Official DoSE Poll: Social Engineering scheme

[Pandemoniak]

Not that easily, GT, re-read my post with the stats for this.

[GeneralTacticus]

Nope, stick w/Planned and Demo.

FM is too risky...we may get more drone's than we can deal with. Planned will also boost our growth, which I think we need.

Going by the screenshots, only 2 bases will be in danger of riots if we recall the scouts before switching, and they can be dealt with quite easily by Psych & specialists.

[Frankychan]

Nope, stick w/Planned and Demo.

FM is too risky...we may get more drone's than we can deal with. Planned will also boost our growth, which I think we need.

[Archaic]

Agreed GT. It only furthers our point.

Originally posted by AdamTG02
I voted no. Switching SE's that quickly is expensive. And I don't want Democracy to be something we as UN Peacekeepers do when convenient -- especially when other factions could compare us unfavorably with the Morganites for doing so.

I gave an RP explanation for this in the SE Debate thread. A temp. suspension of elections and the parliment while the bureaucracy is restructured to allow the citizens in the new colonies proper representation in the Peacekeeper Government.

[GeneralTacticus]

Your calcs are flawed, but by nowhere near the level Unskilled Labourer Pan's assumptions are.


For our game settings...

X = 2 * BASES / (6.4 * [4 + EFFIC])
B-Drones = X for all values of X>=1


At 20 bases with our current settings

2 * 20 / (6.4 * [4 + -1])
40 / 6.4 * 3
40 / 19.2
2.083_ B-Drones

For B-Drones to be 0 with our current settings, or with Demo/Planned, we need no more than 9 bases.
9 Bases = 18 / 19.2 = 0.9375 = 0 B-Drones
10 Bases = 20 / 19.2 = 1.046_ B-Drone

For B-Drones to be 0 with only Planned, we can have no more than 3 bases.
3 Bases = 6 / 6.4 = 0.9375 = 0 B-Drones
4 Bases = 8 / 6.4 = 1.25 B-Drones

For B-Drones to be 0 with Free Market / Planned, we can have no more than 15 bases.
15 Bases = 30 / 32 = 0.9375 = 0 B-Drones
16 Bases = 32 / 32 = 1 B-Drone

I stand corrected. That doesn't hurt my point any.

[AdamTG02]

I voted no. Switching SE's that quickly is expensive. And I don't want Democracy to be something we as UN Peacekeepers do when convenient -- especially when other factions could compare us unfavorably with the Morganites for doing so.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Maniac
Yeah! No SE quickies, you cheaters!

Since when is it a quickie? For Demo, we switch, stay out of Demo for that turn and the next, then switch back to Demo. For Planned, we switch into it for one year, then switch back the next year. In both situations, we have to live with the consequences of our short changeover.

[Method]

Originally posted by TKG
MWIA: i suggest you hold a poll re: wealth now. we might get the tech for it in the next chat.

[Maniac]

Yeah! No SE quickies, you cheaters!

[moomin]

If in-turn SE changes for diplomatic reasons (which can simply be explained as flattery or bribing) are frowned upon as cheating, this whole scheme just reeks of massive powergaming breakage.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
If we go Planned w/o Demo, we will. At our current EFFIC level, we will hit the first limit at 20 bases.

Your calcs are flawed, but by nowhere near the level Unskilled Labourer Pan's assumptions are.


For our game settings...

X = 2 * BASES / (6.4 * [4 + EFFIC])
B-Drones = X for all values of X>=1


At 20 bases with our current settings

2 * 20 / (6.4 * [4 + -1])
40 / 6.4 * 3
40 / 19.2
2.083_ B-Drones

For B-Drones to be 0 with our current settings, or with Demo/Planned, we need no more than 9 bases.
9 Bases = 18 / 19.2 = 0.9375 = 0 B-Drones
10 Bases = 20 / 19.2 = 1.046_ B-Drone

For B-Drones to be 0 with only Planned, we can have no more than 3 bases.
3 Bases = 6 / 6.4 = 0.9375 = 0 B-Drones
4 Bases = 8 / 6.4 = 1.25 B-Drones

For B-Drones to be 0 with Free Market / Planned, we can have no more than 15 bases.
15 Bases = 30 / 32 = 0.9375 = 0 B-Drones
16 Bases = 32 / 32 = 1 B-Drone


Oh, and DBTS, I addressed the roleplay issue of it in the SE Debate thread.

[Pandemoniak]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
If we go Planned w/o Demo, we will. At our current EFFIC level, we will hit the first limit at 20 bases.

Hey, come on dont be silly. We're no punks, we wont do planned without Demo. By the way, its Planned+Demo that has been voted.

[Mr. President]

First option. Money, money, money!

[GeneralTacticus]

If we go Planned w/o Demo, we will. At our current EFFIC level, we will hit the first limit at 20 bases.

[Pandemoniak]

We dont have enough bases for "b-drones"