Session Start: Sat Dec 28 09:52:47 2002 Session Ident: #civ3dem * Logging #civ3dem to 'logs\#civ3dem.GRNet.log' hi Hey Spiff... did you read my orders for CA? yes, but I have been in a rush latest hours, so I didn't double check them :( my main concern is the Zulu and Roman stacks in the ocean near undefended cities. 4back * Arnelos[AFK] is now known as Arnelos * zeit has joined #civ3dem Donegeal : I'll leave E_T to do this. I'll follow his requests. hi everyone hi zeit we havn't started yet, right? I need an info : can we move our leader right now (1280) ? not yet, Arnelos just came back Hi Zeit Spiffor... the GL -SHOULD- move immediately once chat starts * E_T has joined #civ3dem hello What's our plan on the next few turns, we continue the momentum on germany, or wait wait a bit? I used latest E_T's save to do my orders. No unit could move, but I didn't bither to look for the leader hi E_T hello OOO!!! SMC... er Hi first of all. Did you look at my orders for CA? hi E_T, ready to bonk some heads? yep E_T, you going to be here :expect: :D ? I'm here for the moment... I don't like the Zulu and Roman Navy... have you started yet? nope good, let me get a pot of coffee started and I'll brb... I agree with Donegeal, having foreign ships on our waters makes me uncomfortable... ...and next to undefended cities.... they are headed home... What are our naval assests? slim and are we building more? ships I think I have two Ironclads in my q's where, and when? Banana HQ after the factory is done. ET... if your not going to be here... is Aggie? hello... did I ping out or something? no, you are here with us, and its pretty quite... about our navy, don't you think we need an extra ironclad or two, just be sure? . It would be nice, but we need the land assets more I have no Idea if Aggie is going to be here. Arnelos :hmmm: ? Arn, do you understand my Roman Front General Order? But what if some serious roman navy waits around the corner, it would be quite embarrasing to seem them roaming freely around coastal cities, don't you think? that's one reason that I have the 3 ships as early warning, but more for the chineese ok... so no ET and we don't know if aggie is going to be here....this sounds like a court case comming... hello... sorry... getting things up (had to find that save so I could post it) E_T... I haven't read it just yet why donegeal? if you wanna provide a summary here, be my guest no chain of command... O.k., everyone look at you maps.... donegeal, the NewCon allows for the Prez to fill in as the default deputy - that said, I'd rather that E_T named a deputy I've almost done the compilation of RAs orders. However, due to time constraints, I did not issue any order for absent RAs. I issue orders for Forbidden City and Ghengistown though Rome. Every turn, pop 1 Cav accross & Report. Shoot off the 1 Art that's in hte fort & Report. Briung Cav Back and Fortify. Do this every turn we'll be doing that until we are ready to get down on Rome's ass... East Germany. E_T - got it :) * canyontree has joined #civ3dem hi Who wants to be my deputy when I'll have to leave ? 4posting initial save The Backstreet Boys will head deep into German territory and come around to Berlin #1. They will be joinded by the last explorer, taking a ture of the countryside around Berlin, razinge and pillaging as they go 4E_T... name a deputy if you will I sugesst Donegeal for DM deputie 4Initial save posted for those to download which wish to play along flattered ET but I'm not sure I will be here for 9+ hours... donegeal... count on this NOT lasting that long - *I* don't have that much time How long do we intend to play today ? I can probably swing 4 hours tops perhaps 5 and I want this chat to move QUICKLY oh ha.... ok... I can be here for that length of time... 4Spiffor... let me know when your final orders are posted so that I can open up my final copy of the orders thread - thanks I'll have to leave for approx 40 minutes during the chat, before coming back Arnelos : It has just been posted. stupid question time! How do I write in different colors? Every region whose RA has not wrote is unchanged. If there is needed change, I'll tell you on the fly Arn, I didn't put in the orders, but make sure that you stop the auto move on the Gallion that is headed to tarsus and the 2 ships that are east of England. Donegeal : ctrl + K. :b: donegeal - ctrl+K, then pick a number corresponding to a color :b: ALL MINISTERS (and donegeal) - PLEASE USE *BLUE* FOR FINAL ORDERS - Thank You :) ok 4C12o3l13o9r show off... :rolleyes: 4loading save... wait, 3Ding 1 COFFEE!!!!! 12 Blue ? (sorry, test) that's fine :) ok, sorry, Trillian doesn't display the color numbers 12 New orders fromthe DM 12Rush Barracks in Solace 4obtaining 'cola' caffinated bevorage with corn syrup... (just a second) Ah nope forget it, it was already in DOnegeal's orders :) Sorry, but I have trouble with the rythm of this job mmmmm, fresh coffee...me presious... ah... I'm not RA of Uber Island... but thanks... Ugh, I meant Panzer 4aaahhhhh.... caffeine... the sweet nectar of morning work 4save loaded... glad those are official orders arne... AH yes, it is morning in your place * BetaHound has joined #Civ3dem 4CHAT STARTS hi Betahound hi folks yes, destroy Belin... oh hi Doggie! woof must have lost something in the translation... donegeal... of course it's official orders. Caffeine is officially awesome for government efficiency er.. um.. Berlin... wait up... getting orders thread up here yes, what about Barlin? 4moving Great Leader you might want to review the maps in Banana Army HQ also I have to update the Wast prtion, but I can work on that while Arn is doing the Domestic chores.... 4executing SMC orders as they appear in orders thread I thought we did PW first? PW was already done on this turn (we ended the last chat mid-turn due to the GL) iwas done last chat :b: 4unforting ironclad, moving north Arnelos : you'll have to reload your order thread, some minor changes occured (two orders, one in 1285, the other in 1295) that way we can still move with them, depending on which way they go I just hope I don't lose the Ironclad before Rome lands thire troops someplace Spiffor - got it 4Berlin #15 pillaged - cav retreated to Howitzerville #2 Use the idle workers on Uber to occupy landing sights Yeah Good one, I was thinking that I didn't have enough milunits to do that, but I completely forgot the workers. 4inf in place, moving Backstreet Boys Are there enemy naval units in the places we cannot see ? (the big hole bw Abananaba and Uber Isle) ? we don't know, do we... * VladAntlerkov has joined #Civ3Dem hey all 4Backstreet boys do not sight ANY German units on path to Berlin #18 hi Vlad the Backsrteet Boys opoeration is almost a suicide run, but we'll damage Barlin by quite a bit 4Upon reaching Berlin #18, Backstreet Boys sight a German longbow at Berlin #8... ONLY UNIT SEEN good Backstreet boys? Do we have Stuttgart already ? yes, they are going to go on the back streets of Berlin and Raze.... Ah. So they're what's left of our pillage brigade? they are the new pillage brigade... a new one, the Explorere will join then next turn * GhengisFarb has joined #Civ3dem hey Ghengis it worked! what? Congrats GF! I figured how to join a room. :) E_T... can we get that last explorer to pillage Berlin #1, or do we remember there being a German there from last chat? ah.. Do you really think we should use the idle guys of Ubergorsk to block landing points ? I doubt it will be very useful. Don't forget we'd need about 830 slaves to complete our PW in one turn... Hi GHengis there was a Worker therem but it's no telling what might be there, hense the cav I gtg, have fyn everyonr * zeit has quit IRC (Quit: ) Hi, don't mind me if my computer lags a bit, I'm rendering a leaderhead set in another window. Spifform they can't land if the spots are occupioed, they don't have marines... Ghengis : I hope you weren't too annoyed by me overriding your orders last time... I was annoyed, but not enough to kill you. Yet. 4drafted from Chiquita and moved conscript to Loveshack plus I hope to have the Back Street boys play to a large group of Berlins Farms and roadwaus... E_T : I know, but I doubt they'll land with the hypothetical units they hypothetically have in the greyed sea Ghengis : :relief: :) When did we go to war with Hypothetica? Uber is fully developewd, there is nothing else for them to do LOL@Ghengis All railed over already? they will land, if they are headed that way. we need to be prepaired, the worker fence is a really good Idea I'd oppose it if proposed. Canyontree : there are jungle tiles to develop, and there are plenty of tiles to develop in the empire still. except for tiles not in any city radius They cannot do that on Uber If we blockade, do it with real units, not workers. Ghengis : I'm sorry to have overruled you, but I agreed with the upraor your decisions met. If units land their stuck where they landed allowing us to railroad troops over to kill them right? yes, but the workers that are leaft on uber Island are there for just in case... and this is one of those cases... yep Oh, you mean Uber Island, I've read Ubergorsk, sorry Then again, if there's a big-ass fleet of transports headed our way... :) 4oops, didn't see Spiffor's new note about requesting to draft from Dale (perhaps E_T should have been contacted? oh well) Our Elites can go GL fishin they can't land if a unit occupies it, no matter if it's a worker aor a mil unit did we rush US at Loveshack? Yeah, has Mentuhotep been used yet? * roadcage has joined #civ3dem (To build Suffrage, I mean.) hey RC E_T : yes, no problem then. I thought it was about Ubergorsk's workers, not Uber Isle's we do not want to block landing on mainland. Gives us some nice target practice for Arty and Leaderbait Ghengis : I'd be glad if you were active again as a governor of Ghengland. Your orders have been very helpful last time I'm not really interested anymore, my plans to build to turn the region into a Wonder factory were derailed by the overrides. There has been one override AFAIK That one override cost that city 4 shields a turn in production. Almost all your other orders have been completely accepted, except minor tweaks (like anybody else's) * aggie has joined #civ3dem hey Aggie hello hi Aggie 4doing queue and WF changes right now, btw hi Hello Mr. Prophet spiffor, are you sure you want to Draft from a size 12 city? The great Prophet Aggie. The prophet says hello * Shiber has joined #civ3dem morniong Aggie yo! are we killing germans as the GREAT BANANA commands:) great... now he's going to talk about himself in the third person... hehe :)) E_T : I'm listening to the orders from Kloreep. I also don't believe the impact will be significant with growthes of the future (granted, I didn't run any simulation of this) hi Shiber not yet, but we did raxe some of their property and sent the backstreet boys in.. excellent hey... we didn't get an answer on our GL... is he used yet? yes We lost him we're using him this turn for US GhengisFarb, huh? 4Queue and WF done :relief: He's was hauled in for drunk and disorderly conduct in the BK Tavern lol brb * Shiber is now known as Shiber|BRB Arn : did we rush US yet ? yeah, but thats a bondable offense... it's the unhappieness that I had concernas about, the smaller size can be handled by the luxes ans will still take a couple of turns before it gets to be a problem wwith WW lso being involved 4Universal Suffrage RUSHED yeehah ! What are G-Town and TFC doing? Where's panag? Its not the same without him and Shiber going at each other in the background. yeah! wait... now women can vote... Yeah! (My wife is here) G-Town: Military Academy, FC: Palace (shieldbank for ToE) E_T : yep, but Kloreep chose cities which got to size 12 immediately after the draft, so they're not losing any productive ability k GF, please, don't wish that on us today... w00t! * Aidun_away is now known as Aidun 4E_T... did you want cav scouting romans THIS turn? It provided entertainment during the lulls. * Shiber|BRB is now known as Shiber Erm, how come Aidun's the channel op? Shiber should PM Panag to ask him to come :p nice turnout... War always brings them out... Vlad : he was here before us Vlad - he started the channel * VladAntlerkov slaps himself for being an idiot 4E_T??? It is wise to scout it was a major distraction and will not be tolerated in the future, at least by me... * canyontree has quit IRC (Ping timeout) yes, Roman General Order applies this tyurn got it arnelos could you post a save at the end of the turn so we all cn see what happens between turns 4Scout sees a 5/5 Elite Roman rifleman in Brundisium * Shiber is now known as Shiber|BRB good, no Inf.... Not yet, anyway. good news BOMB HIM!!!! 4shelling Do we even know if they have RP? 4 5/5 elite now 4/5... a 4/4 rifle now showing I'm planning for Operation Rubber Stamp for taking care of that How do we want want to make romans less agressive ? Pruning or consuest ? And what does that involve? Killing 4cav retreated back to fort spiffor it sepends on the german war, if we win quickly we might attack more, but germany gets first priority 4doing 2 rushes on Uber after we deal with the roman fleet, take 3 Cav, 1 Ing, the Gallion *upgraded at Whelsh coast) & Ironcland and send them to the Roman Rubber source on the south coast 4ready to end? Arn : what are the prods of Ghengis and FOrb. City ? Ghengis: Military Academy FC: Palace (shieldbank) We DO discover Sci method next turn, do we ? correct 12the 3 ships that are headed to Tarsus ok very good slider was already tweaked (I double-checked, though) * Shiber|BRB is now known as Shiber 4un-autoing 3 ships 12click on them to stop their auto moves Ghengis was an excellent choice for Mil Acad with its high production, btw. and that should be it.... 4only found 1 ship... where are the other 2? oh... those 2 to the north? east of England Ghengis : I still think it's a placeholder for ToE. However, if we get another leader in the next 2 tuns, I'll use another city for ToE. You'll tell me your favorite small wonder for Ghengistown got it 4done - SMC ready to end? 12yes, lets do it... 4TURN ENDS Sorry, but the military acad should be built in Heliopis Armies are expensive to build so Military Acad is good, that means we dont have to worry about using GLs for Armies. I always wait to build the Mil Acad, until I've built Hoover with a palace move to Marcoss City, Heloplis will have next to 0 corruption and has the higest production... E_T : about worker integration in Howitzerville : why do you want them ? to get WLAD i suppose we really should use the Natives, it's better to prevent Flipping But we have TWO cities frozen because of stocked shields they need be brought back to usefullness. that sometimes happens, GF E_T : Yes, but why do we want How. to be pop 6 right now ? They are useful as shields are still acumulating for large tasks Not with planning it doesn't. * aggie2 has joined #civ3dem and it's only been a couple of turns from the begining of the term.... now i'm back too many topics Ghengis : the problem was we couldn't know if we'd have a leader. If we could have planned this, there wouldn't be any problems yes, did you read the flipping formula link that I posted? What does the flipping fomula have to do with two cities building Wonders? H-ville is 1 native pop, easy to prevent flip E_T : absolutely, and that's why I changed my orders from slaves to nationals. My question is about : why do you want to integrate workers there at all ? (the numbers of nationals doesn't weigh on flipping) basically, the chance is decreaced by 1/2 if they are at WLAD. Ah OK I didn't think about WLAD, you're right and you need the have 6 to get wlad and the chance is better in our favor with all of them being natives, compaired to 1 native and thereast foreign does that formula apply to PTW too, I've just started a game on it and with my aggressive play it does matter what is WLAD btw, or is this a stupid question? * VladAntlerkov has quit IRC (Quit: Vlad Highwind fades from existence) 4Universal Suffrage complete, Scientific Method complete 4only lost 1 of 3 in Backstreet Boys... posting save and report We Love Arnelos (the king) Day I hope he took one with him... actually i though it was WE LOVE AGGIE DAY still, they love the true prohphet :) remember win it was WLWIAD? WIA?? No, E_T, it was WLTVID. WhereItsAt :D i remember. just convieniently forgot Where Its At, one of our greatest presidents :) ah I kinda liked it when it was WLDD.... We Love The Villiage Idiot Day I recall calling it We Love Where Its At Day :D Actually, our leader's name in the file is Banana so it is always WLTBD 4finally... SAVE POSTED He didn't want his actual name in it. MrWIA, in which the Port of Where It's At is named in his Honor... Strangely, we never had a We Love Trip Day ;) well our cities werwe too small then 4doing PW We didn't love him, well maybe WhiteBandit did...... * Aidun has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) we had no funding for the annual festivals then 4E_T... reserving the PW reserve, btw E_T : you now have 8 natives to give direct orders to 12good, is was just about to say some thisn yeah.... * Aidun_Lunchtime has joined #Civ3dem E_T : if you planned to RR to Howi., I've just done so O.k., you 8, while I figure out what to do with you, give me 200.... lol * Aidun_Lunchtime is now known as Aidun Aidun : wow, that was quickly. Is it some sort of monk discipline ? * aggie has quit IRC (Ping timeout) No it was f*ckin IE5.5 I quickly restarted my comp. Aidun : www.mozilla.org 4natives joined to Howitzerville I assume they'll be in WLAD next turn ? Mozilla is pretty good, so is Opera make sure you have the specialist to force WLAD... 4E_T... need your approval to build RR to Howitzerville (per Spiffor's orders) A friend of mine is using opera, but I thought that 5.5 was good enough because it's not from origin from MS did you do #7? I'm asking before doing either . 12do # 7 but wait on the other one, take 1 from the SMC reserve for it Assume you mean the tile GL was on previously, RR is good correct 4Howitzerville #7 has RR brb Hello? I'm looking for a guy named Seti? Anyone seen him around? 12IF I deside to do more, I'll us the Reserve No, I believe Seti is at home save finnally loaded LOL....not if we get another GL!!! lol Brundesioum contains? A backstreet boy as GL? Spiffor, you wanted what tile RR'ed? i see an archer army germany I just saw it too. LUNCH Khufu senses action! well thats the thing about early armies lol I don't think that is an early army he might have just made it Archers?!?!?! Where is Togas when you need him!!! Suspect defensive GL on western front wasted on archer army E_T : I wanted #7 and #3 RRed (#7 is already) then the ai is an idiot, but we already new thast, that is why we MUST save the world from that evil force controlling the innocent people of the world:) How many German rifles out of cities in range of Arty? I can do that No, with Togas they are "Archerers". I thought he corrected that... i think roadcage we shell stuggart this turn if we weken them all then we can use artillery elsewhere No soon enough.............