Session Start: Mon Dec 30 16:15:50 2002 Session Ident: #civ3dem [16:15] * Now talking in #civ3dem [16:15] * Topic is 'Waiting for THe Pres' [16:15] * Set by SMC_E_T on Mon Dec 30 16:06:53 [16:16] hello [16:16] take your pick - how do you want to spend your time here he asks [16:16] sadam says I'll pick the western way. [16:16] Devil says - great - Monica - times up - you're out of here. [16:17] bad one [16:18] light but nervous humor before the war. What can I say. [16:18] I think we should attack Brundesium this turn [16:19] do we know what's defending [16:19] i assume a spear [16:19] thats what the russians killed in there right? [16:20] we'll be doing a bit of shelling, but our main focus of attack is Germany [16:20] * SMC_E_T has left #Civ3Dem [16:20] * Arnelos has joined #civ3dem [16:20] * E_T_1 is now known as SMC_E_T [16:21] 4Abject apologies for my tardiness [16:21] hi arnelos [16:21] the prez is here the prez is here ... woof woof [16:21] yeah, yeah.,.. [16:21] ;P [16:21] I ran into an x-gf from high school I haven't seen in 5 years at the post office... then I hit bad traffic headed home :p [16:21] see what I said - has sex but didn't [16:22] I think we have enough Arty to do both Brundesium and Stuttgart [16:22] LOL [16:22] Personally, I want that Roman ship first and formost [16:22] let the games begin [16:23] anyways... I brought home food and it's getting cold... I shouldn't be more than 10 minutes (and you want to wait for it... the last time I ran a chat w/o eating most of the day, it didn't help much :p :p :p ) [16:23] It went west [16:23] latest save: [16:23] 4chat should start in 10 min [16:23] http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72410 [16:23] got it [16:23] * Arnelos is now known as Arnelos[eating] [16:23] I will be AFK for a little while here... [16:24] your making us hungrey..... [16:24] im making pasta right now [16:25] I know, I'll make a PB&J....BRB [16:25] I'm going to the pub at 6 [16:26] whaT Time zone?? [16:27] Almost as boring as a CFC chat which by the way is also on now [16:27] atleast we don't stop a chat to discuss the Tech trade Options... [16:28] Roadcage, I was amazed when I read those links... [16:28] * Spiffor has joined #civ3dem [16:28] hi [16:28] hi [16:29] the DM is in... [16:29] EST. Will exit around 5:40. (shhh - I'm meeting the pres' x-gf - don't tell) [16:29] SOrry, my machine didn't wake me in time [16:29] hi Spiffor - woof! [16:29] hi doggy [16:29] do I sense a LWD presence? [16:29] LWD ? [16:30] LWD? [16:30] Great minds question alike. [16:30] Little White Dog Forums big on setiathome [16:30] btw, how far did we go ? [16:30] ???? [16:31] all the way.... [16:31] j/k [16:31] sorry [16:31] no prob [16:32] we haven't started [16:32] the prez is eating [16:33] he should be in a feisty mood, he ran into an ex-gf at the post offce. [16:33] He had affairs of State to attend to and hasn't had a chance to dine yet... [16:33] oh. I hope it's not my fault (esp. since I'll eat with my family in about 30 minutes) [16:33] k [16:33] two different interpretations... [16:34] but the same thing... [16:34] yes - indeed [16:35] I don't know if there are any orders for Heliopolis for this turn, but the WF needs to be changed to full porduction [16:36] 4back [16:36] * NuclearisWinterius has joined #Civ3Dem [16:36] hi Arn ! [16:36] Hello all! [16:36] Arn : let me check [16:37] hi NW [16:37] You might want to set it to have WLAD, it's got 1 unhappy and will lose it next turn [16:37] ok... lemme pull up the save [16:37] 4E_T, has anyone made alterations to my last posted save or I can I just use that one? [16:37] Hi NW [16:38] http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72410 [16:38] I made some changes [16:38] ok, thanks [16:38] I'll go get it [16:39] * Arnelos[eating] is now known as Arnelos [16:39] downloading... [16:40] look at the screen shot that I have in that thread [16:40] one of hte most annoying things about running a turnchat is that you have to sign on to 'poly, but you don't have time to read and respond to any posts... so then later all the posts show us nothing posted since you were last online, but you actually haven't read them :p [16:40] but I digress... [16:40] save downloaded... loading up Civ3 [16:41] I look at the times of the last posts... [16:41] but I still miss things [16:41] How is war against the germies going? [16:42] Is old Bizzy up to something?: [16:42] we are starting to feel the effects of WW [16:42] We should have Otto on theRun this chat [16:43] hopefully, yes [16:44] 4save loaded... [16:44] 4CHAT STARTS [16:44] Otto? [16:44] Otto von Bismark... our opponent ;p [16:44] Hmm, Aggies Bill Passed [16:44] sink da boat! [16:45] Ah, yeah... when we were but small children used to call him Bizzy though ;) [16:45] Aggie's bill passed... hmm.... [16:45] he has to do PW & CP first [16:45] correct [16:45] 4Doing PW [16:47] * mr_AFK has joined #civ3dem [16:47] hullo [16:47] hello [16:47] greetings [16:47] hi mrmitchell [16:47] mr m? woof woof [16:48] Oh, MR PRESIDENT, you going to post a Thread??? [16:48] yeah... lemme do that [16:50] 4posting thread with initial save [16:50] 4thread posted [16:50] 4back to PW [16:51] Gosh, Chiquita really needs culture [16:52] who here has the game up, especially in 1.29? [16:52] in 1.21 you mean ? [16:52] I'm playing it currently on 1.21 [16:52] yah, sorry [16:52] I do [16:52] i have it up...but in 1.29 :( [16:52] I know that there are a couple how have it up in 1.29... [16:53] 1.29 for me too [16:53] * NuclearisWinterius has quit IRC (Quit: ) [16:53] Could you take a quickl look at FAM things, Techs, stuff that will expire, etc and let us know if there are changes [16:54] We, who have the 1.21 can then go and get any specifics for the Pres to use [16:54] * Retrieving #civ3dem info... [16:54] * zeit has joined #civ3dem [16:54] I'll order to change howitzer ville to produce marketplace now instead of couthouse. ANy objection ? [16:54] hi there [16:55] * SMC_E_T changes topic to 'Civ 3 Democracy Chat - On now' [16:55] not really, but you might want the Cathedral first [16:57] I think marketplace will make WLAD more durable. I'd make culture just after [16:57] but the Cath takes less sheilds to produce (80 vs 100) [16:57] With Greece : Refining and 44 Lytons and 8LPT and World Map for scientific method (they don't have any more money) [16:58] we are ahead with the ToE, so that seems okay [16:58] I think that MSS wanted to wait a bit on Selling Sci Meth [16:58] mss wanted to wait [16:59] E_T right, but marketplace will bring us 9 happiness, against 3 contentment for the cath [16:59] 4 turns till ToE [16:59] and with Greece sending a LOT of troops to Germany, they might get a GL... [16:59] I intend to rush next turn, except if we need the money on anoither project [16:59] we will be cash tight till1315 [16:59] E_T : yes, I just showed what (bad) deal we could have with them [17:00] I have to go eating. Later ! [17:00] it's good to present the options... [17:00] Iroq has lpt and can trade something less than scimeth [17:01] 3 suggestion to the Prez, DO NOT Renegote Coal with Japan, let it ride [17:01] Iroq will pay up for RP [17:02] just how much cannot say as am v1.29 [17:02] 4I think all workers have been moved other than Uber Isle worker wall and the PW reserve [17:02] 4Starting on CP [17:03] E_T, read your suggestion [17:03] E_T... what are the details on the deal(s) with Japan? [17:03] speaking of which... [17:03] 4SOMEONE WITH A COPY OF v1.21 and the save: PLEASE check all trade deals this turn - thank you [17:03] persia: sanitation for all there gold (11 l) [17:03] it was 26LPT, but they have a source now, so it will dissapear [17:03] E_T, got it [17:04] whoever is tracking down FAM deals... don't tell me now, I'm going to be doing CP orders and I'll miss them... just make sure I notice when I'm ready to do FAM - thanks [17:04] * Donegeal has joined #civ3dem [17:04] 3 India will pay a lot for Sci Meth [17:06] 3China will finally come to the table, but should we wait until the MPP's are done? [17:07] we take a rep hit if we dont..dont we [17:07] wait on mpp's [17:07] 3 Babs will also come to the table [17:08] ah...so what has happend? [17:08] no fighting yet..just other orders [17:08] 3Russia is Broke [17:08] whats our policy on trading stuff to persia? [17:09] E_T-tell us something we don't know :) [17:09] techs i mean [17:09] check Hiawatha [17:09] * godking has joined #civ3dem [17:09] HI [17:09] 3England does not have Refining & are close to broke [17:10] hi godking [17:10] how goes it? [17:10] hello GK [17:10] 4CP DONE [17:10] we are in the middle of an intense FAM check [17:10] we can give them insense [17:10] for 10 lpt..but I have 1.29 [17:10] why incense? [17:11] 4Starting SMC orders (keep working on FAM, people :b: ) [17:11] and WM [17:11] k [17:11] Ouch...... so here til midnight doing one turn......gotta love good FAM [17:11] 4We are NOT going to be here until midnight :p [17:11] just saying the trade is avaible [17:11] 4Attacking Roman Galleon... [17:11] 3Germany has Refining, but won't give it to us for peace 12THIS MEANS WAR!!! [17:11] also: china and bab are ready to negotiate, but we wait for mpp's to end [17:12] 4Galleon SUNK - NO DAMAGE to Ironclad :D :D :D [17:12] 12send Cav from Fort Hole west to Roman territiry to check out Brunisisium [17:13] 4Our glorious Ironclad heading for Whelsh Coast to heal... [17:13] * dejon has joined #civ3dem [17:13] Hi! [17:14] hello [17:14] hey dejon [17:14] 4scouting brundisium [17:14] Hey DM Spiffor - I have orders 'til 1320 AD - want them? (Old France) [17:14] 4Brundisium has a veteran Cavalry forted (showing) [17:15] wonderful [17:15] lunch!! 12 FIRE THE Art's at Fort Hole & Report [17:15] means that they nothing better than a pike in there [17:15] 4Firing 2 artys at Brundisium [17:15] If that... [17:16] What year are we on? [17:16] 1295 [17:16] 1295 [17:16] ano banani [17:16] 4barracks destroyed and 4/4 Cav now 3/4 (3/4 cav showing... it's the only unit they have!) [17:16] 12 Get an Elite Cav from German hold point and attack [17:16] Whats the $ like? (I'd like to rush a Cathedral) [17:17] Spiffor, you there? [17:17] 561 at the moment [17:17] 4561 lytons in treasury 155 LPT income [17:17] Hey, ET, what did you think of Rubber Stomp as oposed to Rubber Stamp? [17:17] 4 correction: 561 lytons in treasury [17:17] 4Cavalry on Cavalry [17:18] Has the DM used up any funds allocated to him? [17:18] I like it, but I can't wait for it. I have to go with what I have available now. The Terrain will work in our Favor [17:18] AND... [17:18] 4Our cav wins, now 2/5... occupy or raze? [17:18] keep [17:18] Occupy [17:19] 4Brundisium captured from Romans [17:19] hurray! [17:19] I can't beleave they only had 1 Cav there, the foolsAggie would be happy... [17:19] hmm... now that was a little unexpected... [17:19] 4only 1 resistor (3 pop - they lost 1 in the attack) [17:20] wow. [17:20] I think that city was attacked by the russians before us [17:20] 4I assume queue is a temple [17:20] they must be hurting. [17:20] I told you Rome was ripe after it attacked us with 14 rifle... [17:20] Lots of Legionary sw,sw [17:20] 4SMC: WF orders for Brundisium? [17:20] 12 set to starve to Pop 1 or 2, build a Temple, see DM for Q [17:20] Have CP and PW orders already been done? [17:21] damn, it's almost a turkey shoot against these romans... [17:21] 4correct - 8 Roman legionaries spotted to SW of Brundisium [17:21] CP and PW are already done - correct [17:21] crap, I need to Reload [17:21] 4starving Brundisium [17:21] Iroquiois will pay 32LPT or more for RP [17:22] 32 lpt is nice [17:22] 4E_T... move infantry into Brundisium (how many)? [17:23] resisters [17:23] 4Babylonian Rifle + 2 bowmen spotted SW of Brundisium (btw) [17:23] take 2 from the ready stack at Napoleton, but wait for a second [17:23] ok [17:23] need PW to build Rail [17:24] 4PW reserve being sent to build rail??? [17:24] (need only 1 native) [17:24] but we'll have to defend that native from Babylonian stack of pike+bowman+longbow [17:24] bab pike,lb,bow se [17:25] canyontree - crosspost :) [17:25] Wait a sec, I was looking at FAM so had to reload the save... [17:25] ok... waiting [17:25] believe we will have pleanty of cav after Stuttgart to eliminate some of these [17:26] 12send a PW Reserve to Bund #3 & #11 to Rail [17:27] 4RR's built [17:27] 4infantry for defense? [17:27] (for now) [17:28] looking... Ah send 4 to Bund #5, 2 to Rail, 2 to build fort [17:29] 12 we'll come back to them in a bit, STUTTGART Please... [17:29] 4need a 3rd to make the fort [17:30] 12get one and then start shelling Stuttgart & Report 2-3 per [17:30] E_T... need a third worker to make that fort... [17:30] Bundisium is a bonus for this turn... :evilgrin: [17:31] 12 get one from the PW reserve [17:31] yes or no - send additional worker to build fort near Brundisium? [17:31] thank you :D [17:31] I new we could [17:31] 4fort built... now, SHELLING STUTTGART :D :D :D [17:32] I love the smell of cordite in the morning. It smells like ... victory. [17:32] 13 Anybody able to write anything for the gazette? if so, let me know as I will try to put one out this wednesday. I started a thread. [17:32] Let slip the doghies of War./... [17:33] 4Citizens killed (pop = 6), 4/4 rifle now 2/4 (4/5 rifle showing), 4/5 rifle now 2/5 (2/4 rifle showing) [17:33] 12again [17:33] this is going to be easy if we bombard down to 1 hp each [17:33] Good, mor to play with the Romans... [17:33] gotta go [17:33] * mr_AFK has left #civ3dem [17:33] ok [17:33] um... why on earth wouldn't we? [17:34] :p [17:34] 4whif, 2/4 rifle now 1/4, 2/5 rifle now 1/5, 2/2 rifle showing [17:34] donegeal... that was an argument in the last chat... long story [17:34] 12fire until only 1 HP's showing [17:34] 2/2? They have conscripts here! [17:35] Yes, but how many [17:35] 4 2 artys fired (whif, 2/2 rifle now 1/2) - 1/4 rifle showing :D [17:35] I have 2 Arts for Reserve, then I would have to cut into the Berlin Bobmber Groups [17:35] 12Elite Cav [17:36] 4Elite cav charge [17:36] 4our 5/5 cav now 4/5, enemy rifle killed [17:36] (no GL) [17:36] 12Elite Cav [17:36] *trumpet* [17:37] last one too...for now [17:37] that one that already had generated a GL wont generate another one..remember that [17:37] 4elite German rifle killed (take that!) - our cav now 4/5 (no GL) [17:37] * roadcage has joined #civ3dem [17:37] but we have many in reserve, we're gonna use them, right? [17:38] 12Vet Cavs until the City is ours... [17:38] true [17:38] back as roadcage [17:38] donegeal-just in time for a little party we're having near stuttgart [17:38] that was all of our Elite Cav, we have 2 Elite Knights & 1 Elite Sword [17:39] 4Cav kills 1/2 rifle - no damage to cav. STUTTGART TAKEN. 5 pop. Occupy? [17:39] Yes, for now... [17:39] They have conscripted there...unhappiness... [17:39] back [17:39] wb [17:39] 4Stuttgart Occupied [17:39] Sorry, I've drunk 2 glasses of wine, my abilities are somehow reduced [17:39] thx CiverDan [17:40] thought you wanted to relocate south [17:40] 4There are 4 resistors (pop of 5) [17:40] 12 move the Berlin Bombers to Berlin #5, have the 2 Cav Razr Berlin #14 on the way [17:40] 4starve Stuttgart? [17:40] 12no [17:41] Spiffor! - I put my RA orders in E_T's thread for 1295 [17:41] Could we rush the Cathedral in Port of Where It's At? (Spiffor) [17:41] 4need orders for Stuttgart [17:41] 12 move the settler from Oakridge to Stuttgart #5 [17:42] did you move the Bombers? [17:42] 4Settler now at Stuttgart #5 [17:42] gotta go. Later. Thanks and good luck. [17:42] l8r GK [17:42] well, germany looks smaller and smaller everytime i look at its territory [17:42] cya GK [17:42] bye all. [17:42] * godking has quit IRC (Quit: ) [17:42] 3did you move the bombers group? [17:42] well done on the stuttgart takeover, and good luck with the rest of them. bye guys! [17:43] 4bombers are still where they were... you want them at Stuttgart #8 I assume? [17:43] * zeit has quit IRC (Quit: ) [17:43] * Spiffor_ has joined #civ3dem [17:43] sorry, just got disconnected [17:43] hey Spiffor - did you see my Q's? [17:43] 12move the berlin Bombers to Berlin #5, have the 2 Cav in the stack Raze Berlin #14 on the way in [17:44] dejon : I didn't double check them, so I had a total confidence in you :) [17:44] wait... #5? why? [17:44] E_T or Arn : did we use any money this turn ? [17:44] Spiffor - NO [17:44] gotta go. The pub calls. Give em hell, Pres and E_T!!!! [17:44] THe Bombmers are at Aband #6 [17:44] * canyontree has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [17:44] Spiffor - I'd like to rush the cathedral in Port of Where It's At [17:44] E_T - correct [17:45] 96 gold [17:45] they are CURRENTLY at ABand #6 [17:45] * BetaHound has quit IRC (Quit: ) [17:45] E_T... why Berlin #5? [17:45] dejon : we have to hurry a marketplace in Howitzerville + (most importantly) a settler in abandonment [17:45] 12the third time, move them to Berlin #5, have the 2 cav in the stack Raze Berlin #14 on the way in. [17:45] ok... [17:46] 12RUSH settler in Abandonment [17:46] 12 for 64 gold [17:46] No prob, just put it on your list please, below whatever priorities. We'll still benefit rushing it in the next 2 turns. [17:47] ok, I'll think of it [17:47] 4Berlin Bombers MOVED [17:47] E_T : do you have any money need ? [17:47] Spiffor... I'll do rushes later in turn [17:47] (unless we need it immediately) [17:47] 12 if the Settler is at Stuttgart #5, then Abandon Stuttgart! [17:48] no I don't think so [17:48] * kvark_eml has joined #Civ3Dem [17:48] spiffor.. [17:48] 12What do we name the new City? [17:48] Arn : we'll have a settler handy by next turn (no time wasted) [17:48] civ2 AI cheats in king level...boooooo [17:48] * Togas has joined #civ3dem [17:48] Hey, I assume Brundisium will fall under Old France, right? [17:49] greetings [17:49] Dejon : until next RA redefin ition, yes [17:49] correct, I guess Dijon [17:49] hey togas [17:49] Se�or Togas! [17:49] hi Togas [17:49] hey Togas [17:49] is it? [17:49] Erm, Stuttgart ? :p [17:49] Rome had only 1 Vet Cav Defending Bundisium [17:50] 4Sorry... adding notes to the turnchat log [17:50] 4Stuttgart Abandoned... need name for new city [17:50] The new city is right south of Stuttgart ? [17:50] Correct [17:50] What about Victoria ? (greak lake and stuff) [17:51] it look terrible, when i investigate his city and found, that he have one rebel and not any entertainer, but city is not revolting. [17:51] i think AI cheats even in king level or what? [17:52] I strongly suggest we do not name the nex city "Bismark sucks" or so :) [17:52] 12 how many Arts left to fire in the attack stack? [17:52] um... lemme check [17:52] E_T - have you named a city? [17:52] I think 4 [17:52] Suggest Bisunk [17:52] nah [17:52] or maybe bissunk [17:52] let's come up with something DECENT, shall we? [17:53] Victoria is decent albeit unoriginal [17:53] Otto's Folly? [17:53] k [17:53] The Wrath of Banana [17:53] * Spiffor has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [17:53] * Spiffor_ is now known as Spiffor [17:53] because that was whered he was building MV once.... [17:53] hmmm... we just got a GL named Menhotuhep [17:53] hmmm... something with Donegeal in it would be nice :rolleyes: [17:54] Arn : nah, nobody will spell the name correctly :) [17:54] * kvark_eml has left #Civ3Dem [17:54] lol @ Spiffor [17:54] Just do it as default and save it for the forums [17:54] Lakefront Park [17:54] Done Gale [17:54] how about something along the lines of our glorious victory here... and the many lost lives required to take it (all those cavalry) - in honor of the dead [17:54] it's on a hill [17:54] Yes, what about a disease name, like Contaginon ? :p [17:55]