Session Start: Sun Dec 08 16:22:21 2002 Session Ident: #civ3dem [16:22] * Now talking in #civ3dem [16:22] back, starting log [16:23] 4 chat starts now [16:24] make a new thread and post the save, please. [16:24] 4 doing smc moves brb [16:29] 4 on the smc i desire a few changes he calls for all calavry in macross and forbidden city to move [16:29] 4 i say they need to stay for defensive purpose until the last possible moment, iWILL NOT have contagion taken by a premtive attack [16:29] nor macross [16:29] Aggie, when you are away for long streaches, doing CP, PW & SMC stuff, pleasecheck in at least a few times, so that we know that you haven't timed out.... [16:30] i will et [16:30] 4 while this is debated i will start new thread with smc and fam moves done on the save [16:30] I save that we need to keep some units there, The Forbidden City Is VITAL!! [16:31] what say everyone olse? [16:31] Our borders should be protected, somewhat [16:33] ia gree [16:34] good i will keep forces there until later. I desire all border cities have at least 2 infantry units [16:34] Mrmitchell? [16:34] that makes sense [16:34] 4 only move left is the settlet in gaia [16:35] 12move all settlers to Napoleton during chat [16:35] and FAM [16:35] Oh, I see, youve done them.... [16:35] 4 also do we make peace as mentioned or wait until we attack galley, i suepct we shopuld since arnelos said so, but if we could make more money we could attcak first [16:36] 4 i did all fam except for the peace [16:36] we have no rep, go by his orders, he left some opening, but I think that that one wasn't debatable.... [16:37] 4 will do, also i changed slider to 80% and started researching electricity [16:38] 4 we are now at peace [16:39] 4 all that is left is settler he can wait i guess until the war [16:39] 3make sure that you post in full detail any changes or additions that you make to his orders and why, as per his orders [16:39] 12move all settlers to Napoleton [16:39] 4 settler moved to nap [16:40] 12and all Explrers to Seeburg [16:40] unless that's on the SMC stuff [16:41] 4 it was unmentioned, actually due to your railraids most movment on the system is simply cosmetic, unless we are attacked first [16:42] 4 any rushed I weould liek to upgrade some muskets [16:42] no rushes, and until we know what the Silk is going to cost us, we should linit our upgrades to 1 per turn [16:43] good point I will upgrade musk in timeline so they have 1 rifelman [16:44] is there any orders about the forces on Uber, If we are at peace, start moving some back to the mainland [16:44] all moves done, ok will do, but i would like some on the island still maybe 2 calv + the musketters there [16:45] 4 move 2 calavry from uber these +1 more will be for army [16:46] We also will be having some other stuff built there soon, too [16:46] are we at peace? [16:47] yes [16:48] 4 pace talks with zulku suceessful [16:48] He didn't say so... [16:48] Ah [16:48] are we keeping pace with the pease? ;P [16:48] 4 ok is turn endable [16:48] yes we are [16:48] 12DM good to go [16:49] who else has the game open? [16:49] 4 turn ending in 10 [16:49] 4321 [16:49] 4 turn ended [16:50] Yeah [16:50] 4 otto pays us a visit wants wm for wm [16:50] see what you can get for TM? [16:51] he'll give us 2gold +tm for our tm [16:51] and for just the TM? [16:52] yes, for the wm he wants our wm minimum [16:53] waht would it be for just us selling him our TM, no TM back? [16:53] 4 1g [16:53] * Kloreep has joined #civ3dem [16:54] Hi. [16:54] hello kloreep [16:54] go for what makes the most money, without having our WM in there. [16:54] I'm making a log, kloreep [16:54] Okay. [16:54] how are you doing.... [16:55] 4 avignon went into disorder i canged worker to scientist [16:56] what? [16:56] yap [16:56] did we loos a lux? [16:57] it had 4 happy, 1 cantent and 3 unhappy, it shouldn't have done that [16:57] not that i could see [16:57] we are at peace, so that does NOT make any cense [16:58] maybe a dela=yed ww it is now 3/1/4 without anything [16:58] 5 luxes, right? [16:58] are we factoring is foriegn nationals? [16:58] in [16:59] yes, I'm looking at the city now, for 1170 and ther were o.k. only sone frenchmen [17:01] 3 french, 5 natives. only concern was that it was too crowded. Something must have happend [17:02] posting save [17:02] our WW would have only gone to Status Quo, because of they had declared on us [17:02] this is very strange [17:02] 4 posting save [17:02] 4 maybe it was that ww needs to wait till this turn to end [17:03] it is weird [17:04] let me look at the save, as soon as it's posted. [17:06] loadingit now [17:09] loaded, looking [17:09] 4 doing wf [17:10] * Meshelic has joined #civ3dem [17:11] Hi Meshelic. [17:11] hi kloreep [17:11] everyone hello [17:12] this is very strange. we have 5 luxes, all of the other cities are showing happy/unhappy, like they normally would [17:12] I don't understand it. Oh well [17:13] 12Aggie, change the specialist in Avignon from Sci to Tax [17:14] I'm looking at FAM stuff [17:15] it is very weird myust be otton [17:15] 4 great news slider can be moved to 70% and we make 140 a turn [17:16] wf mostly done [17:16] hello mesh [17:16] hey aggie! [17:17] yeah [17:19] What's Artneloses orders when it comes to Tech sale? [17:20] I see it, never mine, can't get enought from Iroquois [17:21] 4 still doing pw [17:21] * Panzer_32 has joined #civ3dem [17:21] hey all [17:22] hi [17:22] whats going on? [17:22] Hi. [17:23] 3Suggestion for FAM stuff: Greece Ivory; WM & 35L for Indust 0We need the Ivory/Lux [17:23] We need the Ivory/lux [17:24] 3and drop the Dyes with the Aztec, per FAM stated orders [17:25] 3that will be it for FAM for this turn, that I see [17:25] Peace with Zulus was 14 lytons + WM, right? [17:25] we are getting a lot of people here, good. Hi all..... [17:26] I think so, have to ask Aggie? [17:26] (It would be nice to have the exact terms in the Newz Update.) [17:26] he had just said that the talk were successful [17:27] Aggie is doing stuff in the game at teh moment [17:28] I'm going to go have a smoke, BRB, AFK [17:28] * E_T_is_the_DM is now known as E_T_AFK [17:28] * Calc has joined #civ3dem [17:28] i wish i had a smoke [17:28] argh [17:29] i quit long ago [17:29] actually 4 months ago who am i kidding [17:29] but it seems long ago [17:29] i've tried quitting so many times [17:29] so did i [17:29] smoking sucks, but i love it so much [17:29] argh [17:30] if u really like smoking. quit everytime [17:30] ur last is always like a sweet sweet candy [17:30] ? [17:30] :p [17:30] oh [17:30] true [17:31] whys everyone so quiet? ugh [17:31] I don't know [17:31] i hate the uncomfortable silence [17:31] wats ur fav brand mesh? [17:31] my favorite brand? [17:31] brand of what? [17:31] cigarette [17:31] oh [17:32] hmmm....:idea: [17:32] anything Camel, but to be more specific, probably Camel Lights [17:32] i like marb too [17:32] i like parliament lights [17:32] hell I'll smoke anything, it doesn't matter. :) [17:32] i was never hip enough for menthols :p [17:32] hey, brb gotta eat some food while i'm nic-ing out [17:32] neither was i. :p [17:32] lol [17:34] I smof\ke Marlboro Mediums 100's [17:34] im ok with lights [17:34] * E_T_AFK is now known as E_T_IS_the_DM [17:34] E_T where is everyone [17:34] they are too light for me, and the regs are too harsh [17:35] i like the light types i guess [17:35] We don't smoke in the house, keep the smell down.... [17:36] i cant either my roomate hates it [17:36] well at least thats over with it [17:36] where is everyone [17:37] I smoke just under a pack a day, If I could smoke inside, at teh computer, I'd be smoking a LOT more..... [17:37] ho yea.. defintely [17:37] I'm here, sorta, but I'm also busy catching up in threads I've been ignoring this weekend. [17:37] Aggie is doing orders [17:37] i see [17:38] * mrmitchell is now known as Ming [17:38] oooh [17:38] * Ming is now known as mrmithcell [17:39] mith cell? [17:39] * mrmithcell is now known as mrmitchell [17:40] I almost starting to bow and scrape ther for a second :d [17:40] ;D [17:40] lol [17:41] mitchell it would have been better to chnage ur nick and have joined [17:41] I'm just so glad that it had warmed up a bit here, I had my windows open for a couple of hours... [17:42] or did i see u change name because im in poly chat as well? [17:42] Don't give him any ideas... [17:42] 4 all pw done [17:42] :b: [17:42] any problems? [17:42] now smc movements [17:42] 4 nope it all worked out nicely [17:43] kewl [17:43] I have FAM stuff for you [17:43] but on the pw it said rail bacteria #19 but bacteria #19 is water, so i did #20 [17:43] 4 ok hit me with them [17:43] yeah when I smoke at my computer, a pack is not enough. ever! [17:44] oop sorry, didn't mean to interrupt [17:44] good [17:44] thats ok mesh we don't sdtand on ceremony here [17:44] 3Greece: Ivory; WM & 35l for Indust [17:44] ok [17:45] 3Aztec, make sure that the dyes are dropped, they won't pay [17:45] 3that's it for FAM [17:46] 4 did greek deal and with aztec do i do anything [17:46] just make sure that they aren't getting Dyes anymore, they won't pay.... [17:48] ok [17:48] 4 all moves done [17:49] 4 should i build army now [17:49] 4 other than that turn is endable [17:49] 12no rushes for now. And have the listed rushes at the end of the turn, just in case [17:50] is that in the SMC orders? [17:50] 4 we are also making 140 a turn by the way [17:50] 4 no explicitly but i think he wants to ammke one [17:50] true, but we don't know what the Silk is going to cost us [17:51] ok [17:51] * roadcage has joined #civ3dem [17:51] let's wait until Dturn-1. It's no big rush [17:51] Hi roadcage. [17:51] hi all [17:52] hey [17:52] 4 turn endable? [17:52] Roadcage, I took your suggestion, I was a ble to get one more Cav from somewher else,so I changed Ghengis from Cav to Factory [17:52] are we still at war with Zulus? [17:52] nope we made peace [17:52] 12upgrades? DM is good [17:52] super :b: [17:52] good [17:53] 4 i upgrade a musk in dejion we need a defense in the south [17:53] ready for the next turn [17:53] 4 i can change the tax to worker in avignon now [17:54] 12have him work a shield if it makes more after waste, if not, work a sea for trade [17:54] ok [17:55] 4 turn ending in 10 [17:55] 4 turn ending in 5 [17:55] 4321 [17:55] since the 1180 save is posted, may I assume we are in 1190? [17:56] just about [17:56] 4 1180 ending now [17:56] who here has teh game up, in 1.21f? [17:57] 4 well japan DEMANDS TM [17:57] demand? TM, see if they will trade for it [17:57] try to get their WM & cash for TM [17:58] what us their mood? [17:58] they want our tm or threaten war, i say we give it to them we need to concentrate on germany [17:58] is [17:58] we can't negotiate [17:58] anouther starange occurance. hold a sec [17:58] they are annoyed [17:58] hmmm [17:59] the orders state no demands, but I say let it slide, it's just a TM [17:59] due any other civs have are TM? [17:59] our [17:59] poll, 1 give in, 2 hell no [17:59] 2 [17:59] 1 [17:59] 1 [17:59] 2 [18:00] 1 [18:00] 1 [18:00] damn you all.. :p [18:00] so be it [18:00] It's probably worth some gold, but as aggie says, we need to focus on Germany. [18:01] well we need to avoid war for the moment we'l [18:01] i guess.... [18:01] and we need their silks [18:01] ugh [18:01] they are under a times peace treaty, they shouldn't have demanded anything [18:01] We'll just write this down and make them pay later (WITH 100s of years of interest :evilgrin:). [18:02] 4 the chinesee poped up they want a wm for wm trade i say tell them to go blank themselves [18:03] see if they will give us WM & cash for TM [18:03] ok [18:04] no cash but got their wm for our tm it showed new area so we don't have to explore [18:04] good [18:04] and makes our map more valuable [18:04] 4 now the iriquis come to the table:0 [18:04] ugh [18:04] they want rop and mpp i say we MUST legally say no [18:04] correct [18:05] The AI's sure are chatty tonight [18:05] good good [18:05] yup [18:05] yep [18:05] they must be plotting something [18:06] :p [18:06] they can't plot their way to the toilet..... [18:06] 4 ok turn completed posting save [18:07] yeah [18:07] Shaka sure made a smart move, though, even if he stumbled into it. [18:08] ha [18:10] 4 save in process of posting(i have a dial up) [18:11] 4 starting wf [18:12] tell us when to refresh [18:13] he's on anouther screen [18:14] he started new turn alredy i see [18:14] yes, it takes a while.... [18:14] * flash9286_civ3rules has joined #civ3dem [18:14] * flash9286_civ3rules has left #civ3dem [18:15] * Calc is now known as Calc_workin_out [18:15] pump that Iron.... [18:16] still no save [18:17] Save is up [18:17] loading now [18:20] 4 wf done [18:20] 4 now pw, i'll check in once in a while [18:26] la la la la..... [18:28] * Panzer_32 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving ) [18:33] I'm going to have a cig, BRB, AFK [18:34] * E_T_IS_the_DM is now known as E_T_AFK [18:34] Wow! look at Otto's cash balance. It's up almost a thou in two turns w/o any new techs to peddle [18:34] I bet he got a lot of gpt for Ind. [18:34] That does seem like a lot for just gpt, though; has he traded Ind to anyone else? [18:35] 4 over 1/2 done with pw so far so good [18:35] I sure hope so cause every Civ in town will want to do a Shaka! [18:36] Quite true. :) [18:37] hey all i'm back [18:38] * Meshelic hears crickets chirping [18:39] * VladAntlerkov has joined #Civ3Dem [18:39] hey all [18:39] * Apoc has joined #civ3dem [18:39] hey apoc [18:39] hello [18:39] Heya [18:39] WB Meshelic, hello to the newcomers. [18:40] I would have been here an hour ago, but I've been talking with my girlfriend ;) [18:40] What's going on? [18:42] back, hi guys [18:42] * E_T_AFK is now known as E_T [18:42] hey ET [18:43] Aggie is doing PW now [18:44] i'll be checking for any FAM stuff, brb [18:47] we have 5 turns until the dye deal with India is renewable, If we don't have a tech to trade them for Furs (i.e. germany beats us to the punch) then we can use that to get the furs. [18:47] 4 ok all done any fam to do [18:47] looking [18:47] * mrmitchell is now known as Indians [18:47] * Indians is now known as mrmitchell [18:49] germany is recking in the bucks, they have 1329L [18:50] We have a tech they don't? [18:51] * buzzbat has joined #civ3dem [18:51] * Calc_workin_out is now known as Calc [18:51] not yet... [18:51] 12no FAM stuff this turn [18:51] geez chat room is empty [18:52] 3let me check a couple of things and I'll brb [18:52] they will spend all that money when we declare war [18:52] 4 turning ending in 10 [18:53] 4 et do you need more time [18:53] son of a &%&*(#*(@... my shoulder is killing me [18:53] ok clac [18:54] i mean calc [18:54] :p [18:54] no [18:54] yes,m it need [18:54] nore time [18:56] what's the WF for Gheingistown? [18:56] it's at size 9 still, right? [18:58] 12Ghengistown - WF to 1-2-3-4-5-6-9-12-16 [18:58] still looking [18:58] it is sorry i was looig at it:) [18:59] done [18:59] is Rheims TOC 2 turns now? [18:59] 4 wfdone, i actually had a note to myself to mention ghengistowm [19:00] * Apoc has left #civ3dem [19:00] ye sit is [19:00] I have some notes for this turn, let mee know if anyof them are off [19:00] i mean yes it is [19:00] i got ya [19:01] they should be o.k., but I'm just checking [19:01] thats fine [19:01] we only have 2 more turn aftre this of playing [19:02] * VladAntlerkov has quit IRC (Quit: Vlad Highwind fades from existence ) [19:02] 12change the worker in Avignon from tile #8 (sea) to #14 [19:03] 12DM ready to go [19:03] 4 turning ending in 10 [19:03] 4 turning ending in 5 [19:03] 4321 [19:04] 4 turning ending [19:04] over~ [19:04] all turns done? [19:04] no [19:04] we have 2 more to go [19:05] ah [19:05] 3 if you take into account the between turn from 1210 to 1220... [19:06] 4 posting save rome/japan signed a mpp [19:06] we're running about 1 hour or so per turn [19:06] Rome and Japan....interesting [19:06] hmmm [19:07] which is good [19:07] oh, did the Zulu gallies move yet? [19:07] I forgot about that [19:08] not yet [19:08] We shouldn't need to sign an alliance with more than one of those two. :) [19:08] 4 time for wf [19:11] Someone remind me to have Aggie get them to shove off.... [19:12] We already made peace with Zululand, correct? [19:12] * Calc is now known as CalcAway [19:12] yes [19:13] yes [19:13] So how many turns can we be mobilized for war against germany if we decided too [19:14] we will be declaring at the begining of the chat after next, 1270 AB [19:14] hmm.... [19:14] * mrmitchell has quit IRC (Ping timeout ) [19:14] declaring war or mobilization for war? [19:14] declaring methinks [19:15] next turn-chat will be used mainly for mobilizing [19:15] declaring - we won't be using the mobolize except under a dire emergency. we are stull building up. [19:15] i guess i used the wrong phrase [19:16] I'm working on a report that details what we have and will have by D-turn [19:16] not "mobilize" i meant just getting ready [19:16] ok [19:17] There are currently no actual invasion plans or are there? [19:17] other than Shiber's plan [19:17] 4 wf done except for rush in heliopolis for 240 [19:17] it's a bleand of plans, so it seems. no definate one comes to mind. [19:18] k. [19:18] interesting [19:18] The good old improvise when you get there method [19:18] we'll be kind of winging it. makes it more interesting, I say [19:18] 4 can i do the rush [19:19] afterwards [19:19] end of turn [19:19] 4 ok doing pw now [19:19] I may draw up some plans....in case I decide to run for SMC [19:19] JUST in case [19:19] I'm loading the save now [19:23] it's going to cost about 208 to renew the silk trade [19:24] * CalcAway is now known as Calc [19:24] here's the FAM orders concerning this [19:24] wat year are we in [19:24] Our trade of Dyes for Japan's Silks comes up for Renegotiation. Let the deal ride if Japan wants to get cash out of us for the deal. If Japan wants money and presses the issue, FAM Rep should check with President and Domestic Minister on the need for Silk due to war weariness and how much the President is willing to allocate to this need. Ultimate determination on the deal will be given to the President if FAM is not present (and the monetary limit is up to the President anyhow). [19:25]