Session Start: Fri Dec 13 16:52:54 2002 Session Ident: #civ3dem [16:52] * Now talking in #civ3dem [16:52] hi et [16:53] hello [16:53] Aggie, I need about 45 Minutes to finish up [16:53] * E_T is now known as E_T_Busy [16:55] ok thats fine w [16:56] just let me know when your done and we will start then [16:56] k. [16:56] 9LOG STARTS NOW [16:56] what log [16:57] the log that records the whole chat so we can look back later to see what stupid things i do:) [16:58] hmm [16:58] its says logfile doesnt exist [16:58] thats funny [16:59] yes [16:59] whats really funny is that its the announced time and only three are here [17:01] annoucned time for what [17:02] for the chat [17:02] ah ok [17:03] FYI, I have Undernet up too, just in case..... [17:04] * flash9286 is now known as flash9285 [17:05] et are the pw fully done so i can complie them or are all orders still in flux:) [17:06] * dejon has joined #civ3dem [17:07] * flash9285 is now known as flash [17:07] * flash is now known as flash_lemmybashing [17:07] Get banned yet, Flash? ;) [17:07] yes [17:07] who are you [17:08] and how do u know me [17:08] You can print them, just make a note on turn 4 stuff that has the workers going to PoWIA, ask me about them at that time..... [17:08] From the Roleplay team [17:08] will do and once agin its in large print:) [17:08] hmm [17:08] :p [17:08] 7 cities to go.... [17:09] is this for ptw demo game or regular [17:09] * Eli has joined #civ3dem [17:09] SP game [17:09] ah [17:09] * mrmitchell has joined #civ3dem [17:09] well ill guess ill be leaving [17:09] * Eli has left #civ3dem [17:10] * flash_lemmybashing has left #civ3dem [17:11] * Togas has joined #civ3dem [17:11] greetings [17:11] I'll be semi-idle. At work now working on a brief. [17:11] Hello Togas [17:11] 6 to got.... [17:11] Ah, hello mrmitchell too [17:11] oh, hi [17:12] I will also be semi-idle [17:12] I'm just waiting for WAR!! Oh wait, I'm a peacenik in this game, nevermind. [17:14] 5 to go.... [17:15] hello just compling orders [17:16] hello togas [17:18] I'm going to eat before we start be back in about 15 [17:25] greetings [17:25] 4 to go.... [17:28] 3 to go.... [17:33] alright a countdown [17:36] 2 and 3/4... [17:36] 2 and 1/2... [17:36] 2 to go.... [17:36] almost messed one up... :p [17:40] 1 and 3/4... [17:42] 1 and 1/2... [17:43] i bet et will be happy to finish the dm job, its worse than the smc use to be and that was hard enough [17:43] RA will help thgough [17:44] 1 to go... and the the double check.... [17:45] SMC's probibly a breeze with RR's now... [17:45] i'm sure it is better now, though the war will rquire quick deciisons those aren't so bad [17:49] Its going to be hard on me nort being able to control units after next chat, I've been in charge of the military either legally or defacto for about 4 terms now [17:50] E_T will have a similar challenge, I think. ;) [17:50] i agree it will be hard not to want to change a thing here or there in the cities [17:50] Double checking now. I have 352 Lytons of needed rushes that I need to plan for turns 4 & 5 [17:50] but at least I get control(unless thud returns for the attack), [17:51] question do cities we take next chat go on my ARc de triumph [17:51] Yes, It will be hard. My beutiful cities will belong to someone else. [17:51] we will paln accordingly [17:51] several people, if they get this RA thing back up & running.... [17:52] I say give 'em to Aggie :) [17:52] I'm double checking now [17:52] We've been fortunate to have an ex-SMC as Pres, with Thud's difficulties [17:53] thank you togas [17:54] i actually counted on that when thud ran [17:54] i figured he didn't care much for the job, justed wanted a dia to have it [17:55] Oh, a Request for Unit movements during the chat. Could you move the Explores & settlers to Oak Ridge? [17:55] yes inded I will [17:56] you can do it know in your save if you want to get the feel of smc [18:04] save is uploading [18:05] alright [18:05] in which thread [18:07] in the chat thread for today [18:07] the one you posted... [18:07] CP orders are up too. [18:07] ok i'll start downloading and printing [18:07] I'm going to ga have a Cig and BRB, AFK [18:08] * E_T_Busy is now known as E_T_AFK [18:11] * adaMada has joined #civ3dem [18:11] Hello :) [18:14] ok I have to save downloaded and running [18:14] 4 chat is on [18:16] I'm back [18:16] * E_T_AFK is now known as E_T [18:17] * dejon is now known as Aspiring [18:17] * Aspiring is now known as Aspiring_RA [18:17] :) [18:17] excellent dejon [18:18] ok I moved the exp and settler to oakridge [18:18] ah, I was about to ask whst you were apiring at/ [18:18] et all you move are done right, and i started moving the ship to uber [18:18] I demand the Palace be relocated to the city of Dijon! :D [18:19] Post a Bill [18:19] good. [18:20] 4 tyrn endable [18:21] 12DM is very ready to go [18:21] 4 turn ending in 10 [18:21] 4 turn ending in 5 [18:21] are there any FAM things? [18:21] 4 le tme see [18:22] 4 no fam to do [18:22] * mrmitchell has quit IRC (Quit: ) [18:22] I'm reading his orders now, too. [18:22] 4 turn ending in 5 [18:22] ok [18:23] I thought that the MPP poll was done? [18:24] 4 the mpp polls were voted on and passed [18:25] is arnie dropping in later? [18:25] Who is the FAM rep for the chat? [18:26] E_T -- Don't think there is one [18:26] 4 he said he would be here early but have to leave bu 0z, so i guess he can't make it [18:26] Arn asked me to serve once, but didn't request I do in this case [18:26] just the Pres then. I'm ready now.... [18:26] and the FAM deputies seem to be AWOL [18:26] 4 ok turn ending in 5 [18:26] 4321 [18:26] 4 ok turn ending [18:26] Yeah [18:27] too bad he didn't have any decent FAM deputies [18:27] Good deputies is what made my long FAM administration go so well [18:27] He might be able to make it, but much later, Family Gathering from what he said in his post [18:27] I feel bad about it too, but I couldn't do the full time job he wanted (trade dep) this turn [18:27] *term [18:27] axtecs want tm for tm [18:27] sounds fine [18:28] see if we can get some cash out of the deal [18:28] 4 they'll trade tm+5 for tm [18:28] take it [18:28] Oh, btw; Togas -- Got your PM and acknowledging it here (could send one back, but it'd be a waste of space for the both of us, so :)). [18:29] 4 rome enters outterritory in force [18:30] ack - with what? [18:30] what [18:30] * Aspiring_RA is now known as dejon [18:30] dont do ANYTHING [18:30] 4posting save [18:30] in force?! :) [18:30] post the save and let us look at it. [18:31] we might be signing MPP's before this turn is over...... [18:31] I love excitement :) [18:31] There might need to be an executive decision to stop play if Rome's attacking in force [18:32] grab Iriq, Russia, & Baby. [18:32] good thing we have the authorization, or we would be stopping right now.... [18:32] I mean, we'd probably want to hold off on the other MPPs... [18:32] Though Aggie, E_T, and Togas could always order an exec. veto on the MPPs if it were necessary [18:32] If necessary, true. [18:33] Oh, come on -- we've gotten a chance to play with impeachments, tied elections, judicial review -- Veto is the one toy we haven't gotten to use yet :D [18:33] Seriously, though, it might be an important consideration later [18:33] Fron the 1220 asve, they have MPP's with England & Japan, no one else. We should include them, to help annul those pacts if attacked [18:34] 4 we won the race to elect [18:34] E_T, do you think we should MPP with Rome? They might accept that. March their forces through us and onto someone else. [18:34] Let's do Replaceable Parts! [18:34] it wwould be annuled if they attack us [18:35] Yes, waht's the times for both SM & RP? [18:35] I don't even know if the AI would attack us if we're in MPP. I've never seen or heard of that level of betrayal [18:35] we can get them in 5 with +19, or 4 with -248/turn [18:35] them what? [18:36] 4 i mean rp [18:36] waht about SM? [18:36] let me check [18:37] 4 4 turns at +19 [18:37] Replaceable parts [18:37] any less %, but it looks good, go for RP [18:38] 4 the roman force looked defensive 2rife/2leg +m another rife [18:38] 4 starting wf [18:38] 5 turns for RP then 4 turns for SM, well within the window for ToE [18:38] where is the save? [18:40] still no save [18:42] Where did they come in? [18:42] must be either Hole in the wall or Dijon [18:43] Aggie, where is the save [18:43] Not Dijon!!!! Rally the troops! Kill the Romans! [18:44] I don't know, I dont have the save. [18:44] Wait, Dijon borders the Russians, doesn't it? [18:45] 4 did the save load [18:45] 4 wf done [18:45] no save [18:45] 4 reposting it , stupid poly:) [18:46] trying again [18:47] 4 the troops are near HIW [18:48] 4 starting pw but will make sure save post [18:53] 4 save seems stuck at end, can i send it to somebody here directly through mirc [18:54] I don't know how to do that [18:54] let me load my e-mail program and you can mail it to me. [EDIT] REMEOVED ADDRESS [/EDIT] [18:55] it loaded this time actually [18:55] the problem is that it can screw up the Civ game. Netscape & IE/Cive don't get allong well.... [18:55] i understand that [18:56] I'm ready to get the e-mail... [18:56] then I can repost it for you [19:00] 4 the save post was succeesful this time, but well do that next time [19:01] k [19:01] That's enough to take Hole i t Wall if we don't send forces. [19:01] (even though they're defensive units) [19:02] I do suggest that we do. ANd form the Army up.... [19:02] we have rails. We can send any number of units instantly. We should send several riflemen and a cav or 2. [19:02] We should send some Cannon, Cav & Rifle to HitW [19:03] We should send the Army to Avignon [19:03] I absolutely adore railroads. Other than when my GA, the period where I finally get and build railroads is my favorite to play out [19:03] Wife is home - going out soon. Kick some Roman or German butt! [19:03] If our Rails get cut, that whole section is only accessable via Jeruslaem to Arcadia [19:04] loading save now [19:05] I'll look at some FAM stuff, but I think that we should wait to tell them to go. It all depends. If theysend more forces, it will be a skeet shoot.... [19:05] 4 still doing pw [19:06] loaded & looking [19:08] Okay, gotta go. Have fun and good luck. [19:08] a Vet & Reg Rifle, & 2 Reg Legion at Hole #6, one Reg Rifle at Hole #15. We have some russians on the border, too [19:08] looking at FAM [19:08] * dejon has left #civ3dem [19:09] Whoa, India will give us a LOT for Elect [19:10] FUrs, Corp, WM & LOTS of money [19:10] China is in ghe Industrial Age now [19:11] So is Persia [19:12] Yes, we have beat EVERYBODY to Elect..... [19:13] Whao, Rome will give us a TON for Elect [19:14] o.k.this is a possible plan [19:14] We first trade with India for COrp, furs, WM & Money [19:15] then we start getting some people lined up for MPP's, starting with Japan & ENgland [19:16] We include Greece, Iro & Russia. That will succure our southern flanks. leave babs out, we don't want Rome to possibly overrun them [19:17] then we trade the techs and really get a grand colition [19:18] then we let Rome make the first move, draw them in until it gets to a point where that area might get cut off and then we tell them to go home. If they declare on us, the Mpp Wars will start and we get the added happy from it [19:18] What say everybody, Togas, Ada? [19:20] Hello? [19:20] hello almost done, a cat spilt water on me so that slowed me down [19:21] ah [19:21] sorry. on phone. idle :/ [19:22] look above [19:23] back.... [19:24] do you want to do MPPs first, THEN tech trade? [19:24] wait. s orry. see it [19:24] 1) Tech trade w/ India [19:24] 2) Sign MPPs with Rome's allies [19:24] 3) Sign with Gre, Iriq, Russia, ... add in Aztecs [19:25] 4) Further trade/sell techs. [19:25] depends on cost, it goes up with the more that you add [19:25] Sounds fine. We may need to trade techs as a part of the Grand alliance creation, but the plan looks OK to me [19:25] that's the deal, and drain Rome dry [19:25] Aztecs are more important allies than Iriq. Rome will eat Iriq alive. [19:26] Sorry [19:26] Was away for a few [19:26] BUT if we are concerned with Rome attacking, I'd like Russia & Iriq to distract Rome. [19:26] What's up? [19:26] it's just a few turns eairlier than Arnelos would have liked, but we'll be secure [19:26] I like signing them earlier anyhow. Will allow us to get out of war w/ Germany sooner [19:27] plus it would allow us to get out of the Mpp at an eilioer time [19:27] :b [19:27] echo [19:27] 4 doing smc orders like moving units to hiw dejon [19:27] specifics to follow [19:29] First Trade suggestion: 3India: We give Electricity, they give Furs; Corp; WM; 31LPT & 106L [19:30] we want to got for as much cash on had as possible, that way we still have made somethingif the renig on the deal... [19:30] good deal [19:31] I'll consider it done and got tothe next one.... [19:31] 4 done all except fam [19:33] next suggestion 3Japan: they give us WM; 7LPT & 93L for MPP [19:33] * Trip has joined #civ3dem [19:34] welcome the first p[res [19:34] Hi Trip, Rome is Invading [19:34] hey ET [19:35] Aggie, did you do that first deal? [19:35] heya Aggie [19:35] not very populated in here anymore huh? [19:35] but it's half-hearted. Mostly defensive units. I think they see our empty cities and not our railway lines [19:35] 4 i move 10cal and 14 cannon+2more rf to border cities near rome and also suggest we upgrade muskets there [19:35] good deal with Japan. [19:35] 3 so what is the firat fam deal [19:35] Let's look at the FAM stuff before we do any upgrades [19:35] we should use cash from these deals to upgrade muskets at end of turn. [19:36] agreed [19:36] yes [19:36] scroll up [19:37] I'm considering Japan a done deal, going to the next one, England [19:37] Aggie, India then \JApan [19:37] alright doing now [19:39] England is LPT Broke, suggested deal:3England: they give WM & 31L for MPP [19:39] that takes care of Romes current Ally's [19:39] good [19:40] I'll consider that a done deal too. [19:40] Looking at Greece next [19:41] 4 trade elce to india for corp,fur,wm.106g, 31g/turn [19:41] 4 do we trade elect to jap or mpp [19:42] just do Mpp for now [19:42] ok [19:43] 4 are we sure we want mpp with jap [19:43] yes [19:43] it's starting to get a bit expensive, Greece wants Elect, WM & about 154L for MPP, I suggest paying in as much LPT as possible [19:43] if rome declares on us, japan will back us. we keep silk trade. [19:44] good pooint [19:44] gotta keep that silk trade going. I need my special imported silk boxers ;) [19:44] Aggie, If we go to war with Rome, and we want to take it into theur territory, we need to have all of Romes MPP's annuled by our own. Japan has an Mpp with Rome [19:45] togas, Greece, what say you? [19:45] :b: [19:45] worth it [19:45] 4 we are now aligned with japan they paid us wm,7g/turn 93 for it [19:46] 4 next [19:46] and I agree, do Greece with as much gpt as possible. [19:46] see if they'll take gpt deal only ... maybe they're just trying to stiff us for elec. Will they take corp? [19:46] yes since we are n for the penny in for the pound now [19:47] o.k, suggested trade with Greece: 3Greece: We give Elect; WM; 8LPT and 10L (or less) for MPP [19:47] 4 do you want me to do eng first [19:47] Greece already has Corp [19:47] Yes [19:47] England fiorst [19:47] let's do gre first. [19:47] Will cost less [19:47] right? [19:48] or is the gre price independent of the eng price for Mpp? [19:48] 4 eng deal done for all their gold+wm for mpp [19:49] don't know, I'm moving ahead and getting the real specifics for the deals, after I get the o.k. for everybody else... [19:49] sorry i saw the argument aftr i did it [19:49] np [19:49] let's sign with gre [19:49] looking ar Russia now [19:49] Gre & Aztec more important towards our ultimate goal: Germany. [19:49] * roadcage has joined #civ3dem [19:49] Plus, if russia goes to war with us, we easily take their city in old france [19:50] then hold them off at the chokepoint [19:50] i really don't know if we need mpp with greece, an alliance aginst germany yes but if rome attacks and they mess with us we will just wipe them off the map [19:50] Aggie, make sure you give LPT and little cash [19:50] we're too vulnerable to greece right now. I'd rather not see that front opened up [19:50] we still need to work on Germany, this is really the last opertunity before Tanks [19:50] 4 very well doing greece now [19:51] they are beconing nicer to us.... [19:52] 4 do we trade tm to greece it cuts the cost to 9 fro 10 a turn [19:52] Russia want Just Industrialization (or Elect), they have no LPT for compensation [19:53] give 'em elec. [19:53] 3Aggie, Elect, WM, 8LPT & 10L or less [19:53] aggie -- yes [19:54] Russia still needs coal [19:54] what if we give them coal instead? [19:54] 4 they want accept that they will accept elec,tm,9lgpt [19:55] 4 for mpp with grece [19:56] go ahead. it's chump change to us. [19:57] 8LPT & 10L is cheeper in the long run (Equal to 154L whereas, 9LPT is equal to 162L and is actually 180L) [19:57] looking at Russia with coal [19:57] 4 greece gave wm and mpp for tm,elec,8gpt,12g [19:57] their wm didn't chance things [19:57] before we do anything with russia, sign with aztecs [19:58] btw, do the russians have cossacks? [19:58] 4 whats the deal with aztecs [19:58] * flash9285 has joined #civ3dem [19:58] sign mpp with aztecs [19:58] yes they do and they are near the biorde togas [19:58] * flash9285 has left #civ3dem [19:58] checking, we need to secure our south first..... [19:59] Aztecs is more important than Russia. We can handle Russia. [19:59] Russia wants over 900L for just coal, so we should go with the Tech [19:59] loet me look [19:59] waiot for a moment [19:59] I'd like a RoP with Aztecs, but I don't think Arnelos ordered it. :) [20:00] 4 aztecs want WAY too much for mpp, i say we only do alliance later [20:00] how much? [20:00] at least 50gpt [20:00] yuck [20:00] Dyes, Steam, over 1000L [20:00] ok. pass on aztecs. Lousey native american bastards.... [20:00] too much [20:00] is russia next [20:00] yes [20:01] Ind or elect, which one? [20:01] elec [20:01] aztecs would give 19 for dyes [20:02] heck, as I think about it now ... perhaps we should let aztecs side with Germany and sieze old america in the process. It's not well defended. [20:02] 4 now to russia [20:02] o.kl, suggested deal:3Russia: we give Elect for MPP [20:02] deal is fine by me. [20:03] I say that Indust is a cheeper valuue [20:03] we get more for our tech [20:03] but better tech [20:03] that way, we get more for Elect [20:03] elec is really a stepping stone, and we'll get to the next step first, so it gives them no actual benefit. [20:03] 4 so which is it indust or elect [20:03] your choice Mr. President. :) [20:04] damn. I need to head out. Done at work. Need to get home. [20:04] yes, but they cxant use the Indust, because they have no coal [20:04] 4 russia mpp/wm for mpp/indus [20:04] Will try to catch some of the chat at home. [20:04] going to dinner tonight w/ friends, so I won't be on too long. [20:04] 4 whats next [20:04] Look forward to the results of the chat, guys. Go kick some ass. :) [20:05] can we sell elct to germany for cash, not a gpt of course [20:05] we will [20:05] Iroquois, that will have Rome Booxed in [20:05] sounds good. :) [20:05] See you guys later [20:05] * Nimitz has joined #civ3dem [20:05] heya nimitz [20:05] catch you later [20:05] hey [20:05] in a bit, lets get the Mpp's out of the way... [20:05] welcome mr justice [20:05] * Togas has quit IRC (Quit: ) [20:05] hi all [20:05] hello [20:05] hi [20:06] showing I'm still alive [20:08] iruquis want steam power/san,tm,7gpt [20:08] nimitz we won our firat tech race [20:08] cool [20:09] milk it for all its worth [20:09] Suggested deal with Iroquois: 3Iroquois: We give Steam, Sanit, WM, 6LPT & 9L (or less) for MPP [20:10] 4 i hate giving up wm how about tm instead and we pay 6lpt+12g [20:11] O.k., now we have Rome Boxed In, we can sell them Elect. We have used WM already, so it's kind of whoring it.... [20:11] your the FAM Rep desigmate,..... [20:11] 4 actually we haven't used wm yet [20:11] we used tm [20:12] 4 mpp with iriquis for san,steam,wm,6gpt,12g [20:12]