Session Start: Sun May 04 10:12:38 2003 Session Ident: #civ3dem * Logging #civ3dem to 'logs\#civ3demchat2.DALnet' [10:12] damn - that's gotta suck [10:13] NM - his orders are pretty good (as I remember they always were!) [10:13] yup - and hios was only a year old. [10:13] Shall we get it started? [10:13] sounds good [10:13] Let's rock! [10:13] im good to destory. [10:13] aaargghhhhhhhh!!!! [10:13] what? [10:14] Destory. You know - rip a book apart. [10:14] ok.. [10:14] 4Turnchat 2 started [10:14] OK... 4 Worker roads E of Asgard... [10:15] first, can w eofficially name the scouts? [10:15] Sure. [10:15] Make me an order :D [10:16] ranem western scout Thor, eastern scout Odin [10:16] nless u have better names [10:16] dont matter to me [10:16] Go Apolytonia, may the Great Banana smile on us all.... [10:16] 4 Thor and Odin named [10:16] Odin move north [10:17] I thought he was Fenris? [10:17] Uber - you happy with GK's plan for 2 Warriors before a settler in Asgard? [10:17] yea, i can see it working out in the long run [10:17] 4 Odin (East scout) goes N [10:17] moves N [10:18] Iroquois scout spotted! [10:18] i SEE it [10:18] :D [10:18] oh fucking god. [10:18] 4 Contacting them... [10:18] this is so not an archipeligo [10:18] lol [10:18] * Guest38181 is now known as theViking [10:18] Odin moves E when ure done [10:18] ok..Iro has CB [10:18] * GodKing has joined #civ3dem [10:18] They have CB and 85g and two cities [10:18] hello [10:18] and thor moves W [10:18] we have BW and WC [10:18] Hey GK! [10:19] We only just started [10:19] bad day. Some asshole crashed into my car while it was parked in my driveway. Drung fuck. [10:19] drunk, not drung [10:19] we should bea able to get CB from the Iro [10:20] * theViking is now known as Guest16759 [10:20] 4 We can get CB and 85g (all their gold) For WC, or CB and 70g for BW [10:20] what state udo u live in GK? [10:20] * Guest16759 has quit IRC (Quit: ) [10:21] i'd like the former, but im not diplomat [10:21] Detroit, michigan [10:21] And GT can't get here.... [10:22] 15 gold.... for an offensive vs defensive.... sounds worth it to me. [10:22] defensive... er... cultural I mean. [10:22] * BigFree has joined #civ3dem [10:23] Question is - do we want to give them a defensive, securing us from their attacks, or an offensive and leaving them liable to our Archer rushes.. [10:23] What do we figure we can spin to the Ottomans for masonry? [10:23] well..giving them CB will get them Horses earlier [10:23] you mean WC [10:23] and we don't want mounted warriors [10:23] GT's not even online! [10:23] yeah CB [10:23] Does GT have a deputy? [10:24] Uber, aggie: your thoughts are important here. [10:24] As GT doesn't have a Deputy [10:24] i like dan's thought [10:24] giving them WV gets them closer to MWs [10:24] they will get mounted warriors soon enough anyways. I say get the extra gold while we can. [10:24] considering thats their scout..i doubt we are close enough to them to archer rush anyways [10:24] so i'd give them bronze [10:25] Any objections to BW for CB and 70g? [10:25] and since they already have contact with ottomans they will get the other soion enough [10:25] * BetaHound has left #civ3dem [10:25] * UberKruX slaps aggie2 around a bit with a large trout [10:25] how do u know that [10:25] True... [10:25] How do we know that?? [10:26] no one has writing [10:26] we donthave writing to check [10:26] We can't sell them contact... [10:26] so lets get the extra gold.... [10:26] since we can't see contacts, though [10:26] can we sell contacts before writng [10:26] no [10:26] ok they might not have met them [10:26] No objections then? [10:26] * BetaHound has joined #civ3dem [10:27] but they will meet soon [10:27] * Kloreep has joined #civ3dem [10:27] Hi. :) [10:27] no stron objection. Just a preference. [10:27] hi [10:27] Hi Kloreep [10:27] 4 BW to Iroqs for CB + 70g [10:27] He Beta [10:28] Hi GK. Bummer about the accident. [10:28] unless they will get BW in short order fmo ottomans anyways [10:28] what tech do we work on now? [10:28] 4 Iroqs are polite [10:28] fo now.. [10:28] Ya. The cops have the bum locked up. I am just trying to figure out how I am going to go to work for the next couple of days. [10:28] We found the Iroqs? Where? [10:29] gk your insutanc eshould pay for a rent car [10:29] North East [10:29] thats what they did for me [10:29] we cant get masonry [10:29] Research Iron next? Alphabet? [10:29] it was pretty cool i went chasing tornadoes with somebody else car [10:29] Did you catch one? [10:29] iron [10:29] IW to determine if we can set up a city to rach it... [10:29] unfortunatelt not [10:30] Ok then... 4 Change to IW - rsrch in 40 [10:30] but we did go 30mi in 15min [10:30] doh! [10:30] set sci to lowst possible % [10:30] Now, Odin keeps going N? [10:30] no, odin goes E [10:30] :) [10:30] 4 Sci set to 20%, on 3gpt [10:31] 4 Osin E, finds coast and fish [10:31] What turn are we on? Is it possible for me to get up to date? [10:31] *Odin [10:31] only 1 commerce to reasearch [10:31] This is the first Kloreep [10:31] Noe to Thor. [10:31] *Now - jeez I must be still asleep [10:31] thor W [10:31] i am too, dont worry. [10:31] 4 Thor W [10:31] what time is it in kiwiland anagain? [10:32] 1030am Sunday [10:32] lmfao, again. [10:32] fort the warrior..disorder otherwise [10:32] 4Warrior in Asgard stays? [10:32] Sunday? god. i'd have a final tomorrow. [10:32] yes [10:32] fortify [10:32] 4 Ending turn... [10:32] yay culture [10:32] hut [10:33] 4 Culture expands, Iroq scout skirts us and moving vaguely towards Asgard [10:33] did you get my substitute orders for Unortho [10:33] Yes GK - thanks. [10:33] crap, i want that hut lol [10:33] Glad you your self are here tho' [10:33] * Panzer32_supper is now known as Panzer32_inandout [10:33] 7-7-8 from asgard [10:33] goody hut [10:33] I hope you guys get something decent from that hut [10:33] well, i just hope the iroq dont get it [10:33] We can still get it with the next Warrior [10:33] Before the Iroqs [10:34] hopefully [10:34] goodie goodie goody hut!!!! Hope it isn't empty. [10:34] 4 Thor goes W again? [10:34] to quote my friend in a game we were playing last night "maps of the region? you cheap bastards!" [10:34] eh, make it NW, on the mtn [10:35] Heh - 4 Thor goes NW [10:35] More of the same spotted... forests along the river, hills elsewhere [10:35] Odin, NW [10:36] Well, at least it will be good for production when we plant some cities there in a couple thousand years. [10:36] heh [10:36] 4 Odin NW [10:36] More grass [10:36] Odin, N [10:36] N? [10:36] 4 Odin N [10:37] iroq border [10:37] More grass and forest - iroq border tip [10:37] bleh. [10:37] Asgard labourer looks OK... [10:37] How far away from us are they? [10:38] 10 tiles or so [10:38] 4 Science down to 10% - still 39 turns, now +4gpt [10:38] 14 squares [10:38] 4 Turn ends [10:38] can you post save? [10:38] 4 Posting save... [10:38] counting diag as 1.5 that is [10:39] 12Thor: W, Odin: NW whenever you're ready :) [10:39] iro will give 60 for WC [10:39] Thanks CiverDan [10:39] (they have 65) [10:40] Is it worth it? [10:40] ottomans still wont give us Masonry [10:40] We should wait and check next turn to see if they are researching it. [10:40] 4 Save posted [10:40] http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85015 [10:41] Shouldn't we sell WC to them before the Ottomans do? [10:41] We probably have a few turns at least, but I but they'll make contact soon. [10:41] well there are a few turns 5 or so before they meet [10:41] or they will get it from someone else... [10:41] assuming the iriquis scout goes e [10:42] i mean w [10:42] Perhaps we leave it a turn then. [10:42] 4 Thor...? [10:42] 12Thor: W, Odin: NW whenever you're ready :) [10:42] Sounds like a plan. [10:42] Sorry - got it [10:42] 4 Thor W [10:42] no prob [10:42] 4 Odin NW [10:42] HUT! [10:42] HUT [10:42] 4 Odin W then.... I guess? [10:42] 12Odin GOTO hut [10:42] move W [10:43] LOL we need a new feature - Hey Firaxis! We need a GOTO nearest hut command [10:43] What baout N? [10:43] iro are oon the icecap it loos like [10:43] on [10:43] lmfao [10:43] Odin can still move to the hut the next turn, and we'd move onto a forest with only 1 move left. [10:43] Not bad idea Kloreep - what say you Uber? [10:43] they look pinned a bit with there loc [10:43] Kloreep [10:43] unless they have another way out [10:43] goot thinking [10:43] 4th hut. Good. [10:43] odin NW [10:43] Perhaps NW - we can reach hut next turn [10:44] 4 Odin NW [10:44] sounds good [10:44] Boring tundra and forest. [10:44] i just get excited when i see huts :cute: [10:44] NW or N? [10:44] 4 Ending turn.... [10:44] NW [10:44] It went NW Kloreep [10:44] yay warrior [10:44] 4 New Warrior in Asgard [10:45] hmmm..no Iro will give us 90 (out of 90) [10:45] now [10:45] 12 Warrior GOTO Hut NW of Asgard [10:45] Hey, can someone reminde me, what are the commands to zoom in and out... [10:45] z [10:45] "z" [10:45] thanks. [10:45] 12Thow W [10:45] thor* [10:45] 4 Asgard changes to Settler [10:45] 12Odin GOTO HUT. PAR-TAY [10:46] why would Iro give us 90 now instead of 60? [10:46] 4 Change labourer in Asgard to work roaded tile [10:46] they must have given tech to someone! [10:46] they received 35 G [10:46] 4 Odin GOTO Hut - nothing :( [10:46] stupid Gepids. [10:47] * Panzer32_inandout is now known as Panzer32 [10:47] 4/me declares war on the Gepids [10:47] lol [10:47] Yay! 4 Gepids eliminated [10:47] Iro met someone at gave them tach for 35 G [10:47] and [10:47] NOTHING!!!!! That is 3 huts with nothing. What is up with that!!! [10:47] maybe the wheel??!? [10:47] 4 THor goes W [10:48] More forest and grass along river N of Ottoman city - Mt sighted in W [10:48] New Warrior goto hut? [10:48] ja [10:48] maybe that one will be luckier?? [10:48] 4 Warrior N [10:48] would that cause them to offer more for WC [10:48] ? [10:48] 4 Worker starts mine where he is [10:49] Are we city size 2 now? [10:49] 4 Checking Foreign Affairs [10:49] CiverDan: Did you get the 60 figure before or after the BW trade? [10:49] who do we think the iro met? [10:49] We are [10:49] yes. [10:49] Size 2, that is [10:49] they had 65G last [10:49] they have 90 now [10:49] they must have met someone and traded [10:49] hut maybe? [10:49] 35 G? [10:50] yap thT would be 25g [10:50] 25 gold [10:50] lol [10:50] and earn 10 G in one 10 turn [10:50] why would they offer more for the tech though? [10:50] 90 - 65 = 25 [10:50] So they got a but and realised they could pay more than they offered before? [10:50] CiverDan: Did you get the 60 figure before or after the BW trade? [10:50] brb [10:50] after [10:50] Hmm... no idea then. [10:50] good. On track like I figured. This next warrior will take 3 turns. However, I would not be opposed to changing it to a scout if the one warrior will be back in time for the move up to size 3. [10:51] i just realized we should have sent the worker to mine/rd the tile nne of city, he could have mined first, oh well [10:51] so they will offer 90 G fro now [10:51] for [10:51] Back [10:51] Want to do a quick poll on warrior (1) or scout (2)? [10:51] 1 [10:52] I'd say wait one more turn on dealing with the Iroq, then... [10:52] what abotu settler? [10:52] 1 [10:52] Aren't we doing a settler? [10:52] could we do settler in will be completed on time [10:52] we need cities [10:52] GK - we have the Warrior, aren't we changing to settler? [10:52] -> [GodKing] PING [10:53] Did I figure it right? I thought we needed to do two builds prior to the settler? [10:53] We did. [10:53] we have 8 turns to growth,8 to settler [10:53] One Warrior fortified, the other is moving to the hut [10:53] Then my timing is off. Sorry. [10:53] NP. [10:53] Are we leaving the Iroq trade? [10:53] for 1 turn at least it sounds like [10:53] i would but i am just a humble citizen [10:53] go for the gold [10:54] OK... leaving it just one more turn 4 ending turn [10:54] * Donegeal has joined #civ3dem [10:54] same offer..90 g [10:54] yea, so lest place that 4th city already [10:54] Yep. [10:55] haha Uber... [10:55] :P [10:55] Do we name the warriors? [10:55] * Viking1 has joined #civ3dem [10:55] got any good names? [10:55] Hey viking! [10:55] Bob? [10:55] hi [10:56] Grog? [10:56] that might be a bad omen.. [10:56] Almost Scandinavian... ;) [10:56] "Stinker" [10:56] lol [10:56] ANyway, discuss it whilst I'm moving. [10:56] ;) [10:56] Conan [10:56] Warrior goes n? [10:56] yea [10:57] Hagar the horrible [10:57] Conan the Barbarian Killer? Sounds good. [10:57] 4 Warrior N [10:57] Iroq scout to East [10:57] 12Odin NE [10:57] Let's give our units names from the LOTR? [10:57] 4 Odin NE [10:57] 12Thor SW [10:57] 4 ANother river found [10:57] 12Thor W [10:57] 4 Thor SW, W [10:58] settlerstack. [10:58] Here on the battle ship Gandolf..... [10:58] whores. [10:58] so was there a bonus grassland in the Blue cities radius? [10:58] 4 First Ottoman city radius found [10:58] Where is Blue city? [10:58] and settler/spear stack [10:58] Wow, that was fast of the AI. I'm not used to Deity at all... [10:58] North was "blue" city location [10:58] 2 NW of Asgard [10:59] since iriquis a few turns from ottomans we can wait to sell [10:59] There's one bonus W NW NW unless we already knew that [10:59] Sounds fine aggie [11:00] 4 Ending turn... [11:00] 4 Stack heads N, Iroq scout heads s to our border [11:00] Iro..same offer [11:00] They will be exploring to the E of us [11:00] 4 Warrior pops hut [11:00] Burgundians killed [11:01] Stupid nothing huts.. [11:01] was your empty too [11:01] lol [11:01] It was empty??? [11:01] Argh... [11:01] yup [11:01] wtf? [11:01] yap,AGAIN [11:01] 12 Blue city is NW, NW. Green city is N, N. [11:01] I just played it and got Masonry [11:01] what is that? three empty huts? [11:01] 4 Thor? [11:01] 8QuickPoll: should thor 1. scout the ottoman capital spot or 2. do our vest to fuck with the settlerstack? [11:01] 4 [11:01] 5 [11:01] well.i guess we wont be buying workers offf other civs [11:01] ...it's the banana coming back to haunt us... [11:01] 4 empty huts. [11:01] vest = best [11:01] 1 [11:02] Ottomans was 112 g and 1 gpt for ONE worker [11:02] want [11:02] 4? Where did THAT come from? [11:02] I vote 1 [11:02] hard to read... but I say scout and not bother [11:02] in any case, 12Thor NE, N [11:02] i mean odin [11:02] lol [11:02] I'm still a little blind; what was that that Uber asked? ;) [11:02] Ah OK 4 Odin NE N [11:02] Wow, Ottos have TWO workers in their cap this turn? [11:03] Wonder how that happened. [11:03] What? [11:03] Odin can'r do that [11:03] there is a lake there [11:03] Odin's stuck in Mts [11:03] it would be worth it to get extra worker [11:03] ummm [11:03] for 112G AND 1gpt??? [11:03] no [11:03] thats a bit steeep [11:03] Extra pop would the main value, I think. [11:04] It would mostly benefit us... on deity, I doubt it'll make much of a dent in the AI. [11:04] thats seems to be the rate i've seen in my game w/0 the gpt [11:04] isn't odin SE of the lake? [11:04]