[09:36] * Arnelos has joined #civ3dem [09:36] 4Chat will probably be 10 min. late (my brother showed up 10 min. ago and I'm helping him unpack... just a little delay) [09:36] ok [09:37] we dont have all orders in yet anyway [09:38] esp PW [09:38] ok [09:38] Spiffor already warned me about PW orders - got it [09:38] (got it = I understand in this case, not I have th orders ;) ) [09:39] * Panzer32 has joined #civ3dem [09:39] hey, MR President... [09:39] hello all [09:40] I could do the SMC moves for you and repost the save, if you so desire? [09:41] go ahead and post the save [09:41] 4please do SMC orders and then post save, yes [09:42] are the upgrades approved? [09:45] away: [AutoAway after 10mins (l:on/p:on)] @[09:45AM] [09:45] * Panzer32 is now known as Panzer32_AFK [09:46] 4don't do any upgrades yet... we'll handle those when chat starts [09:47] k. [09:48] how many hours we guessing for this chat :) [09:48] assuming no GL or somethign else unforseen [09:50] * flash9286 has quit IRC (Quit: ) [09:51] hopefully, it won't take as long as the last turnchat, that's All I'm saying... [10:05] * The_True_Arnelos has joined #civ3dem [10:05] hey [10:05] stupid thing disconnected me... I caught the Aggie bug [10:05] * Shiber has joined #civ3dem [10:06] hi shiber [10:06] * Arnelos has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [10:06] ok, switching back... [10:06] still moving stuff.... [10:06] * The_True_Arnelos is now known as Arnelos [10:07] ok, sounds good [10:07] I'm back btw [10:07] hi! [10:07] hey Shiber [10:07] ok [10:08] Man, we are SO thin defensively [10:08] oh, cheer up [10:08] I agree [10:08] we've got veteran infantry [10:09] but as long as we stay on teh attack.. [10:09] we should be ok [10:09] and our vast network of railroads can make sure that our troops will be able to act quickly in the case that our borders are breached [10:09] only a few right now, and will be 3 turns before they are all upgraded... [10:10] Are we going to be allowed to do some shelling of Germans this turn? [10:10] there's enough to counter any attack that the germans can mount at the moment, and thanks to our railroads they can respond to threats immediately [10:11] Shelling... hmm... [10:11] which side of the border? [10:11] (I assume theirs) [10:12] 6What does anyone know (for sure) about activation of MPP's and whether we can attack them first on their side of the border? [10:14] AFAIK we have to fight on our side of the border (either we're attacking or they are), but i never put this to the test [10:15] 4E_T... can we refrain from shelling their side of the border for one turn? Use artillery against Brundisium if you want [10:15] I've done quite a bit of research and I can tell that we can attack them and it won't effect teh MPP. As long as we get them to attack us on outr ground, we will be fine [10:16] I have a Reg Swordsman that will be used as a sacrifice, already placed [10:16] 4excellent (about swordsman) [10:16] I want to shell Germany, Rome IMHO can wait [10:16] Then why not just let the sword die and be sure? [10:16] * aggietheProphet has joined #civ3dem [10:16] hello all [10:16] btw, MSS did not leave any orders for whether he wants to tell England to move their units out of the way (so that we can execute the explorers maneuver properly) [10:16] hello [10:17] lemme look at MSS' orders more closely... [10:17] Because, I can do the Shelling & send out the Explorers this turn. I don't want to Invade until All of teh Artilary is ready [10:17] he has left arnelos with full FAM authority, outside making deals involving sci meth. [10:17] * opd has joined #civ3dem [10:17] lo [10:17] hello opd [10:17] so basically, unless MSS has left any orders regarding this (which i believe he hasn't), arnelos has the call [10:17] lol [10:17] hi opd! [10:18] hey shib hows life [10:18] interesting. i don't see panag anywhere around [10:18] i'd expect a responsible person to come to at least one turnchat before he is called into duty [10:18] so that he'd know what would be expected of him, should he be called to act as president [10:18] Save is posted, I say that we do NOT tell the Greeks to go home, Aggie can explain, but we want the English to move [10:18] but then again, panag is not a responsible person [10:19] wow... OPD - hey :) [10:19] if we ask them to leave, will they even move automcatically? [10:19] here for support arny. not that you need it [10:19] thanks [10:19] or will they say "we will move soon?" [10:19] They are right next to Abandonment, so they will move automatically [10:20] ok [10:20] lemme load up save here... [10:20] CiverDan, yes [10:20] PW orders are posted :relief: [10:20] I'm going to go and have a Smoke before we get started, AFK, BRB [10:20] they'll move immediately [10:20] ok, E_T [10:20] going for a sec too [10:20] * Shiber is now known as Shiber|BRB [10:21] * E_T_AFK is now known as E_T_AFK_Having_a [10:21] * Donegeal has joined #civ3dem [10:21] 4loading save... [10:21] hey donegeal [10:21] Hello folks... [10:21] 3 Chat log starts now [10:22] OPD! Wow! Haven't seen you around. [10:23] hey don. Im using my moms computer [10:23] lol we have so much rubber [10:23] I won't be around for long... X-mas party to go to [10:24] i could make a joke there but i wont :) [10:24] * Shiber|BRB is now known as Shiber [10:24] back [10:24] where is spiffor? [10:24] opd, check out the new condoms factory in gaia [10:25] * Spiffor has joined #Civ3dem [10:25] hi [10:25] good... spiggor is here... [10:25] speak of the devil... I just asked where you were, Spiffor :p [10:25] spiggor?? [10:25] er spiffor... [10:25] hello spiffor [10:26] few, I just finished my orders for the first turn [10:26] g'day spiff [10:26] G'day OPD [10:26] crap... gotta go... [10:26] OK, I didn't come in a turnchat for a long time, hoiw does it work now ? [10:26] Goodbye Donegeal [10:26] "have fun stormin the Castle!" [10:27] back [10:27] Spiffor... you'll be fine... just follow along :) [10:27] hi ET [10:27] hmmmn why all the explorers in oak ridge?? you aren't going to do that scout cheat thing are you? [10:27] * E_T_AFK_Having_a is now known as SMC_E_T [10:28] scouts=pillagers [10:28] OPD - they're for ripping up German RR's [10:28] and roads [10:29] ET : can you please explain me how you managed all these workers in the past ? I needed 2h30 only to write all orders for the 1st turn :( [10:29] 4E_T... did you complete SMC orders (other than upgrades)? [10:29] days [10:30] well, I have to really go now... I'll be back later (maybe ~1.5 hours) [10:30] bye Panzer [10:30] Spiffor... you need not be as.... detailed... as E_T was. If you want to just give a list of tiles to upgrade, I can probably figure out the specifics on my own ;) [10:30] We will be moving a couple of units, if we deside to shell Garmany this turn, other thatn that, all moves are done [10:30] * Panzer32_AFK has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:30] Arnelos : well, All tiles must be imporved, does it count ? :p [10:30] lol [10:31] Spiffor... what I need from you is a list of HOW to improve various tiles if we did PW orders that way (mine or irrigation?) [10:31] I would move the Jungle road crew to finish roading the jungle [10:31] Arnelos : seriously, I think I'd need about 2 more turn of absolute hell before everything (or almost everything) is done. We have tons of workers, and roads almost everywhere. [10:31] to takes 3 Slaves to do that now [10:31] well... he did finish all PW orders this time... so lemme start on 'em if they weren't already done [10:32] and 2 Natives to Road a Mountain, 1 for a hill [10:32] 1 Slave to road a flat [10:32] Spiffor, will I have 8 Natives as a Reserve? [10:33] ET : yes. Just give worker orders for 8 workers. [10:34] good. I don't think that I'll need them this turn and I'll release them on a turn by turn basis back to you , If I don't need them. [10:34] Very good. I don't expect to need workers in a short while anyways [10:35] I will be sending 1 with the Berlin Bombers.... [10:35] * Aidun has joined #Civ3dem [10:35] Welcome Aidun :) [10:35] but that won't be for about 2 -3 turns [10:35] 4Doing PW orders [10:36] I just wanted to to see how things work [10:36] 4I will be AFK while working on PW orders... just everyone talk about whatever ;) [10:36] If I Understand Correctly, on 2nd turn, I'll recieve a save that I'll have modify, to do PW orders ? [10:36] Yes Sir :p [10:37] Excellent. [10:37] We are so going to kick the crap out of Otto! [10:38] I think that you can eiher tell Arnelos what you want him to do, or just have him do general stuff [10:38] It took me 2h30 just to tell Arnelos what I wanted him to do :p [10:38] i.e. do this to some city tile # what wver [10:39] and he can work on how to Implement it. [10:39] ok, I'll do so [10:40] I do suggest that when Port Rouge starts to build it's Factory, that you cut the trees & mine & RR them, at the same time [10:40] bye till sunday night! [10:40] * Donegeal has quit IRC (Quit: ) [10:40] ET : yes, I was thinking this [10:41] Port Rouge, Antioch & Susa are the last cities the have Forrest in them [10:42] Ah yes, I forgot Antioch. But there are still some cities with jungle around [10:42] 4E_T... there already is a RR at #5 Macross [10:43] 4oops..I meant Spiffor [10:43] I do know that Uber is mostly done, except for Whelsh Coast, which I was saving the last stand of trees for Factory. the other two tiles just need to be irrigated or Mined, depending on what you wnat there. [10:43] 4And there are already RR's at #5, #11, AND #12 Macross [10:43] LOL [10:44] do the mines first [10:44] yes [10:44] what mines? [10:44] "What mines?" ... BOOM!!! [10:44] lol [10:44] good lcuk all [10:44] :) [10:44] * opd has quit IRC (Quit: fuck you) [10:45] umm, that was nice... [10:45] on some of the mainland cities, i didn't RR some of the Irrigated tiles, I was planning to go and change those to mines, but they were a low priority at the time. [10:45] In my save, there is no mine in #11, #12 and #14 in Marcoss [10:46] #11, #12, and #14 ALL have mines in mine... but #14 does not have an RR [10:46] Arnelos : care to send me your save please ? [10:46] Spiffor... E_T just posted it [10:46] do we want to generate one more Settler form Macross, it does have a high growth rate.... but after the factory is done.... [10:46] (I'm expecting all my orders have been pointless because I don't have the same save as Arnelos) [10:46] Spiffor... I did already do the RR's near Arcadia [10:47] Spiffor... I'll just continue, come back to those workers [10:47] all that is different in the saves are SMC moves [10:49] while I was doing the PW orders, building the RR's and getting teh factories fast tracked, I had to be very thoughtfull of what I had to do and with what there was to do it in. [10:50] now with RP and most of that done, you can be more relaxed about PW and just issue orders to have certain things done at particular places [10:50] I see mines in 11, 12, 14 macross [10:50] Yes, and they are not RRed. They must be [10:50] 11 & 14 are RR 12 is not [10:51] E_T : I think you're right [10:52] never...looking at wrong #'s [10:52] mind [10:52] none of those are RR [10:52] OK, we do agree that #11, 12 and 14 aren't RRed ? [10:53] (I'm beginning to lose my mind with this :dizzy: ) [10:53] most of what needs done is to be done is roading the rest of the tiles in the nation, mostly mountains. [10:54] yep. Some tiles near our cities aren't railed yet, but it won't last long [10:54] I suggest RR #6 & 17, to boost the growth for the next turn...that is, if the WF didn't change [10:55] I don't remember any WF change in Macross city, let me check [10:56] Yep, WF didn't change in all Old France [10:58] then, after the city gets back to size 12, mine the Wine tile, to help with the Factory build [10:58] and move the others off of the Irrigation and onto the mined tiles [10:59] Well, Macross will likely be completely railed by the end of the turnchat (if we go further than 2 turns :p ) [11:00] E_T. whats the plan for disposing of those 20+ german units on the moutains? [11:00] Isn't it a bit ambitious to play 5 turns in the first turnchat of the administration which is a war turnchat BTW ? [11:01] well we'll see how things go [11:02] hi Aggie [11:02] hello good to see you back in gov [11:03] * aggietheProphet is now known as aggie [11:03] Yep, but I think it was competely unreasonable. The new DM has waaay to much work (well, half of it should be inexistent soon) [11:04] But even checking the plans of my RAs required me to work 2 hours, which is quite some time :) [11:06] What moves are we waiting for? [11:06] Arnelos is making PW moves I think [11:06] ok [11:07] BRB [11:07] right [11:07] I assume we are just gonna shell those 20 german units down to one HP [11:08] them wait for them to either attack a city from the mountain or move to flat terrain [11:08] Spiffor, we'll see what we can do, hopefully, we can get 5 turns, but if not, it's o.k. [11:09] CiverDan, I'll be shelling some of them, but not the group I had originally planned. [11:09] ok [11:10] 4PW DONE (I just used those few extra workers and completed some RR's) [11:10] I don't want to shell the ones that are right next to Hamburg, other wise, they will gust enter teh city and it will be hearder to take it... [11:11] yeah, it'd be better if we destroy what german troops we can destroy this turn [11:12] 4CP ORDERS STARTING [11:12] You think the Germans will integrate our workers in thei city ? [11:12] Arnelos : read my big post, it has all final orders [11:13] * Nimitz has joined #civ3dem [11:13] hi Nimitz! [11:13] hey [11:13] hi Nimitz [11:13] Oh, spiffor, you might want to structure you CP orders differently. I had mine starting at one city and then set up to use teh Right Arrow to move to the next one. [11:14] It's a bit eisier to do for teh person running the show.... [11:14] E_T : that's a sound plan. However, I was pretty much in a rush when I've done them this morning, so I didn't think about it [11:15] um... it won't let me add a bank to the queue at AGC??? [11:15] I figured, but once you get going, just have a template to use in Word and cut & past form them to it... [11:15] Wealth [11:15] nevermind... now I see what I did [11:17] E_T : btw, I see you like Sluggy Freelance too :) When did you discover the comic ? [11:19] * Guest has joined #civ3dem [11:19] hi Guest [11:19] hi [11:19] how are things going in the war [11:20] * Aro has joined #Civ3dem [11:20] we are still doing turn 0 orders [11:20] hey Aro ! [11:20] Spiffor, do you have Excel? [11:20] * Aro1 has joined #Civ3dem [11:20] * Aro11 has joined #Civ3dem [11:21] * Aro11 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [11:21] two aro's ? [11:21] E_T : yes [11:21] * Aro1 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:21] * Aro has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:21] 4Changing quite a number of queue's here... [11:22] yes. Many queues are changed because of rifleman's obsolecense [11:22] 4The Regional Admin for Uber Island seems particularly happy with changing queues... harbors were delayed and ironclads taken out [11:22] I always liked to do the Queue changes and repost the save, so that it wouldn't take so long during the chat [11:22] well, yeah... most queue changes are riflemen -> infantry, canons -> artillery [11:22] * canyontree has joined #civ3dem [11:22] * Guest has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [11:23] 4Back to pre-ordered queue changes... [11:23] hi canyontree! [11:23] canyontree, what game are you going to? [11:23] * panag has joined #civ3dem [11:24] welcome mr vp [11:24] Holiday Bowl [11:24] our VP has joined us, Hi Panag, having a nice day??? [11:24] yah so you are an evil KSU fan, tsk tsk [11:24] :) [11:24] Arnelos : you didn't apply queue changes ? (sorry, I don't really get "Back to pre-ordered queue changes) [11:24] ahh good, you decided to show up [11:24] Hi Panag [11:24] year is? [11:24] it's about time you decided to learn how a turnchat actually looks like these days [11:24] the same one 1270 [11:24] hi guys , whats up , ...... [11:25] hey arnelos, think you could let panag do the next turn so that we can see how he's doing? [11:25] Arnelos is following City Planning orders [11:25] need to do some shopping back in about 2 hrs...bye [11:25] PW has been done, SMC moves except for upgrades and "pulling the strings" [11:25] hey Shiber , why dont you do it [11:25] * canyontree has quit IRC (Quit: ) [11:25] Shiber : since I'm unprepared with next turn's PW orders, I think next turn would be rather chaotic :\ [11:25] dont start again [11:26] Spiffor, don't sweat it , just give Arnelos a list of things to do, and he'll work it out.... [11:26] * Glorious_pain has joined #civ3dem [11:27] * Glorious_pain has left #civ3dem [11:27] dude, i'm offering you to get some needed experience [11:27] btw, you're not from belgium aren't you? [11:27] * jdjdjd has joined #civ3dem [11:27] hi jdjdjd! [11:28] break it up you two....be nice [11:28] hey shiber, et als [11:28] lol [11:28] for some reason panag is connected through skynet adsl, which is a belgian isp according to records [11:28] i'm not sure that this is really panag [11:28] hi jd ! [11:28] Shiber it aint going to work , now drop it and stop it , BASTA [11:29] hi spif [11:29] BASTA? [11:29] I new this would be fun, panag and shiber in one room [11:29] an other word for leave me the F@@@ alone [11:29] Panag, is there any tips that you'd like to know about the chats, IRC, etc. I know that you've attended a long time ago, but you might need a refreasher... [11:30] well SMC thing that is currently working on the system are the little one on one windows [11:30] Shiber, watch it. [11:30] hmm....i thoguht we were gonna fight the germans..not ourselves [11:30] shiber opens with insults @@@@@@@@@ [11:30] huh? [11:31] pffft [11:31] * Shiber is now known as Shiber|BRB [11:31] brb [11:31] stop it [11:31] Where does your mutual hate come from ? [11:31] you little piece of anoyance [11:31] * aro has joined #civ3dem [11:32] Well... Hi, again! [11:32] welocme aro [11:32] hi [11:32] this aint funny anymore [11:32] just in time for a good fight :P [11:33] What's happening? [11:33] * dejon has joined #civ3dem [11:33] hi, dejon [11:33] Old France RA reporting in [11:33] panag vs shiber [11:33] lol [11:33] hi dejon [11:33] * Shiber|BRB is now known as Shiber [11:33] i'm back [11:33] wow, with this crowd, we might need to have the Ministers also be in the Civ3demministers room too [11:33] Hi aro, Spiffor, all [11:33] but i was serious, i'd really like to see panag run the next turn [11:33] wouldn't you? after all he's our new VP [11:34] 4QUEUE CHANGES COMPLETE [11:34] he'd have to run a whole turnchat anyway, should arnelos face some kind of emergency [11:34] well that little weasel would only last two min , so why bother , and then his stupid insults [11:34] better give him some practice [11:34] it's not insults or bashing, it's pure sense IMHO [11:35] 4Shiber and panag - cool it [11:35] hah , you liitle coward , why dont you post your shit here ? [11:35] I'm largely BUSY with other things, but will monitor as I can. [11:35] Arnelos, you're right [11:35] whats a matter , afraid you loose face ? [11:35] end this arguement NOW [11:35] now drop it and stop it [11:35] enough..... [11:35] * dejon is now known as dejonBUSY [11:35] arnelos, i'm serious about this. honest [11:36] 4Starting worker force orders from the Regional admins... (this shouldn't take long.. then we do FAM) [11:36] and NO more little private windows , duzz of , play with some one else [11:37] ...Ok, what' happening... in the game? [11:37] 4Spiffor... in the future, please ask the RA's not to give me WF change orders if nothing is changed (thanks) [11:37] still doing turn 0 orders [11:37] Arnelos : ok. At worse, I'll change it myself in my bigger post [11:37] yup [11:37] thanks, Civer [11:37] Thank You Spiffor [11:38] back to work [11:38] Shiber , fuck off [11:39] I'm back to work too. Could you please send me a save so that I can see precisely the new PW needs, now that PW orders have been done ? thx :) [11:39] * flash9286 has joined #civ3dem [11:39] hi flash [11:39] Hi, flash [11:39] * Nimitz Nimitz yells order!!! [11:39] HI [11:40] panag, i'm asking you how come you're connected through a belgian isp and you tell me to fuck off like i sent you some insult or something? this is REALLY low man, pretending that i'm slandering you in private to try to slander my own character or anything like that [11:40] this is not going well [11:40] Boys, be cool... [11:40] ok, sorry for bringing this into the public channel [11:40] Shiber fuck off with your bullshit , this is a demo chat [11:41] Whats with the feud? [11:41] i'll put panag on ignore and forget about all this for the moment [11:41] Shiber, if he doesn't want to answer you, he doesn't have to [11:41] 4CP ORDERS ARE ALL COMPLETE [11:41] Panang and shiber just ignore each other [11:41] and whats it to you from where people get an Ip [11:41] 4Spiffor... I'm going to have you do your own orders next turn... it will be MUCH MUCH faster ;p [11:41] Ok, we have a war to win. [11:42] "/ignore shiber" or "/ignore panag" will really help you :) [11:42] already am, i've added him to my ignore list. i apologize for the interference and i promise not to let this spoil the turnchat or any future turnchats [11:42] Arn ok :) [11:42] spiffor, i know how to add someone to my ignore list, thank you :) [11:42] close the pop up shiber [11:43] 4Starting FOREIGN AFFAIRS :D :D :D [11:43] the cool stuff [11:43] * Nimitz slaps Nimitz around a bit with a large trout [11:43] 3 Arnelos, please do not ask the Greeks to leave [11:43] 4MSS asks us to sell rubber to India (37 LPT) and Aztecs (66 LPT) [11:44] MOD , stop shiber [11:44] got it, E_T [11:44] o.k., what do you say [11:44] * Nimitz slaps Nimitz around a bit with a large trout [11:44] it aint funny no more [11:44] * panag has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [11:44] being that you were formally FAM? [11:45] 4MSS orders confusing on Japan... someone with the save wanna check that out for me? [11:45] btw... we never did peace renegotiations [11:45] are we going to follow MSS's advice on lowering our profit in order to give the AIs good deals? [11:46] * gola has joined #civ3dem [11:46] * Nimitz slaps Nimitz around a bit with a large trout [11:46] lol, nimitz is having a private S&M session [11:47] trying to make sure this is really happening [11:47] are we going to follow MSS's advice on lowering our profit in order to give the AIs good deals? [11:47] NImitz : what's happening ? [11:47] 3We can seel India Replaceable Parts for 33 LPT + 87 L + their WM [11:48] then do it arnelos [11:48] yep [11:48] Shiber - no [11:48] anyone sees a reason why we shouldn't? [11:48] the arguements [11:48] sounds good, do we have some form of alliance with India? [11:49] We have an MPP [11:49] I've got to Potty, Be back in a few [11:49] I think [11:49] lol [11:49] correction... we have an embargo, but no alliance??? [11:50] 4E_T... which save did you use??? [11:50] * flash9286 has quit IRC (Quit: ) [11:51] i dont think so [11:51] oh uh... [11:51] hold on..will check threads [11:53] what? [11:53] We ARE allied with india [11:54] I use the save that was last posted, I think. let me check again [11:54] no we aren't i just looked on the posted sasve [11:55] India doesn't have RP either - is that supposed to be correct? (I don't have my FAM report in front of me) [11:55] yes, that's correct, we din't sell it to them I think [11:55] 4THIS IS THE WRONG SAVE - WE ARE NOT ALLIED TO PERSIA [11:56] oh... god [11:56] or the Aztecs... or India [11:56] India is on OUR SIDE..w/embargo... [11:56] 4This is recoverable... we just re-do my old FAM orders [11:56] what? [11:57] this is not right somehow [11:57] guess so [11:59] restart ? , ...... [11:59] gola : now that's an idea :p [11:59] no need to restart... [11:59]  we also need to align with aztecs [12:00] 4It's the SAME TURN as the save that should have been used... there is no loss. We just need to re-execute the missing FAM orders (which I have a copy of_ [12:00] In the save I've taken, we were allied with them [12:00] just go back to the last save from the last chat [12:00] no need [12:00] there's only 3 FAM orders and they can just be redone... doing that now [12:00] Erm, I advise we do not play 5 turns today :) [12:01] Spiffor - I'm starting to agree ;) [12:01] of course..im using 1.29..i dont know if that would be different for me? [12:01] that's very good to hear! [12:01] I do'nt quite understan it, Unless it cot chaanged when I loaded it this morning. I did have someform of power glitch when I was loading it, but it looked fine to me. [12:01] 4Aztecs given dyes for alliance -vs- Germany... Aztecs and Germany at war [12:02] great [12:02] 4Sold India Replacable Parts for 33 LPT + 87 L + their WM... alliance packaged with deal - INDIA declares war on Germany [12:03] even better [12:03] excellent [12:03] lol [12:03] 4Persia PAYS US 12 lytons + their WM for alliance -vs- Germany... Persia and Germany at war [12:04] now...... looking at MSS's orders [12:04] Wow, we really fucked Persia to the bitter end didn't we ? [12:04] lol! [12:05] They are vassals, now [12:05] yes we did, we can always "liberate their cities later" [12:06] 6I'm going to sell rubber to India for 42 LPT + their WM... any objections? [12:06] no [12:06] go ahead [12:06] 6MSS wanted the SMC to ok the deal [12:06] I want the senators present to be ok with it as well ;) [12:06] ok ;) [12:06] looks o.k., we aren't goting to war with them as far as I know [12:07] ok [12:07] i don't object [12:07] the Zulu on the other hand.... [12:07] sounds fine to me [12:07] the great banana desires peace with india still [12:07] in fact i'm all in favor :) [12:07] pfft @ aggie :p [12:07] not that it matters, it takes only the pres. and SMC to authorize this deal [12:07] lol [12:07] lol [12:07] 4EXECUTING.... (deal with India) [12:08] :b: [12:08] The Indians are our freinds and we need to keep them from surcoming to the Chinese hords [12:08] can anyone remind me please how many rubber tiles we currently have? [12:09] 6 [12:09] 4 left i believe [12:09] 3Aztecs will pay 66 LPT for rubber... SMC, objections? [12:09] 6 [12:09] 3 left, so [12:09] No objections [12:09] Senator Aro says ok ;) [12:09] 4E_T??? [12:09] wait when did we give them rp [12:10] aggie - dunno. did we do that last chat? [12:10] we must have [12:10] no because inmy save they still don't have it [12:10] they must have gotten it from some one between turns [12:10] 4E_T - objection to selling Aztecs rubber for 66 LPT? [12:11] yeah..they dont have RP in my sav...which was the SMC 1270 save [12:11] (MSS' orders say I have to ask you) [12:11] not really, but we might not want them as strong for a while [12:11] Ok to me [12:11] is that a yes or a no? [12:11] can we even sell it to them if we wanted to? [12:11] 66 is a bit low [12:12] Yes, go ahead. AFK for 10 minutes [12:12] 66 - low? [12:12] low [12:12] I'm heasitant poll 1) sell it 2) wait [12:12] they can get modern day weapons [12:12] we should wait a bit [12:12] 6QUICKPOLL: Sell rubber to India (1) yes (2) no [12:12] thats is 66gpt [12:12] 1 [12:12] 1 [12:12] 1 [12:12] 1 [12:12] 2 [12:12] 2 [12:13] they get it from greece otherwise [12:13] yes aggie , but its low , even 66 gpt [12:13] hmm... we have a number of AFKers in here :p [12:13] but then again better then nothing [12:13] it's income, but it might just bite up back sometime [12:13] i thought we already did india deal [12:13] * Arnelos slaps Nimitz around a bit with a large trout [12:13] it might indeed backfire [12:13] gola : who are you ? [12:13] 1 [12:13] nimitz , wake up [12:13] he's panag [12:14] ok [12:14] same ISP and using the java chat [12:14] no kidding shiber [12:14] sell it [12:14] no kidding , what nuclear rocket scientist did you consult to find that out [12:14] * Panzer32 has joined #civ3dem [12:14] hello [12:14] if i though they wouldn't get it elsewhere i would say no, but since they will i see we haveno choice [12:14] I just hope we aren't making a mistake.... [12:14] no sale before tanks [12:14] hi Panzer32! [12:15] WB [12:15] I humbly suggest we stop the turnchat by the next 45 minutes.... I fear we won't get any other turn done :( [12:15] wb Panzer [12:15] we are not gonna fight india any time soon are we? [12:15] what 'mistake'? [12:15] BACK [12:15] Spiffor... we need to at least get a few turns done... [12:15] * dejonBUSY is now known as dejon [12:15] CiverDan, i don't think so [12:15] 4Executing Aztec (deal) [12:15] we've got plans for the zulu, england and greece but none for india [12:15] selling rubber to Aztecs [12:15] WHAT [12:15] oh [12:15] I vote 2 on the poll [12:15] poll was for INDIA [12:16] no for aztecs [12:16] they can always sneak attack us , so no sale until we have tanks [12:16] 4oops... I didn't do it yet [12:16] 6QUICKPOLL - Sell rubber to AZTECS for 66 LPT: (1) yes (2) no [12:16] 2 [12:16] 2 [12:16] 2 [12:16] not this turn [12:17] 2 [12:17] 1 [12:17] 12 in the save we started with they didn't have rpo at the beginning [12:17] 1 [12:17] what turn are we in? [12:17] 1270 [12:17] 1270 still [12:17] hmmm , two saves around ? [12:17] panag : lloks like it [12:17] Panzer... for future refenerce, please don't give me WF change orders if no WF's have changed. Thanks :b: :) [12:17] there seems a lot of misunderstanding [12:18] ok Arnelos [12:18] * Zeit has joined #civ3dem [12:18] hey Zeit [12:18] hello Zeit [12:18] Hi everyone! [12:18] sure is crowded [12:18] hi [12:18] Arnelos : did you follow orders from the RAs or from my monster post ? I have changed some things from RA's orders [12:18] hi Zeit [12:18] I think I need to reload the game and start form scratch, somehow the power glitch I had has meed things up royally and I didn't realize it [12:18] guess shiber's cry on the boards was hear after al... [12:19] hi zeit! [12:19] arnelos please post your save so we are all on the same page [12:19] 4Spiffor - RA orders were already done [12:19] glad to see you here [12:19] Aggie - will do [12:19] 4POSTING SAVE MID-TURN [12:19] thats should solve evrything [12:19] good idea [12:20] in my save we can sell aztecs rp for 66gpt:) [12:21] Who still plays 1.21f here ? [12:21] i do [12:21] i do [12:22] both if needed [12:22] Aggie - same here [12:22] save is being uploaded....... [12:23] 4SAVE POSTED [12:23] cool [12:23] maybe manic miswrote rubber instead of rp [12:24] since the price was the same [12:24] we can always start the turn over again , just to be sure , ......? [12:25] well gtg bye [12:25] I think that it got glitched up when I had loaded it this morning, It's all very strange... [12:25] * Nimitz has quit IRC (Quit: ) [12:26] * dejon is now known as dejonBUSY [12:26] 8 maybe the banana is unhappy how his prophet is treated:) [12:27] aro , mailbox is full , ....... [12:27] Aggie... the price was NOT the same [12:27] manic said to leave inda and aztec trades up to SMC and pres [12:27] ok [12:27] he meant rubber... because he had the CORRECT save (the one with my FAM changes) [12:27] well lets redo this turn , just to be sure [12:27] * Shiber has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:27] no re-doing turns... all the orders are exactly the same either way [12:28] sorry , posted right after you [12:28] the only thing that changed was that we did PW+CP orders BEFORE FAM orders rather than after... the result is identical [12:28] so he has the correct on , then where is the mistake ? [12:28] hah , okay [12:28] but if the save was corrupted when I had my power glitch, then there is no telling what else might be bummed up [12:29] E_T... nothing was bummed up... I havne't noticed a single thing out of place now that I look back at the orders I wrote [12:29] * Shiber has joined #civ3dem [12:30] hi [12:30] sorry, my computer crashed [12:30] MSS (and appaerntly Spiffor as well) were using a copy of the save that I posted --- you used a slightly older save file (exactly the same but without my FAM changes) [12:30] memory protection violation... [12:30] * zeitan has joined #civ3dem [12:30] gola : moreover, restarting the turn would mean wasting 2 more hours and half :) [12:30] precisely [12:30] let's just MOVE [12:30] damn i got disconnected [12:30] o.k. [12:30] 4now... [12:30] i have the save up [12:30] ok [12:30] WAR [12:31] cool [12:31] war , cool [12:31] 6Everyone sees the save now... QUICKPOLL: Sell Aztecs rubber for 66 LPT - (1) yes (2) no (for the last time!) [12:31] I think I'll have to leave in 30 minutes approx... :( [12:31] lets get this show on the road! [12:31] 1 [12:31] i say yes [12:31] Spiffor... that's fine... you have PLENTY of deputies [12:31] 2 [12:31] 2 [12:31] not before we have tanks [12:31] Arn : nobody for PW [12:31] so 2 [12:31] 2 [12:31] Spiffor - I can do that [12:32] that's what the NewCon is for :p [12:32] 2 in the save you posted they still don't have rp [12:32] 1 [12:32] Aggie... they don't??? [12:32] panag, why are we afraid of india? [12:32] 4LOL - Aggie, you're right [12:32] not on mine at least let me relaod just to make sure [12:32] why do we need the reassurance of tanks before we can sell them rubber? [12:32] ok [12:33] yeah, our saves are hte same now :) [12:33] Arn : ok :) [12:33] and moreover, why should we not sell them rubber when another civ would the next turn? [12:33] good [12:33] ok... this is a bit different then [12:33] so lets sell rp to them [12:33] (I think MSS must ahve just typo'd) [12:33] 6QUICKPOLL (correction): Should we well the Aztecs Replaceable parts for 66 LPT? (everyone else already has it by now) [12:33] (1) yes (2) no [12:33] 1 [12:33] 1 [12:33] shiber , the vote is about the AZTEKS [12:34] do they have Rubber? [12:34] not INDIA [12:34] 1 [12:34] 1 [12:34] panag, yes i know, it was a typo [12:34] gola - I think he knows that already ;) [12:34] 1 [12:34] now , dont ask anything anymore today or even this year , try again next roman calender year or so [12:34] yes they have it, but not connected yet [12:34] * Zeit has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [12:34] yes but not connected [12:34] 4Due to our frustration with this guy... EXECUTING AZTECS (deal) [12:34] Arnelos, it's ok, he's just flexing his muscles [12:35] lets bonk some heads , panag neads a war [12:35] we are now 66 LPT richer [12:35] a worldwar [12:35] * DBTS has joined #civ3dem [12:35] * zeitan is now known as zeit [12:36] allas , invest that in banks and marketplaces [12:36] 4Would someone check on renegotiations with Greece [12:36] 1 [12:36] Panag : we are currently building units and factories. Soon, we'll make colosseums (because of WW) and hospitals. Banks will ponly be after that [12:37] manic says trade 1 lux at a time w/Greece [12:37] on renegot with greece the will give us 1gpt for peace [12:37] 4Who can check Greece renegotiations for me??????? [12:37] on renegot with greece the will give us 2gpt for peace [12:38] thank you AGGIE [12:38] that is 2 more gpt than before [12:38] arnelos, i'll load up the save [12:38] oh nevermind, aggie is already there [12:38] 3we can get 2LPT & 4L & WM for peace [12:38] Mss specifically ordered to let the peace deals ride for now... [12:38] Wouldn't it annoy our Grref allies ? [12:38] Greek [12:38] 3I suggest as much in cash [12:38] He wanted to renegotiate the luxes though [12:39] they don't come up for a few turns though [12:39] 2 turns on the luxes with Greece [12:39] * jdjdjd has left #civ3dem [12:39] ok... wonder why he has it in this turn's orders... oh well [12:40] spiff , can we rush a factory more here and there , .......? we need money , ..... [12:40] i'm afraid the budget wouldn't allow it [12:40] correction, the wartime budget [12:40] with money we can buy more , ..... maybe even buy those coll instead of building , is it feasable ? [12:41] we must get our riflemen and cannons up-to-date [12:41] eatin breakfast be back in a few [12:41] we can get 40 cash for greece peace (2 Rifle upgrades) [12:41] and WM [12:41] if that's all we can get then i say let's go for it [12:41] Gola : with all the units upgrades that need to be done, we cannot rush any factory this turn. Furthermore, it would be contraproductive to rush factories for now : in high shield cities, it will be done in a few turns, and the construction didn't start yet / is barely advanced in low shield ciites [12:41] is that all SMC ? [12:41] it's a shame they're broke... [12:41] 4Just check ALL CIVS for deals... there are none [12:41] Arnelos, including slave deals? [12:42] Shouldn't be any [12:42] if there are, let me know [12:42] aro , empty your pm box , its full ! [12:42] 4SMC... doing upgrades [12:42] ok, i'll open the save and help you out in a min [12:43] Back. Gola, I'll do it [12:43] btw, aren't we suppose to get the english off of our path to stuttgart? [12:43] we'll deal with that one last [12:44] Russia : peace for 29 gold and WM [12:44] 4E_T... I have 3 unmoved mil units [12:45] where [12:45] boats i think [12:45] @gola: done [12:45] * frightener has joined #civ3dem [12:45] 1 ironclad... 1 infantry... [12:45] E_T : Macross City is fine [12:45] yeah, it was somewhat controversial in the forum [12:45] hi frightener [12:45] you new? [12:45] could anyone help me!!! pls [12:45] and 1 rifle (in macross) [12:46] i need a new civ\art\units folder my doesnt work i have reinstall 2 times [12:46] 4move the Ironclad south [12:46] oh... another rifle (in Muncie) [12:46] i dont know why [12:46] you're not looking in the right place [12:46] Hi frightener [12:46] hii [12:46] 4"south"... due or also toward west to look for Roman [12:46] this is the Civ 3 democracy game room, i suggest that you ask in #apolyton [12:46] due [12:46] btw, i would have gladly helped you if i could [12:46] he asked already but only smac people there [12:46] best go to channel civ3dem all the big civers are there...i dont have the game [12:46] yeah, most of the Civ3 people are on #civ3dem [12:46] i were there [12:46] the iron clad [12:47] oh, ok [12:47] sorry i was up onthe page when i wrote that [12:47] let's switch to private so that we won't clutter the channel ok? [12:47] pls send me the folder !! [12:47] well shiber , you who know everything , you could help that poor guy , could you not ? [12:47] picking fights again [12:47] LOL... and this turnchat was already crazy enough :p [12:47] 4E_T... define what you mean by "south"? [12:48] * Spiffor has left #civ3dem [12:48] Could we have the Ministers in the Civ3demministers room please [12:48] * Spiffor has joined #civ3dem [12:48] back [12:48] sorry, I had a problem with my windows displaying [12:49] 3 due south. for the Ironclad, for 1 turns of movement [12:49] thank you [12:49] * NuclearisWinterius has joined #civ3dem [12:49] 4ironclad moved 4 south [12:49] what else [12:49] Hi, NuclearWinter... a Brazilian folk is here... [12:49] frightener, prepare to receive the zip file [12:49] 4rifle in Muncie, rifle in Macross, infantry in San Cortes [12:50] Fortify all [12:50] Are brasilians allowed in apolyton? [12:50] 4fortifiing all three units [12:50] Just one a time [12:50] :p [12:50] 4Turn end button appears!!! [12:50] Well, both are junglelands! [12:50] ;) [12:50] 4now... about England [12:50] We going to move teh slider? [12:50] still got that to worry about [12:50] shall we do a quickpoll? [12:50] gargh [12:51] * civ3-playa has joined #civ3dem [12:51] Hi, civ3-playa... [12:51] 16 people here, quite a crowd [12:51] i am frightener [12:51] :) [12:51] hi [12:51] ;]# [12:52] if it is too busyI can leave no prob [12:52] Isn't the prez responsible for the sliders ? [12:52] no, don't [12:52] Not too busy, stay :) [12:52] YEs, the Prez is... lemme go look at what joncnunn ordered [12:52] * frightener has quit IRC (Quit: 15I14m 15U14sing 15T14racer 15S14cript 15 v1.22- 14http://www.tracerscript.net 15W14asted: 159mins 51secs 14Online) [12:52] We can research in 4 turns with 50% taxes [12:53] yes, but we didn't know if it could be tweeked after teh WF changes or not [12:53] I´m gonna sit here quiet and watch [12:53] I say we don't have to hesitate one bit [12:53] 4SLIDER MOVED TO 70% - SM in 3 turns, Income 636 LPT [12:53] Pardon, what is Sm? [12:54] We're rich! (good times of old civ II...) [12:54] sci method [12:54] that's good for me, I still get the money to do my upgrades... [12:54] are we shelling htis turn or telling england to take a hike [12:54] Both I hope, and the Explorers too... [12:54] I have to leave now. Bye guys ! see you next chat ! (I'll try to have things better done) [12:54] SM = What Nimitz seems to enjoy doing with large trouts [12:54] alright [12:54] Bye, Shibber! [12:54] by spiffor [12:54] * Spiffor has quit IRC (Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)) [12:55] cya Spiffor [12:55] doh [12:55] Sorry, Spifor... [12:55] 4Arguments on England? [12:55] Sorry, Shiber... my old eyes are tricking me again... [12:55] do it, they have MPP so won't bother us [12:55] hmmm , it seems 50/50 with the milk queen [12:56] * DBTS has left #civ3dem [12:56] We need the way clear, for both this turn and the next, so ask here nicely [12:56] ok... I'll do it [12:57] *drums rumbling* [12:57] i really see no reason why they'd declare war on us [12:57] drums appreciated, lol [12:57] 4"Remove your forces from our territory or declare WAR" [12:57] you can never know... [12:57] me neither....this isnt PTW. [12:57] AFK for 5 min (RW issues) RW=real wifw [12:57] *wife [12:57] [12:57] 4"You really need to learn to relax, Banana. We will withdraw: You have my word on it. There now. Feel better?" [12:58] good [12:58] *sigh* [12:58] 4English units magically disappear from our territory [12:58] 3Yes we do, thankyou liz, you sl*t [12:58] lol hahaha [12:58] LOL [12:58] Liz is very polite... see you in few minutes [12:58] pillage time? [12:59] 4E_T... wanna move those Infantry into place? [12:59] yap time for our guided missles [12:59] yep [12:59] yes!! English are gone! [12:59] you´re declaring war on liz right now? [12:59] we almost have the record for longest turn [12:59] the great banana is watching over us ! [12:59] 6Arnelos notes that England is a very low and polite ally :p [12:59] 6*loyal ;p [12:59] 4move the explorers from Oak Ridge to Abandoment #1, we'll send them in one at a time [12:59] * civ3-playa has quit IRC (Quit: ) [13:00] 9 the banana inspired her to leave [13:00] arnelos , she cant be trusted , ....... she takes milkbaths , lol [13:00] 4I would pay good money for the stack movement order from PTW right now... [13:01] just wake them all and do j [13:01] use Cntl-J [13:01] * civ3-playa has joined #civ3dem [13:01] how i could start an hot seat game? [13:01] 4explorers moved to Abandonment #1 [13:01] you could have loaded it via PTW, it is possible, and the add ons(guerilla etc) dont appear this way, just the new comands [13:01] but you can't wake all, or fortify all, it's in 1.29 also. [13:01] Aggie... no "wake all" command in v1.21f :( [13:02] oh ok [13:02] * Panzer32 is now known as Panzer32_AFK [13:02] 4E_T... need further orders [13:02] That's one of the reasons that I started to play again, the 1.29 patch [13:02] * civ3-playa has quit IRC (Quit: ) [13:03] send one to Berlin #5 [13:03] thank you [13:03] 4send one to #4 & 6 [13:03] 4have 1 at Berlin #5... and? [13:03] lets get them is place first... [13:04] 121 to #3 and 1 to #2 [13:04] 4ENGLISH STACK OF RIFLE+ARCHER+SWORD SPOTTED AT BERLIN #8 [13:04] DOH [13:04] also greeks near stuggat(not a threat but still) [13:04] 4GERMAN HORSEMAN AT BERLIN #3 [13:04] and german horse at #3 [13:04] Does that english stack ruin the plan, E_T? [13:05] can we clear those tiles? [13:05] nope [13:05] we can clear everything BUT those tiles [13:05] oh, bummer then [13:05] we'll cut it next turn then... [13:05] Liz, get out of our way, pleas! [13:05] I need to play along here, getting "caught up [13:05] next turn to late, they'll have the units queued already [13:05] damn that woman [13:05] 4Berlin #14 is the railroad head... cut that and Berlin and Stuttgart are an island of RR [13:05] she will proabblt pillage herself next turn [13:06] I hope so [13:06] 12 question will these explorer targets prevent germany from attacking us in our country [13:06] i fear that she will attack berlin! [13:06] if they win the capital would move someplace else! [13:07] because we need them attacking [13:07] with a swordsman... so [13:07] If lizzy attacks with a swordsman, that will be funny [13:07] although there are little chances of that happening [13:07] man, they'd BETTER pillage that tile [13:07] shouldn't not thit the rifle stack were they are [13:07] good point [13:08] dont worry bout them taking the city.... [13:08] they can't with that stack [13:08] swordsman attacks rifleman... um... swordsman dies horribly [13:08] berlin is safe for us [13:08] 12send a Cav in to take the Horse [13:08] Can Berlin recieve trade through a tile Liz is occupying? (I know the city workers can't work it) [13:08] 12 will that hurt the mpp [13:08] 4which cav? [13:08] well , let them soften it up , ........ with milk ; lol [13:08] a vet [13:08] i can see that swordsman charging and suddenly hearing a gunshot, staring down at a great big hole in the middle of his chest and whispers "oh, shit..." before collapsing on the ground [13:08] ok... obviously ANY cav [13:09] just not Elite [13:09] 12 wait [13:09] waiting... [13:09] will this effet the mpp us attacking a unit on their soil [13:09] 4waiting... [13:09] hmmm [13:09] we will be o.k. aggie, as long as they attack that sword, the mpp's will activate [13:10] ok, that all i wanted to hear [13:10] the mpp's won't go away [13:10] I believe that E_T is correct [13:10] as long as germany isn MPP with anyone else we are fine [13:10] as you can see i rarely use mpp's [13:10] 4Too bad this isn't PTW... I want to rename that sword unit "Death Row Inmates" [13:11] I've done some research on this and I am very cinfident that Germany will attack the Swoar. I spend a whole day, running down posts at poly & civfanatcks researchin ghtis [13:11] 4Ready to attack horse with cav... ok? [13:11] k [13:11] go, Arn! [13:11] ATTACKING [13:11] sound the war horns!! [13:11] here comes the cavalry [13:12] 4Horse killed... no damage to cav [13:12] can you fortify him? [13:12] poor horse... :) [13:12] nope [13:12] k. have 2 expolers on the rail lines [13:13] 4"Unit has already moved" [13:13] 4Berlin #4 and Berlin #5 are rail lines [13:13] cavalry units can't blitz, therefore they can't fortify or move after they attacked [13:13] send explore to #2 [13:13] if my memory serves me right [13:14] shiber they can, but only if they have movement left [13:14] damn, there's a Sword & worker on Berlin #1 [13:14] 4Explorer at Berlin #2... German sword spotted at Berlin #1 [13:14] aggie, thanks for the correction [13:14] your welcome [13:15] :)) [13:15] we'll get all but 2 of the roads into berlin [13:15] the worker is probibly building Rail [13:15] well it was rather expected [13:15] can someone post the save from after we pillaged most of the tiles? [13:16] 4E_T... did you want 2 explorers at each of #3 and #4 (they have RR's) [13:16] we'll be going to the next turn shortly, shiber [13:16] can´t you guys cut any other roadsbehind berlin one/ [13:16] yes [13:16] ok, thanks [13:16] too far away [13:16] pillaging infrastructue , ...... and we shall hev to rebuid it , ...... [13:16] yes, beyond our range of five tiles from Abandonment #1 [13:16] have [13:17] 4You want me to go ahead and pillage? None of hte explorers have completed movement yet on pillaging (I had them all "wait") [13:17] with our industrious workers + doubled speed (thanks to replaceable parts), that won't be a problem [13:17] no pillaging [13:17] we shall have to rebuild it [13:17] when we have control [13:17] Then all the effort was fruitless [13:17] pillage on the SW side, and the RR, but wait tor the others [13:17] No pillage?? [13:18] panag, you haven't read the threads concerning disconnecting berlin for the sake of denying resources and luxuries to the rest of germany [13:18] 4Pillaging RR's only [13:18] occupy the spaces we want pillaged , ...... more efective [13:18] rr only [13:18] i can find the url for you if you're interested [13:18] agreed [13:18] there's no point in occupying a tile with an explorer [13:18] 4Should I pillage what roads I can? [13:18] 4send an explorer to Nuremburg #16 [13:18] shall we do a quickpoll on this? [13:18] 4please give orders in BLUE [13:18] only RAILROADS [13:19] 12sorry pillage 4,5,6,7 [13:19] 12send explorer from Aband #1 to Nuremburg #16 [13:20] darn, we cant cut Nuremburg off either [13:21] You know what - we should have spied on Berlin to check the feasibility of this before sending them in. [13:21] 12send new explorer to Nur #5, both at nurumburg, pillage [13:21] 4ENEmies spotted...rifle+archer+musket 2N+1NW of Berlin [13:22] shoot them [13:22] 4Enemies spotted... 2 rifle Nuremberg #7, 2 workers Nuremberg #6 [13:22] hmmmm , yum , slaves [13:23] 4pillaging Nuremberg #16 and Nurember #5... Nuremberberg #6 is still roaded [13:23] 4correction... Nuremberg #5 was a railhead... is now road rather than rail [13:23] 12 darn, send one more [13:23] i can't look at the save right now so could anyone please tell me if pillaging the tiles that we can will disconnect at least part of germany? [13:24] E_T... one more wo'nt do it... that stupid English sword is in the way [13:24] aro ? [13:25] not really, but it will help [13:25] Pillaging Berlin #17, #18, #19, and #20 would cut it off from the rest of Germany if we got the southern piece too [13:25] Yep? [13:25] pop up [13:25] Here, gola [13:25] i have to go, but good luck [13:25] bye, aggie [13:25] yes, but its too far for the exploreer to get to and still be able to pillage [13:25] souther piece = Hamburg #9 and #10 [13:25] by aggie [13:26] ok... you're right E_T [13:26] we should have 3 explorers left, right [13:26] we should at least disrupt the rail network [13:26] The plan is only to mess germany or it is to conquer berlin? [13:26] WE HAVE SEVEN EXPLORERS LEFT [13:26] great , get that railroad [13:27] what has been pillaged? [13:27] 4Pillaged: RR at Berlin #3 and #4, Road at Nuremberg #16 and RR at Nur#5 [13:27] 12k [13:27] NuclearisWinterius, we want to disconnect berlin in order to deny the rest of germany resources and luxuries and actually conquer germany later on [13:28] 4explorers standing (but not yet pillaged) on Berlin #5 and #6 [13:28] 4and Berlin #2 [13:28] 12 do it [13:28] got it [13:28] you have my blessing :)) [13:28] 4Berlin #5, #6, and #2 pillaged [13:28] how many exploreres are left at Abandonment #1 [13:28] all this railroad talk reminds me of when i was little and used to play with electric trains [13:29] 4Seven explorers still at Abandonment #1 [13:29] we can cut off Hamburg... [13:29] use them arnelos [13:29] ooh, good [13:29] * aggie has quit IRC (Quit: ) [13:29] should we quickpoll on whether to cut off hamburg or not or is there no argument on this? [13:29] Have we pillaged #4, if not send 2 [13:30] Hamburg #19 and #20 would cut it off from north... geting Hamburg #9 and #10 would cut it off from Berlin [13:30] 4#3 and #4 have had RR's pillaged, not roads yet [13:30] do them [13:30] It reminds me of historical reports [13:30] 12do them [13:31] and pillage the RR only on Berlin #15 [13:31] hmm, we should give priority to RR first [13:31] 4Berlin #3 and #4 pillaged [13:32] brb [13:32] * Shiber is now known as Shiber|BRB [13:32] 4RR at Berlin #15 pillaged [13:32] how many left noe, 2? [13:32] 3 [13:33] 4FOUR explorers remain [13:33] 4suggest... [13:33] hmm... having such a strong presence in the enemy terriotory makes me feel so good... [13:33] oh, you didn't send one more to Nurumber [13:33] RAILROADS arnelos [13:33] 3suggest Hamburg #10, and Berlin #9 and #10 [13:34] E_T... it wouldn't do any good... there's an English unit in the way [13:34] sounds okay [13:34] 12Do Berlin #9 [13:34] 4Berlin #9 pillaged [13:35] there is no rail at Hamburg #10 [13:35] 4Berlin #10 (wine tile) only road connection from Berlin to Stuttgarg and Nuremberg left [13:35] save teh other two for next turn, we might get lucky [13:35] there is still #11 [13:36] #11 doesn't matter... #2 and #3 have been cut [13:36] save the other 2 to do #1 & 8 next turn [13:36] we've slowed them down somewhat, that should be o.k. [13:37] E_T... STRONGLY suggest that we cut Berlin #10 and Hamburg #9 and #10 (would cut off both Stuttgart AND Nuremberg) [13:37] all German cities are still connected right now [13:37] go for it arnelos [13:38] Stuttgart is connected via Hamburg still, i't's o.k. [13:38] yes... but Stuttgart and Nuremberg can be cut off so that they're ONLY conencted to each other [13:38] * Shiber|BRB is now known as Shiber [13:38] back [13:38] hmm , go for it [13:39] you have my blessing arnelos :)) [13:39] This is E_T's call NOT mine [13:39] Nuremburg will be dealing with the english here shortly [13:39] you want me to post a screenshot? [13:39] save the 2 to try to get Berlin #1 & 8 next turn [13:39] screenshot would be nice [13:39] what about berlin #7? [13:40] panag is right [13:40] here... posting screenshot [13:40] is there an explorere there now? [13:41] if not12then go ahead and do # 7 and #10 [13:41] we can try to send some other units soon [13:42] WHAT IS MAX SIZE OF POLY IMAGE AGAIN? [13:42] 600k i think [13:42] 600x600 [13:42] where is that screenshot ? [13:42] thank you [13:42] 600X600 pixels [13:42] yeah, that [13:42] he's working on it [13:42] my mistake [13:42] i thought there was also a size (in MB) limit [13:42] what was it, 500k or 600k? [13:43] 600 pixels by 600 pixels for an attached image [13:43] with helps of the gods you can post bigger [13:44] yes, but regardless of that there's also a limit on the size, in MB, of an attached file (any file for that matter: image, zip, etc') [13:44] does anyone recall what it the limit? (just out of curiosity) [13:44] and I forget teh file size limit, but i's better to save an Image to your FTP and call it with the Image command [13:44] but that takes more time to do [13:45] 4posting screen... [13:46] any particular thread ? [13:46] the save thread I think [13:46] the save thread, of course [13:46] 4posted [13:47] I see it [13:47] yay!! [13:47] o.k.,, 3 left right? [13:48] RR with mine should go , ..... [13:48] pillage that wine? [13:48] it's out of range [13:48] no wait, it isn't [13:49] what do you guys think? [13:49] 12send 1 explorere to # 7 and pillage, send 1 to # 10 & 11 and pillage bothe [13:49] i think we should, they have no other source [13:49] not the wine , we need that at ones when we take over [13:49] of wine [13:49] 4Got it [13:49] It will take some time before we take berlin, in the meanwhile it hurts them [13:50] yes, they will start some, with us being there [13:50] 4Berlin #7, #10, and #11 pillaged [13:50] 4More SMC movement? [13:51] o.k.,12send Artillary stack (at Seeburg) to Seeburg #9, send 4 Infantry too [13:51] brb [13:51] * Shiber is now known as Shiber|BRB [13:52] 4German rifle+longbow spotted at Hamburg #7 [13:52] wel, wish you luck in the war [13:52] i gtg now [13:52] 4artillery moved to Seeber #9... moving inf [13:53] * zeit has quit IRC (Quit: ) [13:53] 4INF from where??? [13:53] * manicstarseed has joined #civ3dem [13:53] 12shell the stack that is at Hamburg #15 until they are 1/2 of health [13:53] I have them clost to Napoleton [13:53] NOTE: there are still 1 artillery and 2 inf at Abandonment #7 [13:53] leave them [13:54] hi manic [13:54] I count 5 inf south of Napolyton... send 4 or 5? [13:54] you should hanve 12 Art & 4 Inf at # 9 [13:54] 4 4 [13:54] 12 4 [13:54] what do I do with the 5th one then? [13:54] leave him for the meoment [13:54] ok [13:54] morning [13:55] 4four inf sent to Seeberg #9 and fortified (artillery ready to fire, sir) [13:55] fortify no 5 [13:56] 12fire on the stack of 3 that is at Hamburg # 15, until the stack is about 1/2 in it's streinght [13:56] 4roger... firing artillery [13:57] poor germans [13:57] hopefully, you'll have 3 left that you still haven't fired [13:58] 4six artillery fired... German stack down to... 1/3 rifle, 1/4 rifle, 3/3 longbow [13:58] they deservig, panag [13:58] 4two of the arty's were whifs [13:58] you gotta kilem before they get panzar [13:58] gola = panag? [13:58] * Shiber|BRB is now known as Shiber|Dinner [13:58] or they kill you :P [13:59] yes MSS [13:59] move th eremaining Artilary to Abandomnent # 7 and have all artillary there start shelling Hamburg [13:59] 12that last is supposed to be in blue [13:59] 4got it... moving all remaining artillery to Abandoment #7 to shell Hamburg directly [14:00] 12also move that 1 Infantr that you asked abo to that position too [14:00] we should shell first all troops in the open , before cities [14:00] If we shell all of the troop that are right next to Hambur, they will enter the city to heal, we don't want theat [14:01] take that back... I must have only fired FIVE artillery... 7 remain (+1 at Abandonment #7 makes for 8 artillery :evilgrin:) [14:01] 4Infantry moved into position -forted [14:01] 4EIGHT artillery ready to fire [14:01] 12pull the strings [14:02] INCOMING shout the poor germans [14:02] let us know how many units they got ni there [14:02] yes, please [14:02] Bye, guys. RW issues. See you in the forum [14:03] 4First 3 fires: Damaged a rifle, whif, CITIZENS KILLED (Hamburg = 11) [14:03] Bye aro [14:03] 4damaged another rifle [14:03] 4whif [14:03] have we triggered the MPPs [14:03] of course, it won't let us see things that aren't defencive, like th bow... [14:03] no [14:04] 4another whif [14:04] * aro has left #civ3dem [14:04] 4yet another whif (we're shooting from range 2) - all artillery fired [14:05] Have we dont th eupgrades? [14:05] oops... we have one artillery left [14:05] fire!!! [14:05] 4woohoo! [14:06] 4damanged another rifle... there are only 3 vet rifles in Hamburg.... all three are now damaged (not that that will matter... but it tells us there are currently only 3) [14:06] 12have we done the upgrades I listed to you? [14:06] 4all upgrades were already done ages ago.. we have 15 lytons in treasury [14:07] 12make sure that we are all fortified and I'm ready to go [14:07] ok [14:07] 4All units already forted or movement expended [14:08] 4hee hee..... READY TO END? [14:08] 12SMC is ready for next turn [14:08] What year, 1270? [14:08] yes [14:08] yes [14:08] 4FAM? [14:08] yes, 1270 [14:08] trades already complete [14:08] did we trade rubber or RPs [14:08] yes [14:09] well , arnelos , you are moving fast , thats great [14:09] We made deals with both Aztecs and India, as you requested [14:09] good, do the aztecs need rubber? [14:09] 4Aztecs need rubber, but are BROKE (we made the 66 LPT from selling RP) [14:10] we desided not to sell to them and they do have a supply, but not connected yet [14:10] yeah, lets wait a bit [14:10] 4FAM ready to end? [14:10] that is fine, the loonger they are with out rubber the soona americaa will fall [14:10] 4(Executive and DM are ready to end, btw) [14:10] END FAM [14:11] 12I'm going to go have a Cigarette, It [14:11] manic... just for teaching's sake... do you know how to put htat in blue? [14:11] no [14:11] been trying [14:11] it's CTRL-K then type 12 [14:11] yep , smoke break [14:11] 12 [14:11] cntl k then click on the color [14:11] I c [14:11] 12 [14:11] that's works too if you have mIRC [14:11] like this [14:11] and then type 3 like this [14:12] CTRL-K, click on color... then type what you want to say, then hit RETURN [14:12] 12 test [14:12] nod [14:12] you got it [14:12] good [14:12] 4Ending turn in 10 seconds [14:12] yeah. post save and I will review [14:12] * VladAntlerkov has joined #Civ3Dem [14:12] hey Vlad [14:12] hey Arnelos [14:12] 4TURN ENDS [14:12] 1hi vlad [14:13] just make sure you have a space if you want to put up a number, or it will interpate that as a color code... [14:13] nod [14:13] * Shiber|Dinner is now known as Shiber [14:13] i'm back [14:13] hi VladAntlerkov! [14:13] 9 9 [14:14] Germany has SWORDSMEN, still? :lol: [14:14] so de we [14:14] Was that a 3 hour turn [14:14] 4not for long , ...... [14:14] just that one [14:14] we've broken our former record! [14:14] yep [14:15] For attendance? [14:15] Oh, wait, turn length... [14:15] actually, i think that we have a swordsman or two [14:15] for the longest turn [14:15] :idiot: [14:15] wow.... war is a b*%$H [14:15] 4 hours I figure [14:15] what happened? [14:15] and just the first one, too [14:15] So you started on time [14:15] Hmmm, just noticed the Brits have a sword in there as well. Heh. [14:15] (Can't run Civ3 and IRC at the same time, my PC'd crash) [14:15] close to it, about 20 minuetes late, I think [14:16] How do you change screen name in mIRC w/o droping out? [14:16] Go to "Options" [14:16] type /nick new-nick [14:16] "/NICK new name" [14:16] or do it through options [14:16] Or that. :) [14:16] 4MPP's ACTIVATED [14:16] Yeah [14:16] I'm going to have a smoke now [14:17] * manicstarseed is now known as FAM_MSS [14:17] YEAH! [14:17] thanx [14:17] * SMC_E_T is now known as E_T_HAVING_A_SMOKE [14:17] saves posted? [14:18] i´ve been out for some time, could someone summarize what went on? [14:18] Cut most of the roads around Berlin, for starters. [14:18] we ended turn a min ago [14:18] bombed some german units [14:18] But not all of them. Nutbunnies. [14:19] units were in the way :( [14:19] english ones [14:19] damn liz! [14:19] Well, Berlin will be ours soon, so it won't matter. :) [14:20] Is the city about to fall already? [14:20] actually, the plan, as i understand it, is to allow berlin to continue to exist under the german regime for while [14:20] no... [14:20] we want to keep it disconnected and keep it as their capital [14:20] we just did some shelling [14:20] * Panzer32_AFK has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:20] * FAM_MSS is now known as FAM_MSS_AFK [14:20] Ah yah, to blast their research, right? [14:21] Ah. [14:21] and their production [14:21] And to keep them from making any deals... [14:21] (Not that they can't right now) [14:21] what else happened between turns? [14:23] * VladAntlerkov is now known as Vlad_being_evil [14:23] * Vlad_being_evil is now known as VladAntlerkov [14:23] Meh. [14:23] 4LOL LOL LOL LOL [14:23] 4Token swordsman DEFEATED the attacking German [14:24] * adaMada has joined #civ3dem [14:24] hello! [14:24] hey [14:24] 4but swordsman taken down by second attack [14:24] LOL! [14:24] hey mada [14:24] hey mada [14:24] 4Cavalry in German territory promoted to Elite and defeated two German units before being killed off when it retreated north [14:24] damn [14:25] 4POSTING SAVE [14:25] 14thanks arnelos [14:25] what type of units? [14:26] back [14:26] wb [14:26] that was a long one ET , ...... [14:26] * E_T_HAVING_A_SMOKE is now known as SMC_E_T [14:26] What happened to our pillage brigade-- I mean, our explorers? [14:27] they pillaged [14:27] They still alive after Germany's turn? [14:28] proably not, bu t we can hope.... [14:28] 4two explorers survived [14:29] good, now let's pillage something!! mwhahahaha [14:29] 4SAVE POSTED [14:29] w00t! [14:29] pillage:thumbsup:, german:thumbsdown: [14:30] * Panzer32 has joined #civ3dem [14:30] back [14:30] where are we at? [14:30] we can see about cutting the rest of Berlin off, good [14:31] 1275 [14:31] loading save.... [14:32] 4E_T... please note that Roman ironclad/galleon combo still moving toward Uber Isle [14:32] o.k. [14:32] they should be 5 away from our ironclad... due SW [14:33] 4Doing PW orders [14:33] cat, get you but out of my face.... [14:34] I´ll be back latter see ya people! [14:34] * NuclearisWinterius has left #civ3dem [14:35] we can cut off berlin now [14:35] We can? Cool. [14:35] awesome [14:35] any objections? [14:35] actually maybe not [14:35] there is still a German Worker at Berlin #1 [14:35] do we have any additional explorers left? [14:36] nope [14:36] yesi see that [14:36] damn [14:36] we cant then [14:36] stupid worker, lol [14:36] we can do #8 and send teh other back for a try next turn [14:37] do we have two explorers? we can cut stuttgart [14:37] BTW, our workers by New York are under threat.. [14:37] yes, we have [14:38] oh, good thing you've noticed that [14:39] Liz came right back into our territory... [14:39] We'll move a Conscript to watch him, which remeinds me, we forgot to Draft last turn [14:39] no draft [14:41] 4PW DONE [14:41] * Togas has joined #civ3dem [14:41] greetings [14:41] hey Togas [14:41] 3Loveshack is s canidate for Draft [14:42] no draft [14:42] we can do without [14:42] hello Togas! [14:42] hi togas [14:42] We really could use it, just 5 units is all I'm asking for [14:42] I'm catching up on things in the thread. [14:43] its not needed ET , and those mothers shall go unhappy , why do so , ........ think next time when they have to vote for you , ....... [14:43] 4Doing CP ORDERS [14:44] Who is the DM deputy? [14:44] Hey Togas! [14:45] Looks like we're right in the thick of things [14:45] hi togas, how's things in CA? [14:45] * gola has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:45] Hey Togas [14:45] Sunny and warm out here. Getting ready to do my last minute Christmas shopping. :) [14:46] 3Chiquita is also a cannidate for the Draft [14:47] 4CP ORDERS DONE [14:47] 4SMC time :) [14:47] di youdo PW? [14:47] [14:47] Excellent. [14:47] [14:47] 3CAN SOMEONE PLEASE RESEARCH FAM DEALS? THANK YOU [14:48] Arnelos, will do [14:48] Arnelos -- Sorry, can't today -- have some PTW stuff that's got to be done now, and then I've got to write a few Gazette articles [14:48] ok, Shiber - thanks [14:48] I understand, ada [14:49] greece has refining, others may have it too [14:50] 4Veteran Ironclad moved 3 SW and fortified... BRACE FOR IMPACT! [14:50] oh, and it's time to renegotiate peace; sadly, and as expected, they won't give the tech for continued peace [14:50] Shiber... MSS didn't want us to renegotiate those yet... he's AFK at the moment, let him handle those [14:50] Nutbunnies. Can we felch lpt out of them? [14:51] Arnelos, no prob [14:51] VladAntlerkov, no, none [14:51] Damn. [14:51] 4Artillery moved as E_T ordered... all artillery are around Abandonment [14:52] Indai has refining [14:52] india [14:52] good [14:52] * Kloreep has joined #civ3dem [14:52] Hi. [14:52] 12Shell Hamburg 3 times and let us now what the score is [14:52] and japan [14:52] 4E_T... 4 infantry still forted at Seeberg #9.. move them? [14:53] What turn are we on? [14:53] 1275 [14:53] Kloreep -- did you get my PM? [14:53] Cool. I can catch most of the chat. :) [14:53] no deals that could get us refining. what a shame [14:53] 12yes, to Aband #1 [14:53] wait, nevermind [14:53] Arnelos: I see no deals other than peace renegotiations, which I understand we are to leave up to MSS. [14:53] ada: adding it to the ToC right now. :) [14:54] hold a sec, have to get teh door [14:54] Kloreep: Ok, thanks :) [14:54] 4moving inf [14:55] 4Firing 3 arty's at Hamburg... [14:55] back [14:56] 4First bombard: BARRACKS DESTROYED [14:56]  use 2 Cav to kill the Rifle and then the knite to kill the bow at Hamburg #16 [14:56] 4next 2 bombards: both whifs [14:57] 12that should have been in blue [14:57] 4Killing shellshocked Germans at Hamburg #16... [14:58] 4elite or vet cav? [14:58] Vet cav [14:58] ok [14:58] Yay, Spiffor found my orders worthy of not changing. ;) [14:58] 4first cav takes 2 hits, then kills rifle (grumble...) [14:59] * FAM_MSS_AFK is now known as FAM_MSS [14:59] I am back. Itloks like some deals need to be looked at [14:59] I will examine... [14:59] 12senc all wounded to seeburg and Fortify [14:59] yes, please look at deals while we're doing SMC orders [14:59] * GK has joined #civ3dem [14:59] * GK1 has joined #civ3dem [15:00] hi [15:00] Hey GK [15:00] hey [15:00] hello GK and hi twin [15:00] FAM_MSS, i believe you asked us to wait for you with the peace renegotiations [15:00] hi GK! [15:00] 4second cav unscathed [15:00] what... why is everything double....... oh crap, I see, hold one... [15:00] * GK1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [15:00] Hi GK. [15:01] 4where should I send unscathed cav? [15:01] 12 and the knight to kill the Bow [15:01] * GK1 has joined #civ3dem [15:01] * GK11 has joined #civ3dem [15:01] lol [15:01] what the [15:01] now i am here three times..... [15:01] 4bow killed [15:01] 4 (no GL :( ) [15:01] 12 send him to New your and have the cav there jion the main stack [15:01] * GK11 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [15:02] GK -- I don't think I'm going to be able to get anything in for the Gazette this time [15:02] Sorry :( [15:02] Unless it gets delayed, that is [15:02] 4where do I send knight? [15:02] what's Hamburg showing? [15:02] * GodKing has joined #civ3dem [15:02] back to the knight stack [15:02] how is this.... [15:02] OK. I am only seeing things one time [15:02] or hold for the moment [15:02] HOWDY ALL. How is life? [15:03] 4Problem... vet German rifle on mountain 2 NE of New York can attack the 2 workers west of New York [15:03] knight can't move that fast... he just entered German territory [15:03] Have you done PW yet? [15:03] 12fortify the knight for now [15:03] PW was already done :( [15:03] just move an infantry there to cover them [15:03] we'll have an Inf withthem later [15:04] knight will almost certainly be killed at present location (irrigated grassland)... should I move him east into the mountains? [15:04] Any soldiers in range? [15:04] I mean west [15:04] * flash9286 has joined #civ3dem [15:04] i hope that this rifleman will take Boston so that we can take it back from the Germans [15:04] there are 2 German rifles 1 east of knight... should I move him west into mountains? [15:04] hi flash9286! [15:04] hi Shiber! [15:05] did you fortify him? [15:05] not yet [15:05] we hope to take hamburg this turn and he can move after we do [15:05] ok [15:05] need more orders [15:05] 3what is hamburg showing right now? [15:06] grumble... there's a German worker at Berlin #1 and he competed an RR [15:06] Gotta go - Have fun all [15:06] buy [15:06] bye [15:06] * dejonBUSY has quit IRC (Quit: ) [15:07] Hamburg "showing"? [15:07] yes, what unit and how healthy? [15:07] 4Hamburg: 11 pop, 4/4 Rifle [15:08] 12shell 3 times again [15:08] 5does anybody have anything else for the gazette? I am publishing it in the next 20 minutes or so. [15:08] 4shelling [15:08] 4whif, whif, damage by 1 - see another vet rifle on top [15:09] 123 times again [15:09] 4shelling [15:10] * flash9286 has left #civ3dem [15:10] 4only 2 were available... whif, damage a 4/4 down to 3/4 [15:10] 3 Updated FAM orders: Wait until our Lux Deald expire with Greece and then get Refining for them + whatever else we need to negotiate. [15:10] move one from #1 and use it [15:11] 4FULL STOP... Greece has Refining? [15:11] Yep [15:11] cool... [15:11] who else has it? [15:11] Japan, India [15:11] Good to see they aren't researching toward Hoovers. :) [15:11] England does not? [15:11] our allies [15:12] ok, that's not so bad [15:12] Aztec, trade Rubber for it.... [15:12] Ill check [15:12] precisely what I was thinking... [15:12] they dont need rubber now :( [15:12] 4BACK TO SMC [15:12] they connected their source [15:12] i already checked and i didn't spot any possible deals [15:13] however, we can lower the price during the peace renegotiations [15:13] Yep [15:13] 6Please check price for Refining... just for information's sake [15:13] 12move one of the Art from Aband #1 and shell Hamburg [15:13] sorry...I have 1.29 [15:13] Nod [15:13] 4moving art, shelling [15:13] we might be able to get a good price from greece. they're gracious towards us [15:13] 4CITIZENS KILLED - Pop is now 10 [15:14] Need to get ready. WIll be afk [15:14] ok [15:14] * Togas is now known as TogasAFK [15:14] send in the Army to kill one of the Rifle? [15:15] wouldn't that make the army vulnerable? [15:15] We need to just keep shelling... take down one city at a time [15:15] not if we take Hamburg, it will have a lot of help..... [15:15] buying refining is just impossible at the moment, unless we want to spend over 200 lpt :( [15:16] ok, I just wanted to know the price... it will go down as more people get it [15:16] I'm not worried about Refining yet... we're not working up that side of the chart just yet [15:16] I was wanting to shell Stuttgart, but go ahead12 move the rest of the Art from #1 and shell 3 more times [15:16] 4shelling Hamburg [15:17] 4whif, whif, 2 damage to a vet rifleman (a NON-fortified rifle now is on top) [15:17] well, see you later... Have to go now [15:17] okbye [15:18] Arnelos, well getting refining right now has it's advantages [15:18] * Panzer32 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [15:18] first of all, we most likely have oil, which we could sell [15:18] 3damaged? [15:18] no [15:18] 123 more times [15:18] 4shelling [15:19] 4more citizens killed... pop now 9 [15:19] GodKing, could you send me a list of the judges & the terms/months they have left? [15:19] 3how many Art's left to fire [15:19] I'd like to put that information in the Judicial section of the Directory. [15:19] 42nd shell: damage vet to 3/4... another non-forted vet rifle appears [15:20] that should have been in red [15:20] sure think kloreep - pm [15:20] 4third shell: vet rifle down to 2/4... another non-forted vet rifle appears [15:21] Thanks. :) [15:21] We have 5 more artillery... use them? [15:21] thast was that stack that was outside Hamburg, I should have shelled them instead of the ogher one,,,, [15:21] 12yep all [15:21] 4Trigger happy time [15:21] 4whif [15:22] 4whif [15:22] 4whif (we need to get closer) [15:22] we have damaged 4.. [15:22] 4TEMPLE DESTROYED [15:22] it was a risk, but we didn;t want to have them in hamburg, but they when anyways and they are now full streingh [15:22] kloreep - you should have it now. [15:23] Need to go. I'll see if I can come back later. [15:23] Thanks GK. [15:23] and til next turn anywahys [15:23] 4vet rifle damaged to 3/4 [15:23] And good suggestion. That's probably part of the FAQ, though... [15:23] 4another vet rifle appears [15:24] we can take it htis turn, but we'll take some losses [15:24] 3The jungle gazette has been posted. [15:24] Yay! [15:24] It looks like the bulk of the German army is in Hamburg or around Berlin [15:24] and the reast will be weak [15:24] Okay, bye now. [15:24] * Kloreep has quit IRC (Quit: ) [15:25] E_T... if you want to risk it... give me the order [15:25] 12 I'm going to wait until next turn to try to take Hamburg [15:25] thank you :) [15:25] 12 Official FAM: Greece, Japan, India and the Aztecs all have Refining they will part with it for WM+665L+118/123/109/126 LPT respectivly. Trade Greece up to (3) Lux and some gold next turn for Refining. [15:26] I think we just wait a turn, keep shelling [15:26] 4got it FAM... we'll do that next turn :b: [15:26] 4SMC... we have some other things to take care of... send knight into mountains to west? [15:27] 12 move one of the Inf from Aband #1 to cover teh knight, and one to cover teh Workers in NY [15:27] I am not long for this chat, The family is getting Quite restless ;) [15:27] 42 inf moved [15:27] GK -- Nice job on the Gazette :) [15:27] FAM_MSS, how much should we pay for refining? [15:28] what's your top limit? [15:28] 12move teh explorer @ Berlin #2 to #8 and raze [15:28] 4Germans spotted: longbow at Berlin #7, worker at Berlin #20, rifle at Berlin #6 [15:28] 4pillaged [15:28] With three luxes, not much I hope. As little as possible. [15:29] Thanks [15:29] Hard to say right now. Once the next turn save is posted, I will look [15:30] Ideally try to get them to offer it for the three luxes [15:30] 12that Explorere has movement left, send him to #9 [15:30] got it [15:30] 4German spotted: rifle at Berlin #9 [15:30] Mr Prez, how much left of this turn? [15:30] not much [15:31] what we're doing now, upgrades, and then end turn [15:31] 12have the other Explorer return home [15:31] the other one? [15:31] nod, I will stick around and examine the save for the refininng deals. [15:32] there's only 2, we just moved 1 and the other is at #11 [15:32] 4second explorer retreated [15:32] 4explorers done [15:33] 4We have several new cavalry --- add them to the veteran stack? [15:33] go and do other stuff, I'll give you a list of upgrades [15:33] 12yes [15:33] there is no "other stuff" to do [15:33] ah [15:33] upgrade teh following [15:34] 4We have a galleon in AGC [15:34] 4and a rifle in Boomtown [15:34] the ferry, is ther any unites built yet [15:34] unites? [15:35] * TogasAFK is now known as Togas [15:35] units, at Uber [15:35] yes... a new rifle [15:35] WB togas [15:35] ;) [15:35] have the ferry skip [15:35] 4what to do with new rifle in Boomtown? [15:35] wb Togas [15:35] wb togas :) [15:36] 12 upgrade AGC, 2 at Boom [15:36] 4what about THIRD rifle at Boom (New)? [15:36] 12move Rifle from Fort @ Hole to Hole & Upgrade, move Inf from Hole to Fort & Fortify [15:38] 4done [15:38] 12 upgrade Vet & Dijon [15:38] 4BOTH vet in Dijon? [15:38] 1 [15:38] 4done [15:39] 12upgrade 1 each, vets first. Macross, Rheim Opiadon [15:39] 4done [15:39] 12Del monte, Timeline, Seeburg [15:40] 4there is a conscript inf in Macross as well... [15:40] 12 TFC, Arbels [15:40] just teh vet, we are only doing 1/2 with the rest next turn [15:41] 4done and done [15:41] 4there are extra cav in those cities, btw... [15:41] Yes, reserve [15:41] ok, got it [15:41] 12Muncie [15:41] 12Ghenhistown & Heliopolis [15:41] 4Muncie done [15:42] 4done [15:42] 4345 lytons left [15:42] 4 345 lytons left [15:43] k, chek mil advisors screen for # of Rifle left [15:43] 4slider CANNOT be tweaked, btw [15:43] k [15:43] 4 23 rifle left [15:44] hey, let's try to conserve some money for next turn when we may possibly want to buy refining [15:44] Shiber... we make 647 LPT... it won't be a problem ;) [15:44] 12upgrade the last one in Boomtown and that will be it, the rest are for next turn [15:44] it's gonna cost nearly 3,000 [15:44] 4READY TO END? [15:45] wait a sec [15:45] any money we save and use in the deal instead of lpt will save us money in the long run because 18l = 20 lpt [15:46] there zare still 2 infantry fortified @ Aband #1, right? [15:46] 4correct - 2 inf at Abandonment #1 [15:46] move 1 to the Knight [15:47] to? [15:47] oh... I see [15:47] and teh other to Abandonment and fort [15:47] 4done [15:47] 4READY TO END? [15:47] and that should be it, unless I can Draft? [15:48] 12 FAM READY [15:48] I do not believe it critical while the Roman ironclad+galleon is so far away... we'll see if you need it due to losses from our invasion next turn [15:49] I I can only draft 1 per turn, I'd like to get started now [15:49] which city? [15:49] its more for when we start to take cities [15:49] I understand what it's for... which city? [15:49] 12Draft from Loveshack, please [15:49] 10 happy people... ok [15:50] 4DRAFTING FROM LOVESHACK [15:50] 12 move him to protect teh workers at NY also [15:50] 4 10 happy people -> 9 happy people [15:51] 12and SMC should be done [15:51] 4 moving lousy conscript to New York... appropriate? [15:51] 4READY TO END? [15:51] depends.... [15:51] 12DM and EXEC READY [15:51] 12smc is ready [15:51] 12 FAM READY [15:51] cool [15:52] 4turn ends [15:52] Long turn. [15:52] brb [15:52] * Shiber is now known as Shiber|BRB [15:53] I do not expect greece to cancel the lux deal, It is too good for them [15:53] but not as long as teh last one, were getting better.... [15:53] Yeah that was only 1:45 approx [15:53] 4China declares war on the Aztecs (like it matters) [15:53] Wish I could stay, guys. But Christmas shopping calls and the girlfriend is getting impatient with me. [15:54] ok [15:54] cya togas [15:54] Cya soon, I hope :) [15:54] C U Togas [15:54] I'm looking forward to the reports on the war [15:54] hehe TOGAS I amin the same boat sans girfriend add wife [15:54] have fun [15:54] ;) [15:55] only 4 shopping days till Christmas.... [15:55] * Togas has quit IRC (Quit: ) [15:55] and I'd buy PTW if I had any spare money [15:55] I wish I had a girlfriend... [15:55] * VladAntlerkov punches in wall [15:56] is it good, or bad.... it has it's pluses and minuses.... [15:56] It' [15:56] yeah but they badger you "STOP PLAYING that F()&%ING GAME" [15:56] s okay. Just d/l the patch. [15:57] I want cuddles [15:57] They are as bad as kids [15:57] we'll, by the time I can afford it, there should be two more patches out.... [15:57] I have been holding out for xmas [15:57] Heh. [15:58] I warned them. Get it for me or come the 26th, Its amazon for me [15:58] must have been a lot going on.... [15:59] we'll the Barracks in Hamburg are destroyed [15:59] 4Source of Iron at Abandonment #7 exhauseted... moves to Abandonment #17 (inside German territory) [15:59] so the wounded will take longer to heal [15:59] * Shiber|BRB is now known as Shiber [15:59] 4TWELVE German units (10 rifles and 2 longbows) leave Hamburg... 4 of them enter our territory near Abandonment [16:00] but it's not roaded, so it won't effect them [16:00] now im glad we didnt try to take the city that turn... [16:01] good , the way to Hamburg is clear..... [16:01] :relief: [16:01] The AI concentrates units, but so improperly [16:01] 4Greeks invade Germany in north with infantry stack from Aztec territory [16:02] Oooh a distraction, the mmps are doing thier part. Germany will send a detachment their soon [16:02] 4English stack East of Abandonment retreated back into English territory [16:02] as long as their Cav don't get there soon [16:02] k [16:02] 4Roman ironclad+galleon bypass our ironclad... still headed for Uber Isle [16:03] 4saved... posting [16:03] galleons only carry 4 correct? [16:03] yes [16:03] not too bad [16:03] but the Ironclad can bombard [16:04] annoying at worst. [16:05] I suggest that we change the Boontowm build to Artilary and Ruch it next turn, so we can bombard the Ironclad back [16:05] I agree [16:05] once it takes dammage it will flee for a safe port [16:06] I'll have the Ironclad chase them and Bombadr teh Irclad now. [16:06] 12 I'm going to get a smoke [16:07] * SMC_E_T is now known as E_T_HAVING_A_CIGARETTE [16:07] The strengh of the human player vs the AI is our ability to prioritize..ET: Enjoy [16:08] 4SAVE POSTED [16:08] MSS... go ahead and research deals [16:09] I have to go. Enjoy. Don't stay up to late kiddies. [16:09] * GodKing has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [16:09] * GK1 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:09] * GK has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:12] Do not renegotiate Coal with Japan [16:12] back, loading save now [16:12] * E_T_HAVING_A_CIGARETTE is now known as SMC_E_T [16:12] 12 Do not renegotiate Coal with Japan [16:12] ok [16:13] 4 vet 1 reg rifle NW of abandonment [16:13] Greece will trade refining for all our gold (972) + the three luxes with no per turn, Looking more closely [16:14] 4Doing PW orders and CP orders now [16:15] * Spiffor has joined #civ3dem [16:15] wow, still here ? :p [16:15] hey Spiff [16:15] hi Vlad [16:16] 12 Greece will trade refining for 972 L (all we have) + (3) luxes with no per turn, OR 53 LPT (+3 luxes) [16:16] Is it a marathon going on ? This chat has startded almost 8 hours ago :) [16:17] FAM_MSS, looking good [16:17] I leave it to you Mr Prez to go for it or not. I am sure that we want the cash on hand, do you think we can manage the 53/turn? [16:17] Actually, I'll be back in five minutes [16:17] Cya then :) [16:17] i think we can return most of that money after we sell some oil which we most definitely have [16:17] FAM_MSS : that's too much money. We'll have severe money losses in the future if we accept this deal [16:17] assuming that there are any clients left, of course [16:18] * adaMada has quit IRC (Quit: ) [16:18] I tend to agree, the next question is shall we "hurt" greece by canceling the 5/turn we are getting for the (3) lux? [16:19] or wait a turn or two or three? [16:19] how much can we get for the luxes by themselves [16:19] I will look [16:19] we would be lucky to have more than 1 oilo [16:19] oil [16:19] we haev no tundra..and not much desert [16:19] and we won't need teh oil until combustion [16:19] WM + 8L for any one lux [16:20] I beginningto think we should make greece miss those lux [16:20] for a turn or two [16:20] let it ride then, unless we can use one of the luxes somewhere else [16:20] I think we should let the Greeks profit from our lux, as it will focus them on war effort [16:20] K' then.. [16:21] we can use them for the Ivory Deal that's in 7 turns [16:21] 12 Let the lux deal ride with greece for a bit [16:22] and if they want to renegote, we should drop it, IMHO [16:23] 12 Sounds good. Let it ride for 7 turns, we will examine again. If they renegotiate befor that, we will let it drop [16:23] Iroquios aztecs rome japans will have most of the oil [16:23] We are in turn three of this chat huh [16:24] yes, after quite some time (turn one needed approx 3 hours :) ) [16:25] 4PW DONE [16:25] 4Starting on CP [16:25] hi Arnelos [16:26] 12 everyones prices for refining are coming down a bit (about 10-12%) so we should be able to afford it in a few turs or so. Nuff said, I will be AFK for a while [16:27] * FAM_MSS is now known as FAM_MSS_AFK [16:27] well, I have to leavce again. Good luck with the chat ! [16:27] * Spiffor has left #civ3dem [16:27] * canyontree has joined #civ3dem [16:29] done shopping, year is? [16:29] 4CP ORDERS DONE [16:29] 1280 [16:29] thanks [16:29] hi Spiffor :) [16:29] doh [16:31] what? [16:32] canyontree = roadcage, not spiffor [16:34] we should be taking Hamburg this turn [16:35] yes [16:35] 4Apolytonian Ironclad bombards Roman ironclad... Roman Ironclad now 2/4 ! :D [16:35] nice [16:35] kewl! [16:35] * Panzer32 has joined #civ3dem [16:35] hello [16:35] whats up? [16:35] I'm giving Arnelos some SMC moves and such on anouther screen [16:36] 1280 now [16:36] we broke the record with the longest turn on just our first turn [16:37] yes.. I've been in and out [16:39] we are doing the basic moves & upgrades, we should be all upgraded after this turn [16:39] except for teh galleys & caravels thatare still coming home [16:44] * roadcage has joined #civ3dem [16:44] SSgt Roadcage, how's your retirement? [16:45] 4ALL RIFLES UPGRADED TO INF [16:45] we will be strong very soon, sargent [16:46] see [16:47] 4 512 lytons in treasury [16:47] 4 [16:47] 4FAM - you have no use for lytons? [16:48] he is away i think [16:48] 12ready for WAR??? [16:48] 4READY!!! [16:49] 123 Art, bombard Hamburg and report [16:49] CiverDan... oh :( - well, I just wanted to be sure. He said earlier that he had no use for them this turn [16:49] 4shelling... [16:49] * Shiber- has joined #civ3dem [16:50] * adaMada has joined #civ3dem [16:50] * Shiber has quit IRC (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Shiber-))) [16:50] back again :) [16:50] * Shiber- is now known as Shiber [16:50] 4Citizens Killed (POP=8), Vet Rifle 1 hit, Library destroyed [16:50] hello adaMada [16:50] wb [16:50] * adaMada has quit IRC (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+4KSIRC/1.2.1) [16:50] hello [16:50] 12 The Art that you moved to Abandon #1, shell the rifle stack, also have teh art that is in the city shell them too [16:50] i must go now guys [16:50] it's getting late [16:50] ok bye [16:50] bye [16:50] 3what's shoring in Hamburg? [16:50] good luck then!! :) [16:51] 4selling rifle stack [16:51] 8showing [16:51] * Shiber has quit IRC (Quit: Good luck C3DG!) [16:51] * adaMada has joined #civ3dem [16:51] hello (again)! [16:51] lol [16:52] 4 Veteran damaged to 3/4, Veteran damaged to 2/4 [16:52] were about to take GHamburg [16:52] 3 more on Hamburg [16:52] 4Hamburg is showing a 4/4 Rifle [16:52] Ok :)" [16:52] ! [16:52] if we can get that pop to 6..it will be easier to take [16:52] 4Shelling hamburg again... [16:52] nod [16:52] and to keep, if we want it [16:53] * canyontree has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [16:53] 4Veteran rifle to 3/4, whif, whif [16:53] 12 3 more [16:54] 4shelling :) [16:54] 12 and plese tell us what is showing after you damage them... [16:54] 4veteran rifle hit for 2 hitpoints... Hamburg now showing a non-forted 4/4 rifle [16:55] hmm, send in the army? [16:55] 4CITIZENS KILLED (pop=7) [16:55] how many arts left to fire? [16:55] almost there... [16:55] 4whif [16:55] * roadcage has quit IRC (Quit: ) [16:56] 4more? [16:56] 12 how many more Arts left to fire? [16:56] * canyontree has joined #civ3dem [16:56] hmm... lemme see [16:57] 4 11 more arty's (counting the new one just produced in Napoleton) [16:57] 12 move that one to the stack and fire 3 more [16:58] 4A vet rifle is now 3/4... another 4/4 rifle appears (non-forted) [16:58] 6 hit [16:58] 4whif, whif [16:59] 123 more [16:59] 4shelling galore... [16:59] 4CATHEDRAL DESTROYED [17:00] 4A vet rifle is now 3/4... A forted 3/4 rifle is now showing :) [17:00] yes [17:00] 7 rifle in there [17:00] 4whif [17:00] 4what now? [17:00] 4still have 5 artys [17:00] and Banana knows what else :) [17:00] 3 more [17:01] 4shelling :) [17:01] 4 3/4 rifle is now 1/4 :D [17:01] I love the smell of Cordite in the morning..... [17:02] 4ANOTHER 3/4 rifle becomes 1/4 :D :D :D [17:02] :D [17:02] come on 6.... [17:02] 4a 3/4 rifle becomes 2/4... a NON-forted 3/4 rifle now showing [17:02] 12send in the Army [17:02] 4two artys left [17:03] 4fire more arty's first? [17:03] I would [17:03] fire! [17:03] 12 hmmm, quick poll, save the 1, of fire 2 [17:04] 2 [17:04] 2 [17:04] there are 2 of them [17:04] 12 pull this last 2 strings.... [17:04] 4shelling :D [17:04] Artillery fire is like Airline seats. Use em or loose em [17:05] 4whif, 3/4 rifle to 2/4 - another (last?) 3/4 non-forted rifle showing [17:05] 4Army ready for invasion [17:06] E_T? [17:06] what is city pop? [17:06] 7 [17:06] Pop is 7 :( [17:06] 3 SSGT Roadcage (as CanyonTree), \would you please give to order [17:06] thanks [17:06] Charge! [17:07] 4E_T... have the -army- attack first, not some vet cavs? [17:07] yep [17:07] ok [17:07] 4ARMY CHARGES [17:07] * VladAntlerkov has quit IRC (Quit: Vlad Highwind fades from existence) [17:08] 4Army fired on by a canon (lose 1 hp), take down 3/4 rifle (lose another 3 hp) [17:08] good [17:08] what shows now [17:09] 4a 2/4 forted rifle showing [17:09] 12 Elite Cav [17:09] 4Elite Cavalry CHARGE [17:09] 4Elite cave now 4/5... 2/4 rifle defeated [17:10] good, showing? [17:10] 4Hamburg showing another forted 2/4 rifle [17:10] It depends on what is showing as to what I'll be sending nest [17:10]  [17:10] 12 Elite Cav again [17:11] 4Elite cavalry charge [17:11] 4elite cav DIES :( - 2/4 rifle now 1/4... another 2/4 forted rifle showing [17:11] :( [17:11] 12 last Elite Cav [17:12] 4attacking with last elite cav [17:12] 4A GREAT LEADER!!!!!! [17:12] woohooo [17:12] yea, go arn! [17:12] shoulh we stop turnchat? [17:12] Take it to the Forums! [17:12] :PARTY: [17:12] :D :D [17:13] YAY!!! [17:13] not until we get done with Hamburg, we only hanve an elite kigght that could possibly be used and he will probibly die [17:14] as long as we dont plan on using any more elites..we are ok for this turn' [17:14] just dont end the turn... [17:14] 4posting screenshot... [17:15] An army if Infantry would be good to protect the artillary when we start shelling berlin [17:15] 12I want a screenshot of the capture of Hamburg, too..... [17:16] 12 we do have a PW reserve??? [17:16] we should have the 8 natives [17:16] I just don't see them is all.... [17:17] * Retrieving #civ3dem info... [17:18] place one each on every hill or mountain that can be reached from sea [17:18] um.... PW reserve? [17:19] 4screenshoot posted [17:19] withregards to GL, if no other civ has Sci Meth, rush US [17:19] yes, 8 workers tah I was to have use of [17:19] no, change US to Intel or Mil acad and use the GL for US somewhere else [17:20] 4We have no authority to use the GL at this time [17:20] do we? [17:20] we know, we are just debating it.... [17:20] ah, ok [17:20] btw... we should at least finish out turn (but not end) [17:20] 12 anywanys, what's showing at Hamburg and fortify the GL [17:21] 4Hamburg shows a non-forted 2/4 rifle [17:21] 4Mentuhotep forted [17:21] 12Vet Cav [17:22] Heck, MOVE the GL to safety! [17:22] we will, in a moment [17:22] conyon...if we switched to mil acad or intel...the city would build it the same turn we get sci meth [17:22] we should wait until we control the railroad [17:22] lol [17:22] he's very safe right at tehmoment [17:23] oops -- wrong window :D [17:23] unless we purposely get city production [17:23] lets take hamburg furst [17:23] let's continue FIGHTING right now [17:23] *cut [17:23] correct, that's why I was asking about the PW reserve..... [17:23] 4E_T... need more military orders [17:23] 4Where is the "PW reserve"? [17:23] 12 I said Vet Cav [17:23] brb [17:23] 4Vet cav attacking [17:24] used aparently.... [17:24] 4vet cav takes NO damage, promoted to Elite :) [17:24] :) [17:24] nice [17:24] another vet cav? [17:24] good, replaces teh lost one [17:24] 12yes [17:25] 4another vet cav attacking... we're down to the shellshocked 1/4 forted rifles :) [17:25] yeah [17:25] 4 rifle defeated... no damage (but no promotion, either) [17:25] 12one more Vet Cav, when you take teh city DO NOT RAZE IT [17:26] 4Vet cav defeats 1/4 rifle... but cav now 1/4... another forted 1/4 rifle showing [17:26] And then use the mil PW reserve to rail Hamburg [17:26] 12 more [17:27] doh! [17:27] I think that the reserve was used this turn, so it will be next turn.... [17:27] 4Vet cav killed... 1/4 rifle promoted to 2/5 elite rifle [17:27] good [17:27] no... bad [17:27] werong, bad [17:28] 12I looked at it backwards, continue unti the city is ours [17:28] 4charing [17:29] 4take THAT you German scum... elite 2/5 rifle killed... our cave takes 2 hp damage [17:29] 4regular longbow showing [17:29] hah [17:29] too bad we have a GL, or I'd use the Knight now.... [17:30] 4HAMBURG TAKEN [17:30] * zeit has joined #civ3dem [17:30] hi zeit [17:30] 12 a screen shot of the city, please??? [17:30] wow, people are still here [17:30] 1280 [17:30] how are things? [17:30] just took Hamburg and we have a GL [17:30] got a Great Leader!! [17:30] oh yeah! [17:31] and losses? [17:31] 2 Cav?? maybe 3 [17:31] 2 vet cav 1 elite cav [17:31] that's great [17:31] 4two resistors [17:31] one vet promoted to elite [17:31] i see otto's defenses are [17:32] 4captured the German canons [17:32] *canon [17:32] crumbling facing the wrath of the banan [17:32] a [17:32] upgrade that cannon [17:32] we don't have any PW reserve this turn, correct? [17:33] but it's only road [17:33] how many cannon? [17:33] 4You want a screenshot inside city or outside? [17:33] Inside [17:33] doing so... [17:33] 1 [17:33] both [17:33] only 1 fired on us [17:33] we can all see it momentaryily.... [17:34] I don't think that you can upgrade in a city that isa resisting.... [17:35] i thought u just need a barrack and resource connection [17:35] I want to know if it worth keeping it or building a new one..... [17:35] No I cannot. No civ engine here [17:35] will we be stopping after this turn? [17:35] 12Arnelos, post teh save, too [17:35] yes [17:36] We have adequate cash flow. Gold is cheap Shields are dear [17:36] 4We should be stopping at end of this turn, yes (due to GL) [17:36] yes, after we move units and other things... [17:36] thought so, Any FAM concerns? [17:36] grr... file is too big (sure it will only take 600x600?) [17:37] no unless you count Otto shakeing from the rumble or far off Artillary.... [17:37] Nop that is just point and laugh. [17:37] Compress it down some, [17:37] ok... [17:37] I should take off and xmass cookies beg to be coocked, like ottos foose ;) [17:38] goose,that is [17:38] it looks crappy [17:38] attaching... [17:38] We need to determine if we can use GL immediately [17:38] Great job folks. [17:38] oh, well. post the save too, I can tru to make a better one,... [17:38] * BetaHound has joined #civ3dem [17:39] hi betahound, bye all [17:39] 4screenshot posted [17:39] hi betahound [17:39] hello folks [17:39] * FAM_MSS_AFK has left #civ3dem [17:39] hello [17:39] we;;. O [17:39] *well, I've gotta go [17:39] only th ebarracks & granary (both from our wonder.... [17:39] ok [17:39] good luck for the rest of the chat :) [17:40] how many rifle are to the N of teh cuty [17:40] and for anyone I don't see again anytime soon, happy holidays [17:40] * adaMada has left #civ3dem [17:40] and one Cannon, see if you can upgrade it [17:40] 4E_T... orders for WF and queue for the city? [17:41] 12 see if you can upgrade the cannon, first [17:41] trying [17:41] I can [17:41] good [17:42] 4canon now arty [17:42] we have no PW reserve at this moment, correct? [17:42] What about stuttgart, are we shelling it? [17:42] no arty left to shell with [17:42] no Arts this turn, the next one, yes... [17:42] we used all arty to shell hamburg [17:42] we still have those idiotic germans in our territory, btw [17:42] do we have a plan for those germans? [17:42] 12 they will die soon, but not this turn [17:43] are they still on the mountains? [17:43] yes [17:43] we shelled them some [17:43] Arn..how many rifle are on Berlin #15 [17:43] they are on a hills tile NW of Abandonment [17:43] just wait for them to climb down, and *bang bang bang* [17:43] 4one 3/3 rifle at Berlin #15 [17:43]  [17:43] oh, it means abandonment will have to take some blows... [17:44] 12 please post eh save. [17:44] but rifle vs. Inf sucks badly [17:44] does otto have some cavs? [17:44] 4posting mid-turn save... [17:44] add one artilary to boot, in the city, we should be o.k. [17:45] did the romans do any trouble? [17:45] none [17:45] no land units [17:46] we did some damage to their Ironclad, but the Roman Front is very Quite, I wonder why..... [17:46] Romans did nothing other than get shelled by our ironclad [17:46] The Russians are probably kicking Roman A-- due to their golden age [17:46] 4save posted [17:47] Russia will take some time untill the GA starts to have real effect, but our active defense took alot of sting from rome's offense [17:47] loading it now [17:47] took the sting, oops [17:48] and thir defence, too [17:48] Rome is probably busy with russia, if they havn't attacked by land so far [17:49] 12 because it looks like Hamburg is of no real value, I deam that we bring up one of the settlers and abandon Hamburg and build a New City [17:49] damn, E_T, you're cruel, and what about the civilians? [17:49] :) [17:50] 4HOW MANY THREADS ARE SHIBER AND PANAG GOING TO SPAM IN? [17:50] this close to berlin [17:50] not with 3 resistors and having to starve them down [17:51] there's only 2 resistors, FYI [17:51] 12bring one of the settlers from oak Ridge to Hamburg [17:51] 4E_T... is that REALLY necessary... resistors go away after a while [17:53] 4E_T? [17:53] the city has no intrinsic worth to us, but will cost us having to keep a heavy defence i\until the resistance is over AND until the war is over, due to flipping.... [17:53] it gets replaced [17:53] 12 bring one of the settlers to Hamburg [17:54] 4Well, as long as there is resistence, it's your city. bringing a settler to Hamburg [17:54] 4a settler is now forted in Hamburg [17:54] u cant abandon while in resistance [17:54] 12 when he arives, abandon the city and build a new one, you can name it what you wish [17:54] 4it will not let me abandon [17:55] 12@#$%&#*$_# [17:55] see [17:55] Replace hamburg [17:55] k. [17:55] * canyontree has quit IRC (Quit: ) [17:55] wait up... this is oddd [17:55] * canyontree has joined #civ3dem [17:56] um... [17:56] 4HAMBURG ABANDONED - that was odd [17:56] hmm [17:56] the screen went entirely black for a bit [17:56] saving... (just in case) [17:57] 4Founding a new city... [17:58] 4Howitzerville founded [17:58] LOL [17:58] 12Set WF to max food, temple for a build, then Court as the next in Q for now [17:59] I guess garden ponds could fill the shell craters... [17:59] it ass iron to the soil :p [17:59] adds [18:00] 4done (though it is now under DM authority :p) [18:00] it is now. 12 move the 2 Inf & Knight into the city & fort [18:00] 4E_T... you have the save... more orders? [18:01] 4done (2 inf and knight forted in Howitzerville) [18:01] bring a Vet In from See burg and fort on the Cav stack [18:01] 4I need to get going... [18:02] 4done [18:02] let's move this along... [18:02] why don't you just pos the save here and I can do the rest of the moves [18:03] not unless we want to kill that Rifle that is just across the boarder... [18:04] 4alright, that works. Make sure NOT to end the turn when you're done with it, though. I'm tweaking the slider down to 60% (income now 804 LPT, SM still in 1 turn) [18:04] * VladAntlerkov has joined #Civ3Dem [18:04] 12 do you want to attack that one rifle? [18:04] hey all [18:04] Just checking in... [18:05] 4sure [18:05] hello [18:05] 4what with? [18:05] we're going to be stoping shortly [18:05] quiet - war in progress [18:05] Vet Cav [18:05] 4the rifle south of Howitzerville or the one south of Berlin? [18:05] Berlin [18:05] got it [18:05] he takes 1 hp, cav takes 2 hp... cav retreats [18:06] keep attacking? [18:06] 12move cav to Holettervill & Fort, anouther [18:06] go for it!!! (E_T?) [18:06] Renamed Hamburg already? ;) [18:06] 12 kill the germans [18:07] technically..abandoned adn founded new city [18:07] we placed a native city in its place [18:07] Ah. [18:07] [18:07] 3I wish I had son Wagner playing right now.... [18:07] Assimilate them. [18:07] [18:07] 4cav loses 2 hp, kills german rifle [18:07] Yay us. [18:07] hurrah [18:08] 12 post the save and call the chat..... [18:08] and get your men some rest... [18:08] 4posting and saving [18:08] that's some cheesy cliche [18:08] How many turns did we do? [18:08] What year are we at? [18:08] 2 [18:08] 1280 [18:08] Ah. [18:09] 12 I'll move the units and repost the save in less than 5 hours, in the chat thread [18:10] Oh tannenbaum oh tannenbaum (German version of Oh Christmas Tree) [18:11] 4does someone have a FULL chatlog? E_T? [18:11] We gave Hamburg a real Christmas Treat, huh.... [18:11] * VladAntlerkov has quit IRC (Quit: Vlad Highwind fades from existence) [18:11] Yes, I'll post it soon, too [18:11] good... still posting save.... [18:11] 4SAVE POSTED [18:12] 4CHAT ENDS [18:12] yep, but our boys will have to keep fighting in the harsh winter [18:12] bye [18:12] now for the discussuon on the GL [18:12] I'll have a glass of brandy for them. [18:12] yay..only 8 hours [18:12] the boys from the sunny jungle against the winter hardened germans, it will be a tough one... [18:12] Bananas rule! [18:12] You guys see the name of the savefile? ;) [18:12] 4gotta go [18:13] * Arnelos has quit IRC (Quit: ) [18:13] war save [18:13] hmmm [18:13] ROFLMAO [18:14] . [18:14] ? [18:14] * canyontree has quit IRC (Quit: ) [18:14] you're a mean one, mr et.sav [18:14] he named the save file " you're a mean one, mr et.save" [18:14] woof .... bye [18:14] * BetaHound has left #civ3dem [18:15] we could continue building US...and rush ToE in another city next turn [18:15] the next Settler is for Stuttgart [18:15] E_T, have fun with the sav, and best of luck [18:15] bye