Session Start: Tue Jan 14 13:45:26 2003 Session Ident: #civ3dem * Now talking in #civ3dem hi dejon . Hi Spiffor, everyone I'll be more of a "fly-on-the-wall" for this one (working) OK Many people won't be able to be fully operational today : * dejon is now known as dejonWorking I have to leave soon for a birthday party ; Arnelos gets often disconnected, E_T should not stay during the hole chat IIRC ; Aro will have a political meeting Shiber : can you be my deputy tonight ? in a sec, busy sry sry ? :confused: Hi, dejon... Same with me... A fly on the wall! sry = sorry, can't talk right now oh ok spiff, as it appears at the moment i will have to disappoint you ok I understand this is mostly due to the fact that the chat is starting two hours later than i thought * Meshelic_having_smoke is now known as Meshelic i'm terribly sorry Shiber : sure thing. I know it's 21:00 in Israel already :( Well, at least, pretty much everything has been planned. back from the bank, but let me do a couple of thing, before we get started 12I have to leave now no problem Aní tzekha l'shlohakh dohar elektroní bye Spiffor! * E_T_at_Bank is now known as SMC_E_T Ma shlomkha * Arnelos has quit IRC (Client closed connection) Uh oh, a sign of things to come for Arnelos I'm afraid... 12Dejon will be my deputy (sorry Dejon) until a more available RA comes n the chat 12My latest orders can be found here : http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73416 Lehitraot bekaov Bye all * Spiffor has left #civ3dem lehitraot :) * Arnelos has joined #civ3dem poor Arnelos grr... that sucks man at least I don't have two copies of me running around this time :p kakha kakha what, no evil twin? Lol apparently not Hi again, Arn! hi ARo shalom! we'll, I can always just take the reigns of Power.... Mmmhahaha that's why I'll reconnect every time I lose the connection :p 3who has the game up and running? E_T, that's supposed to be you I'm about to, anything you want me to look up? ok, Meshelic works 3need to have someone check FAM things (if anything, maybe Meshelic will decide to run for President a term or two down the line? :cute: ) lol I'm afraid I couldn't, USAF will be keeping me more than busy enough after this month Checking in Started yet? not yet If I could find my civ cd....sheesh Mesh, I REALLY DON'T evny you E_T - you especially won't when you find out what my occupation will be... :) Mesh, what is it? (assuming you can tell) Oh gosh - I'm the Deputy DM? What do I have to do? I'll be in ParaRescue, the USAF equivalent to Delta Force or the Rangers dejon - mostly just sit there :p Mesh - nifty hence my latest avatar! lol I have a family member who was in the "secret air force" back during the 80's (at least that's what they called it then, its existence has since been declassified) ;p Arnelos - OK, I can handle that. we're still running 1.21 right? posting the Chat thread now yes, 1.21f I guess I should load the save eh? Someone got link to it? E_T should hopefully post the save in the chat thread Save is posted 4Chat will start in just a few minutes I have 1.29 :( I have the 1.21 patch somewhere around here....I'll have to downgrade unless it doesn't matter? or does it? it matters ok I'll change it then the AI behaves differently (among other things) Arnelos, have you gotten with your ISP about it, or could it be your phone line? "secret air force" = National Reconnaisance Office (NRO). According to official U.S. policy, spy satellites and other such means of space-based stuff like that didn't exist until President Clinton declassified their existence in 1992 :p ParaRescue is more a search and rescue-type group. They were in the movie Black Hawk Down (although they were misrepresented in most scenes as Rangers when it was really ParaRescue I'm using my DSL here... it's been good enough to keep me on IRC for the past 10 min or so but I can't get on 'poly via internet explorer... it's too slow ah, hmmm very strange I'm just about organized and ready to start the chat Just finished downgrading to 1.21 excellent What was it you wanted me to check out E_T? FAM ok just a sec We haven't done FAM for this turn 6btw... just had a horrible thought... what 6when we use Seti the rush the palace, that will likely change the WF's for the entire empire, won't it? only for the TOC's Oh CRAP - you're right, especially Old France! Mon Dieu! it won't effect the actual WF's WF's? And I can make a quick check WorkForce oh. duh. (sorry) E_T, but many of the WF's may need to be changed to accomodate it? the people that work in th ecities We're loading the seti.sav right? I believe that's the last one I posted, yes correct good. up and running then not that we can't change WF's during the chat - that's what we'll have dejon and you do :p I am now in the game. I've never had to worry about the WF's when I've moved the palace, just the TOC's E_T, no it won't change them - but they should all be checked for optimization I can quicly cycle through them Ateshir kalul? lol * Arnelos has quit IRC (Client closed connection) remember, I was a fairly good DM in my time... :p E_T you were legendary. :b: We ready then? Rshímiat yayín b'vakasha i second! E_T you were the best DM ever We lost the Pres again :( 4Chat starts Now Agreed. * dejonWorking is now known as dejon I've got the save up and running right now. What are you're orders Herr General? Is Shiber the stand-in FAM for this chat or was it decided I would do it? Shiber declined Deputy DM, so I'd be surprised if he agreed to Deputy FAM It's faster if several people look at the FAM things i don't think i can act as FAM i have no authority well neither do I really.... i could help by looking into FAM issues, but i can't make orders likewise I have the save loaded, I can look up things as well 4I need people to look at things, because if I do it, it changes the randon seed (I've got the Imperial March playing in the background) lol you've got 3 helpers, what would you like us to do? 4check for any trades & fir things that we need to renegote & also to let ride Oh - I have recieved a request from Joan - she's wants her cities back...for uranium! :P 12but remember that we want to try to get as much as we can, next turn, if possible We shouldn't all check every civ - can we split 'em up? I've got Persia up already I'mm looking a MSS's orders Checking Zulu Dyes and Incense for 29lpt and 4l 9 turns remaining-7gpt for Dyes , 12 turns remaining embargo vs. Germans,13 turns remaining alliance vs Germans, 7 turns remaining 13 gpt for Saltpeter/Iron/or dyes * Nimitz has joined #civ3dem hi Nimitz! hey shalom Nimitz! the ALP has took over aahhhhhhhhh Russia - 10 turns remaining on 30 gpt for coal Hey, I'm not ALP Zulus: Peace (1 tr); 31lpt (5 tr); 12lpt (7 tr); Embargo vs. Germans (12 tr) tr - turns remaining Something like that? Greece - 5 gpt for Spices or dyes or incense (can't tell), ends this turn, 13 TR 192 gpt but there are more of them than us Now you know how the ALP feels towards the DIA....lol 3dejon, the Zulus, are we getting Gems from them? lol not right now, will check price you can dominate the population, we'll dominate the chats. yes the largest party status takes time I would expect the ALP to be as involved as we've been, it's in our charter to be very involved.... :) 3MSS wahts the Greek Luxes to ride for a bit, to get Refining We are giving the Greeks 8gpt for ivory I believe... along with incense I think drop in hte bucket... yup Zuluz want 103lpt + 10l for Gems - will check how much Dyes and Incense reduce it 3please 3do they have SM? Zulus: Gems for Dyes, Incense, 69lpt, 2l too much 3 do they have Sci Method or need another tech I remember when the UFC out numbered the DIA Will check with SM - do we want their WM? if it's only worth more than 1 L nimitz - I would have joined the DIA when I joined if you guys weren't so large already I never joined any group there's nothing like being an underdog (E_T should go ALP) except the DG games... ;) Zulus: Gems, WM, 36lpt, 5l for Scientific Method mesh you liked the DIA policy 3we'll reexplore it next turn I always thought of you as more of a warrmonger I'm partial to both 4DM ready to continue? Ack - hang on! Were CP and PW done at the start of this turn last chat? I'm a straight down the middle in my SP games, although I toy around with extreme versions of both DIA and HAWK policies (I think so) extreme versions of hawk policy!!! We still have unused workers... nimitz - there's a funny word for that but I can't think of it....hmmm dejon - can you tell how many? Yes, but there might be some changes Why are we improving tiles outside of city radius'? Just one, outside of Jerusalem All PW is done for the this turn Th Think that Arnelos was just roading the tiles We don't want RR there? I wonder if Arnelos will be back anytime soon... There are workers in places all over the map outside city radius' was he here I assume they are to RR - looking for Spiffor's orders he was a couple times, but his ISP kept flaking out on him no, we don't need RR 's there I'll make sure that they don't do any more... Yep, his original 1305 orders say to RR these tiles. ? well, thay aren't needed, just roaded, IMHO 4SMC ready to end turn Well, do you want to supercede his order? The SMC turn or you, as SMC are ready to end turn? 4No other FAM Issues, so the FAM is ready to end turn not this turn, I'll look at the orders for PW next turn 4is teh DM Deputy ready to end? Ok, end then 4End ing turn in 10 sec 4 5 sec kien 4Turn Ends When did Germany Get Rubber? Does Caesar have any? oh nevermind 4We have Atomic theory, changing to Electronics & 0% Research 3do we need to have atleast 1 sci for TOE to work right? * Arnelos has joined #civ3dem not sure... hello the Prez has returned! what's up? * Togas has joined #civ3dem Arnelos - we got another GL - we have to stop the chat! shalom Togas! greetings Just kidding LOL 4Entertainer in Ferropolis is changed to Sci Hi Togas 4Pollution strikes Del Monte mountian or flat land? akhshav shnyaym asar 4Flat, I think - Temple in Hannover is done, no Q, set to courthouse for now 4 1310 AB - the pollution is on tile #19, flat * GhengisFarb has joined #civ3dem hey ghengisfarb Hi Mesh how ya doin? Just watching the Pres race people are starting to show up more frequently now...very good 4 Frankfurt had fired off an Artillary piece, so Germany hight have Rubber now Artillery you don't need rubber for artys, just inf Ah, I have to take a PtWDG break. :P * dejon is now known as dejonPtWDG 4 Oh, Japanese move close to Banana HQ Go play your turn dejavu yeah, 'cause I certainly can't back you up :p I'm almost done with my Carribean/Colonial mod (trying to load 'poly website here... VERY SLOW) Save is uploading What does AFK mean? "A F@@@ing Klansmen"? 4Save is Posted I see people use AFK all the time, am I surrounded my white racists? I see that too alot. Don't have a clue what it means either.... Apparently neither of us is a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Good for you, GF 4 Starting on PW/CP, 3please be checking for FAM things Get away Sith Lord lol AFK == Away From Keyboard (I think they already knew that, but oh well) Ohhhhhhh GF is playing Togas Wow I was waayyyy off. E_T... are you sure that GF and Togas aren't the same guy? ;p shhhhhh! Good thing there was a lawyer in the house! that's what I'm here for. 4doing the PW stuff..... Do we have a ROP with Japan? I mean... they seem pretty friendly when exchanging e-mails for the PTW-DG... perhaps a little TOO much ;p Yes, I am the supreme leader of the GoW and the Roleplay teams. Meshelic - we have no ROPs Then why are those japanese ships about to make a landing at our capitol? Lux and ND look out. The GS are nuetral, we're swiss, or something... lol that's the biggest load of bull ;p Hey we need someone to play Switzerland in the Diplo PBEM Legoland = Swiss ahh... Legoland = Swiss Cheese (fullof holes) again, what's up with the Japanese soon-to-be-a-landing-party? GoW=Glory of Wining Winning, you forgot the other n Meshelic... dunno... no I meant Wining Speaking of Whining, I am NOT AT ALL pleased with Lux's new city site. They are our allies correct? (Tokugawa) just checked and answered my own question.... :) 12JAPAN IS OUR ALLY Meshelic - w/o looking at the save, I don't know precisely what to think How many turns are left on the MPP with Japan? Six turns left well, crap hmmm... very interesting. 4NEED OPINIONS FROM CHAT PARTICIPANTS ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT JAPAN There are 2 fleets of Japanese ships, 1 galleon/1 frigate in each. the galleons definetely have units in them. do they pose a serious threat to Uber Island? No, just to our CAPITOL Meshelic, there's at least another combo behind those - you just havne't seen it yet (it moved into the fog) we have rail network that can protect the entire country. Eat their babies. (Proxy post for Duddha) 3let's see what they do, we can move additional forces to BHQ if needed Perhaps ask them to leave our waters first. see how they respond. 4quickpoll - Demand Japan leave our territory if and when they land the first batch of troops: (1) yes, tell Tokugawa to get off our land, (2) no, he's just trying to help with Rome/Germany If we push the issue now and he declares war, that ends the chat as it constitutes an emergency... 0 Demand they leave BEFORE they land their troops. or, conversely, when his boat enters our waters - whatever demand when his boat enters our water demand when his boat enters our water 4boat is right next to BHQ It IS in our water got it demand now It ain't carrying a load of imports, I can tell ya that. just found the other Japanese fleet.... 4Call up Tokugawa and politely ask him to move his A-- out of our waters 2, I think that he's goiong to help against Garmany that should be in blue, whatever We're not Finland, and their not Nazi Germany, but I don't want to repeat history. 4HOLD THAT ORDER... grr... 4E_T is talking to me about it... Ask him to "move his Arnelos out of our waters"? let me get the other stuff out of the way 3please start checking for other FAM issues ok, we'll hold it for the end of the turn 12Please work on other FAM issues for now :) Fleet One 1 (frigate,galleon) 1 square from BananaHQ, Fleet 2 (frigate/galleon) 4 squares southeast of Ubergorsk, Fleet 3 (galleon/frigate), 4 squares southwest of Bacteria, Fleet 4 (frigate/galleon) 2 squares from El Duderino, all along one path of movement just to keep ya'll updates on their whereabouts.... yeah, that's what I thought - 4 fleets :) a full blown invasion I think panag was right about the need for a fleet... Why is Togas smiling? yes I agree now this is happening (I pushed for a fleet too.....) :) yeah, I was wondering the same thing... must be a PTW thing he really japanise :) and is glad for the invasion Togas never liked our coastal cities...... 4is there a reason that we are RR'ing tiles that are not in city Radii? Looking forward to seeing a few rival Jungle Ball cities burned ;) Japan could have taken less time traveling north of Greece and into Aztec land, unless they're going to Rome... BRB * Meshelic is now known as Meshelic_eatingLunch if we left a city open, the AI knows. And they always go after that one city with the least defenders in it, stupidly ignoring our railroads. we need a navy 3If that were so, they wouldn't be landing next to BHQ, as that City does have a defender.... they haven't landed yet, right? correct they're on their way to the target ... either us or another nation. yup Or their on a recoinnasance in force operation. don't believe the AI ever does that :p tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock AI doesn't need to, it knows the map tick tock tick tock surrender to tock (did no-one get that?) I guess not over my head man... no B5 fans :( other than E_T (though he hasn't acknowledged the reference yet :doitnow!: ) * Panzer32 has joined #civ3dem hello all I watch it when I can hows it going? but I can't that often hi Panzer32! hey Panzer whats going on? Mesh is handling the save and he's gone to eat lunch, apparently meanwhile, we're debating what to do about an apparent Japanese invasion that is about to take place near where? 1 space off BHQ ming well, the first fleet (there are 4 of them) * Meshelic_eatingLunch is now known as Meshelic Notice I'm handling the save, not running it.... :) wb Meshelic nice lunch? yes very nice, thank you Ateshir kalul? What does tock have to do with B5? hehe