What's the point of the leadership promotion

[couerdelion]

Originally posted by Gibsie
Thank you for the patronisingly brilliant explanation of simply mathematics, but there clearly is no such rounding...

I think you meant "simple mathematics"

btw, How do you know that there is no rounding?

[couerdelion]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Until you hit the point where it's made up for.

Because the cost of promotions increase with level, it takes a long time for this to pay off. In the time it takes for the unit to get back to the level it would have been, it will have been weaker and therefore less effective in combat.

The question is whether or not the improved combat after 6-8 promotions outweights the weaker combat between 2-5 promotions. My guess is that it is not.

[Anakha]

Originally posted by MoonWolf
Maybe it's useful if you have a unit with lot of withdrawal promotions? That way your unit will probably survive even if it's loosing and you can afford to attacking even with 60-70% chance og winning only. I made a warloard submarine once. Unfortunately I don't the wihtdrawal chance could exceed 80%...

I don't quite understand your last sentence. You mean a sub with Tactics and Flanking I doesn't get 90% but just 80% withdrawal-possibility? That would seem odd...
A GG-cavalry with Flanking II and Tactics has a very nice 90% withdrawal-possibility, which allows you to throw it into rather risky battles. If it wins, and it also has Leadership, it can rise in XP quite quickly. The only drawback is that this GG-Cavalry often ends its turn with very low health (after a withdrawal), so then it takes quite a few turns for it to be usable again.

[Snotty]

I won my first barbarian fight with a warrior against an axeman. my guy got 10xp for that. If he had tactics the +50% would give him 15 xp for one fight.

[Nikolai]

But only warlords get the promotion and you'll seldom risk such a valuable unit for uncertain battles. Only times I've done that is when I do a mistake.

[Snotty]

How risky is that first barb attack? my guy survived impossible odds, i thought that was just a rumour

[Nikolai]

I've won with barely 20 % odds, but I seldom risk my units at those numbers, so I don't know for sure how common that is.

[Anakha]

I'd say it would happen about 20% of the time.

[Nikolai]

Yeah, that was my guess too. But judging from the "fact" that the higher percentages never seem to be right(but I know they are said to be)...

[joncnunn]

I would sugest that "Leadership" is most useful when your spreading the 20 XP grant among several units and not when the unit is hording them.

[Kuciwalker]

What? How does it have an effect then?

[Prussia]

Yeah, joncnuun, I thought it was the other way around...

[Nacht]

Originally posted by Snotty
How risky is that first barb attack? my guy survived impossible odds, i thought that was just a rumour

You get free wins against barbs at every level below monarch. (settler 5, chieftain 4, warlord 3, noble 2, prince 1).

So this could be a good stategy at the lower levels. However, why would you need any stategy at all on settler.

[Jaybe]

Nacht, I have always assumed that those free wins vs. barbs were ROUNDS of combat, throughout the game. You are claiming that they are the first combats, taking down whole barb units?
(iFreeWinsVsBarbs in HandicapInfo.xml)

[MoonWolf]

Originally posted by Anakha

Originally posted by MoonWolf
Unfortunately I don't the wihtdrawal chance could exceed 80%...

I don't quite understand your last sentence. You mean a sub with Tactics and Flanking I doesn't get 90% but just 80% withdrawal-possibility? That would seem odd...
A GG-cavalry with Flanking II and Tactics has a very nice 90% withdrawal-possibility, which allows you to throw it into rather risky battles. If it wins, and it also has Leadership, it can rise in XP quite quickly. The only drawback is that this GG-Cavalry often ends its turn with very low health (after a withdrawal), so then it takes quite a few turns for it to be usable again.

I forgot to add "think", so the sentence shoud be "Unfortunately I don't think the wihtdrawal chance could exceed 80%".

I might be wrong but I'm quite sure I couldn't add more promotions to my sub eventhough it should still have flank I & II available. Will look closer into that (think of a sub with 100% withdrawal chance )