls homosexuality "bad" and views anyone being called a homosexual an "attack".

Whatever, I think that's far more offensive than people think. Put yourself into someone else's shoes, how would you like it if you were a minority on the forum and people were being banned for saying someone else was that said minority?

It's retarded.

I agree, but you say it to attack him. If he lives in denial, let him wallow there, don't rub his face into it everytime he makes some bonehead remark.
I admittedly don't know all of the history (though I have picked up a bit in my last 3 months here, and i know some people on this board have extra reason to dislike him), but Giancarlo doesn't seem the reasoning sort, so don't try to reason with him.

[Asher]

I don't say it to attack him, I only bring it up when the issue is already there.

He finds it offensive to be called gay. Whatever. I don't think PH should have rubbed it in like he did...

But Giancarlo has always been EXTREMELY offensive to the gay population here, and he keeps coming back and it happens over and over.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Lars-E
BTW, why was civnation permanently banned?

He was just a little bit too civnation.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by red_jon
IW : PH left?

Why should calling someone gay be an insult? Would posters get banned if they called me blond? Or tall?

You are tall, you bonehead.

[Saint Marcus]

Since even this thread has resulted in a US vs EU debate (and it isn't even my doing!) I just have to step in. (ahem )

Despite me being labeled as an anti-American bigot and a close minded European nationalist (if there is such a creature), I have absolutely no objection against having (only) American mods. If a mod is qualified to do his job or not shouldn't and doesn't depend on his nationality, not even if they are "ignorant and stupid yanks".

And I do agree with some of the posters here that PH's ban is way to harsh compared to giani's ban, though I fully understand our mod's reasoning. It wasn't the particular comment he made, or his taunting of giani on this specific occasion. I, among others, have done is so many times before without getting banned, and it seems that this time it was just one time too many for our mods, and the person who made the comments got banned.

The real question is, and this only the admins can answer, is making a joking comment about someone's sexual preferences a bannable offense? Only the owners of the site and forums can answer this one, and here, perhaps, we do see a cultural conflict between the USA and Europe. Here it is extremely common to joke about one's (or your own) sexual preferences. In the US people immediatly get offended, or think you are serious (when joking about yourself). It's a very touchy subject in a more conservative country like the USA.

So as I said, the only solution is an answer from the admins. And since one is european I doubt the britons here will complain much about it.

Just my 2 eurocents worth.

Giancarlo is in his own little category of stupidity

Our mod is most wise indeed

[Chris 62]

Brit mods, for what it's worth...

You guys hit on exactly why a Brit mod is a bad idea, mainly because most of you brits can't tell what is offensive and what isn't.

This isn't a "pub", it's a world wide message board, and what you find inoffensive is irrelivant, it must be tailored to all.

So far, in over a year here, and Spinky knows this, I have seen young brit posters have no problem with:

Rape
Murder
Suicide
Women being trampled on sexually

And that is just the last few months, and all in the name of "fun".

I hear stupid sh1t like "if you don't like it, don't read it", even though it breaks the rules here and always gets blitzed, most of you guys are just to irresoncible to handle what is right and what is wrong.

Quite frankly, most of the younger Brit posters (not all) lack both Class and tact, and thus, are totally unsuitable to moderate.

I normally care not about who moderates, but your incessent whining for a Brit mod brings this out.

Untill you show more tact and maturity, you will never moderate this board, and ranting about who was banned isn't going to change it.

Provost is a perfect example, well educated, well liked, mid 20s, always pushing for moderation staus here, yet engaged in gay baiting a poster, even though he was aware that that the powers that be had enough of Giancarlo trolling. That isn't the way to moderate, that is just looking for a fight.

Rules exisit for a reason, constantly railing when someone gets a ban (deserved, in this case) because you don't agree with it is your right, but does nothing to promote the idea that one of you kids should moderate.

This place doesn't need a moderator who thinks telling someone to choke on seamen is ok, if it's done in context of "jokes".
Because you fail to see that, proves my point exactly.

I'm sorry, but that is the plain truth.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by SlowwHand



You are tall, you bonehead.

And Giancarlo is...

Uhh...never mind.

[red_jon]

Chris 62 - there are cultural differences between the UK and US, so we need someone who can represent us as well. Some of the things you Americans say and do is offenseive to us.

Your post is quite offensive, I was about to make this post far angrier.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by red_jon
Chris 62 - there are cultural differences between the UK and US, so we need someone who can represent us as well. Some of the things you Americans say and do is offenseive to us.

You know as well as i, the Yanks rarely troll, that comes from the other side of the pond.

Your post is quite offensive, I was about to make this post far angrier.

I don't pull punches, or ever try to be politically correct.
The one thing you will always get from me is what I really think, not Bull sh1t hidden in flowery phrases, or attempts to be charming.

On this board, the only Brit posters who I would think could moderate East Street Trader and *end is forever*, and that is it.

Doesn't mean I don't like the Brits (I am half a one, after all), but do you honestly believe someone like Spink could be fair an objective, when he spends half his time trying to break the rules "to see what he can get away with" attitude?

Be honest, do you think the way Provost behaved is correct, Giancarlo notwithstanding?

I'm completely aware that the boy is an imbecile, so I simply ignore him, others delight in his rants and bait him.
Not the way to do things.

Edit:Added Ian, as promised!