Session Start: Tue Oct 28 20:41:46 2003 Session Ident: #apolyton [20:41] * Now talking in #apolyton [20:41] * Topic is 'Apolyton Chat: Join us in our idling heaven' [20:41] * Set by ACS_MarkG on Thu Aug 14 20:37:42 [20:50] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [20:50] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [21:00] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [21:00] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [21:10] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [21:10] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [21:12] * Solver has joined #apolyton [21:13] * Aidun has quit IRC (Quit: ) [21:20] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [21:20] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [21:22] * ACS_MarkG has joined #apolyton [21:22] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ACS_MarkG [21:22] hello markos [21:22] and thank you for everything you've done to achieve this [21:23] did you see my mail, Markos? (sent it just a minute secs ago) [21:23] and yes, good stuff :b: [21:24] * ari doesn't know what the hell is going on but follows the herd and thanks Markos anyway [21:24] Asked for something ugly, Loc ;)? [21:24] ari - shame on you [21:24] no yet loc [21:25] * maq has joined #apolyton [21:25] just a minor nitpick or two, solv [21:25] ari: check the ctp forums/news [21:25] evening [21:25] hey maq [21:25] Loc - already stuff with compilation [21:25] custom debug steps :( [21:25] hi maq [21:25] Ooh, this sounds like something I might like [21:25] CivCTP_dbg.exe - 1 error(s), 0 warning(s) [21:25] The following environment variables were not found [21:25] $(CDKDIR) [21:25] thought you did... [21:25] oh well, there we go... [21:25] wow, sounds promosing, solv. [21:26] true! [21:26] still moving threads myself, no time for fun and games yet :( [21:26] Performing Custom Build Step on .\ctpdb.y [21:26] wtf are .y files and why are they built? [21:26] it has code, but aint recognized as a code file [21:26] oh well, fun has started [21:26] loc one thing you might like [21:27] it builds to civctp.exe not ctp2.exe :) [21:27] the ctp source is out? [21:27] SprudL yes [21:27] nice [21:27] well, it wsa built on the ctp1 framework, and renaming only takes 2 secs... [21:28] so they finally came through [21:29] loc not on framework, they took the ctp1 source and were modifying it [21:29] am i missing someone from the thanks? http://apolyton.net/ctp2/ [21:29] (not talking about apolytoners :)) [21:29] st_swithin who contacted Mr Ogre for us [21:30] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [21:30] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [21:30] Wow, a dream come "ture" :p [21:30] And Pyaray maybe, he was encouraging us on the forums, etc [21:30] I think they deserve a mention too [21:30] * visu has joined #apolyton [21:30] * visu has left #apolyton [21:31] no, I think Joe and Doug were the most important people. [21:32] They were, but does this mean that the rest don't deserve a mention? [21:33] ok, managed to succesfully build some libraries [21:33] i dont think ill be doing my actual work tomorrow ;) [21:34] lol [21:34] well, we could credit The Big Mc then as well, for emailing Activision all the time and I could think of a lot of other people, but Joe and Doug were the most important ones. [21:35] markos said not including apolytoners [21:37] though if Markos wants to fix stuff, there's a typo in the thanks: whome should be whom ;) [21:37] aha :) [21:40] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [21:40] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [21:40] Loc - my congratulations go beforehand to whomever will be the first to compile ;) [21:41] well, not me, that's for sure. I'm already almost 2 hours behind on you guys... [21:42] behind? not really. we haven't done anything [21:42] i have only built some library, some helper utility apparently, and investigated the source tree file structure [21:42] http://apolyton.net/ctp2/ [21:43] source code eh? [21:43] markos - imho, great looking [21:43] im curious whether major gaming sites like gamespot will have a story [21:43] redstar, yeah, source ;) [21:44] i'm having a guess they haven't included the visual studio.net project file?;) [21:44] they have [21:44] not .net though [21:44] oooo [21:44] studio 6 [21:44] vc 6? [21:44] ah yeah [21:44] .net wasn't around when the game was built, iirc [21:45] but thats little difference. although i guess .net is a bit more convenient [21:45] yeah i know, was kidding slightly [21:45] might have a play about with it [21:45] dont play, better join the official effort of ctp community :) [21:45] solver, i'm currently submiting a story to slashdot :) [21:45] be interested in the iso engine [21:46] you know, we need all the help we can get... [21:46] to build on it? [21:46] great stuff, markos [21:46] redstar, drop by the forum and see our plans [21:46] will do, after the football;) [21:46] Markos: looks good, but I see you still didn't read my email yet ;) [21:46] too bad I don't have visual studio [21:47] Markos: mind if I submit it to some other sites, like in Russia? [21:47] well you can always use some free compiler... [21:48] heck, I think I might submit this to some Dutch sites as well, once I'm done with all my other chores... [21:48] I wonder if it would work with gcc ;) [21:48] i'd submit to Latvian as well, but there are none... [21:48] Sprudl, that's what I'm hoping too :) [21:49] as seen, i am even today abandoning quite some other work [21:49] gcc... well it would compile i guess, but after quite some rearranging of it all [21:49] hehe... it would be nice [21:49] ok markos, i assume i may submit the story [21:50] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [21:50] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [21:50] give me a hand, should i submit the whole story, or just the link to poly page? [21:52] * CyborgPlumber has joined #Apolyton [21:52] Ahoy [21:53] matey [21:55] funny license that comes with the source [21:55] funny? [21:56] will you look at that: the forum is just 2 hours old and already surpassed at least 20 other forums in # of posts :D [21:56] yeah, i love that [21:56] I call that a good day's work :) [21:56] extremely active :) [21:56] or a good day's spam ;) [21:56] well, I am, at moving threads ;) [21:57] * visu has joined #apolyton [21:57] * visu has left #apolyton [21:57] * centrifuge has joined #Apolyton [21:57] now I should finally have time to actually look at the code... [21:58] yes solver feel free to contact any russian sites... [21:58] * centrifuge has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [21:58] well you wouldnt understand what they're writing about poly anyway :p [21:58] ah, good, Markos, I see you read my email :) [21:58] can we expect an entry on imarton? [21:59] must have been important wouter :) [21:59] * Zephyr has joined #Apolyton [21:59] yup, the name of the just changed. something that will no doubt please IW as well ;) [21:59] name of the forum, that is [21:59] yeah, and myself too [21:59] yay, muchos happiness [21:59] i wanted to post about that, but i decided that would be lame [22:00] so i left the lamer role to IW :) [22:00] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [22:00] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [22:00] thanks [22:00] yeah it's lame. but not to worry, I had gotten about half a dozen complaints already, so you're in good company :) [22:00] company that includes yours truly, btw :) [22:01] Yes it worx! [22:01] oh thats good :) [22:01] Yes it kept saying CPU not suported so i hada look up the help thingy, very Informative [22:01] Well hello im new here :) [22:02] hello then CyborgPlumber [22:02] I havent played AC in a long time [22:02] i just picked up the CD bc i got bored... [22:03] I Live in San DIego and theres a HUge fire storm going on so im Confined to my house and there wasnt anything to do... [22:03] playing civ during a firestorm [22:03] must be a new record of addiction ;) [22:03] heh well its past my house it WAS 40-50 feet away [22:04] hmm, it seems it was DanQ all along who fixed the typos. that bastard always sneaks up to you when you least expect it ;) [22:05] Now i have to clean pool filter... Must be effiecent ya knwo being a borgn and all.. Ill be back later afk [22:05] borg* [22:05] so, anyone got the code running yet? [22:06] running as in? [22:06] as in compiled to an exe without errors and then executing it... [22:06] no no... [22:06] there are some env variables referenced that don't exist [22:07] and there are those weird .y files in ui/ldl folder [22:07] no? but you've had the source for hours now [22:07] that use some custom build steps compiler won't recognize [22:07] just 2 hours [22:07] * Fred has joined #Apolyton [22:07] besides, i didn't try really hard yet ;) [22:07] i'll work on that tomorrow more. today was just making myself a bit familiar with how it's organized [22:08] hmm, that's annoying. let's hope we can get past that fairly quickly. Be sure to post about that on the forums, maybe the Actigrammars can help out... [22:08] Old ctp2 fan- [22:08] loc there's a good chance we'll get over it soon [22:08] i hope ;) [22:09] well, in that case, welcome back, Fred [22:09] true, welcome back [22:10] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [22:10] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [22:10] Thanks been playing the mods great work Diplomod 3.6 is the best so far [22:10] For diploancy that is [22:11] yeah, that's pretty good. but hopefully now that we have the source code, it could become even better :) [22:12] of course! [22:15] Solver: is it possible those .y files contain yacc stuff? [22:15] what's that :)? [22:15] They contain c-like code, but surrounded with % signs, for instance [22:16] don't know if it exists on windows but I've heard about it on linux ... yacc generates code [22:16] let me see if I can find a manual [22:16] hardly... they contain normal code [22:17] yacc = yet another compiler compiler. used for creating your own compiler. might have been used for SLIC.... [22:17] http://dinosaur.compilertools.net/#yacc [22:17] nah, it's in the UI section [22:18] sounds unlikely then, though I'd have to see it myself. shame on you for not knowing yacc, Solv ;) [22:18] shut up, loc :p [22:18] The ai seems good now but things like ai civs with same goverments becoming allies would be great [22:18] i must say, that i have so far totally failed to understand many small code files [22:18] the bigger ones make sense though [22:18] I'm guessing it's yacc :) [22:19] loc, was what LDL in ctp ui? [22:20] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [22:20] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [22:20] LDL, just the extention of the UI files. not sure what it stands for. [22:21] i'm reading through the licence agreement now. seems it was custom-designed for us, not just your standard disclaimer. Looks like Activision went through a lot of effort for us :b: [22:21] of course it was designed for us [22:21] after all, the case is very special [22:23] well, this is not the first time a code is made public. and there are plenty of standard licenses out there to copy-paste -- they don't seem to have done that [22:23] true also [22:26] * Peter_T has joined #Apolyton [22:27] hi Peter [22:28] Hi. Is everybody in the same room? [22:28] hey peter... [22:28] yeah, it would seem so [22:28] whoah [22:28] Hi Peter [22:28] martin has already done amazing work [22:28] apparently made the first bugfix [22:28] though Maq and I are in #lemuria as well, but it's rather quiet there ;) [22:28] or at least thinks he does [22:28] * ACS_MarkG changes topic to 'Apolyton Chat: CTP2 Source Code Release Party!' [22:29] cant stand this though [22:29] im crashing [22:29] I noticed. Some of the AI stuff actually almost makes sense. [22:29] oh, and I created a new channel: #ctp2source -- we could use that if this one is unavailable in the future [22:29] good night Wouter, Markos, Fred, Maq, Sprud, everyone else [22:29] goodnight Solver [22:30] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [22:30] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [22:30] bye, Solver. CU tomorrow [22:30] * Solver has left #apolyton [22:30] Bye, Solver [22:30] hi peter [22:30] hi, maq [22:32] I'm planning on sending an e-mail to someone at Activision to say thanks. [22:33] I think thanking them in the forum would be enough -- their network woul overload if we started handing out their address :) [22:33] Not only did they give us the source for free, it must have actually cost them to do it [22:33] * iskallin has joined #Apolyton [22:33] yeah, i remarked that earlier as well. [22:33] hoorey [22:34] hi [22:34] hi iskallin [22:34] be back in a sec. I need some coffee [22:34] hi maq [22:34] and it seems like we suddenly have C++ programmers popping up all over the place :b: Let's hope they wil actually stay and help out though... [22:35] how many so far? [22:35] we need a non-coding thread for spammy comments like "hehe, 'm.int' :lol:" [22:35] didn't count, but must be at least half a dozen new guys... [22:35] well, we have a whole forum :) [22:36] 2Great! [22:36] I noticed the forum [22:36] this seems like a good excuse to brush up my C++ skills ;) [22:36] 2This is a good excuse to learn c++ [22:37] true on both accounts :) [22:37] I did... a long time ago :) [22:37] 2I should have... a long time ago:) [22:37] hehe [22:38] it's never too late [22:38] :) [22:39] Just started learning C++ have long way to go [22:39] indeed, you're never too old to learn :) [22:39] 2Yeah considering that i'm fourteen then i have about 60 years to learn it [22:39] or too young, for that matter ;) [22:39] LOL [22:40] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [22:40] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [22:40] C++ is great as a first programming language :> [22:41] 2How old were you guy's when you learnd it [22:41] is that a joke sprud? [22:41] yes, well, if once you've mastered that, at least things can't get much tougher ;) [22:41] joke what? [22:41] programming? I think 8 or so. but that was GWBasic, C++ is not quite on the same level :) [22:42] * ari swears in the name of LISP, even though he couldn't even implement hello world in it anymore [22:42] Or was it swear by...? [22:42] hehe.. I remember poking at example source code on my Commodore 64... age 8 or 9 [22:43] i started with QBASIC age 10, then SLIC aged 16. then I gave up [22:43] okay, so it CAN get tougher, but who needs LISP anyway? *famous last words* [22:43] 2I'm sure someone could name quite a few [22:43] LISP... I know that language... from the Python newsgroup... lots Python vs LISP threads [22:45] Dan missed the CTP-SuperLeague forum [22:45] I think I've still got the LISP 1.5 manual around, from back in the 60's [22:46] Never did anything with it though [22:46] zeph, that's because I didn't mention that one in my email... :o not that it matters, it doesn't show on the front page... [22:46] Peter: Great work on CtC i got toasted on medium :D [22:46] Thanks. [22:47] it's in the forum jump dropdown though :( [22:47] Nay thakes go to you [22:47] Bah heathens! [22:47] But the source opens up all sorts of new possibilities [22:48] oh, I never use that one. I know the forumID by heart anyway... well, you're gonna have to mail Dan about that one yourself. I used up all my favours for this week ;) [22:48] Gotta figure out how templates work. They seem to be used quite alot [22:49] did someone look at the bin folder yet? looks like they got Unix's coolest tools ready for use in Windows :b: [22:50] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [22:50] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [22:50] How long do you recon until someone begins to understand something in the source [22:50] hehe.. hadn't noticed [22:50] ppl could install cygwin and have those tools [22:51] cygwin? not familiar with it... [22:51] it's basically a windows port of a lot of unix/linux stuff [22:51] like bash, sed, grep, ... [22:51] Hard to say. I see a lot of familiar SLIC like stuff in the file I've looked at. [22:52] yeah, just googled it. sounds interesting... [22:53] I have it on my laptop at work... [22:53] I use grep a lot :) [22:53] grep rocks :b: [22:54] and diff [22:54] and ... [22:54] etc... ;) [22:54] I always miss that stuff on windows [22:55] yup, one of the reasons why Unix will probably always remain superior to Windows :) [22:56] hehe [22:56] hey.. it only took MS like 15 years to have tab completion in a shell by default [22:57] * ari wonders when he last had Windows installed on his main box... [22:57] so, what? another 100 until they copy grep? :) [22:58] lol [22:58] * J_Bytheway has joined #Apolyton [22:58] Greetings from The fire storm in San diego =D [22:59] Hi, Cyborg (or is that you Oerdin)? [22:59] No im new here =D [22:59] Hello [22:59] * iskallin has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [23:00] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [23:00] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [23:00] * G_Slacker /who [23:00] Oops. [23:00] btw, when Dan thanked the guys at activision, the reaction he got was: 'I hope the fans really take advantage of it and make some cool mods of CTP2. :)' [23:00] so we can thank them by doing what we do best ;) [23:01] I'm glad the people there realise what it is we (think we) do well :). [23:02] True. i lurk around a very small forum of professional developers/programmers. [23:03] And someone there said that ID Software did wonders for game design when they released their source [23:05] definitely true. [23:07] I think I'm going to back to browsing the source. CYA later if your're still here. [23:07] i'm doing the same as we speak :) [23:08] * Peter_T has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [23:10] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [23:10] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [23:10] Well im off just wanted to let you know the ctp2 mods have been noted on other game fourms and still comparded to new games great work [23:11] * Fred has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [23:12] they have? [23:13] maybe he means CFC? [23:15] could be. shame it was us doing most of the comparing [23:17] yeah... [23:18] btw, I noticed a byacc file in the bin folder, so the .y files might refer to yacc files after all, SprudL (if you're still here) [23:19] indeed [23:19] but there's allso an ldlyacc.h or something [23:19] that more or less gave it away [23:20] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [23:20] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [23:20] I could have sworn I saw bison somewhere, but perhaps I imagined it... [23:20] ah. then the LDL files form their own little language (like SLIC) and are compiled by a yacc-generated compiler... [23:20] * MRex has joined #apolyton [23:20] I think I saw that name as well... hmmm... [23:21] hi :) [23:21] so there could a language to make the UI then? [23:21] maybe they used yacc for LDL and bison for SLIC? :confused: [23:21] could *be* a language... djz.. still can't type [23:21] well, the LDL files sure look like a scripting language. But noone has ever been able to make much sense of them. [23:22] and yes, the LDL files control the UI [23:23] open the LDL files in a text editor and see for yourself... [23:23] there's a slic.y file [23:23] hmm... [23:23] yacc for slic too then? [23:23] the plot thickens. would make sense. but what's bison doing there then? or maybe John and I were just dreaming... [23:24] I remember when I first saw ldl files in CTP1 and I was most dissapointed because I had no idea how they worked, and I was most impressed that anyone had modded them - it was over a year before I thought to open one in a text editor. [23:24] I think perhaps I saw the name "bison" appear fleetingly during the installation... [23:25] aha... bison is mentioned in the readme. according to that, there should be a bison file in the bin folder but there isn't... [23:25] its in the readme IIRC [23:25] can't find bison at first glance [23:25] doh! byacc! [23:25] dammit, crossspeak. [23:26] Yep, it was in the readme [23:26] That explains it. [23:26] byacc == bison? [23:26] I'm not sure of this, but I think bison and yacc are two different things that perform the same function. [23:26] aha. from gnu.org: Bison is upward compatible with Yacc: all properly-written Yacc grammars ought to work with Bison with no change. [23:26] yes [23:27] somehow they are related [23:27] * MRex has left #apolyton [23:27] hmz.. locutus found out already :) [23:27] so they used Bison, not Yacc -- and bison is basically yacc++ :) wasn't aware of that -- thought they were completely seperate things [23:28] * mrmitchell has joined #apolyton [23:28] :party: [23:28] :crash: [23:28] so that's a step forward. we know the .y files are bison files [23:28] So is byacc.exe actually bison? [23:29] yes. at least I think so. [23:29] maybe it can handle both? [23:29] probably. seeing how bison is yacc compatible... [23:30] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [23:30] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [23:31] okay, did a search: the .y files are ctpdb.y, slic.y, sliccmd.y, fli.y and ldl.y [23:31] so they used bison/yacc for their internal database, slic, AI and UI... [23:31] two slics? [23:32] I've found the source of the famous "Array index 0 out of bounds" error - in SlicArray.cpp :) [23:32] I guess that's the first place to improve SLIC debugging :) [23:32] I think sliccmd.y is a list on slic commands. Based purely on the file name. [23:33] yeah, not sure what that means either. but in antlr (the compiler compiler I'm most experienced with) you can just string text files together and it'll treat it as a single file -- just like SLIC. same might be the case here. the slic.y file *is* rather large, so splitting it up makes sense. [23:35] oh yeah... just looking at slic.y now. I don't know yacc very well, but this DEFINITELY looks like a compiler compiler... [23:35] Indeed, the lexer is in slic.l. [23:36] ooh, a comment [23:36] apparently byacc stands for berkeley yacc [23:36] I thought is was bison/yacc [23:37] hmmm... strange. either way, it's yacc-ish. I'm sure we can deal with that :) [23:37] :) [23:37] I've been playing around with compiler constructors a lot recently, with this partly in mind. [23:37] not that we need to really. most of the stuff we'll want to change is probably in the implementation, not in the definition of the various languages used [23:38] I note also that slic.y has some debugging stuff under #ifdef directives. Might be handy. [23:38] damn, I knew I should have finished that class :D [23:38] yeah, I noticed. [23:39] I have half a mind to try to write an entirely new sscripting language from scratch... Perhaps that's a little overambitious, but it might be easier than twisting SLIC too far. [23:39] And it makes backwards-compatibility easier too. [23:40] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [23:40] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [23:40] in the long run that might be a good idea, in which case we'll have plenty of time to figure out what version of yacc it is :) in the short run we'll want to focus on fixing the existing language. [23:41] I think getting familiar with the source tree will be hard enough at first :) [23:41] damn, way to ruin an early night. good one, Fate. [23:42] http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000348.html :p [23:42] it sure will... [23:44] (note: no, I wasn't serious) [23:45] All that stuff about regions is in there too... I thought that was taken out of SLIC2... [23:46] ari: I sure hope so :nono: [23:46] * Nimitz has joined #apolyton [23:46] * Nimitz has left #apolyton [23:46] i wouldn't be surprised if we find a lot of remnants from ctp1 in there... [23:46] or stuff that never worked at all. [23:47] Hmm.. I've also noticed that some /* ... */ comments remain in slic.y - I guess Mr Orge didn't catch them all. [23:48] yes, they could prove very useful... [23:48] too bad they stripped comments... would have been fun too read :) [23:48] mmm, trigger lists. wonder if they work? [23:50] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [23:50] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [23:50] in fact, I found 2841 lines with the text '/*' in the entire source code folder... [23:50] Looks like they were trying to implement structs for SLIC - would have been handy. [23:51] i kind of expected that. the ctp1 SLIC syntax was very struct-like. [23:53] whats the forum for the code junkies?;) [23:53] structs? :cute: [23:53] Zephyr: Move along, nothing to see here [23:53] ahh found it [23:53] iw, you have a lot to learn, you one... [23:53] uh huh... [23:54] i'm surprised you didn't squeak during the yacc discussion :) [23:54] Oh, IW: just curious - what happened with your university application in the end. You should have started this year, right? [23:55] yeah. deferred 'til next year. just for the hell of it [23:56] So you're not sitting in a room just down the corridor, then :). [23:56] not yet ;) [23:56] Loc: I can at least understand the concept behind yacc, even if the details are er... beyond me [23:57] I've got to restart after installing the DXMedia SDK. Back soon. [23:57] * J_Bytheway has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [23:57] I'm going to call it a night... I have to be at a place called work tomorrow... *sigh* [23:58] so does this stuff build? [23:59] CU sprudl. bah, who needs work? I'm taking a week off, mehthinks :) [23:59] lol.. I wish I could :) [23:59] lol [23:59] * G_Slacker takes off a week. [23:59] deadlines intervene with that plan.. *sigh* [23:59] Brrr, it's cold without that week on. [23:59] * G_Slacker puts the week back on. [23:59] redstar, not many people have tried yet (you need I think about 300 meg of extra sdk stuff from the MS website next to the code itself). those who've tried ran into some trouble, but probably nothing that can't be fixed [00:00] * settler2 has joined #apolyton [00:00] * settler2 has quit IRC (Quit: settler2) [00:00] What does SDK stand for? [00:00] Stupid Development Kit? [00:00] software developmet kit... in this case, basically DirectX for programmers. [00:02] * Lemmy has joined #apolyton [00:02] anyway, I can't figure out what files exactly to d/l... rahter confusing... [00:02] Oh. [00:03] hmm i got a lot of the dx sdk stuff... [00:03] What does it do? [00:04] simply put, it makes it possible to program games in directX [00:04] might have to try on me laptop tomorrow [00:05] got VS .net and all the direct x stuff [00:05] so only the source code is released? no multimedia files? [00:05] hmm, I'm afraid I'm rather ill equipped, I normally use gcc. gonna take a while to get that working with this code... [00:05] we going a bug fixin?;) been years since i played CTP [00:05] I thought you had the game Lemmy? [00:05] i did [00:05] * J_Bytheway has joined #Apolyton [00:05]