Canada?

[Will9]

At Gamespot some people seem to have the idea that because Canada has a high GDP, hosted the Olympics Games, and Canadian troops fought under the British Army in some major battles, that Canada should be in Civ. I would like to give them some numbers to tell them that Canada is not worthy of being in civ. Here's the thread:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/civilizationivwarlords/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-29625329&pid=932340&page=0

[Nubclear]

Canada isn't America. Therefore, it doesn't deserve inclusion in anything.

[Diadem]

Wouldn't mind seeing Canada in there, but only if they are called Canucks

But not before the Dutch! We definitely deserve to be in there more than some nations which are already in it. And more than Canada also.

Our unique unit is easy. A naval unit to replace the frigate or galleon. Though naval units are a bit neglected in civ4, which is a shame. During the 16th century the Dutch built the best ships by far, so good in fact that even our enemies used 'em.

Unique building should be something like a windmill, to replace the aquaduct. Those buildings are definitely not alike, but they do serve the same purpose, and building aquaducts in The Netherlands is rather pointless, since it's all flat

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Diadem
Wouldn't mind seeing Canada in there, but only if they are called Canucks

But not before the Dutch! We definitely deserve to be in there more than some nations which are already in it. And more than Canada also.

Our unique unit is easy. A naval unit to replace the frigate or galleon. Though naval units are a bit neglected in civ4, which is a shame. During the 16th century the Dutch built the best ships by far, so good in fact that even our enemies used 'em.

Unique building should be something like a windmill, to replace the aquaduct. Those buildings are definitely not alike, but they do serve the same purpose, and building aquaducts in The Netherlands is rather pointless, since it's all flat

[Diadem]

In that thread on gamespot almost everybody seems to be arguing that Canada has no history whatsoever, has played no role in history whatsoever.

I've been thinking about this, and indeed, what has Canada ever done in the world? I know they helped in WO2, and their help in The Netherlands was actually pretty significant, but still. Just helping your friends is hardly the same as making history. They probably helped their friends in a few more wars, but that's still hardly making history.

I can't really name a single important historic incident that has Canada as one of the major players.

The really interesting thing is that they seem to be the only nation in the world that can say this. Every other nation I can think of has played important roles in major historic events.

Of course, major historic events are usually rather bloody wars. So not being in any major historic events is probably a very good thing. As Terry Prachett writes in one of his books: There is a curse. They say: "May you live in interesting times"

Canada never has interesting times. It just has peace, prosperity and happiness all the time. Very boring. Probably a good place to live though :P

[Will9]

Originally posted by Diadem
In that thread on gamespot almost everybody seems to be arguing that Canada has no history whatsoever, has played no role in history whatsoever.

Yet some idiots still argue for Canada. I myself haven't read the whole thing (as I reveal on page 15), because the arguements are stupid. There are many civs that should added before ,as you said the dutch, but also civs like the huns, gemania, portugul, Babylon, and Israel.

[Xorbon]

Canada has played a role in the world, and does have a history; it's just that its role has been minor, and its history is somewhat dull.

Canada shouldn't be put into the game, unless it's in a user-created mod or scenario. There are so many other more significant nations/civilizations that deserve to be in instead. I voted banana because it's a silly thing to even consider including Canada. Sorry if that messes up your poll.

I have also seen people advocating the inclusion of countries such as Australia, Brazil, Mexico, and Argentina, but those people are ones who'd like to have 50+ civs.

[Virdrago]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Canada isn't America. Therefore, it doesn't deserve inclusion in anything.

Strangely enough, we don't and never have wanted to be America.

Russia isn't America, and neither is China. So this is a pointless remark.

I'm proudly Canadian (obviously), but even I don't think we should be in Civ. Unless we're part of the 11th XP; then we'd be the 60th civ. If there are Canadians who want to be included in Civ, change the code. I just choose a civ, change my name, and pretend the French (or whomever) are Canadians for the game. There are more worthy cultures out there.

* Virdrago hunkers down and prepares to get blasted by a fellow Canadian *

[Bkeela]

Playing America in the ancient era seems stupid enough. Canada? What a joke!

[mrboo123]

Canada? No, it should not be a standalone civ. But if it where combined with the USA, to make the generalic "European/Immgrant America"? That would be pretty cool, and maybe give the America some more solid ground to be call a civ

[DirtyMartini]

Originally posted by Will9


Yet some idiots still argue for Canada. I myself haven't read the whole thing (as I reveal on page 15), because the arguements are stupid. There are many civs that should added before ,as you said the dutch, but also civs like the huns, gemania, portugul, Babylon, and Israel.

Who or what is gemania? Why don't it, portugul and huns get to be capitalized, but Babylon and Israel do?

Originally posted by Virdrago

Strangely enough, we don't and never have wanted to be America.

Come on, sure you do -- then you could have Will9 as your official spokesman

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by mrboo123
Canada? No, it should not be a standalone civ. But if it where combined with the USA, to make the generalic "European/Immgrant America"? That would be pretty cool

No, that would be really, really lame.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Virdrago


Strangely enough, we don't and never have wanted to be America.

Russia isn't America, and neither is China. So this is a pointless remark.

I'm proudly Canadian (obviously), but even I don't think we should be in Civ. Unless we're part of the 11th XP; then we'd be the 60th civ. If there are Canadians who want to be included in Civ, change the code. I just choose a civ, change my name, and pretend the French (or whomever) are Canadians for the game. There are more worthy cultures out there.

* Virdrago hunkers down and prepares to get blasted by a fellow Canadian *

It's Tass. He was just ****in' around.

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I like Canada well enough, and it does have a history and a role in the world... but I figure there are a good number of other nations/civs that should get in before our nice northern neighbors...

-Arrian

[Forwarn45]

Not yet in Civ IV, but in prior civs I sometimes renamed a stock civ Canada and named all my cities Canadian cities. A little weird, perhaps. But I still don't think Canada should be a stock civ.

[Forwarn45]

I was also sometimes the Californians. Dude. President Arnie maybe?