Session Start: Sat Jun 07 15:07:55 2003 Session Ident: #civ3dem * Now talking in #civ3dem [15:08] test test test [15:19] * aggie has joined #civ3dem [15:20] hello just poping in, 40min to chat right? [15:20] hi. Yep. [15:21] I was going to clean up the demo game forum, but there has been so little activity there really is nothing for me to do. [15:21] yah it is slow. I guess once we have laternate paths things will become more active [15:22] laternat? [15:22] i mean alternate :) [15:22] ok. [15:22] Do you know how to set the room description? [15:23] nope never have done that [15:23] same here. I don't know many of the commands here on mIRC. [15:24] * GK-gone sets mode: +o aggie [15:24] wow I''mand operator [15:24] Sure. Why not. Edited out by GK [15:31] i hope so. hope we get a good turn out. I have so many chores around the house that I am skipping... gardening, laundry, all sorts of stuff. Oh well. Good to do some civ. [15:32] it is, speaking of that I better do something. will be back right before chat [15:32] see ya in a bit. [15:33] * aggie has quit IRC (Quit) [15:35] * Kloreep has joined #civ3dem [15:36] * GK-gone sets mode: +o Kloreep [15:36] hi [15:37] Hi. [15:39] * CiverDan has joined #civ3dem [15:39] hello [15:39] * GK-gone sets mode: +o CiverDan [15:39] hi [15:39] Hi. :) [15:39] * Togas has joined #civ3dem [15:39] * GK-gone sets mode: +o Togas [15:39] hello [15:39] hello [15:39] hi all [15:40] I'll be hanging out for a bit. [15:40] glad to have ya. [15:40] It's a FAM chat. :) [15:40] lol [15:41] :) [15:43] Loading the game.... [15:43] * aggie has joined #civ3dem [15:43] damn, that patch for moo3 is taking forever to download. [15:43] * GK-gone sets mode: +o aggie [15:43] Hi aggie. [15:43] hello [15:43] It really is a FAM chat... [15:43] Where are you downloading from, GK? [15:43] poly [15:44] moo3mods.com was fairly fast for me (fast for my dial-up connection, that is). [15:44] I am at 90%. It just took about 12 minutes is all [15:44] not bad for dialup [15:44] * dejon has joined #civ3dem [15:44] * GK-gone sets mode: +o dejon [15:44] SMC reporting for duty [15:44] * GK-gone is now known as Prez_GK [15:45] dejon - in your orders (which I am now reading) you realize that DM controls workers and settlers, right? [15:46] also, turn 1, do you want that lone archer to fortify right were it is at, or in the future city with the stack? [15:46] Yep, those were "requests". :) [15:46] Fort where it is to ensure it doesn't get mixed up with the attack stack [15:46] It will garrison the city after stack moves on [15:47] ok. just checking. [15:47] brb (checking forums) [15:50] we're attacking this turn? :) [15:50] No. On turn 3 I think we declair war. [15:51] during this turnchat :b: [15:51] Turn 1, move settler. Turn 2 found city, move stack into position. Turn 3 - WAR [15:52] I hope we have a big enough army, and that the dice are with us. [15:53] for rep shouldn't we declare before we enter their territory and that would be this turn [15:54] i mean next turn [15:54] Aggie - you are quite right - Kloreep? [15:54] We'll get a border exponsion from the city. [15:54] I think that's the reason... [15:54] No. our territory should include the iron once the city is founded. That way, we move the stack over onto the iron after the city is founded, we get closes to Edrine prior to declairing war. Yes, you are correct, we need to declair war Prior to entering to avoid the rep hit. [15:55] just checking, but you are correct [15:55] brb [15:55] i wasn;t thinking of the new city [15:56] * BigFree has joined #civ3dem [15:57] * Prez_GK sets mode: +o BigFree [15:57] back. Hi [15:58] jeez - it looks like half of RP team showed up. [15:58] We're hard core [15:58] LOL [15:58] hell yeah [15:59] The iron is already roaded, so we'll be in their territory next turn. [16:00] and attack the city the third turn [16:00] yep. should be. [16:00] so do we declare this turn, or next? [16:00] next - after the iron city [16:01] we don't want the ai to use the iron and get a bunch of upgrades and new units started now, do we. [16:01] yes..that willl asist unit moveemnt [16:02] ok. Time to start. War is here, what about Dm and FAM? [16:03] Who wants to take over as DM? [16:03] BetaHound is tardy again. Must be busy with *domestic* chores. ;) [16:03] Kloreep u ready? [16:04] LOL [16:04] CD and Kloreep - you are acting FAM, right? [16:04] FAM has just started loading the save. There aren't any trades this turn. [16:04] no, wait... forgive me, Kloreep [16:04] yes [16:04] Yep, CD is a deputy FAM [16:04] We're at 1225, right? [16:05] too many flats of flowers planted in the sun this morning. 1225 it is. [16:05] I still need a temp DM. Any volunteers? [16:06] well basically they need to make sure we road to the iron right? [16:06] I wil be leaving in 20 minutes, i cannot [16:06] that, as well as production management. [16:06] flats of flowers? I went to an amusement park this morning. :) Canada's Wonderland [16:06] i can do it [16:06] I will be going to Cedar point (in ohio) next sunday. [16:06] i'll just follow the orders [16:07] thanks aggie. [16:07] 4 I am doing the posted Dm orders now. [16:08] Ooh, there are trades availabel this turn... [16:08] that is fine. We can do FAM at the end. [16:10] 4 Dm orders done. [16:10] Militayr? [16:10] want me to follow your posted or do you want to walk me through them. [16:11] Question: Do we want Zululand's TM? It costs 21 gold. [16:11] i would rather asve for uprading [16:11] we dont need that mp rioght now [16:11] Yeah. And the Iroquois TM, if they ever get MM. [16:11] I say wait. [16:12] You can follow the posted order for this turn, nothing fancy [16:12] we wil need iro prob soon though [16:12] 4 doing SMC posted orders. [16:13] odin and thor? [16:13] 12 Odin - N, NE [16:13] 4 Odin n, ne [16:13] 12 Thor - W first, then we'll see [16:13] oops, stop [16:14] 4 Thor - W [16:14] Err... I'm confused on the DM orders. [16:14] Stopped. [16:14] 12 Thor E [16:14] Worker n of Bergen is really worker W of Bergen? [16:14] I got mixed up [16:14] 4 thor - e [16:14] Oh, IN Bergen. nm [16:15] There was a worker due north of Bergen. He is now making the road towards the iron. [16:15] Thor? [16:15] OK, for Thor, do we stay in Zulu territory (since we already annoyed them), or head into Celt territory and annoy them too? ;) [16:15] your call. [16:15] Ah, yes, moved the native worker... [16:16] Does the Bab worker move to same tile as the native worker? [16:16] 12 Thor - SE [16:16] 4 thor - SE [16:16] Zulus have Iron connected [16:16] does anybody know where this other city was going to be founded? [16:17] Where they just moved to, iirc [16:17] our side of the river [16:17] ok. [16:17] GK, did you move the Bab worker? [16:18] yes [16:18] FAM? [16:18] He moved on his own in my play-along [16:18] in mine too [16:18] same here. [16:18] I didn't have to move him as he was set to go there from previous [16:18] any FAM? [16:19] was other settler (not the iron one)move E found city along teh river? [16:19] that is my understanding. [16:19] Ah... damn, I may have messed things up. I'll reload once FAM for this turn is done. [16:19] Hang on... [16:19] Need to finish moves. [16:19] not a problem. [16:19] i thought it was done last chat for this turn [16:20] Yeah, but I saw he had a move and assumed he had no orders, so I activated and moved him. [16:20] no, we just started this turn at the end of last chat. [16:20] Not sure if that changes the RNG... [16:20] I hope Beta shows up - his change of the scientist in WL may mean I can't borrow the spear in there. [16:20] ok..will check [16:20] We could test it this turn, dejon. [16:21] i didnt move thor right... [16:21] that might affect the numbers i get [16:21] We could move the spear SE, check if there's unhappiness, move him back NW regardless. [16:21] Do you want a new save? [16:21] Sorry CD, i mixed Thor's direction up initially. [16:21] * BetaHound has joined #civ3dem [16:21] BetaHound!!! [16:21] Yea! [16:21] * Prez_GK sets mode: +o BetaHound [16:21] sure [16:22] Greetings! Sorry I am late. [16:22] we come to expect it out of you. [16:22] How goes life? [16:22] Domestic duties. Working in back yard. [16:22] I was right! [16:22] Hi Beta. [16:22] I have some FAM orders whenever you're ready, GK. [16:22] Putting a pond in. [16:22] Good preactice for aqueduct. [16:23] :) [16:23] :) [16:23] OK. I was going to post the save, but I can do them first. Shoot FAM. [16:23] 12Sell WM to Zululand for 1 gold [16:23] And we have this gorgeous statue of a half-naked Athena who stands next to it. :) [16:24] 4 WM to Zulu for 1 [16:24] do it.. [16:24] BetaHound - I went to Canada's Wonderland this morning, and I saw some characters in the Hanna-Barbara area that reminded me of you... :) [16:24] 12Sell WM to Persia for 1 gold [16:24] hehe [16:24] they looked like al-sahhaf??? [16:24] 4 wm to persia for 1g [16:24] not quite, but close! [16:25] 12Sell WM to Celts for 1 gold [16:25] 4 wm to celts for 1g [16:25] 12Sell WM to Germany for 1 gold [16:26] 4 Wm to germany for 1 gold [16:26] 12Sell WM to Egypt for 1 gold [16:26] 4 and egypt [16:26] Beta - I may want to borrow the Spearman in WL in a couple of turns, which will make that new WF (ex-scientist) upset. [16:27] Okay, mapwhoring done. I know it's boring, but it's like 5gpt if we do it every turn. :) [16:27] 12FAM done. [16:27] let me look at it next turn. [16:27] OK. Map whoring done. I will end turn and post save for beta. [16:27] 3 [16:27] 2 [16:27] 1 [16:27] Mr Prez - I assume you got my first turn moves. [16:27] 4 ending turn [16:27] yes sir [16:28] danke sehr [16:28] merci [16:28] gracias [16:28] Bad Celts! Bad! [16:28] what happend..they block him in [16:29] OK. Nothing happened except zulu started on lighthouse and a couple of celt settlers appear near us. [16:29] Saving and posting. [16:29] Expanding on to our turf. :mad: ;) [16:30] they need to kill the Zulus and leave us alone [16:30] agreed [16:30] The Celts do have Iron; they could do it. :) [16:31] :) We'll build that river city this turn anyways, no harm [16:31] :) good timing! [16:31] true. save is being uploaded. Connection is slow. [16:31] so long as there's open land the AI will go for it [16:31] celts must be trapped with no room to expand [16:31] Makes me glad we built those settlers when we did. [16:31] Unless they try and build near the caost - on the other side of the river. [16:32] Yep - that might mess us up a bit. [16:32] yeah, looks like we won't get to build another city at the end of the mountain line [16:32] We'll see. [16:33] Still, 2 out of 3 isn't bad (cities) [16:33] Korean worker availble, but price is over 100 gold. [16:33] nope [16:33] need cash for warrior upgrades. [16:33] i would pass...we nede yupagrade money [16:33] where are those Koreans? [16:33] SMC requests that we keep our gold for upcoming Sword upgrades [16:33] we can wait. We have some upgrades to do in a couple of turns. [16:33] Togas: We don't know. [16:33] Was there a discussion regarding building more warriors? [16:33] not yet BetaHound [16:33] save is up. [16:34] remember, we can always pillage the iron if we have to. [16:34] We could switch Bergen and Asgard to warriors, but we won't have the upgrade funds for quite some time... [16:34] Could we move Thor and Odin now, so I can get our end-of-turn map value? [16:35] I was first with the save!!! :) [16:35] Sure. dejon - your thor and odin moves? [16:35] Beta: I know. :) But as it is, they're usually moved right before I go, and I have to hold up the chat... [16:35] I played along closely - should I d'l the save, or just proceed? [16:35] i'd say we need archers now, since any warriros couldn't be upgraded after the initial payment until after the war [16:36] if you played along, no reason to upload. [16:36] OK, checking scouts.. [16:36] * theViking has joined #civ3dem [16:36] hi theViking [16:36] Hi [16:36] 12 Thor - E, E [16:37] 4 thor - e, e [16:37] 12 Odin - E, E [16:37] 4 odin - e, e [16:37] im loaded [16:37] greetings! [16:37] Good for you CD. Heroin or crack? [16:38] Will our city settlements increase our map value? [16:38] yes [16:38] they might. They count as new improvements and border changes. [16:38] OK, do we have names for them? [16:38] I will found the two cities, Iron city first. [16:38] see what comes up [16:39] haha [16:39] Reykjavik for Iron City? [16:39] good name- volcanoes and all. [16:39] 4 Reykjavik in the west (iron city) and Oslo in the east (river city) [16:40] OK - DM first. [16:40] Just to make sure I understand the orders: the cities are founded now, with Reykjavik first? [16:40] do you want me to go thru the orders - or do you have them already? [16:41] 2 zulu settlers and 2 celt settlers with cover [16:41] Yes. [16:41] * opdafk has joined #civ3dem [16:41] yes to which? [16:41] lo [16:41] * opdafk is now known as opd [16:41] Hi OPD [16:41] hi opd [16:41] Hi [16:41] greetings OPD - esteemed co-conspirator VP. [16:41] cities have been founded. [16:42] hi opd [16:42] * Prez_GK sets mode: +o opd [16:42] * Prez_GK sets mode: +o theViking [16:42] remeber don't enter territory of ottomans until DOW [16:42] 12 workers w-w of bergen commnece roading [16:42] Wouldn't it be ironic if that iron disappeared next turn? [16:42] 4 workers roading. [16:42] Don't say that! [16:43] Kobenhagen is already set to produce sprear. [16:43] 4 spear in oslo fort [16:43] 4 kobenhagen - keep spear as production [16:44] 12 Oslo wf to 7 [16:44] 4 Oslo wf to 7 [16:44] Discussion - Oslo productuion to walls? Dejon? GK? [16:45] trondheim - set to spear? or did you want another settler? [16:45] Oslo could have the bonus grass for growth... [16:45] 5 turns. [16:45] I like walls - we have no plans for growth in that direction for a bit. [16:45] Just move the Asgard worker. [16:45] Asgard labourer/citizen/WF, rather. [16:45] I vote walls. :b: [16:46] Asgard WF on 3 [16:46] 6 SMC will take up to 3 units naming requests (from people who haven't already named any). We have 3 archers and 1 spear in the attack stack that are not yet named. [16:46] yes - there is an Asgard move to make. One sec. [16:47] 12 Asgard wf from 3 to 4. [16:47] Dejon: I'll be the spear. [16:47] 4 asgard wf from 3 to 4 [16:47] 12 Oslo wf from 7 to 18 [16:47] Oslo from 7 to 18 [16:47] I don't think Reykjavik needs walls - Erdine will become the frontier city shorly. ;) Maybe a worker? [16:47] Walls for me. [16:48] 4 Olso wf from 7 to 18 [16:48] We are talking about Oslo [16:48] Oslo - walls, definitely. We don't want to have to worry about that front for some time. [16:48] Iroq are next, north [16:48] we hope. [16:49] dejon, I request the spear be named "Kloreep the Named Unit" :) [16:49] after walls we might want a temple in olso [16:49] 12 Oslo prod. to walls. [16:49] Any more DM? Trond is sticking with spear? [16:49] :) ok, Kloreep [16:49] 4 walls it is [16:49] expanding borders there is important IMHO [16:49] yes - Trond spear. [16:50] Reykjavik?? Worker or barracks? [16:50] barracks [16:50] did the 2 stlrs build where they were in the 1200 save? [16:50] yes [16:50] iron one first [16:50] :b: [16:50] If we're keeping Trond and Koben on spears, then I'm okay with Bergen & Asgard switching to Warrior, even though we won't have the upgrade $ for awhile. [16:50] (helps to keep the names streight OPD) [16:50] brb [16:51] Anyone for a worker in Reyk? [16:51] Going once... [16:51] We need more native workers, no? [16:51] I would not disagree. [16:51] i'd rather let it grow first [16:52] get another archer or sword [16:52] damn - cat knocked sugar bowl onto floor and it si all over the place. [16:52] At pop 2, the cattle could support the iron hill... [16:52] Partially, I just want to stay on our DM's good side so that he considers my requests. ;) [16:53] Ok. anything else? [16:53] Dejon - you mentioned barracks.:) [16:53] er - worker [16:53] But the bonus grass could be mined by the new worker, so I'll vote for the worker. :b: [16:53] worker...barrak wont do squa for this war wayways [16:53] Wait - will the workers currently doing the road change the timeline with whatever they do next? [16:54] we could also mine it with the other workers in 2+ turns, we will need troops incase war is extended/costly [16:54] squat [16:54] OK - 1 barracks 2 worker - quick poll. [16:54] Road done in 2 turns. I assumed next would be roading the cow then mining it. [16:54] 1 [16:54] I'm torn... [16:54] 1 [16:54] 1 [16:54] 2 [16:55] Gotta play the SMC role - 1 [16:55] 2 [16:55] 1 [16:55] 2 [16:55] Next time I'll leave it to the DM to argue for workers. :) [16:55] 12 Reyk prod to barracks. [16:55] i supect we will capture workers too [16:55] 5 to 3. 4 Barracks. [16:56] DM done. [16:56] lol 4 stlrs to the east [16:56] Aggie - good point [16:56] Yeah, we were just in time there [16:56] Lets do Fam prior to starting the war, OK? [16:56] ok [16:56] :b: [16:56] mapwhore? [16:56] We have to. Part of FAM is the DoW. [16:57] yes [16:57] Yep. [16:57] 12Sell WM to the Zulu for 1 gold [16:57] if you have a list of nations, just list them all out. Might be faster. [16:57] Okay. [16:58] 12WM to Zulus, Persians, Celts, Germans, and Egyptians, all for 1 gold [16:58] 4 mapwhore. [16:59] now at 133 gold. 4 maphworing complete. [16:59] So, now we declare war? :expect: [17:00] Unless you have anything else? [17:00] :evilgrin: [17:00] give the order, good sir. [17:00] 12 Declare WAR on the Ottomans! [17:00] 12Declare war on that area those backstabbing Ottomans call an "empire" :D [17:00] The DM picks up his best shovel! [17:01] 4 Declairing war on the evil, hatefull, smelly Ottomans [17:01] The FAM picks up his best... err... letter opener! [17:01] lol [17:01] Men! Cover your noses, we're going in! [17:01] lol [17:01] lol [17:01] 4 WAR [17:02] I assume our SMC has a plan... [17:02] Now we can watch the Archers pour out of Aydin... ;) [17:02] hehe [17:02] 12 Rename the 2nd spear in stack - "Kloreep the Named Unit" [17:02] 4 renaming to "Kloreep the Named Unit" [17:02] i hope we don't get the same feeling i had during the persian war when all the archers kept turning up [17:03] please no... not that again.... [17:03] 12 Wake stack (8 units) and move NW, W [17:03] yeah regarding aydin there prob going to pop rush an archer [17:03] 4 moving stack NW, W [17:03]