Saladin? bad idea

[MarkG]

Originally posted by molly bloom
There was I thinking it was Macedonian.

it's the same

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Cvetin
I know yeall just trying to get Markos angry (not that it's much of a feat)

these guys will have to try really hard to get me angry

[Cvetin]

on a brighter note, Markos, how're the prices down there this summer? had plans to go to hanioti or pefkohori with Mrs. Cvetin, but i keep hearing opposing stories, some say that your prices this year are unheard of, but other say that halkidiki hotels are empty and that you can get a room basicly for free. what's the truth?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MarkG
it's the same

You can get past this with therapy you know....


Your earlier point:

200 years before Alexander, another Macedon king, Alexander I (Alexander was Alexander III) participated in the greek-only Olympic games. how would that be possible for a barbarian?

Is answered in part by:

" Although Macedon was considered a semi-barbaric state by some Greeks (especially those whose colonies near Macedonia were threatened by Macedonian expansion) Alexander I claimed descent from Argosian Greeks and Hercules."

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=U&start=4&q=http://www.answers.com/topic/alexander-i-of-macedon&e=9888

Notice: claimed descent .

And:

Unlike the Modern Olympic Games, only men who spoke Greek were allowed to participate in the Ancient Games. They were to some extent "international", though, in the sense that they included athletes from the various Greek city-states. Additionally, participants eventually came from Greek colonies as well, extending the range of the games to far shores of the Mediteranean and of the Black Sea.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/A/An/Ancient_Olympic_Games.htm

Notice: spoke Greek . Why even Egyptians and Iranians and Phoenicians could speak Greek.

Barbar humbug.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Cvetin
on a brighter note, Markos, how're the prices down there this summer? had plans to go to hanioti or pefkohori with Mrs. Cvetin, but i keep hearing opposing stories, some say that your prices this year are unheard of, but other say that halkidiki hotels are empty and that you can get a room basicly for free. what's the truth?

i think things are better than other years. check this out

http://www.gnto.gr/hotelsearch.php?langID=2

http://www.gnto.gr/hotelresults.php?name=&category_id=0&class=0&city=pefkohori&loctype=prefecture&prefecture_id=35&island_id=-1&pageSize=10&langID=2

[MarkG]

Originally posted by molly bloom
" Although Macedon was considered a semi-barbaric state by some Greeks (especially those whose colonies near Macedonia were threatened by Macedonian expansion) Alexander I claimed descent from Argosian Greeks and Hercules."

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=U&start=4&q=http://www.answers.com/topic/alexander-i-of-macedon&e=9888

Notice: claimed descent .

yes, the mythical first King of the Macedons was Hercules. do you think there was anyway to prove such a descent, so that Alexander I did not have to "claim" anything?

Beyond that, as implied by the text you quoted, calling a greek "barbarian" back then was a way to gain solidarity from other greek states in order to save your skin

Notice: spoke Greek . Why even Egyptians and Iranians and Phoenicians could speak Greek.

i dont think they were having language exams

from the first link you gave

permitted to participate in the Olympic Games, an honor reserved only for Greeks.

not "greek-speaking"....

[Cvetin]

evharisto Mark (hey, I'm actually Greek speaking!!! too bad I can't run, throw discus or wrestle :-)

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MarkG


from the first link you gave

permitted to participate in the Olympic Games, an honor reserved only for Greeks.

not "greek-speaking"....

Well given that the pompous Greek speakers thought of people who couldn't speak Greek as being non-Greek barbarians because of the noise their non-Greek language supposedly made to the ears of Greek speakers bar bar it's a redundant point.

I mean, I'm happy to admit that the Greeks made great strides in theoretical science and applied science (especially when they made contact with the advanced mathematics and astronomy of Egypt, the Achaemenid Empire and India) but I'm fairly confident neither Archimedes nor Heron of Alexandria had access to blood screening technology, genetic fingerprinting, retina scanning or stringent passport control.

Ergo- your Hellenitude was dependent on you dressing like a Greek, speaking like a Greek and acting like a Greek- even if you had a Lydian, Thracian or Cimmerian origin.

After all, how exactly were they going to tell how 'Greek' someone's ethnic origins or ancestry was, if they came from Magna Graecia, Cyprus, Hyrcania, Olbia or Massilia ?

[MarkG]

an "non-greek" alexander i coin...

http://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotviewer.php?LotID=92143&AucID=99&Lot=134

[Alexander I]

...and all this in the Saladin bad idea thread...

[molly bloom]

Yeah, I mean here's a really 'Greek' Parthian coin.


Boy those Iranians sure were Greek, weren't they ?

http://dougsmith.ancients.info/parthar.html

The currency in early twentieth century Oman was Maria Theresa dollars, specially struck in Austria.

There's no record of the Omanis ever being ruled by Austria, the Austro-hungarian Empire, or of being European, let alone Austrian.

http://www.newsbriefsoman.info/features/maria_theresa_thaler.htm

I smell desperation, MarkG.

[molly bloom]

More Greek coinage for non-Greeks.

http://dougsmith.ancients.info/feac58bak.html

[MarkG]

i dont understand

of the two coins you posted, the parthian coin doesnt have any greek on it and the indian coin shows the greek post-alexander influence of the area

[Kaak]

i'm sorry mark, i'm going to have to give you a weeks vacation for straying off topic. We are going to need you to go ahead and start a new thread in the OT if you would like to continue this discussion

[GeoModder]

Mod-bashing seems to be in lately? Is summer that hot nowadays?