Director of Social Engineering Campaign Thread

[Darkness' Edge]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Most 'real world' democracies don't tend to have electorates of only 60-something people...

Well said.

[Method]

[GeneralTacticus]

I mean, how do people think most Demo.'s in the world are run anyway? How many do you think would hold a census about every decision they make, hmmm?

Most 'real world' democracies don't tend to have electorates of only 60-something people...

[Darkness' Edge]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus


That's all well and good, but imagine how much damage an incompetent director could do in 1 term if they didn't have to poll people. This would be especially important in fields like SE or Research.

I have to agree with Tacticus. Directors should not be able to go off on their own whim - otherwise the people would just get bored. Participation is vital.

HOWEVER, at the pace we are moving at the moment, we're likely to finish the game somewhere around 2008.

It might be wise to give the directors a little more free reign. I don't agree with directors being able to go off on their own whims, but perhaps they should be allowed to make slightly more general polls, which would speed the game up a bit.

[GeneralTacticus]

Personally, I think the fact that the Directors have to poll the electorate is pathetically inefficient. (Far too much for even -1 efficiency) A director if elected should have the right to make any final decisions, though he should probably poll the electorate to see if they support the decision or not anyway. If people don't like how he acted during his term, they can vote in someone else later.

That's all well and good, but imagine how much damage an incompetent director could do in 1 term if they didn't have to poll people. This would be especially important in fields like SE or Research.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Pandemoniak
I repeat it : Base Punishment is an atrocity and it is torture.

And what about the implied threat of base punishment for tried and convicted criminals? It's like having an Electric Chair in the prison. The threat that we could use it is there, and so they'd be better behaved, just in case we decided to use it. Afterall, we must have built it for a reason, mustn't we?

Unskilled labourer Pan, you see things in only shades of black and white. There's more layers to these sort of things than there are with an onion. Just because the outside skin might be brown doesn't mean the inside is.

[Archaic]

Personally, I think the fact that the Directors have to poll the electorate is pathetically inefficient. (Far too much for even -1 efficiency) A director if elected should have the right to make any final decisions, though he should probably poll the electorate to see if they support the decision or not anyway. If people don't like how he acted during his term, they can vote in someone else later.

I mean, how do people think most Demo.'s in the world are run anyway? How many do you think would hold a census about every decision they make, hmmm?

[Kassiopeia]

Yes, he is more seriously devoted to it then the common citizen. He has an 'obligation', if you will. Not of law but of conscience. Of course, if citizens look after things as closely, it's great.

[GeneralTacticus]

Not only any directors can, any citizen can. So why does he put that in his campaign thread ?

Even if it's technically not his business, it still concerns him. In a similar way, I advocated keeping a standing offensive army last term.

[Pandemoniak]

Not only any directors can, any citizen can. So why does he put that in his campaign thread ?

[Kassiopeia]

Meh, the DoSE still can suggest and consult the DBP regarding the build queus. Any Director can. If the DoSE doesn't do it, then who looks after the drone numbers and starts to make sounds when drone riots are imminent?

[Pandemoniak]

Director of Social Engineering:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to change the social engineering’s page
*Advising any other part of the government

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Consulting for advice directors which are effected by changes made in the social engineering’s page
*Serving his faction the best he can

May NOT:
Change the social engineering settings if there hasn’t been a poll saying it is ok.

The Director of Social Engineering is responsible for the social engineering’s page

The consitution is very clear : it concerns only the social enginnering page. So the Psych Rate is controlled by the director of SE, but he has no business to do with base production and drone facilities, except if it is the good will of the DoBP.
I repeat it : Base Punishment is an atrocity and it is torture.

[Kassiopeia]

Err. SE deals with the matter of drones too, AFAIK, and recreational facilities like rec commons, and anti-drone facilities like PSs are part of that.

[Pandemoniak]

I agree with Lucky22. After all, Archaic will just start poll with the different SE choices we have, and he will post the results to the Alpha Talent or the Commissioner...

I dont understand the direct relation between the Punishment Sphere and the Social Engineering, though. Maybe Archaic considers torture a social engineering ?

[lucky22]

Thank goodness most decisions by this directorate will have to poll the citizenry.