Start of #Civ3dem buffer: Fri Feb 14 22:17:04 2003
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<Aro> Well
<Aidun> seems it worked
<Aidun> He got scared of me!
<Aidun> :D
<Aidun> I'll try the other one too
<Aro> hehe
* Aidun slaps Aro_Acting_DM 
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<CiverDan1> hi vlad
<VladAntlerkov> hey all
<Aidun> Hi vlad
<Aro> He's dead, can't feels 
  anyrhing...
<Aidun> Aro, we still can't log
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<Aidun> You see
<Aro> Ok, this will be the channel
<Aidun> it took some time, but he 
  got scared
<Aro> Hi, Vlad
<Aidun> bye
<Aidun> Are we closing it?
<Aro> Only if everyone quit
<Aidun> ok Civerdan, Vlad, quit 
  it!
<Aro> :doitnow:
<Aro> ;)
<Aidun> Perhaps I should slap 
  them too ;)
<Aro> hehe
* Aidun slaps CiverDan1 around a 
  bit with a large trout
* Aidun slaps VladAntlerkov 
  around a bit with a large trout
<Aidun> hehe
<Aro> let me try...
<Aidun> Try with someting larger 
  that just a trout
<Aidun> And heavier
<Aro> Weird... I can't do it
<Aidun> select, rightclick and 
  SLAP
* Aro slaps VladAntlerkov around 
  a bit with a large trout
<Aro> Ah!
* Aro slaps VladAntlerkov around 
  a bit with a large trout
* Aro slaps CiverDan1 around a 
  bit with a large trout
<Aro> Ok, was funnny...
<Aidun> How may times Aro?
<Aro> sorry?
* VladAntlerkov slaps himself 
  around a bit with a large trout
<Aidun> slap Vlad how many tomes
<Aro> 2 times
<Aro> ;)
<Aidun> He's back
<Aro> Well, we'll stay in this 
  room, it's ok
<Aro> Lets wait a little more 
  time, maybe some others came
* Aidun slaps Civerdan1 with the 
  entire Apolyton forum
<Aro> lol
<Aidun> Large, but no heavy
<Aro> I'll make my traditional 
  capuccino before start the 
  chat. 5 minutes
* Aidun slaps Civerdan1 with the 
  Whitehouse
<Aro> lol
<Aidun> Hmmm cappuccino
<Aidun> I have some tea myself
<Aidun> Civerdan1 must be dead 
  now that he doesn't respond 
  anymore
* VladAntlerkov slaps Civerdan1 
  around with Civerdan1
<Aidun> Don't kick a dead horse
<Aidun> it doesn't matter
<CiverDan1> im here
<Aidun> Ha 
<CiverDan1> i was kicking a dead 
  horse :)
<CiverDan1> j/k
<Aidun> civ, stay here please
<Aidun> We're going to andon 
  again, the ghosts are away
<Aro> back
<Aro> I'll do the FAM stuff and 
  post the start save, ok?
<Aidun> Aro, shouldn't we a=bandon
   forst?
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<Aidun> back
<Aidun> Windows 2000 bugged
<CiverDan1> wb
<Aidun> I got to reboot
<CiverDan1> brb...gonna open save
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<Aidun> Aro, are we going to abandon this channel for a while or not?
<Aidun> Hi trip
<Aidun> Buenos
<Aro> No, not necessarely
<Trip> heya Aidey
<Aro> Hi trip
<Aidun> Don't we need to log then?
<Trip> heya Aro
<Aro> I've found a way...
<Trip> log?
<Aidun> Yes trip, turnchats are normally logged
<Aidun> ;)
<Aro> Hmmm... Shiber told to sell 3 spices, but this is all we have...
<Trip> so what's the problem? :P
<Aro> I'll post the save without FAM, and we'll discuss here.
<Aidun> right
<Aidun> BTW: We are with quite a small representation
<Aidun> Just one member of the cabinet
<Aidun> This'll become a long  night here
<Aro> Save posted
<Aro> Download it, guys... ;)
<Trip> I don't have Civ 3 installed ;P
<Aro> lol
<Aro> Just PTW
<CiverDan1> 105 shield/turn in ferropolis..nice..
<Aro> Downloaded already??
<CiverDan1> *150
<CiverDan1> i have it open in 1.29
<Aidun> downloading...
<Aro> The correct save is here: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1728987&t=2763
  #post1728987
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Start of #Civ3dem buffer: Sat Feb 15 04:44:28 2003
* Now talking in #Civ3dem
<Aro_Acting_DM> Sh*t!
* Trip is now known as Trip_Acting_Idiot
* Aro_Acting_DM is now known as Aro
<Aro> Kicked again
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Aro, do you know what roadcage means with Tassagrad worker reception 
  festivities up to 4 tiles 
<Aro> Let me check
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :P
<Aro> Check the joncnunn orders first
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> This is slowly learning
<Aro> Joncnunn said:
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I think I'll try making an icon for the ISDG
<Aro> Integreate 5 French slaves to Arcadia this turn or if they are busy improving tiles this 
  turn, then next turn.
<Aro> Integerate 2 Bab slaves to Llasha this turn or if they are busy improving tiles this turn, 
  then next turn.
<Aro> Integerate 5 natives to Berlin next turn after the Market Place completes and Berlin has 
  grown to 6, bringing it's pop up to 11.
<Aro> Those are the orders.
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> ok
<Aro> 4Important:
<Aro> 4Maintaign a 24 native Appolyon worker reserve for polution control and remaining public 
  works. (This leaves only 19 adviable for joining cities.)
<Aro> Ok, Aidun?
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> ok
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> first time is always difficult
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> ;(
<Aro> Sorry, aidun.. I'll do it next turn
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> seem good plan
<Aro> hehe
<Aro> When you finish, post the save. :)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :O
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> I'll do so
<Aro> What, Trip? ;)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I don't know :D
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I'm just bored
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> and slightly off in the head
<Aro> Sorry... we need a new DG
<Aro> This part of the game is boring
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> yep
* Trip_Acting_Idiot snores
<Aro> I always quit my games after build UN
<WaxTadpole> Without war turns should be reasonably short
<Aro> there's a lot of DM stuff, Wax
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<Aro> Wars with railroads are fast! :)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> bah :P
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> railroads == cheating
<Aro> Ah, those good old times...
<WaxTadpole> I should've capitalized reasonably... :)
<WaxTadpole> Or not used the word 'short'
<Aro> hehe
<Aro> CiverDan, could you save a log of this chat?
<Aro> When I was kicked, I lost the buffer
<WaxTadpole> AFter looking at the starting position, I'm just amazed at how this game turned out
<Aro> Yep, you have to thanks Trip!
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> hehe ^_^
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> hopefully I'll be able to do the same for the IS DG
<CiverDan1> never done that before aro
<Aro> ?
<CiverDan1> iI dont know how to save the log
<Aro> Oh, the log...
<Aro> In the window of chat, click the little icon
<Aro> left to #Civ3dem
<Aro> Then click buffer, save as,
<CiverDan1> i dont see one..
<CiverDan1> is it because im not in IRC?
<Aro> Oh, 
<Aro> It's this
<Aro> Maybe Aidun is in the mirc
<WaxTadpole> in Mirc, it's the little icon, then logging...
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> no ops in here?
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<Aro> Nope
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> who is an op here?
<Aro> Who opens the chat, I suppose...
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> really? :P
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I think UberKrux originally registered the channel...
<Aro> The legendary Uber...
<Aro> It's time to a new game, IMO
<Aro> We should go for a diplo victory and start a new one
* Trip_Acting_Idiot shrugs
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> sounds like people want a space victory
<Aro> We'll make a poll, for sure...
<WaxTadpole> I have to agree there...it's not a question of winning, just deciding on how
<Aro> another poll... ;)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> start a new game :P
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> no need to keep going
<Aro> I'm for a diplo victory OR a war with Japan
<Aro> With a "D Day" and all the stuff! ;)
<WaxTadpole> The logistics of invading them are ugly to my untrained eye
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> hehe
<Aro> No reason to continue to space ship, too much time...
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I agree
<CiverDan1> or we go for a domination win...though that means a lot of war turns
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> should just finish the game right now
<WaxTadpole> Not impossible, just clumsy...it will take forever to reinforce the first wave
<Aro> Well, with war we have interested people, for sure
<CiverDan1> true
<WaxTadpole> good point, Aro
<Aro> But we have to finish the game for the records, not just quit
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> invade Japan and finish them off! :D
<Aro> I agree with that!
<Aro> Arnelos will be the SMC, he can do it...
<Aro> IF he wants... :D
<CiverDan1> why not conquer our continent first?
<Aro> Anyway, manage 50+ cities and 70 workers, and the WF, Q's, it's boring
<WaxTadpole> THAT would have been the proper reason to take Hamadan...We could supply a Japanese 
  invasion far easier from a spot on the coast just northwest of there. 
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> hehe
<WaxTadpole> Wish I would've thought about that during the poll
<Aro> Agreed.
<Aro> Btw, Hamadan stills there...
<Aro> Not for long
<WaxTadpole> True...and it would take forever to get arty there
<CiverDan1> I'm willin to go along with a UN win....assuming we make sure we cant lose it...
<Aro> The roadcage plan is very good
<Aro> Make MPP's one turn before the UN with every civ and goes to war with Japan
<Aro> Or something like that ;)
<WaxTadpole> Most things with 'roadcage' and 'plan' in the same sentence are good
<WaxTadpole> He's very devious
<Aro> Yep, that guy have a lot of good ideas! :)
<Aro> Aidun is working hard, the integration plan is complicated... involves the WF, slaves, 
  native workers...
<Aro> And the orders are detailed: 2 French workers in this city, 2 babs and 1 german in that 
  one...
<Aro> hehe
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<Aro> Hi, Hot_Enamel
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> heya Enamel boy :D
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Aro, doing spiffors turns
<Aro> K
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> his orders are for maximal growth, is that ok?
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> pop growth...
<Aro> Ok
<[GOW]Hot_Enamel> Sorry - Hello all
<Aro> Growth and development
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> BTW there are no but 30 workers left, everybody requests workers to integrate, 
  do I have to make my own choice?
<Aro> just a sec
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> There are too less workers to satisfy everybody...
<Aro> And we have to keep 24
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Yes I know
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> What shall we do with the 6
<Aro> so, we have only 6 workers left?
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> to integrate
<Aro> Let me check
<Aro> 1 min
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<Kloreep> Hi.
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Hi kloreep
<CiverDan1> hi kloreep
<Aro> 4Any possible Spare slaves, the possible spare native worker and any additional ones 
  acquired may be joined to cities which would produce 3+ commerce per tile.
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> I'm doing the DM stuff for the first time
<WaxTadpole> hi kloreep
<Kloreep> Cool. :)
<Aro> Kloreep!
<Aro> Aidun, did you see those orders?
<Aro> Upper apolyton or Old france, maybe
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<Trip_Acting_Idiot> heya ET
<E_T_busy> hi
<Aro> Aidun is training... ;)
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Yes Aro, but only 6 are left to integrate after I finished Joncnunns orders. In 
  just ONE of my own cities I could already integrate 6 while producing 3 lpt
<Aro> Hi, E_T
* E_T_busy slaps Trip_Acting_Idiot around a bit with a large trout
<Kloreep> I know Geofront gets three slaves, and I think that's it for Upper Poly.
<Kloreep> Hi E_T
* Trip_Acting_Idiot slaps E_T_busy around a bit with Hans Blix
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Hi ET
<Aro> hehe
<Kloreep> lol
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Aro?
<E_T_busy> hi guys
<Aro> Aidun, you can distribute this in three cities
<Aro> One in your region,
<Aro> one in Old France
<Aro> and Old german or Upper Apolyton
<Aro> Is it ok?
<Aro> Aidun?
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> I prefer adding all 6 in old germany, Old germany needs them most and can have 
  a higher production then instead of high popgrowth rates
<Aro> Great, Aidun
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Ok finishing it
<Aro> You'll be a great DM, I can see... 
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> BTW, I'll use natives
<Aro> You can, if you keep those 24
<Aro> There's aplan about a worker factory to feeds the cities...
<Aro> Did you see this Aidun?
<Aro> The turn after Berlin's Hospital completes,join 8 native workers bringing Berlin up to pop 
  19, working all tiles once it naturally grows to 20. (shift any nearby city workers out of 
  Berlin's CR at that time.) Convert sufficent mined plains tiles in Berlin to irrigated plains 
  to prevent a food shortage. 
<Kloreep> A worker factory would be awesome.
<Aro> Aidun?
<Aro> I agree, Kloreep
<Aro> 4Aidun?
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> yes
<Kloreep> Speaking of which, I bet Oak Ridge could became a second worker factory. Hmm...
<Aro> Good.
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Berlin is already 19 now
<Aro> I'll need that, 'cause we spent our last worker now...
<Aro> ;)
<Aro> joncnunn will kill me! lol
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> 24 left now
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> gonna do the PW
<Kloreep> I'll fire up civ and see if it's possible. I think it is, since it's all grass.
<Aro> Aidun, see this:
<Aro> The turn after Berlin's Hospital completes,join 8 native workers bringing Berlin up to pop 
  19, working all tiles once it naturally grows to 20. (shift any nearby city workers out of 
  Berlin's CR at that time.) Convert sufficent mined plains tiles in Berlin to irrigated plains 
  to prevent a food shortage. 
<Aro> This will be in 4 turns, I guess
<Aro> But we don't have any workers...
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Aro, see this:
<Kloreep> What year is it?
<Aro> 1385
<Aro> What, Aidun?
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> The turn after Berlin's Hospital completes,join 8 native workers 
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> that is what I did,because the hospital was completed
<Aro> k
<Aro> Thanks, aidun
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Any other suggestions before I start on PW?
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> you're welcome
<Aro> Rushes only after one shield, right?
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> ?
<Aro> No rushes now, ok?
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> after having produced 1 shield?
<Aro> at least one shield
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> otherwise it's more expensive...
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> I know'
<Aro> thanks 
<Aro> PW stuff, now... ;)
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Aro, you havn't done the rushes already?
<CiverDan1> well...im out..night all
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<Kloreep> Oak Ridge might be able to be an ideal worker factory post-factory and post-police, but 
  I can't tell...
<Aro> Not in this turn, Aidun
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> ok
<Aro> I'll check
<Aro> No rushes this turn, maybe in Uber isle...
<Kloreep> Anyone know how much a Police Station cuts down on corruption? (W/ a courthouse already 
  in the city)
<Aro> We could rush Police station inShiberport
<Aro> I don't know, Kloreep
<Aro> Shiberport has a court already
<Aro> brb
<Aro> So... Should we try to plant a spy in Japan?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> how did the colonization of Uber Isle go?
<Aro> Shiber posted it in the orders
<Kloreep> Trip: You mean back when we didn't have it settled?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> yep
<Aro> Uber Isle is very developed now, but has lots of corruption
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I left right before we explored it :D
<Kloreep> Yes. It wasn't so corrupted till the recent palace move.
<Aro> Yep. :(
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> how was it colonized?
<Kloreep> I don't remember the exact details, but I think we got it producing its own settlers.
<Aro> Ghengis prpposed a plan
<Kloreep> Since we didn't sell our maps till it was settled & templed, the AI didn't have a 
  chance to build a city on it; it's always been ours.
<Aro> :)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> impressive
<Kloreep> Man, we've come a long way... that goes without saying, but I'm still surprised what's 
  happened since the first arrow was sent against Abe.
<Aro> A great game!
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> after America fell I knew that we'd win
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> no need to stick around and worry about it ;P
<Aro> The next one, we should play deity
<Kloreep> Really? I didn't.
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> the only problem we had was the initial phase
<Kloreep> From my perspective, it was after Persia fell that the game was over. (Just in time for 
  me to start being active in it. ;))
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> the whacking of America secured our victory
<Aro> I agree with Trip
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> I've finished it, posting
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> weakening our nearest neighbor
<Aro> Thanks, Aidun
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> getting some land, luxuries, etc.
<WaxTadpole> A fantastic effort to that that awful start into what it's become
<WaxTadpole> *turn that
<[GOW]Hot_Enamel> The first war is usually what makes or breaks you
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> against a human Apolytonia would have ended the game a long time ago
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> and probably not the good way ;)
<Aro> hehe
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> let's just hope New Apolytonia will have a better starting location
<WaxTadpole> I guess it could have been worse (Irog), but not much
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<ACTING_DM_Aidun> 4 save posted
<Aro> loading
<Aro> loaded
<Aro> 4FAM orders
<Aro> 4Intelligence Agency project complete. Attempt to plant a spy in Japan. If the operation 
  does not succeed, try again next turn (but never try planting a spy twice during the same 
  turn). Repeat this order until the operation succeeds.
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Aro, I'm getting a bit sleepy now and its 3:45 here do you mind if I leave at 
  4:00 CET?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> 3:45 am?
<Aro> It's ok, Aidun, thanks a lot
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> yes
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> ouch
<Aro> Thanks, aidun. Get some sleep, man. See you!
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Ar, not so fast
<Aro> 4we now have a spy in Kyoto!!!
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> This was your last chat as president
<Kloreep> Yay! :)
<Aro> i'll open the military advisor. Just a sec
<Aro> 4 28 workers, 1 warrior, 2 archers, 40 spearmen
<WaxTadpole> Uhoh...40 spearmen. That's a lot
<Aro> 42 sword, 2 horse, 13 pikes
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> 12 And I want to say that I have enjoyed to serve you and that I hope to be in 
  the executive with you again. Perhaps in a new SPDG?
<Aro> 4 2 swords
<Aro> Maybe... :)
<Aro> Thanks! :D
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> Anyway, bye
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> byebye Aidun!
<Aro> bye!
<ACTING_DM_Aidun> CU all tomorrow
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<Aro> 4 16 rifles, 14 inf, 36 cav
<Aro> 4 18 ironclads!!
<Aro> 4 one samurai... hehe
<Aro> 4 7 frig, 5 galley, 9 catapult. It's this
<Aro> I agree, Wax... 40 spear it's a lot of troops...
<Aro> Well, let me try to sunk some Japs
<WaxTadpole> that was meant as kind of a joke...but they have enough defensive strength to make 
  an invasion need to be planned reasonably well
<Aro> 4 Our destroyer is close the Jap fleet. Shoul we attack?
<WaxTadpole> how many ships do they have hanging around?
<WaxTadpole> It would be a shame to lose the DD for three ironclads
<Aro> Let me check
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<Trip_Acting_Idiot> heya Dejon
<dejon> Hi
<dejon> Brief break from Valentine's evening...How's things here?
<Aro> 4  1 Ironclad, 2 frig 1/4, 2 galleys 1/4 and 1 galley 4/4
<Aro> Hi, dejon
<Aro> 4 seems risky
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> valentine's is evil!
<WaxTadpole> Sure...smack em around... 
<Aro> Our fleet isn't so powerful
* Trip_Acting_Idiot changes topic to 'UNHAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY!!! MUAHAHAHAHAAAA!'
<Aro> k, I'll attack with the destroyer. Is it ok?
<WaxTadpole> I would hope a better voice than mine would be added to yours on this
<Aro> 4 attacking jap fleet with destroyer... yes or not?
<E_T_busy> Attack, kill the Japs :p
<E_T_busy> yes
<dejon> sure, smoke em
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> DESTROY THEM ALL!!!!!
<Aro> 4 Attacking
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> MUAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
<dejon> Where did Aidun go?
<Hot_Enamel> I'd just bomb them
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> Aidun went to sleep
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> 4am where he is :)
<dejon> ah
<Aro> 4 wow! destroyer sunk, 1 hp left
<Hot_Enamel> Too Late :)
<Hot_Enamel> Ha
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<dejon> How much did we spend in rushes so far?  :D
<Aro> 4 the destroyer need to be healed
<Aro> Not much...
<E_T_busy> we lost teh destroyer??
<Hot_Enamel> Destryoer Sunk ?? 
<Aro> No!
<Aro> Ironclad sunk, japan
<dejon> destroyer seriously wounded...limping back to port
<Aro> Our destroyer is damaged, but floating
<E_T_busy> wheh :releif:
<Aro> 4 back to port
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :P
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> just a destroyer :P
<Aro> 4 we have two transports... Should we...?
<Aro> We can chase the fleet...
<Kloreep> Trip: We only have a few right now. We are seriously underpowered navally.
<Kloreep> And I'm back, briefly... been on the forum.
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> bah :P
<Hot_Enamel> Chase them yes .. Suggest no attack
<Aro> Why not?
<dejon> Not enough navel link to go around? :P
<dejon> lint
<Aro> 4 chasing japan fleet
<Aro> But don't attacking
<Aro> 4 Japan fleet two tiles away
<Aro> 4 keeping position
<Aro> 4SMC done
<Aro> Now, DM stuff... :(
<Aro> See you in 1/2 hour, guys... lol
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :D
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> byebye Aro!
<dejon> what year is it?
<Aro> Dejon, are you the acting DM...?
<dejon> no.
<Aro> 1385
<Aro> Ok, I'll do it
<dejon> I'll have to go shortly - wife is "powdering up" for part two of the evening
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<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :\
<Aro> 4Doing DM orders
<WaxTadpole> ::shakes the dust off:::
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> Valentine's day is such a horrible day
<WaxTadpole> I've never much of a naval guy anyway...no more opinions on naval issues
<dejon> Ack - I've been discovered!  :P  Gotta go - have fun guys!
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> eek >_<
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> bye Dejon :P
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<WaxTadpole> he wasn't our spy in Japan, was he? :)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :D
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> it may be too late to save him!
<Kloreep> Quick, research advanced flight so we can pull him out! ;)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> if the female guards have him nothing can help!
<Aro> 4 FAM done, DM done and SMC done. Ending turn in 1 min
<Aro> 4 objections?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> yes!
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> er, wait
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> nevermind
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> don't mind me...
<Aro> hehe
<WaxTadpole> If female guards have him, I propose a badly planned rescue mission...no objection 
  to ending turn
<Aro> 4 ending turn
<WaxTadpole> I love seeing what the other civs are up to
<Aro> 4 the japan fleet moves to East
<Aro> 4 the English have requested an audience...
<Aro> 4 Embargo vs romans. No way!
<WaxTadpole> hmmm...
<WaxTadpole> I guess she figured the worst we could do is say no
<Aro> 4Hamadan stills there... pop reduced to 7
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<Aro> 4 DM stuff first... volunteers? ;)
<Kloreep> Actually, I can do it. :)
<Kloreep> Do you want me to?
<Aro> Thanks, I'm posting the save now
<Aro> Of course I want! :D
<Kloreep> All workers are integrated, right?
<Aro> 4save posted, Kloreep
<Aro> yep
<Aro> What we have is our reserve of 24 workers
<Aro> Hmmm... We can bombard the japan fleet from El Duderino...
<Kloreep> Okay... anything they need to be used for?
<Kloreep> Because Oak Ridge might be able to start pumping out workers this very turn.
<Aro> Some minor improvements, i think
<Aro> No pollution at all
<Kloreep> Okay... any idea how many? The Oak Ridge project'll take 10 workers.
<Aro> Oak ridge?
<WaxTadpole> hehe...our Oak Ridge project is very different from the last
<Aro> Let me check
<Kloreep> I think Oak Ridge can be turned into a worker farm, producing 1 worker a turn AND 
  remaining steady at pop 11.
<Aro> But we should discuss this with joncnunn
<Aro> I agree with you, but we have to change the Q
<Kloreep> Yes, probably.
<Kloreep> Also, I had my timing wrong. the Factory has to complete, which will happen NEXT turn.
<Aro> We should propose this for the next turnchat
<Aro> right
<BetaHound> Hi guys - I'm still here.
<Aro> Hi, beta! :)
<BetaHound> Was having valentine's dinner with my wife
<Kloreep> Hi Beta
<BetaHound> whi now wants to go to bed
<BetaHound> what can I say
<Kloreep> Aro, should I do the rushes Spiffor requested in old Germany
<Kloreep> ?
<Aro> Yep,
<Aro> If there's at least one shield. yes.
<BetaHound> Aro - congrats on a great presidency!!!
<Aro> Thanks, Beta!
<BetaHound> Good night all.
<Kloreep> Bye.
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> byebye beta!
<Aro> 'night, doggie
<BetaHound> woof
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<Aro> brb... pause for p*ss
<Kloreep> Courthouse rushed in Berlin
<Kloreep> How do you get that red?
<Aro> ctrl k, 4, then the text
<Kloreep> Ah. Thanks.
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<Aro> ctrl k + 12 = blue
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> heya Nimitz
<Nimitz> hey
<Aro> Hi, Nimitz
<WaxTadpole> howdy Nimitz
<Kloreep> And should I use Spiffor's queue changes? It seems pretty complete already to me; did 
  joncnunn override?
<Nimitz> acting justice here
<Kloreep> Hi Nimitz.
<Nimitz> any con delemas through them here
<Kloreep> 4 Courthouse rushed in Neo Leipzig.
<Kloreep> 4Aqueduct rushed in Bremen.
<Aro> 12 the Japs can give us 37 L + 6 Lpt for peace... :D
<Aro> 12 No way!! lol
<Kloreep> 4Courthouse rushed in E-Town.
<Kloreep> Aro, did joncnunn override Spiffor's Berlin queue?
<Nimitz> so kloreep over through you Aro
<Aro> Hmmm
<Aro> I don't know, I'll check
<Kloreep> No, lol. I'm doing the DM stuff for Aro, then he takes the save back.
<Kloreep> Ah, found it, NM. He did.
<Aro> 12 from joncnunn: Vetos:
<Aro> Berlin 
<Aro> Change from R.G's Market(1), Court, Col, Pol St, Lib, Hosp to:
<Aro> Market(1), Court, Hosp, Lib, Univ, Pol St, Col
<Aro> But we can't build Hosp in Berlin, I don't know why
<Aro> Maybe the pop?
<WaxTadpole> no aqueduct?
<Nimitz> hmm the electgion leans twords vondrack
<Kloreep> Berlin HAS a hospital (and is at pop 19).
<WaxTadpole> That's a pretty good reason
<Aro> Berlin has Hosp already, lol
<Kloreep> Odd... must have been captured with the city.
<Kloreep> Yeah, I think I remember the hospital was one of the few surviving structures.
<Aro> Wealth can drop out
<Kloreep> E-Town has more pop than Spiffor planned on. I guess I get to assign the extra workers.
<Aro> Ok
<Kloreep> Are you granting any Old France rush requests?
<Aro> We have 9 slaves... 
<Aro> Just a sec
<Aro> You can rush all, including the harbor in los alamos 
<Kloreep> Syracuse's growth seems to have been delayed, so WF will need to be delayed to next 
  turn.
<Aro> k
<Kloreep> 4Library rushed in Hole in the Wall
<Kloreep> 4Courthouse rushed in Syracuse (Aqueduct and Cathedral have been switched in queue, but 
  I figured it should be rushed anyway).
<Aro> If thre's one shield, go for it!
<Kloreep> 4Library rushed in Roadivostok
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> Roadivostok? o_o
<Aro> After all, all we have to do is build. ;)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> who named that, Tass? :P
<Aro> From roadcage... 
<Kloreep> Probably named after roadcage. And since it's in formerly Russian territory...
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> bah :P
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> one or the other
<Aro> yep
<Aro> hehe
<Aro> Trip seems a little bored... ;)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> bah :P
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I'm terribly ill and can't do anything
<Aro> hehe
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> so I'm stuck here :P
<Aro> Oh, sorry!
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> yes :(
<Kloreep> 12joncunn orders 4 persians joined to Termina, 2 frenchies to PoWIA
<WaxTadpole> I guess if PoWIA is ever destroyed, we'll call it Port of Where It Was?
<Aro> We have 9 slaves
<Kloreep> No, wait, that's delayed a turn.
<Nimitz> lose 'em
<Kloreep> Err... PoWIA doesn't have a harbor, which is conditional to the slave joining. So I 
  guess we put that off too...
<Aro> Some of those slaves are working
<Aro> k
<Kloreep> Question: How can it be a port if it doesn't even have a harbor? ;)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> LoL
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> shhh
<Aro> hehe
<Nimitz> lol
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> do not question the powers that be!
<Aro> lol
<Nimitz> MrWIA
<WaxTadpole> Coastal City of Where It Isn't?
<Nimitz> to much power
* Kloreep disobeys his own orders! :eek: ;)
<Nimitz> thats good
<Kloreep> Missed an extra commerce opportunity...
<Aro> Details... ;)
<Aro> We're making so much money, shields and food!
<Hot_Enamel> Gotta Go - bye all
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<Nimitz> bye
<Aro> Bye, Hot_Enamel
<Aro> too late... :)
<Kloreep> Okay, CP done. Whew. Just PW...
<Aro> Anyway, at this point we're making much of all
<Aro> I'm checking for deals
<Kloreep> Hmmm... Uber Island workers have nothing to do.
<Nimitz> garrasin them
<Kloreep> 4Destroyer automatically moves to Port of Malignance while I click the wait button...
<Aro> To heal
<Kloreep> Yeah, I figured, just thought I'd mention it.
<Kloreep> And I garrisoned the Uber workers in Boomtown, so if there's pollution on Uber, look 
  there.
<Aro> We can sell Atomic theory to Babs for 31Lpt + 45 L
<Aro> k
<Aro> The Babylonian deal seems good. I'll do it...
<Kloreep> Okay, I think that's it for DM. Saving...
<Aro> 4Thanks a lot, Kloreep
<Aro> There's one deal in the FAM department, and some chasing to the Japs.
<Kloreep> Posting. BTW, there's one more worker on Uber that should be fortified. Or, you might 
  consider carrying a few Uber workers to the main continent on the next transport.
<Kloreep> Posted. :)
<Aro> loading
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<Kloreep> Well, I guess I should go vote in the IDG. :)
<Kloreep> Hi roadcage.
<roadcage> hi
<Nimitz> hey
<roadcage> thought this was going to be saturday
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> heya roadcage
<Aro> Some error in the file... trying again
<Kloreep> Argh... tough choice.
<roadcage> hope we are not still building banks
<Kloreep> roadcage: in some places, yes.
<roadcage> There aren't enough turns left in the game to pay them out
<Kloreep> You mean by UN or by spaceship?
<Kloreep> Any luck, Aro?
<Aro> Kloreep, I can't load the save.
<Aro> Are you with 1.21, right? Could you post it agai with other name/
<Kloreep> Yes, 1.21. Also, I just downloaded it off poly to a second name, and it seems to be 
  loading fine...
<roadcage> Doesn't matter
<Aro> weird... I'll try again
<roadcage> We will be high sci the rest of the way and have huge trading cash flow
<Aro> No luck. :(
<Kloreep> Weird. I'll try uploading it again.
<Aro> Try to save it again, and then post...
<Aro> DataIO operation System:BINF. That's the error
<Aro> I don't know what this means... ;)
<Kloreep> Posting...
<Aro> Thanks, Kloreep
<Kloreep> It's a new save, so hopefully it'll work.
<Aro> I hope so
* Kloreep kicks his dial-up connection.
<Aro> hehe
<Nimitz> lol
<Kloreep> Wow... I didn't realize Here It Is was such a shieldmonger.
<Aro> Great avatar, Kloreep. Is it your cat?
<Kloreep> Aro: Yep.
<Kloreep> And thanks. :)
<Kloreep> There we go, save posted.
<Aro> you're welcome :)
<Aro> It works! :)
<Aro> save loaded
<Nimitz> yaaaa
<Aro> 4FAM orders
<Aro> 4Atomic theory to Babs for 45L +31Lpt
<Aro> 4 total: 665L
<Aro> 4 FAM done
<Kloreep> Cool. :)
<Aro> Unless we make peace with Japan...
<Aro> 4No way!
<Aro> :)
<Kloreep> Kybrd ccident
<Aro> 4Bombarding (with arty at land) Jap Frig near El Duderino. 1 hp left
<Aro> 4moving Ironclad  NE
<Aro> 4 should we attack the Vet Jap Galley with transport?
<Aro> I don't trust transports to attack, but...
<WaxTadpole> Too much to lose to try sinking a galley
<Aro> You're right
<Aro> So...
<roadcage> That galley is empty. It's the one that landed on Uber
<Aro> 4SMC done
<Aro> 4 ending turn in 1 minute
<Aro> objections?
<WaxTadpole> none
<Aro> roadcage?
<roadcage> yes, we have too muych cash we have not been rushng enough
<Aro> Let me check
<Aro> Hmmm... Shortage in Napoleton
<Kloreep> Thats intentional
<Kloreep> Hospital completes sooner
<Aro> k
<Kloreep> Ugh... never spill anything jelly-like on your keyboard. not fun
<roadcage> have almost 12k, not sure what to rush but there's gotta be something somewhere
<Aro> We can rush some Pol in Uber
<Aro> Around 1400 L, all rushes
<Aro> Let me check and have an exact number
<roadcage> I am not saying we need to consume our hoard, just keep it from getting too big
<roadcage> Look across old Germany, we should be dumping in units and rushing Berlin every turn
<Kloreep> Former Roman cities could use rushes too.
<Aro> 1996 L to rush pols and Marketplace in Uber
<roadcage> yes, but they are small and I thought we were prioritizing our workers for the juicy 
  cities
<Aro> 4 Should we rush those improvements in Uber for 1996 L?
<roadcage> Lets just set some reasonable carrying level and rush down to about that umber each 
  turn
<Aro> I'll pick some then
<Aro> Is it ok?
<Aro> market and 2 pols
<roadcage> for starters, lets say that each turn we rush down to around 10K
<Aro> 10K???
<Aro> 1 K, right?
<Aro> So...?
<Aro> Someone there?
<Nimitz> yes
<Aro> 4 rushing Market in Neon for 260 L
<Aro> 4rushing Pol in Shiberport for 288 L
<Kloreep> Sorta here but cleaning up my keyboald and trying to watch seinfeld too. :)
<Aro> 4rushing Pol in Solace, 356 l
<Aro> 4 ...And that is enough... ;)
<Nimitz> thing seem to be getting quiet here
<Aro> 4turn ends in 1 min
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> how long has this turnchat been anyways? :P
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> looks like... almost 5 hours o_o
<Kloreep> If it started on time, yep.
<Aro> 4what about a Hosp in Neo Frankfurt for 604 L
<Kloreep> That's nothing; think about 8 hour chats. ;)
* Trip_Acting_Idiot shivers
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> 8 hours?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> but... but why?
<Kloreep> Aro: Maybe Brundisium?
<Kloreep> Trip: Turns get long when you have 50+ cities and tons of units...
* Nimitz sighs.
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> still
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> 8 hours...
<Aro> 4Turn ending now
<Aro> objections? No?
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<Aro> 4 Ending turn
<WaxTadpole> I'm afraid I have to bolt on you...congratulations on a successful term, Aro.
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> yay for Aro!
<Nimitz> bye
<Kloreep> Bye Wax.
<Aro> 4Surprise: the english have destroyed the Persians
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> is this term over already?
<Nimitz> hehehehehe
<WaxTadpole> I'm glad it was Liz instead of the Greeks
<Kloreep> Trip: Almost. This is the last chat.
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> wow
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> unbelievable
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I remember just voting for Aro :|
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> time is just going fast I guess
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<Aro> Time flies...
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> indeed
<Kloreep> ...like a banana. Fruit flies like an arrow. ;0
<Kloreep> ;) rather.
<Aro> 4Iroquois annoyed... we should give something...
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> does it? :P
<Kloreep> Whoops, messed up that quote. :idiot:
<Aro> I'll give an old tech to Iroquois, what do you think?
<Kloreep> Don't mind me, I'm confused tonight... :)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> hehe
<Kloreep> Aro: Like what?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> do I ever mind you? ;)
<Aro> atomic theory for free
<Kloreep> :p
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<Siegfried> We need to be looking at what is happening on the subcontinent. Rome is at it again
<Aro> yep
<Kloreep> BTW, any particular reason I should vote for you, Trip?
<Siegfried> I am roadcage
<Aro> 4Giving atomic theory (inter turns) to Iroquois for free, or maybe incense
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I'll be doing my best to make sure that New Apolytonia is the strongest, and 
  like I pointed out in my post, I'll be adopting a pretty conservative strategy depending upon 
  the situation
<Aro> So/
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> if we're talking a RP situation, then we'll be able to do whatever we want ;)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> if it's like Lux, then we'll need to be very cautious
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I'm done taking risks :P
<Nimitz> what a risk
<Aro> Kloreep,Shiber said to give dyes for free, but they want incense
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> Nimitz: what's that? :)
<Aro> Well, I have to decide it alone... :)
<Kloreep> Well, we seem to have a surplus of that, too...
<Nimitz> the war with ND
<Kloreep> So why not?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> Nimitz: wasn't of my choosing, I'm afraid
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> if it were up to me, then I wouldn't be at war with them, but that was their 
  decision :P
<Aro> 4 Giving dyes for free to Iroquois
<Nimitz> you attacked them
<Nimitz> didn't you
<Aro> 4the iroquois are polite now... what a bribe!
<Kloreep> Wonder why they were annoyed in the first place... maybe they like Japan?
<Aro> 4 flight in 4 turns
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> Nimitz: They had a stack of 5 swordsmen outside our city
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I got a PM saying "we will declare war on you next turn"
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> so we had to destroy their scout inside our lands
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> no need giving them an advantage...
<Nimitz> ouch
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> so yes
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> technically Lux declared war, but ND would have done it the turn afterwards 
  anyways
<Nimitz> all over luxury
<Kloreep> So we have tanks? :expect:
<Siegfried> You placed that city in such a way that an attack should have been expected
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> Siegfried: that's where our only sources of horses was
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> they have 3 sources of horses
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> it was our only option
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> like I said, I only hope that New Apolytonia won't end up with the same kind 
  of starting position as Lux
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> bad luck whereever we turn
<Aro> 4 cleaning pollution
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> Aro: you doing anything for the new demo game?
<Aro> The new?
<Aro> I want be part, of course!
<Aro> 4checking deals
<Kloreep> When's the chat going to end, Aro?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> what do you want to do? :)
<Aro> I'll think in something... Maps, for sure
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> hooray :D
<Aro> sell motorized transport to India for 200 Lpt + 91L
<Kloreep> Are we going to sell it? I thought we were going to hold off...
<Aro> 4sell Motorized transport to India, 200 Lpt + 91 L?
<Aro> Shiber said they will research it soon, so...
<Aro> But we can wait one turn
<Kloreep> Ah, we are. And he has a good point...
<Aro> I'm for this, anyway.
<Aro> Is it ok, so?
<Siegfried> no
<Aro> No?
<Siegfried> NO
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> anyone know when the ISDG starts? :P
<Aro> Hmm... We can hold it for a turn or two without harm
<Kloreep> Trip: There is a set date, but I forget.
<Aro> Kloreep, what do you think?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I think I heard Sunday
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> but I'm not sure
<Aro> Ok, no trade with India this turn
<Kloreep> roadcage, why do you say no? If we were in a land war, I'd definitely say hold off, but 
  by the time of our next war, India will probably have proliferated it.
<Siegfried> They need to burn a few of their own beakers first
<Aro> India is an excellent partner... :)
<Siegfried> Let them cook for a few turns
<Aro> you have a point
<Aro> I agree
<Siegfried> I am not saying never, just not now
<Kloreep> Trip: "Start date is goiing to be Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday. We may start Sunday - and 
  put Firaxis last in the play order." - BetaHound on the 13th
<Kloreep> Good point, roadcage.
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> ah
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> okay
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> that's what I thought
<Aro> 4 no interesting deals this turn
<Aro> 4SMC orders
<Kloreep> Aro, when do you think you'll end the chat?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> NEVER!
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> muahahahaaaaaa!
<Kloreep> lol
<Aro> 4 Next turn... ;)
<Kloreep> Okay...
<Nimitz> trips losing his mind
<Aro> 4 Nothing to do in the SMC office
<Kloreep> Oak Ridge can set up as a worker factory this turn, if you want, though I understand if 
  you want to wait for joncnunn's (or Aidun's) approval.
<Aro> lol, Nimitz...
<Aro> Yes, I think is better.
<Aro> Kloreep, do you want deal with the DM?
<Kloreep> Okay, sure.
<Aro> Posting save
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I'm not insane :D
<Nimitz> sure.....
<Kloreep> Just rationally challenged. ;)
<Nimitz> ;)
<Aro> 4save posted
<Nimitz> :-{D
<Kloreep> Wow, that's a long smilie.
<Kloreep> You know, "The Forbidden City" is a great name for the city that houses the 
  intelligence agency...
<Aro> :)
<Nimitz> its the mustash
<Aro> Military academy next turn...
<Aro> ARMIES!!!
<Nimitz> nooooooooo
<Aro> ...and Pentagon
<Aro> hehe
<Nimitz> cool
<Kloreep> Got the save. Loading...
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<Nimitz> hey
<Aro> Hi again, Hot_Enamel
<Kloreep> WB
<Hot_Enamel> Hi Ho
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<Kloreep> 4BHQ integration will be delayed per joncnunn's "full bread basket" orders.
<Aro_having_a_smoke> k
<Kloreep> 4Port of Where It's At is delayed once again, as it still has no harbor (shouldn't we 
  rename that city till it gets it? :cute:
<Aro_having_a_smoke> To keep a decent reserve, we can't go on with the integration.
<Aro_having_a_smoke> Some of our native workers are in Uber
<Aro_having_a_smoke> We need 24 workers in the continent, by the calculation... If i'm not wrong
<Kloreep> All of the remaining integrations are the last of the slaves.
<Aro_having_a_smoke> k
<Kloreep> 4Integrating 3 Persians in Termina.
<Siegfried> Since our 100% sci beaker rate is 2730, we really don't need to do an more integration
<Aro_having_a_smoke> We have 16 workers in the mainland, right?
<Kloreep> 18, I think, since Uber has 6.
<Aro_having_a_smoke> k
<Aro_having_a_smoke> thanks
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<Kloreep> 4Integrating 3 Persians in Geofront.
<Aro> Kloreep, thanks a lot for your work.
<Kloreep> Worker integration finished this turn.
<Kloreep> You're welcome. :)
<Aro> :)
<Siegfried> Why are we doing this silly integration. We have enough sci to 4 out from here with 
  over 1k/turn free cash flow?
<Aro> I suggest we play one turn more and end the chat.
<Siegfried> All we are doing is incr4easing the probability of pollution and reducing our ability 
  to combat it
<Kloreep> roadcage: Production. And it makes me happy to see my cities jumpstarted, too. :)
<Aro> hehe
<Siegfried> You are building for the sake of building with no in-game purpose whatsoever
<Aro> But we can pick a city to be a worker factory
<Aro> This will helps production and the pollution job
<Kloreep> Woohoo, Gotham is the first city to start building a Tank. :)
<Aro> :)
<Siegfried> Because I put it in it's queue
<Kloreep> Yep.
<Aro> roadcage, the game is already won, we have to choose what victory we want
<Nimitz> well gtg bye
<Aro> bye, Nimitz
<Kloreep> Bye Nimitz.
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<Aro> So, I'm suggesting we play this tur, end the turn and finish the chat
<Aro> *turn
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<Aro> Hi, Aggie!
<Kloreep> Sounds good, Aro.
<VP_AGGIESMC> hello
<Kloreep> Hi Aggie
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> heya Aggie
<Aro> We're almost ending the 1395 ad
<Hot_Enamel> G'Day
<Kloreep> Or... do we have to end the turn? It's minor, but that would delay Oak Ridge by two 
  turns if we do worker farm it.
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> how many turns did you play today? :P
<VP_AGGIESMC> hello
<VP_AGGIESMC> well is the chat still going
<Aro> Well, we don't have to end
<Aro> I agree with you, Kloreep
<Aro> And we'll have another turnchat in this term...
<Aro> It's the tradition!
<Kloreep> 4Spiffor's Heidelburg orders changed to not conflict with Neo Leipzig.
<VP_AGGIESMC> yap the farewell turnchat, oh did we get a sp in japan
<Aro> We sunk a galley...
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> hooray!
<Aro> And we can sink more! :evilgrin:
<Kloreep> Yes, spy in Japan. :)
<VP_AGGIESMC> good
<Aro> Yes, our spy!
<Hot_Enamel> We sank a Ironclad...and almost lost our destroyer
<Aro> I forgot the ironclad
<VP_AGGIESMC> reall that would have sucked
<VP_AGGIESMC> did we make peace then 
<Aro> We'll have battleships soon
<Aro> 2, 3 turns
<Kloreep> Nuremburg has extra pop, assigning myself...
<Aro> Kloreep, I agree with your suggestion. When tou finish the DM, just post the save
<Aro> But i would like to see the Military academy built... :cute:
<Aro> Just to place some armies in the Q! :D
<Kloreep> Didn't you say there'll be another chat? :)
<Aro> Yes. Next chat we'll build some...
<Aro> :)
<Aro> Whew...I suppose I make it, after all... 
<Aro> The term, I mean :D
<Aro> A little slow (my bad), but not bad at all
<Kloreep> CP done. :)
<Aro> And I have to thank you, Aggie, Kloreep, roadcage
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<VP_AGGIESMC> welcome
<Aro> Kloreep, check for rushes in Uber Isle and Old german, mainly
<Kloreep> You're welcome. :) And do you see that English Infantryman in our territory?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> fine then, don't thank me ;P
<Kloreep> We thank you, oh great insane founder. ;)
<Kloreep> Aro: Okay, once I'm done with PW.
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :D
<Aro> You are  alegend, oh grat Trip. We thank you all the time!
<Aro> *great
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> LoL
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> do you now ;)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> if you love me so much just vote for me and I'll be happy :D
<Kloreep> Aro, can I move a few Infantry units from interior cities to cover workers at the 
  border?
<Aro> I'm almost in the old club, now...
<Kloreep> Aro: Just one more chat, then you're in. :)
<Aro> Yes, kloreep.
<Aro> Aggie, do you agree?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> hehe
<roadcage> Just ask them to leave
<Aro> Aggie built this wall in the roman border...
<Kloreep> 42 Infantry moved out of Gotham on protection missions.
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<Aro> Mr holmes, how are you?
<srholmes> hi, fine tks and you?
<Aro> Fine, thanks. :)
<srholmes> i'm just experimenting with this irc thing
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<Aro> You have to slap someone to have the feeling... :D
<Aro> Select a name, right click and slap!
<srholmes> can you do voice chat in irc?
* Aro slaps Aro around a bit with a large trout
* Trip_Acting_Idiot slaps Aro around a bit with Hans Blix
<Aro> Voice?
<Aro> I don't know
<Aro> But Trip certainly knows! ;)
<srholmes> if you go in suomi channel some ppl have voice
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :D
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> they banned me from suomithreadi :(
<Aro> Why/
<Aro> ?
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<srholmes> not finnish maybe
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> because they don't want me :(
<Kloreep> Hmm... anyone want a leftover Bab worker? He's very hardworking. ;)
<Aro> I only can slap with big trouts... :(
<srholmes> does anyone play civ3 mp any nore?
<srholmes> more
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> Civ 3 MP?
<Aro> PTW?
<srholmes> yeah
<srholmes> i don't have civ3 but i was interested to know if MP ever got going properly
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I never could play it :D
<Aro> Wow, it's all they're playing! :D
<Aro> PBEM, of course... ;)
<srholmes> it looks buggy from the forums
<Aro> yeah, I never tryed
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> hehe, right
<Aro> *tried
<srholmes> civ 2 is still ok on mp though
<Aro> Civ 2 is a masterpiece
<Kloreep> Okay, Bab worker ends turn without any work. Poor Babby. ;)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> civ 2 bugged me :|
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> every time you lost a unit your stack got blown up
<Aro> homeless and without a job...
<srholmes> i would like civ 2 but iwith a couple of cov 3 concepts and better ai
<srholmes> like borders and resources
<Kloreep> Aro, do you want to direct rushes now?
<Aro> Ok
<Aro> Let me check
<Kloreep> Whelsh Coast and Boomtown look like good candidates.
<Kloreep> That's 484 + 520 lytons.
<Aro> yes, you can do it
<srholmes> anyway see you guys later
<Aro> there's this one: Arcadia (1395) - Hospital for 460L
<Kloreep> Bye srholmes.
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<Aro> You can post the save, if you want, and i'll do it...
<Kloreep> Err... Arcadia's building a Factory first. That can be rushed for 732 lytons.
<Aro> No, factories can wait
<Kloreep> Otherwise, the fac completes in 9 turns, so that's 8 turns saved.
<Kloreep> k
<roadcage> we have 12438 + 2131/turn so splurge!
<Aro> joncnunn priorities:
<Aro> 1. All Temples
<Aro> 2. All Catherdrials
<Aro> 3. All Libaries
<Aro> 4. All Market Places
<Aro> 5. All Court Houses
<Aro> 6. All Aquaducts
<Aro> 7. Hospitals, where requested by RG
<Aro> 8. Harbors, where requested by RG
<Aro> 9. Police Stations, where requested by RG
<Aro> 10. Universitys, where requested by RG
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> ICBMS!
<Aro> We can rush everything in this list, 
<Kloreep> Want me to just flip through the in-game DM's city list? :)
<Aro> if we have at least one shield. So... 
<Aro> Do you want to do this, Kloreep?
<Aro> Or do you want to post me the save?
<roadcage> Muncie should be tank in 2 instead of Inf in 2
<Kloreep> I guess it would be easier to post the save. :)
<Aro> Right
<Aro> We should change all infs to tanks, IMO
<Kloreep> Okay, I'll do that first.
<roadcage> re-allocate FC wfso it is Tank in 1 instead if inf in 1
<Kloreep> If you really mean that. :)
<Aro> But i can do it, Kloreep. You already made a great job!
<roadcage> No cities between 90 and 99 net do inf, others Tanks
<Kloreep> Roadcage: Good suggestion. Done, and changed to Tank.
<Kloreep> 4Ghengistown changed to Tank.
<Aro> great suggestion, roadcage
<Kloreep> Antioch can't quite break 100, so I'll leave it on Infantry.
<Aro> k
<Kloreep> Arbela is 2 turns either way, I'll leave it for now.
<Aro> :b:
<Kloreep> Same with Muncie, that's left for the RA.
<Aro> After, you can post the save andi'll go for rushes.
<Kloreep> Here It Is can't reach 100, left on Infantry. Saving now.
<Kloreep> (That's all the military builds.)
<Aro> Thanks a lot, Kloreep
<Aro> I'll rush everything in the joncnunn list. I'm sure we can afford it
<Kloreep> Posting...
<Kloreep> Say... we can build nukes in as little as 8 turns. :evilgrin:
<Aro> hehe
<Aro> But we should pick the Diplo victory...
<Kloreep> Yes, that's best.
<Kloreep> The game's really dragging...
<Aro> yep...
<Kloreep> Maybe I should post a bill tonight. If we DON'T want the UN, we need to know now (and 
  if we do, Shiber needs to form some alliances).
<Kloreep> Save posted. :)
<Aro> Agreed
<roadcage> We want the UN either way. The question is do we want to use it?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> no~
<Aro> downloading
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :P
<Kloreep> roadcage: True. That means two bills...
<roadcage> Why two? we already have several bills saying Na'rmer is for the UN
<Aro> Game loaded, looking for rushes
<Kloreep> We do?
<Kloreep> The only bill on Na'rmer is http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74641,
   and that only specifies a wonder to be chosen by the senate later on.
<Aro> 4We should change the Q in Neon to hosp, instead col
<Aro> Do you agree?
<Kloreep> Aro: Depends on whether you want to rush the col & hosp.
<Kloreep> If not, definetly agreed.
<roadcage> I thought that was the standing order Hosp before col
<Kloreep> Yay, the Oak Ridge worker farm plan will work. :)
<Aro> 4changing Q in Nuremberg to uni, instead col
<Aro> 4 changing Q in Neon to Hosp, instead col
<roadcage> Also per standing orders
<Aro> yep
<Aro> 4Rushing market in Dijon, 312 L
<Aro> 4rushing Lib in Port of WIA, 212L
<Kloreep> Argh, I just realized the worker farm won't work. :( Not at the rate of a worker a 
  turn, anyway...
<Aro> 4pol in wealsh coast, 484 L
<roadcage> only another 1100 to do
<Aro> 4rushing pol in Boomtown, 520 L
<Aro> 4 No more rushes, i think
<Aro> 4 Do you agree, folks?
<Aro> So, we can finish the chat
<roadcage> we have the funds. Are you saying we are out of candidates?
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> weren't you going to finish a while ago? :|
<Aro> Yep,
<roadcage> k
<Aro> We have some really expensive rushes
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :P
<roadcage> like what
<Aro> Just a sec
<Aro> 4Uni in El duderino, 640 L
<Aro> We can do this one
<Aro> k?
<roadcage> that's good
<roadcage> that puts this turns rush more or less in line with cash flow
<Aro> 4Harbor in Heroe'ssummit, 252
<Aro> Heroes'summit
<roadcage> We need Navy, that's El Duderino
<Aro> Next turn El Duderino can start battleships
<roadcage> right
<Aro> Ok, lets finish the chat!
<roadcage> like in end turn?
<Aro> 4We can rush Uni in Termina for 648 L
<Aro> I'll do this first
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> Termina!
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> my old city!
<Aro> You deserve this University, Trip. ;)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :D
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> my legacy
<Aro> 4I'll not end the turn, but the chat is finished ...
<Kloreep> Trip University...
<Aro> Thank you, folks!
<Kloreep> You're welcome. :) And BTW, I'm dropping the big bill on the forum soon. The standard 
  one is already out.
<Aro> Kloreep, Aggie, Trip and roadcage and his excellent suggestions
<Aro> k
<Aro> I'll post the final save
<roadcage> bye all
<Aro> Tomorrow i'll not be able to make the report, But i'll do it Sunday
<Aro> bye, roadcage
<Aro> Thanks a lot
<Kloreep> Bye roadcage
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<Trip_Acting_Idiot> :D
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> I didn't help much, but that's okay :D
* Trip_Acting_Idiot hands out pins and asks everyone to vote for him
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> ;) :D
<Kloreep> You kept us entertained. ;)
<Aro> Thanks, Trip... Your sense of humor made this chat funny!
<Aro> Kloreep, your help was inestimable!
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> glad you think so :D
<Kloreep> You're welcome. :)
<Aro> Ok, saving the log...
<Kloreep> And the diplo victory bill is up. Let the debates begin! :)
<Trip_Acting_Idiot> hooray!
<Aro> I'll post the save now. See you, guys!
<Kloreep> Bye Aro. :)
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