Session Start: Tue Jun 03 17:46:11 2003
Session Ident: #civ3dem
* Now talking in #civ3dem
* Topic is 'C3DGII - Turnchat #8'
* Set by dejon on Tue Jun 03 17:41:23
<PrezGodKi> Howdi hi
<dejon> Hi GK
<PrezGodKi> loading the game....
* mrmitchel sets mode: +oo Kloreep PrezGodKi
<Kloreep> Thanks dejon. :)
<Kloreep> I'll load the game too.
<dejon> dejon is loading save...
* dejon is loading save...
<PrezGodKi> Thanks.  Any word if anybody else is planning on joining us?
<Kloreep> I thought BetaHound was going to be here...
<dejon> Yeah, BH said he'd make it
<PrezGodKi> Can someone do a log for me.  My computer often messes them up as I disconnect from mIRC and loose the earlier parts of a chat.
<dejon> I'm logging.
<Kloreep> Need to reboot. Then I can do a log too.
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<PrezGodKi> Thanks.  I log, but I am on dial up, and if I forget to refresh a web page every 7 minutes or so I get disconnected.... I hate Yahoo.  Why did they have to buy prodigy?
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<Kloreep> Okay, loading once more...
<PrezGodKi> 5 minutes....
<Kloreep> Loaded.
<Kloreep> What are we going to research?
<PrezGodKi> That shall be our first discussion.  I thing monarchy, but am open to suggestions.
<PrezGodKi> think, not thing
<Kloreep> I agree.
<Kloreep> It's the most expensive, so the best use of 40-turn research. And I doubt we'll want markets or aqueducts anytime soon.
<dejon> I agree too.  Monarchy is the correct approach for a Diety warfare game, right?
<Kloreep> We certainly don't want WW from Republic. :)
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<CiverDan> helolo
<CiverDan> hello
<Kloreep> Hi.
<dejon> And we're unlikely to get the wonders from MM or Lit
<dejon> Hi CD
<CiverDan> hi dejon
<Kloreep> Did you get either of my PMs CD?
<CiverDan> no...
<PrezGodKi> Other options I see are currency (AI never seams to research it til last) or lit (and try for GL, but I doubt we will get it without a GL)
<PrezGodKi> HI CD
<CiverDan> hi godking
* PrezGodKi is now known as Prez_GK
<CiverDan> i got it kloreep
<Prez_GK> one minute
<CiverDan> hold on a gotta load the game
<Prez_GK> 4 Greetings and welcome to the official first chat of term 2!!!
<dejon> Hurrah!?!
<Prez_GK> I would like to go in this order, FAM, DM, MoW and Other.  any objections.
<Kloreep> Long like the <s>President</s> King!
<Kloreep> *Long live
<CiverDan> give me one min to load teh game
<Prez_GK> like also.
<Kloreep> Of course. :)
<Prez_GK> :D
<CiverDan> poly is a bit slow
<Kloreep> You might want to put me later in order...
<Kloreep> I'll need to check AIs before giving orders each turn, whereas the DM will have more advance knowledge of plans.
<CiverDan> we are at 1350BC correct
<Prez_GK> I know.. we can do FAM 2 times, once at the beginning and once under other.
<Kloreep> Yep.
<dejon> We need BetaHound, or a replacement
<Prez_GK> CiverDan yep
<Prez_GK> betahound gave first turn orders.
<roadcage> loading save
<roadcage> loading save
<Kloreep> BetaHound isn't on poly right now...
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<roadcage> bach
<CiverDan> ok i am loaded
<CiverDan> wb
<Prez_GK> Lets start without him.  If someone wants to take over until he joins....
<Kloreep> Don't you need Music Theory for that, roadcage? ;)
<roadcage> back
* dejon smirks at Kloreep
<Prez_GK> 4 switching asgard to settler
<Kloreep> Well, you're technically the one who it falls to, GK. :) I'd say you're a good replacement if no one else steps forward.
<Kloreep> dejon: ?
<Prez_GK> I know, but I have my hands full.... and can use some help.
<dejon> I can, but how 'bout RC?  (I'm SMC)
<dejon> Got it loaded roadcage?
<CiverDan> want me to look at FAM?
<Prez_GK> 4 moving new slaves s-sw (using road to command)
<roadcage> yes
<dejon> Could you serve as DM if BetaHound doesn't show?
<Kloreep> CD: Sure, I could use some help. BTW, I assume you accept the position of FAM deputy?
<dejon> (He only posted first turn orders)
<CiverDan> yes i do
<CiverDan> where are these new slaves?
<dejon> Gk just moved them (orders in red)
<roadcage> in the capital
<CiverDan> i dont seee them
<Prez_GK> 4 changed workforce in bergen, and switched production to settler.
<dejon> In Asgard
<Kloreep> CD: You have the post-techwhore save, right?
<dejon> CD: do you have the post-whore save?
<CiverDan> oops...
<dejon> cross post
<CiverDan> my back
<CiverDan> bad
<Kloreep> If not, you can get it in the Turnchat #8 announcement thread.
<CiverDan> brb
<Kloreep> GK: Changed workforce how?
<dejon> WF from S to W of city
<Prez_GK> from south to west
<Prez_GK> sorry, I had 3 pm's while I was doing the orders....
<Kloreep> Yikes.
<Prez_GK> tell me about it. Hopefully we will get a couple more people joining us.  Newbees
<Kloreep> Cool :b:
<CiverDan> am loading it now
<Prez_GK> any other buisness?  or end turn.
<dejon> Nothing here
<Kloreep> Nope.
<dejon> Want us to use a colour for orders and responses?
<Prez_GK> Please.  use blue for official orders.
<Kloreep> 12FAM okay to end turn.
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<Prez_GK> BetaHound  :D
<Prez_GK> glad to see ya.
<BetaHound> DM here.
<Kloreep> We have our DM! Rejoice! :)
<dejon> Yea!
<BetaHound> Man - traffic was a pain.
<Prez_GK> first turn done.  waiting to end turn.  just did your orders as posted.
<Kloreep> This might be the first chat in a while with a full set of ministers...
<BetaHound> You know our lovely city - dejon.
<dejon> That's one reason why I love working from home!
<Prez_GK> neither of the VP's are hear.
<BetaHound> thx!
<CiverDan> i got it
<CiverDan> am all caught up now
<Prez_GK> ok.  ending turn, or do you need to catch up beta
* mrmitchel sets mode: +o BetaHound
<Kloreep> GK: Yeah, but I think of them as executives rather than ministers. What I mean is that all three ministers responsible for orders are here. :)
<mrmitchel> damn
<Prez_GK> true
* mrmitchel sets mode: +ooo CiverDan Kloreep roadcage
<Prez_GK> glad to have you all here btw.
<BetaHound> how does one read the previous sstuff on the chat log
<CiverDan> we have 6 archers now i see
<Kloreep> Beta: You want the orders reposted?
<CiverDan> we do we declare?
<CiverDan> *when
<BetaHound> no - its probably OK - I know what they were.
<CiverDan> i havent gotten caught up on all the threads yet
<roadcage> approach border before declaring
<Prez_GK> 4 ending turn
<CiverDan> but not IN the border..thats bad for reo
<CiverDan> rep
<roadcage> approach not cross
<dejon> I didn't get much response in the War thread...do we want to declare war on the Ottos, or just settle their Iron?
<BetaHound> I say just settle the iron if we get there in trime.
<BetaHound> time
<Kloreep> Ottos want us out.
<Prez_GK> Ottoman "we are in their territory" message.  I will hit appologize for mistake and move troops out.
<Kloreep> :b:
<dejon> Ah, fine by me.  I hadn't hit end turn here.  Gotta get our scout outta there.
<CiverDan> interesting..where are those persians going..
<Prez_GK> egypt and germans building lighthouse.
<Kloreep> What's Copenhagen producing next?
<Prez_GK> just hit OK and we can decide later.
<dejon> lighthouse - FAM start checking for MM deals  :D
<Kloreep> I'm afraid it's too expensive. :(
<BetaHound> one sec
<CiverDan> i will check frmo bottom up
<Kloreep> We just have to hope someone acquires MM before Poly or Mathematics.
<BetaHound> Arher or spearman - dejon's choice.
<Kloreep> Babylon seems to be making 1gpt.
<Kloreep> Ottomans bought Poly.
<dejon> We'll need a defender for the Iron city - Spearman
<Prez_GK> remember, please use blue for orders.
<dejon> 12 Okay, sorry
<Prez_GK> DM - your first.
<BetaHound> ok - rookie question - how does one do blue?
<Prez_GK> control k then type the number then space.
<Kloreep> 12 is blue.
<dejon> ctrl-k, 7
<Prez_GK> then type as usual
<dejon> err, 12.
<CiverDan> we can give Japan Alphabet for 20 Gold
<dejon> 7 7 is what I normally use to get people's attention
<BetaHound> 12 like this
<Prez_GK> you got it.
<BetaHound> two workers next to Cope commence roading.
<Kloreep> I think we should wait on Japan... they could pay us more later on.
<Prez_GK> that an order BetaHound
<BetaHound> 12 roading.
<Prez_GK> 4 roading
<dejon> Informal poll : 1) Only peacefully take Ottomans Iron with settler; 2) War - take at least Aydin
<Kloreep> When does the map value reset? When a unit moves, or when more is uncovered?
<Kloreep> The forum authorized war...
<Kloreep> Besides, Edrine would bring a lot of cultural pressure on any city we set up here.
<roadcage> Iron is within their borders, settling will cause war
<Kloreep> *set up there
<Kloreep> No, we can settle just outside.
<Prez_GK> ut oh... you ment the two next to asgard, right?  I just started them roading there...
<Kloreep> And then our proximity to the iron will get it beside our territory.
<dejon> No it won't, rc
<BetaHound> 12 Cope wF nw-n move to ne (forst tile)
<Kloreep> Shoot, I just activated one of the "road-to" workers...
<Kloreep> I need to do the last turn over again. :idiot:
<Prez_GK> There are two new workers next to copenhagen, I used the road-to command last turn.  the two workers south of bergen and w of asgard I just ordered them to start roading.
<Prez_GK> correct (I hope).  hate to think I screwed up first time....
<BetaHound> do we use the term wf (worrkforce) or cit (citizen) here?
<CiverDan> wf
<dejon> I'm used to WF
<BetaHound> no problems with confusing them with workers?
<Prez_GK> wf usually
<Kloreep> WF, citizen, laborer... it's all the same.
<Prez_GK> not usually.  context.
<Kloreep> Okay, so the two Otto slaves road, correct?
<Prez_GK> either way.  I usually use slave and surf for the workers.
<BetaHound> 12 2 workers south of Bergen commence roading. I assume that is what they were moved there for originally.
<Kloreep> Yes, that is what I moved them there for... just wanted to make sure that's what was done.
<Prez_GK> OK.
<Prez_GK> Any production changes or WF changes?
<BetaHound> 12 Asgard wf sw moves to ne.
<CiverDan> did u change copenhagen?
<BetaHound> yes
<BetaHound> now prducing 4 shields.
<Prez_GK> 4 asgard wf sw to ne
<Prez_GK> one less sheield and one less $
<BetaHound> and one more food
<dejon> Can we use E_T's tile system?  #1-#20
<CiverDan> we can move bergen from NE to SSW
<BetaHound> settler still out in three turns
<BetaHound> yes that was the next move - same logic.
<Prez_GK> dejon, sure, but I don't have a copy of it here now...
<BetaHound> 12 bergen wf from ne to w
<Kloreep> GK, you did do the copenhagen WF change, right?
<dejon> Directly N of city is #1, rotate clockwise up to #8, NNE is #9, continue clockwise
<Prez_GK> Kloreep - no. 
<roadcage> 1 is n, 2-8 cw around 9 is ne of 1 then 10-20 cw around
<Prez_GK> 4 bergen wf from ne to w
<Kloreep> Don't we have Bergen workforce on both NE and W?
<BetaHound> I would rather use the number system as well.
<Prez_GK> if you can point me to a copy of it, I have no problem using it.
<dejon> hang on, I see if I can find a link
<Kloreep> I think I have it uploaded... hang on.
<Kloreep> http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Kloreep/work-grid.jpg
<dejon> Thanks, Kloreep
<Prez_GK> bergen worforce in my game is w, n, & e-ne
<Kloreep> Where was bergen's WF before the change?
<CiverDan> NE, ENE, W
<Prez_GK> so looking at the table, it is now at 1, 7 and 11
<BetaHound> 12 bergen's wf should be w, s, e-ne.
<BetaHound> 12 5,7, 10
<Kloreep> You mean 5, 7, 11?
<BetaHound> 12 er 11
<Prez_GK> 4 changing to 5, 7 and 11
<BetaHound> double digist - get you all the time.
<CiverDan> why not 7, 11, 15?
<Kloreep> Isn't 15 is taken?
<dejon> nope
<BetaHound> CD is right, 
<Kloreep> Oh, right, Copenhagen change.
<Kloreep> I think GK missed that one, Beta.
<dejon> blue, baby, blue!
<Kloreep> Yes, but no red.
<BetaHound> 12 Copenhagen wf from 20 to 2
<Prez_GK> 4 cope 20 to 2
<BetaHound> and did you get CD's correction
* dejon is groovin' - Tom Cochrane's "Life is a highway" just came on
<BetaHound> 12 Bergen at 7,11, 15
<BetaHound> and that is it. I will get quicker gents. Sorry.
<Prez_GK> 4 changeg bergen 5 to 11
<Kloreep> Could we move a unit? I want to see if our map will become sellable again.
<roadcage> rl calls, gotta go
<CiverDan> ok
<dejon> cya rc
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<Kloreep> Bye!
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<Kloreep> dejon, could we move Thor NE or S? I think that would enable us to get a few gold.
<dejon> 12 Thor - move NE
<Prez_GK> 4 thor - ne
<Kloreep> Argh... no change.
<dejon> 12 Odin - move E
<Kloreep> That should do it...
<Prez_GK> 4 odin - e
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<MasterZen> :)
<dejon> Hi MZ
<MasterZen> hey guys
<CiverDan> hi
<Prez_GK> he Choma and MasterZen
<Prez_GK> hi, not he
<Prez_GK> FAM, anything?
<CiverDan> i didnt see anything
<Prez_GK> any more dm?
<Kloreep> 12Sell WM to Egypt for 1 gold
<Prez_GK> 4 selling wm to egypt for 1 gold.
<Kloreep> 12Sell WM to Celts for 1 gold
<BetaHound> nope - DM is good
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<opd> lo lo
<BetaHound> hi MZ
<Kloreep> Hi Choma, MZ, opd
<dejon> We got us a veep!
<dejon> Hi ODP
<BetaHound> Hello VP OPD
<Prez_GK> a VP!!!!
<CiverDan> hi opd
<dejon> oops, OPD
<opd> hey guys
<BetaHound> Hi Choma
<opd> apologies for lateness
<MasterZen> hey Beta :)
<Prez_GK> brb - got some more pm asking for how to join...
* mrmitchel sets mode: +ooo Choma MasterZen opd
<Choma> Hello.
<Prez_GK> 4 OK to end turn?
<BetaHound> yes
<Kloreep> 12Sell WM to Celts for 1 gold
<opd> how many turns played?
<Kloreep> opd: Only one turn ended.
<Kloreep> This is 1325.
<dejon> Yeah, SMC isn't moving anything until that settler is ready.
<Prez_GK> 4 sell wm to celts for 1 g
<Kloreep> 12Sell WM to Persia for 1 gold
<dejon> BH - can I get a road at Warrior's Luck #16?  and how quick?
<opd> hmmmn what version we using again?
<BetaHound> one sec
<BetaHound> 1.14
<Prez_GK> 4 and persia
<Kloreep> 12FAM okay to end turn.
<opd> just spent the last hour trying to catch a mouse
<Kloreep> (Germany still won't buy for even 1 gold... guess they already have that hill on the map.
<Prez_GK> FAM ok to end.  DM ok to end.  Military?
<dejon> Awaiting War engineering and setter - no moves.
<Prez_GK> 4 ending turn
<dejon> 12 SMC okay to end
<CiverDan> trond building another archer?
<BetaHound> dejon - 7 turns
<BetaHound> ok by me
<Prez_GK> Persians building lighthouse.  that is all.
<dejon> Ack! Too long
<opd> could I get a save?
<Kloreep> Can we send Odin N immediately to recharge our map?
<Prez_GK> OK.  I will post a save at the end of this turn, OK opd?
<opd> ok
<Kloreep> And moving Thor too right now would be good... anything that will increase the value of our map.
<dejon> Odin will go E, NE next
<Kloreep> Philosophy discovered!
<BetaHound> CD - yes - Trond is building an archer. Is that OK with you dejon? Or would you prefer spearman. Or do we want to produce a pile of warriors for upgrades.
<Kloreep> Germans have it... I don't know who else.
<Prez_GK> DM - any orders?
<BetaHound> Need discussion on Trondhein build>
<Kloreep> 7Germany has a worker; price: 1 gpt and 102 gold
<BetaHound> spear - archer - warriors?
<dejon> Archers we got - spears are short
<Prez_GK> settler?
<BetaHound> Two on the way.
<BetaHound> Warriors for when we get iron?
<Prez_GK> didn't you say you wantet three prior to the war?
<dejon> Hmm. How many cities need two for happiness garrison?
<Prez_GK> all.
<Kloreep> Zulus have philosophy and map making. They put their gold to good use...
<BetaHound> yes - I do want three. But I also don't want us to get surprised.
<dejon> Warriors make for cheap garrison, and can be upgraded once we get the Iron.
<Prez_GK> Warriors lluck stuck at 1 pop.  Cop grows in 17, is size 2 now.
<BetaHound> I leave this decision to dejon.
<BetaHound> spear - warriors or settler?
<dejon> If Warrior doesn't waste to many shields, build Warrior, otherwise build Spear.
<BetaHound> What do the others think?
<Prez_GK> 4 quick pole - 1) warrior 2) spear 3) settler 4 banana
<BetaHound> It is producing 5 shields - aall work.
<opd> 1
<CiverDan> 1
<BetaHound> 1
<Choma> I say 1, though I'm just a plebian.
<dejon> 1
<BetaHound> plebians are good!
<Prez_GK> Choma - you count.  you are here.  that is all that matters.
<dejon> All senators get a vote in such polls.
<Choma> Okay.
<dejon> senators = anyone
<Prez_GK> looks like the 1's have it.  4 trond set to warrior
<BetaHound> 12 Trondheim build to warrior
<Prez_GK> any other DM issues?
<Kloreep> Germans, Persians, Zulus, and Egyptians all have philosophy. If I had to guess, I'd say the Zulus discovered it... that would explain how they have MM and gold to spare.
<BetaHound> one sec - checking....
<dejon> Btw everyone, I welcome input on SMC decisions and plans - I'm new to this.
<Kloreep> Same here. :)
<Choma> Zulu aren't usually known for their technical pursuits, so that is odd.
<Prez_GK> dejon - at least you were not found out to be a heretic in the ptwdg and then had your head chopped off....
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<Kloreep> You were right CD, we should have sold Alphabet to Japan. They've bought it now, and Writing too.
<Prez_GK> first casaulty of the inquisition.... me.
<Kloreep> Hi Donegeal!
<dejon> 7 turns is a bit too long to wait for the road/city... maybe we should start marching now (towards Erdine and Aydin)?
<BetaHound> DM: I'm done.
<opd> how many archers do we have
<Donegeal> hello guys!
<opd> lo don
<Prez_GK> hi Donegeal
<CiverDan> 9
<dejon> 7 archers
<CiverDan> 90 archers
<Prez_GK> OK.  MoW, any orders?
<CiverDan> 9
<dejon> oh, didn't end turn :)
<CiverDan> ok
<Donegeal> I have been away for awhile... what going on?
<BetaHound> dejon - all we need to do is to put a unit on our city site - and maybe two others to block the Otto's from settling there.
<Kloreep> I have to go soon... I only have 15 minutes or so.
<CiverDan> ok
<Prez_GK> OK.  You have a deputy?  CiverDan?
<Kloreep> CD can take over.
<CiverDan> im dep FAM
<Kloreep> Yep.
<Prez_GK> OK.
<opd> how many spears we taking dejon?
<dejon> 12 Move excess archers across river (from Trond, Asgard)
<Prez_GK> please define excess.
<opd> all
<BetaHound> question - are we planning to attack - or just settle a city next to the iron and cows.
<dejon> Forces to remain in Asgard: 1 Spear, 1 Warrior
<Prez_GK> OK.  Move to where?  Bergen?  Or just move west?
<Kloreep> I'd say attack Edrine. :evilgrin:
<dejon> Forces to remain in Trond: 1 Spear, 1 Warrior
<dejon> Stack 'em W of Trond
<Prez_GK> 4 moving stacks to W of Trond.
<dejon> That's it - forces from Bergen can join next turn.
<Prez_GK> OK.  What about thor and odin.
<CiverDan> so that means 5 archers west of trond right now
<dejon> We'll leave an archer defense in Bergen next turn, and use the spear for the stack.
<Prez_GK> 4 archers, 1 spear.
<Kloreep> Yes, Thor and Odin can enable another round of mapwhoring. :)
<Prez_GK> and a worker....
<dejon> 12 Odin - move E, NE
<Prez_GK> 4 odin, e, ne
<Kloreep> Isn't there a warrior NE?
<CiverDan> yes there is
<CiverDan> we cant move there
<Prez_GK> NE... I have somebody there.... you mean N
<dejon> Yes, sorry, N
<dejon> 12 Odin, move E, N
<dejon> Suggestions for Thor?
<Prez_GK> 4 odin - e and n (correction)
<Kloreep> E or NE, I'd say. Get a mountain view.
<Prez_GK> enter the mountains?
<dejon> It's all been uncovered before..
<Kloreep> The Zulus will probably want us out, but that can wait till next turn.
<Prez_GK> violate zulu territory for more map?
<CiverDan> well...we have to move through other's territory..regardless
<dejon> Hmm, into Zululand?
<Prez_GK> NE or E?
<Kloreep> It won't be a rep hit so long as we don't declare war, and I don't think attitude will suffer.
<dejon> Poll: 1) into Zululand; 2) backtrack home
<Kloreep> NE gives us more options for leaving...
<Prez_GK> not in the long run.  In the short it will tick them off a bit.
<Choma> How far into Zululand would we go?
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<Kloreep> Choma: Probably just one tile; then back out again.
<Choma> Ah
<Choma> 1
<Prez_GK> 1
<Kloreep> 1
<CiverDan> 1
<BetaHound> 1
<dejon> 12 Thor - move NE
<Prez_GK> 4 NE
<Choma> Though...if Zulu have Mapmaking they've likely traded their map.
<Kloreep> Hmm... we could get across their territory in two turn.
<Choma> Once across would he be stuck, though?
<CiverDan> yes
<Kloreep> GG. CiverDan has FAM control now.
<Prez_GK> Lets see their reaction next turn.... Any other moves?
<Kloreep> Bye!
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<CiverDan> bye
<Prez_GK> bye
<dejon> Bye
<dejon> 12 SMC Done
<Prez_GK> ok.  FAM orders?
<CiverDan> hold on..gonna check if mapwhore is poss
<dejon> I'll need a new save - I haven't kept up with the FAM trades.
<BetaHound> 12 Rename Copenhagen to Kobenhavn as per recent poll. 
<CiverDan> 12
<CiverDan> what color is blue
<Prez_GK> 4 renaming copenhagen to Kobenhavn
<dejon> Are we allowed to name units?
<BetaHound> 12
<CiverDan> 12
<Prez_GK> dejon - yes.
<CiverDan> just type 12?
<BetaHound> sure - as I look through my Mimister's handbook - page 19.
<Choma> Ctrl+K to get color (at least one way to do it)
<BetaHound> Naming units... the SMC has the authority to rename units 
<dejon> cool.
<dejon> next turn.
<Prez_GK> that is the easiest way.  SMC has authority over SMC units, just like DM has control over DM units.
<CiverDan> 12
<Prez_GK> bad colour CiverDan
<CiverDan> 12
<BetaHound> great - I get to name a worker :(
<Prez_GK> if you want....
<CiverDan> oops
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<CiverDan> 12
<CiverDan> hmmm
<BetaHound> CD - you are making me feel like a pro. :) 
<CiverDan> lol
<CiverDan> grrr
<BetaHound> Thank-ypu. Thank-you.
<CiverDan> 12
<CiverDan> 12
<CiverDan> thats funny
<dejon> ctrl-k first, then 12
<CiverDan> 12
<CiverDan> i just did
<dejon> are you using mirc?
<Choma> Then put a comma, then text
<CiverDan> yes
<Prez_GK> CiverDan - HIT control+K, you get a menue.  type the number of the colour you want, then space then type your text normal
<BetaHound> 12 test
<Choma> Or space, okay.
<CiverDan> ,12
<CiverDan>  12
<opd> 12 dejon can you name a unit after me??????
<CiverDan> grrr
<CiverDan> control-k
<CiverDan> then a box comes up
<Choma> 12,test
<CiverDan> ,12
<Choma> 12another test
<Prez_GK> the Ctrl+K
<dejon> OPD - if the stack is big enough, I was going to give everyone present an honorarium.  :)
<Choma> Just do Ctrl+K, then start typing
<CiverDan> 12
<Choma> Ctrl+K, select 12, type
<CiverDan> 12sfgdfgdfg
<CiverDan> yeah
<BetaHound> hurray!!
<dejon> Yea!
<Prez_GK> :D
<CiverDan> Sell WM to Egypt for 1 Gold
<dejon> lol
<CiverDan> darmn..not in blue
<Prez_GK> 4 Wm to egypt, 1 g
<dejon> CD: You have to do it each time, it doesn't stay
<BetaHound> dejon - can I be Beta, Dog Archer
<Prez_GK> If you have several nations that want WM for 1 gold, you can just list them.
<BetaHound> and I will go back to my old avatar
<opd> can I be opd, dog killer
<CiverDan> ok
<dejon> lol opd
<BetaHound> hehe
<opd> jk sry beta
<Prez_GK> any body else current and can give CiverDan a hand.
<CiverDan> no other maps
<opd> me still w/o save
<CiverDan> (i am on one comp only)
<dejon> 7 Post your unit name requests in this colour
<Prez_GK> I know... I will post shortly.
<Choma> 7Hetman Choma
<Prez_GK> no, that is the colour I set my own text to be so I can see my own regular posts easier.... 
<dejon> CD: Can't get blue again?
<dejon> Oh, sorry GK.
<CiverDan> 12now i am blue
<CiverDan> no other deals
<Prez_GK> it is ok... I can always pick another colour....
<dejon> 5 Names in this colour, noted yours already Choma
<Choma> Okay.
<CiverDan> a german worker is avail thought
<Prez_GK> OK to end turn?
<Choma> 1 gpt and 102 gold for worker still?
<BetaHound> yup
<dejon> 12 SMC Ok to End Turn
<CiverDan> yes
<Prez_GK> qick vote - 1 buy german slave or 2, pass
<Choma> Treasury situation?
<CiverDan> 114 +3 GPT
<Prez_GK> we have +3 gpt and 114 in bank
<BetaHound> no - need money for upgrades when we gey iron.
<dejon> 2
<CiverDan> 2
<BetaHound> 2 - pass
<opd> 2
<Choma> 2
<Prez_GK> 4 end turn?
<dejon> Those germans are lazy anyway
<BetaHound> yup
<opd> lol
<Prez_GK> 3
<Prez_GK> 2
<Prez_GK> 1
<CiverDan> 12FAM OK to end
<Prez_GK> ending
<BetaHound> can we post
<BetaHound> or is everyome OK?
<dejon> I'm a little hungry, but I'm Ok.
<Prez_GK> I will post beginning - already hit end turn... 
<CiverDan> i am ok
<dejon> ;)
<BetaHound> 7 Dog Archer Beta
<Prez_GK> crap - hiathawa demanding mathmatics.
<CiverDan> i se that
<CiverDan> see
<Prez_GK> FAM....
<dejon> Oh no - I was worried about the Iroq
<CiverDan> my gut feeling is give it
<CiverDan> we cant rik war with them
<CiverDan> risk
<Prez_GK> Your department, tell them to fuck off or give it to them?
<dejon> hang on, I'll check strengths
<CiverDan> is that cheating?
<opd> hmmm
<BetaHound> yech - my gut agrees with CD
<dejon> CD: Is it?
<BetaHound> nope - it is available from the f3 screen
<opd> I say give
<Prez_GK> my gut says give it.  Any body else?
<dejon> We're weak to them.
<CiverDan> give
<BetaHound> give
<BetaHound> hehe
<dejon> I think we have to give in this time.
<Prez_GK> 4 giving iroquois math
<BetaHound> We will beat the repayment out of them in due time, dammit.
<Prez_GK> they are polite now.
<BetaHound> gee
<Prez_GK> Zulu want us out.  I will hit appologize for the mistake
<dejon> We could consider just settling the Iron city peacefully and marching that stack north.
<CiverDan> founds good
<CiverDan> sounds
<dejon> No surprise there
<CiverDan> otto demands 24 Gold
<Prez_GK> Posting save.
<Prez_GK> CiverDan - I didn't get that one.
<CiverDan> hmm
<dejon> I don't know what the threat of culture flip is though (Erdine flipping an Iron city).
<CiverDan> im on 1.21
<dejon> CD: Wait for the save
<CiverDan> thats odd..everything else has been the same for me..
<CiverDan> will do
<BetaHound> dejon - not too high.
<BetaHound> Our boredr will get the iron.
<BetaHound> We are still closer to Asgard I believe. 
<dejon> Erdine obviously has a temple already though
<BetaHound> I wonder what the culture difference is - if any?
<opd> 7 HungryOPD.  (just read catch 22)
<BetaHound> yes - but it is the overall culture that matters.
<Prez_GK> I accidently moved one of our archers differently when I hit end turn... perhaps that was it.  I didn't report it as it didn't really make a difference as I was just hitting end turn.... 
<BetaHound> great book
<Prez_GK> poly is slow.  is it uploading.
<Prez_GK> loaded
<BetaHound> dejon - what is the plan for edrine - attack - or just settle?
<opd> I think we have enough for an archer rush?
<Prez_GK> 12 unit name changes?
<opd> http://www.apolyton.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88135
<opd> save there
<dejon> I had hoped to have some swords in the mix from the Iron, but that will take awhile.
<Prez_GK> ooopps... sorry, should have posted that link.
<Choma> How many warriors have we and are they all garrisoned?
<dejon> Archers will do fine right now, but I'm concerned about counter-attack
<dejon> Which is why the two spears are accompanying.
<opd> I think it's a vp job to post saves. It's just that I'm 1.21 ATM.
<CiverDan> i am loaded with new save
<opd> stuck on 38%
<dejon> downloading
<BetaHound> reloaded and set to go.
<BetaHound> I love my new machine. ;)
<dejon> Stats?
<BetaHound> 12 Asgard wf 11 to 1
<Prez_GK> 4 asgard 11 to 1
<BetaHound> 12Trond wf 17 to 4
<Prez_GK> Asgard has a problem... someone else is using 1.
<BetaHound> ack!
<BetaHound> That first one was Bergen - sorry
<Prez_GK> asgard is at 2, 3 & 4 now.
<BetaHound>  Bergen wf 11 to 1
<Prez_GK> 4 bergen 11 to 1
<BetaHound> and then the Trond move
<Prez_GK> 4 trond 17 to 4
<CiverDan> me game froze.:( gotta relaod it
<CiverDan> never mind its ok
<Prez_GK> good.
<CiverDan> just a bit slow
<Prez_GK> any other DM BetaHound
<dejon> CD: happens to us all at times.  BH: get us all new machines, will you?  ;)
<BetaHound> dejon - we have two settlers out next turn - both to the east - or do you want one settling the iron?
<BetaHound> Sure - here is my VISA number ...
<Choma> Should iron not be a priority?
<Prez_GK> 12 brb
<dejon> Bergen's settler to Iron, Asgards to... forest tile inside river?
<BetaHound> Choma - yes - I agree - but I still don't know if we are settling or attacking or both.
<BetaHound> dejon - I concur.
<BetaHound> brb - nature calls.
<dejon> Both, unless I here lots of disagreement.
<dejon> here->hear
<CiverDan> i think we are doing both
<CiverDan> no FAM for now
<dejon> Iroq are polite now, let's use that time to snip the Ottomans further
<BetaHound> back
<CiverDan> wb
<BetaHound> you bunch of warmongers you!
<BetaHound> ;)
<dejon> jeepers, you got a pot right beside your PC?
<BetaHound> close.
<dejon> Deity requires warmongers.  :P
<BetaHound> dejon - I think we should call one unit Carlos Delgado.
<dejon> lol
<BetaHound> he's hammering!!
<BetaHound> spearman goes with each settler?
<Prez_GK> back - OPD Nuclear Master is trying to figure out how to download mIRC and join us.  I gave him some basic directions and told him that if he needs more help I will ask you to contact him (PM's) and help him out.  Hope that is OK.
<opd> have already contacted him
<Prez_GK> 4 OK, any unit name changes?
<BetaHound> Nuclear Master? Master Zen? Or Nuclear Winter?
<Prez_GK> Nuclear Master - a newbee
<BetaHound> Great!
* dejon is now known as dejon_afk
<dejon_afk> Wife is nattering...
<Prez_GK> sorrrrrryyyyyyy
<Prez_GK> hope she doesn't read your note
<opd> will prob post a guide to accessing irc tommorrow
<BetaHound> Does she not know you are a SMC???
<Prez_GK> Beta, did you want to rename some slaves?
<BetaHound> just a sec.
<Prez_GK> ok.
<Prez_GK> FAM - any orders?
<BetaHound> 12 Name the two Ottoman slaves Huey and Louie.
<Prez_GK> 4 Huey and Louie
<BetaHound> 12And the Korean and English ones Frick and Frack
<Prez_GK> crap as they are in a stack I cannot rename them without interupting their work.
<BetaHound> 12 Our worker becomes Oliver.
<BetaHound> later then - no problem.
<Prez_GK> Just remember their names, so that we can name them later.
<BetaHound> k
<Prez_GK> Choma, are you following along?
<opd> lol anyone know where you can get irc for macs
<Choma> I don't have PtW, unfortunately, though I am aware of what the setup is based off of past pictures
<Prez_GK> I though mIRC worked on macs also.
<opd> so the same download then?
<BetaHound> OK gents - what to do with Trondheim again. Warrior? Spear? or Settler?
<CiverDan> we have 4 warriors right now
<dejon_afk> back
* dejon_afk is now known as dejon
<CiverDan> wb
<Prez_GK> I think so, but I don't have a mac so don't sue me if it doesn;t work.  Panag has a mac.  We should ask him.
* dejon is catching up
<Choma> Doesn't seem to be an mIRC client for Mac.  There are other Mac clients available, I am sure of that, but I have no experience with any.
<BetaHound> I remember the issues I had wit mIRC when I first joined. It was all and identd matter.
<BetaHound> CD - yes - and each upgrade costs 40 gold.
<Prez_GK> You can tell him that we will do some research so he can join next time....
<Choma> Are we set for settlers at the moment?  Or are there more locations to expand to?
<CiverDan> we don't need another warrior right now then 
<BetaHound> Two settlers out next turn. 
<BetaHound> One goes east - and one west.
<dejon> Beta - where was the third settler you wanted to go?
<Prez_GK> They can take the place of our spears even if we don't upgrade right a way.
<BetaHound> CD - remember though - soon as we get the iron - warriors will not be an option.
<Prez_GK> we also can found a city to the SE, near the river.
<CiverDan> one other think to note we are current at the allowed unit number
<opd> are the warriors in bergen going to join the stack?
<BetaHound> yes - that is the spot.
<BetaHound> As per the original plan
<Prez_GK> Warriors are an option.  Pillage teh road over your iron.  I do it all the time.
<opd> sorry I mean archers in bergen
<BetaHound> ah - being from Vox - I think I know what you mean ...:)
<CiverDan> :)
<Prez_GK> OK.  Back to the game.  4 any more DM orders?
<dejon> That warrior will allow another unit from Bergen to join our forces.
<BetaHound> oh me - we need a decision on Trondheim
<Prez_GK> you are teh DM.  You decide.  or qickpole
<opd> stlr
<dejon> Spearman, I think, for the the eastern city
<BetaHound> cd?
<dejon> Kobenhaven will need to keep the spear it's building
<CiverDan> hmm...
<CiverDan> settler
<BetaHound> I say spear for now and we can switch to settler if all is calm.
<CiverDan> ok
<dejon> I don't have a problem with settler, but I want to know where it's going.
<BetaHound> 12 Trond to spear.
<Prez_GK> 4 Trond to spear
<BetaHound> se -se - s from Asgard.
<BetaHound> On the ocean - this side of the river.
<Prez_GK> anything else?
<dejon> Ah, good spot.
<CiverDan> where are the archer moving?
<BetaHound> nope from me
<dejon> Okay, back to SMC by committee.  :)
<BetaHound> :)
<BetaHound> sw of WL.
<CiverDan> 8 arch+1 spear correct?
<dejon> I'm thinking Stack W, S, W, to be joined by Spear and Archer from Bergen, Warrior from Trond goes to Bergen
<BetaHound> or w- w of Bergen
<dejon> That would be 2 spears, 6 archers
<BetaHound> yes - a better move.
<Prez_GK> OK.  Rename any units first.
<dejon> any more name requests?
<CiverDan> 2 bergen archers with the stack?
<dejon> No, 1 spear, 1 archer.  leave one archer in bergen, and bring in warrior from Trond for garrison
<Prez_GK> ok.  Give orders in blue please.  Otherwise I am assuming this is discussion, right?
<CiverDan> leave elite in Wl right?
<dejon> 12 Name one archer "Beta, Dog Archer"
<opd> hmmmn we could take edrine then move to that mountain NE,NE of their capital and just pick off the units they build
<dejon> yes, just discussion so far, any other input?
<BetaHound> :) Fierce but loyal.
<Prez_GK> Renaming.
<BetaHound> woof woof woof ... oh sorry. We have opened a bottle of wine here.
<dejon> 12 Name one archer "Hetman Choma"
<Prez_GK> I am wondering if the renaming was a feature of 1.21... I am not getting it now.
<dejon> OPD - did you want "HungryOPD"?
<opd> damn right
<dejon> oh, maybe
<mrmitchel> huh
<opd> the badest unit around
<mrmitchel> did we have an archer naming discussion?
<Choma> But you renamed Odin and Thor?
<dejon> Only appears if unit has movement left
<BetaHound> ah - mrm - welcome back!
<mrmitchel> meh; I'm really just surfing the web
<opd> but seriously do we have a plan for the ottomans
<Prez_GK> Sorry, the menu isn't allowing me the options of renaming units.  I wonder how they got thor and odin named unless they were using 1.21 or I am missing something.
<mrmitchel> I'd give a web link but I fear it might be a serious detriment to the productivity of the turnchat
<BetaHound> opd - good question.
<dejon> plan is to take Erdine and ask for Aydin for peace, or take it by force otherwise.
<BetaHound> I can rename. On the ABC button.
<dejon> along the way we settle an Iron city
<BetaHound> And I am still 1.14
<opd> is it on the advanced hotkeys
<dejon> renaming shows up for me, 1.14
<BetaHound> no - at the bottom, just up and right from pillage
<CiverDan> where are we moving odin and thor?
<Prez_GK> My bad.  I got it.
<Prez_GK> I always used the right click before.
<dejon> Beta, you had "Beta, Dog Archer" and "Dog Archer Beta", which did you want?
<BetaHound> dejon - OK. Go for it. 
<BetaHound> either or
<mrmitchel> Beta Dog sounds appropriate
<BetaHound> both are deserving of numerous milkbones.
<dejon> heh
<Prez_GK> I have Beta, Dog Archer.
<mrmitchel> tie-in to Alpha Wolf; that's a question I've always wondered--where are all the Beta Wolves?
<Prez_GK> Got 3 named.  Any others?
<opd> is hungryopd elite?
<dejon> Got OPD?
<BetaHound> The Alpha wolves fight with each other. While that is going on the beta wolves get to do all the mating. :)
<dejon> We only have only elite, and he isn't seeing this action, sorry.
* opd sulks
<dejon> 12 Name one spear "Mustard Guard"
<Prez_GK> Why not.  better chance of a GL if we use and elete....
<BetaHound> :) lol
<dejon> CD, want one?
<CiverDan> sure
<opd> wait you mean he's not being renamed or not attacking?
<mrmitchel> gl:b:
<dejon> Okay, we'll use him - he's garrisoned in WL.
<BetaHound> what about MrM - ArcherGuy
<Prez_GK> Mustard Guard.
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<Prez_GK> HI E_Tsprdsh
* E_Tsprdsh is now known as E_T1
<opd> ET!!!
<opd> lo
<BetaHound> heh E_T!
<E_T1> hello all
<CiverDan> hello
<E_T1> Hey Doggie
<Prez_GK> OK.  Shall we move the units, or just sit and chat........ :D
<CiverDan> can we move the scouts...i want to map whore again..
* E_T1 scratches BetaHound behind the ears....
<dejon> 12 GK, Name the elite archer in WL, "GodKing's Bow"
<Prez_GK> No thanks.
<dejon> aw
<dejon> I'm done with naming then
<Prez_GK> I will choose to name something at the right time.  Not now, thanks.
<BetaHound> heh - I'm a DM now - if you are going to scratch - please bring a steak bone with you.
<Prez_GK> Where shall I move teh stack, and the loner I moved from WL, etc etc.
<dejon> 12 Move the archer outside WL into WL, and move the Elite archer in there SE, S, W
<dejon> WAIT!
<Prez_GK> waiting
<dejon> Will WL go into disorder?
<opd> anyone play au208?
<E_T1> Hey BetaHound, did you get the save for Game #3, I resent the correct one earlier
<Prez_GK> should't.  nowt with 2 units.
<dejon> With only one garrison?
<CiverDan> it has one sci in there also
<Prez_GK> Lets see, I will move him out first and look at the people.....
* E_T1 gives BetaHound a nice juicy Steak
<BetaHound> yup - just checked my e-mail - it is there along with ptwdg.
<BetaHound> woof woof 
<dejon> That's okay, we'll have enough.  Move the lone archer in and the elite out
<dejon> 12 Move the stack W, S, W
<Prez_GK> 4 I moved the elete SE (on road) and they are still content.
<Prez_GK> he still has movement left.
<dejon> 12 Move the Warrior in Trond into Bergen
<opd> what team you in beta?
<Prez_GK> 4 stack, w, s, w
<BetaHound> Vox - the "information' team. :)
<dejon> Thanks GK, but we'd better leave two units just in case and for defense anyway
<dejon> 12 Move 1 Archer and the Spear in Bergen  - W, W
<Prez_GK> OK.  Stacked moved.  I have 2 archers outside WL.
<Prez_GK> 4 moving bergen stack.
<dejon> 12 Move the vet archer outside WL into WL, move the elite into stack
<BetaHound> 6 archers and two spears in total?
<Prez_GK> Bergen will be in disorder.  Only 1 unit, unless the settler gets built first... I forget...
<dejon> 7 Not both archers from Bergen, right?
<CiverDan> no
<BetaHound> one and one
<E_T1> BRB
<dejon> 12 Move ONE archer and the Spear in Bergen  W, W.  Leave one archer behind.
<Prez_GK> bergen has 1 archer.
* opd is now known as opdafk
<dejon> 12 And the warrior from Trond, if you did that move
<Prez_GK> Stack has 6 archers (1 elete) & 2 spear.
<BetaHound> yup
<Prez_GK> Warrior from trond - to bergen?
<dejon> 12 Yes
<BetaHound> reg or vet?
<Prez_GK> 4 warrior to bergen.
<BetaHound> red one... ;)
<Prez_GK> vet....
<dejon> BH: good question, doesn't matter for now.
<Prez_GK> he was active, adn I already moved him.
<Prez_GK> Odin?
<dejon> Ideas for Odin?  Through tundra around Iroq territory?
<CiverDan> sounds good
<Prez_GK> take a bit, but sounds worthwild unless you wish to use him as a distraction with the ottomans.
<BetaHound> may as well
<BetaHound> no - Iroquois - the next target.
<dejon> Hmm - will they consider a non-mil unit a threat?
<Prez_GK> I see the Iron has a road on it...  the ottomans must have it connected.  Scout can pillage
<BetaHound> not if he is not in their terr.
* mrmitchel sets mode: +o E_T1
<BetaHound> hmm - you are right GK. 
<dejon> Re: Iron road - good, we get iron as soon as the city is settled then.
<BetaHound> Looks like we are just in time.
<BetaHound> yes
<Prez_GK> We attack AFTER it is in our territory, correct?
<BetaHound> up to SMC dejon
<dejon> Yes, or we'd be facing more rushed Swords.
<BetaHound> guys - how much longer we gonna be - Mrs. Hound is restless for dinner.
<dejon> Before we saw that road, timeframe was uncertain.
<dejon> Mine too
<dejon> 12 Odin - N
<Prez_GK> OK.  Lets hurry.
<Prez_GK> 4 Odin N
<dejon> 12 Thor - W
<Prez_GK> w, or NE NE?
<CiverDan> W...we are turning him back?
<dejon> We didn't want to go further into Zululand, did we?
<Prez_GK> Why not.  Their territory is short.  We can cross it and get more map.
<BetaHound> I say go.
<Prez_GK> If they kick us out, we are on the other side.
<dejon> Okay, we can try.  We may get trapped.
<Prez_GK> Disband him later if we must.
<Prez_GK> so, NE NE?
<dejon> 12 Thor - NE, NE
<Prez_GK> 4 Thor - NE, NE
<opdafk> I gotta go guys see you around 1.30 here
<Prez_GK> FAM - your up.
<CiverDan> bye
<Prez_GK> later OPD
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<dejon> bye
<CiverDan> ok...am checking for map whores
<dejon> my dinner is ready  :(
<dejon> Are we playing another turn?
<CiverDan> oops...accidentally ened turn while while checking that..
<BetaHound> my wife turned on the BBQ - which is a bad sign. That is my job. ;(
<Prez_GK> ok.  See ya later.  I think only 1 turn after this one.  I have to go in 30 minutes...
<CiverDan> can someone check civs above Germany to see if we can see map?
<Prez_GK> CiverDan - I will check, which ones did you miss.
<CiverDan> anythign above germany
<Prez_GK> OK.
<dejon> 12 SMC for next turn: Fortify stack, move settler to stack.
<dejon> I'll try to check back.
* dejon is now known as dejon_din
<BetaHound> k 
* dejon_din is now known as dejonEATS
<Prez_GK> 4 egypt - wm for 1 g
<CiverDan> 12 Sell WM to Egypt for 1 Gold
<BetaHound> Maybe we play to next turn when the settlers are produced and then I can work with the save and build queues.
<Prez_GK> Did it.  that was the only one.
<CiverDan> ok
<Prez_GK> OK.  Anything else?  End turn?
<CiverDan> 12 FAM ok to end
<BetaHound> DM is OK
<Prez_GK> 4 ending turn
<Prez_GK> Nothing happened.  Settlers - move them where?
<Prez_GK> Lets call it a night after we do this turn, OK.
<CiverDan> ok
<CiverDan> Bab worker for Poly+Alphabet?
<Prez_GK> we are at -4 gpt BTW.
<BetaHound> 12Asgard settler to se -e
<CiverDan> once we settle we wil be + in GPT
<Prez_GK> 4 Asgard Settler, SE, E
<E_T1> how much is in the Treasury?
<CiverDan> 121 G
<BetaHound> 12 And as acting SMC :) take spearman with him.
<Prez_GK> 122
<Prez_GK> 4 with spear
<BetaHound> ye s- noticed the -4
<BetaHound> 12Bergen settler w-w to join stack
<Prez_GK> 4 join stack
<BetaHound> I would recommend moving all of stack save one spearman due w.
<BetaHound> No need for that kind of defensive force,
<Prez_GK> I was thinking, send the archer from bergen into the stack, fort the warrior, and move the stack W one.
<BetaHound> Let's get closer to our objective.
<Prez_GK> Exactly.
<BetaHound> That sounds good too.
<Prez_GK> Besides, nothing can reach the settler, and it is only 1 move from the stack and its endpoint.
<BetaHound> agreed 100%
<Prez_GK> 4 movements as above.
<BetaHound> Good spot to end ... pllllleaaaseee...
<Prez_GK> GO.
<CiverDan> do we want Bab worker+8 G for Alphabet+Polytheism?
<Prez_GK> I say yes.
<BetaHound> hmm..
<BetaHound> sure - another worker works.
<E_T1> more slaves....
<Prez_GK> Lets see, how much gold and one tec...
<BetaHound> OK see ya guys. 
<Prez_GK> Later BetaHound
<CiverDan> ok
<Choma> Bye
<BetaHound> I will review the save.
<E_T1> later Doggie
<CiverDan> we want to poll that now..or wait to next chat?
<BetaHound> Next chat?
<BetaHound> Thurs?
<Prez_GK> Poly is enough for the worker and the 8 gold.
<BetaHound> bye- will stay logged on.
<CiverDan> i see that
<CiverDan> i like that deal
<Prez_GK> Saturday confirmed.  Thursday I haven't heard from any of the VP's, so I say no.
<Prez_GK> Poly for Slave and 8 gold.  1 yes, 2 no.
<Prez_GK> 1
<CiverDan> 1
<Prez_GK> ok... only 2 votes it is
<Prez_GK> We do it.  Exec decision.
<CiverDan> we need more votes than that IMHO
<CiverDan> though i assume Beta would also say yes
<Prez_GK> you are the FAM.  BetaHound left.  I did it.  Sue me.
<Prez_GK> Exec. Decision.
<CiverDan> i like the deal..so its ok with me
<Prez_GK> OK.  Any other changes.....
<CiverDan> no other FAM riht now
<Prez_GK> Lets move Odin & Thor,
<Prez_GK> 4 Odin - n
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<dejon> allo
<CiverDan> hello
<Prez_GK> Hi dejon
<CiverDan> mwe made the worker deal
<CiverDan> we
<Prez_GK> OK, I moved odin n
<dejon> Moving the stack - bad.
<dejon> ;)
<Prez_GK> I was going to move thor W 1, then see what we see.
<CiverDan> u mean E?
<Prez_GK> :D  me bad pres.  Impeach me.  
<Prez_GK> Yes - east.  Sorry
<CiverDan> sounds fine to me
<dejon> The stack was outside their sight range where it was, now they can see us coming.
<Prez_GK> 4 Thor, e, ne
<Prez_GK> dejon - will be in a city soon.
<Prez_GK> then the AI will relax
<dejon> And once the settler built, we could ride the iron road close in the same time
<Prez_GK> Exactly.
<Prez_GK> New slave?, send to roading toward the iron?  or join a stack?
<dejon> I was going to send a spear/settler to settle first, then move the stack in.
<Prez_GK> sorry.
<CiverDan> i would send to road...but im just the FAM
<dejon> Not a big deal.  Just a small, finer point of strat.
<dejon> Beta?
<Prez_GK> BetaHound is eating.
<Prez_GK> I see the strat with humans, but the AI already knows the stack is there IIRC.
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<Panzer32> hello
<dejon> ah.  I would road to the iron
<dejon> Hi Panzer
<CiverDan> hi fanzer
<Prez_GK> Hi Panzer32.  Just in time for the end of the chat.
<CiverDan> *panzer
<Panzer32> yay :D
<dejon> GK: re: Human/AI - you could be right - I'm thinking MP.
<Prez_GK> OK, another exec. decision - I am moving our new slave to the spot where our settelr now is to connect to the iron faster.
<dejon> good, then we can upgrade the warriors anywhere
<Prez_GK> OK.  Lets check FAM, end turn, save and post.  Any objections?
<CiverDan> no
<dejon> Does anyone think 6 archers/2 spear is overkill for Erdine?  Should we send a branch off to Aydin?
<CiverDan> i am checking map stuff now
<CiverDan> brute force is important..i think
<CiverDan> cant risk bad luck
<Prez_GK> No.  This is deity.  We take it and still have 6 turns befor we can make peace.  We must be strong enough to take it.  Whatever survives goes on.
<Prez_GK> Remember the first american war last game... we only had 6 and took over half of them.  we might get that lucky again.  who knows.
<dejon> True, true.  With the iron road, we can get to Aydin quickly afterwards too.
<CiverDan> 12 WM to Egypt for 1 Gold
<Prez_GK> 4 WM - egypt for 1g
<dejon> brb
<Prez_GK> ok.
<CiverDan> 12 FAM done
<Prez_GK> OK.  I will leave the workers in Asguard and Bergen on settler production as we can change it next turn.  Ending turn.
<Prez_GK> 3
<Prez_GK> 2
<Prez_GK> 1
<Prez_GK> 4 ending turn
<CiverDan> ok
<Prez_GK> nothing happened.  Saving and posting.  Good chat.  Thanks for being here one and all.
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<dejon> back
<dejon> all done?
<E_T1> looks like it
<Prez_GK> yep.  all done
<CiverDan> ok..
<CiverDan> good nite all
<dejon> Okay, next turn, let's roll the Tank on the Zulus!!
<dejon> nite CD
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<Prez_GK> I am posting the save in the one thread, adn will do a report and a new thread for orders tonight for saturday
<dejon> I'll post more specific orders/plans for the next chat.
<Prez_GK> what time works on saturday for most people?
<dejon> I'm open - preference would be morning/afternoon though (EDT)
<Prez_GK> I am thinking afternoon EDT - around 3-4 for the euros to be able to join in.
<dejon> sounds good
<Prez_GK> I will think and post later.  Thanks for the help.  Sorry if moving the stack screwed up your plans.
<dejon> Along with posting orders for discussion, I'll ask for Deputy volunteers, just in case.
<dejon> Not seriously
<dejon> No harm done
<Prez_GK> Thanks.  I hope every minister can find someone to help.
<dejon> Next time I won't stop to eat!  :)
<Prez_GK> I came prepared... I sat here with a bagle sandwich and a 2 liter of coke.  I just had to use the bathroom is all.
<Prez_GK> I forget, how do I save the log in mIRC?
<dejon> top left corner of irc window, check "logging".  You have to have it on all along.
<Prez_GK> I did... I just don't remember where it is saved and so on.  Didn't I have to click on SAVE NOW or something to get it to make a file?  I forget.
<dejon> No, it appends to the file all along.  Just locate the file and post it, maybe edit first.
<Prez_GK> OK.  Thanks.
<Prez_GK> Later.
<dejon> the file would usually be named after the channel, so a search for "civ3dem" should find it.
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