[14:44] k. I have a PM, brb [14:49] * Arnelos has joined #civ3dem [14:49] here we go [14:49] btw... I'm confused on the MoE budget... everyone's requesting rushes and money for stuff, but I don't have a copy of the budget :confused: [14:50] one moment, i'm finishing a PM [14:51] Aggie also has a couple more units that he's moving, and hell be posting a new save [14:52] ok, that will be fine (I currently have E_T's save) [14:52] btw... what on earth do I do about the budget??? [14:53] well we seem to be doing ok with the budget timeline, but reddaws absence is disturbing [14:53] * roadcage has joined #Civ3dem [14:54] "budget timeline"? [14:54] I have a budget request over time, we used that last turnchat also, no budget then either [14:54] Aren't we just using the last budget he posted... I just need to find where that is (I haven't so far) [14:54] In et's post, its the timeline for expeditures and an estimate of the amount we have [14:54] he hasn't updated anything since this coart case started [14:54] ok, I suppose that will have to suffice [14:55] You're sure that E_T's "budget timeline" is close to accurate (I assume, I'm just asking)? [14:55] during the war, Reddawg had wanted a 400L researve, but we aren't at war now [14:56] * Kloreep has joined #civ3dem [14:56] Hi. [14:56] hello [14:56] it's a very good guesstimate, based on our income at the time that i had written it [14:57] i'm going to have a cigorette before we start, brb [14:57] ok [14:57] * E_T is now known as E_T_AFK [14:58] Kloreep and Roadkill, MrWIA suggested I have a non-minister check for techbuy opportunities (given Togas' absense) - either of you have v1.21? [14:58] Sorry, I'm on 1.29 [14:58] I mean roadcage - lol (sorry) [15:00] I'll be using E_T's timeline... I've looked at it and the numbers DO work out [15:00] :b: [15:00] Machine I am at is 1.29 [15:01] adamada said he woul be here [15:01] * adaMada has joined #civ3dem [15:01] hello [15:01] we here or on undernet? [15:01] Hi. [15:01] Doubt there will be any tech buying ops since the engines spent several turns in Anarchy [15:02] HERE [15:02] 'k :) [15:02] ada, you have v1.21? [15:02] Arn, if you didn't read my post, I'm covering FAM, but I'll also be publishing the Gazette during the chat so I apologize if I'm ever slow in responding [15:02] ada, I saw it [15:02] Yep -- want me to boot it up and load the game? [15:02] YES, PLEASE [15:03] you will be checking techbuys :) [15:03] Ok [15:03] (or tech sales) [15:04] ok, downloading the sav, give me a sec [15:04] have we started yet? [15:04] Unfortunately, the tech buyers are still buyers because they have no revenue [15:04] Yea, I'm not anticipating many big deals, especially considering that Togas went through and made some changes to the sav IIRC... [15:04] actually, where is the latest sav? (with all modifications) [15:05] * E_T_AFK is now known as E_T [15:05] back [15:05] anyone know if Ghengis completed PW orders in one the posted save I have? [15:05] ada... there will be another save posted before we start, but it's by SMC Aggie (so your save should work fine for this) [15:06] don't forget to post a turhchat thread for todays chat and were we are. [15:06] I already posted the save:), no there were 4workers ne of gothan and one needing to clear jungle [15:06] * Shiber has joined #civ3dem [15:06] hey! [15:06] hello [15:06] I just opened the thread for the chat [15:06] 'k, grabbing aggie's sav [15:06] hey Shiber [15:07] Aggie - where did you post it? [15:07] Arn, in one of the top threads, forget which one [15:07] in the orders thread the last post [15:07] Shiber, any chance you'll be playing along? [15:07] ok, going to look [15:07] Hi Shiber. [15:07] just seen that.... [15:07] i can post a new one if you like in the chat thread with the workers orders carried out if you like [15:07] adaMada, afraid not [15:08] Ok :) [15:08] i'll have to be going just as soon as the chat starts [15:08] :(( [15:08] hi Kloreep! [15:08] saving.... [15:08] Epistax can get to the chat [15:08] I'll do worker orders... don't confuse me :p [15:08] I try:) [15:09] lol :) [15:09] ok, I have the save from Aggie [15:09] 12are we ready to start? [15:09] 12 lets go [15:10] i'm afraid that i must go too [15:10] just dropped in to say hi [15:10] Tours to be abandoned is at size 2. Isn't that the size you switch from worker to setttler to finnish the job? [15:10] aggie, did you want to upgrade another Pike? [15:10] Shiber, later [15:10] speaking of which E_T... you'll let me know about any proposed changes to the budget timeline, right? [15:11] i'll be watching though :) [15:11] * Shiber is now known as ShiberNotReallyHere [15:11] Arn, sent the setler to site 2, but DO DONT build city yet, it will be built next turnchat [15:11] Everyone, I'm going to be writing and publishing the Gazette during this chat, so don't be supprised if I ask people for random quotes on totally random things :D [15:11] lol @ Shiber :) [15:11] * ShiberNotReallyHere is now known as MrWhereIsShiber [15:11] ok... I suppose the reason is the FP, right? [15:12] Arnelos, taking a peek for trades now [15:12] ok [15:12] speaking of founding cities... can anyone go dig up Jonny's orders and make sure I don't miss them - thanks [15:13] I'm looking right now [15:13] actually, Tours wont be abandond until the turn after the FP is built, and I want the new city built at the same time, that way, it will be city nutral [15:13] got it [15:13] * MrWhereIsShiber is now known as Shiber [15:13] btw, where is the army? [15:14] you mean GL, he's in macross [15:14] 12going to load save now, don't be distrubed if I don't respond for a bit :p [15:14] oh, we haven't made an army yet? [15:14] Wasn't questioning timing, just shouldn't it be doing settler to actually abandon the city? [15:14] Are we saving him till the next war? [15:14] well i suppose it doesn't matter, we have some time before the next war [15:14] we haven't had an official poll about it yet [15:15] that was the idea i think [15:15] The unofficial poll was widely followed and was clearly in support of an army [15:15] * Shiber is now known as MrWhereIsShiber [15:16] * adaMada is now known as adaMada42 [15:16] yes, but Khufu can wait a bit, he's not going anywhere [15:16] 12ok, loaded [15:16] I was just waiting until we need to make an army(though I all fairness it will almost cerainly be calvary [15:16] he looks kindof restless to me, lol [15:16] but no prob, we can wait [15:17] will it have all elites? [15:17] 12ministers - ready for chat to start? [15:17] * MrWhereIsShiber is now known as Shiber [15:17] Arnelos, still working on tech deals, but no reason that can't wait till the end of the turn [15:17] 12cp ready [15:17] does anyone know if armies can create leaders? [15:17] 12 i'm ready [15:17] 4starting PW [15:17] Shiber, I don't think so. [15:17] i don't belive they can, admada I think togs has pretty much checked for this turn [15:18] Aggie, I think so too [15:18] shiber, nope, although i'm still unsertain about the difference between a regular Army and a Vet Army that is made by the Mil Acad [15:18] Aggie/E_T, when will you guys not be using money? :) We've got one or two purchases to make [15:18] two hundred gold in embassies, I think [15:18] they are shedualled for turn 3 [15:19] by my budget propaosal, that is [15:19] Any reg armies built before Pentagon, can be filled out to size 4 later [15:19] E_T, if so, and if we end up creating an army of cavalry then one of the units should be the one that created the leader [15:19] E_T, as long as they're in someplace, sounds good to me :) [15:19] because the same unit can't create two leaders [15:19] 4PW orders done [15:19] the GL creator was a Knight [15:20] I think he was upgraded [15:20] 12 we have upgraded him [15:20] When did our map become valuable again? [15:20] Did we discover something new? [15:20] Or is this line " [15:20] If it is sold, sell off to as many civs as possible to maximise profits. [15:20] " [15:20] 12PW, CP, SMC, and FAM done other than rushes/buys.... anything else? [15:20] just a holdover? [15:20] just the rushes for me [15:20] adaMada, methinks it's a holdover [15:20] 12ada, any trades that Togas didn't already do? [15:21] Since we are mapping the sea, and there is lttle chance of more land, we should be mapwhoring EVERY turn for revenue [15:21] though i didn't participate in the last turnchat so i can't tell for sure [15:21] Arnelos, AFAIK no [15:21] he sucked the cash right out of everybody that he could [15:21] 12ministers - ok to end turn? [15:21] Looking into deals now, but I think Togas had a glance at the .sav, so... [15:21] 14 Ok by FAM [15:21] 12 upgrade pike to musk in antioch [15:21] 12THANK YOU AGGIE :) [15:21] Ok, who the hell HAS techs we don't have? [15:22] if we mapwhore, we need to buy England & Romes maps first [15:22] 4doing rushes [15:22] None of the big names... [15:22] or is that another holdover? [15:22] 12do the two listed rushes [15:22] Ohh, wait a sec, nevermind, I get it now :D [15:23] Rome has 2 to 3 ships out, England has 2-3 and MV for movement [15:23] 12aggie.. where is the pike to upgrade??? [15:23] 12 in antioch [15:23] 12i'm upgrading the border first [15:23] 12thank you... there is one upgrade and 2 rushes [15:23] Need quote for the Gazette on CoL passing, can anyone provide? [15:23] 12Dijon - Rush Temple for 60L - No WF changes. [15:24] did you all catch the english city on that island [15:24] yep [15:24] 12New York - Rush Courthouse for 200L - WF to 1-4-5-6-8-17-20. [15:24] Yes, glad to see that the Brits will have a home after we chase them from the mainland [15:24] 4rushes and upgrade complete [15:24] if we should attack england it could be worth taking(for later base) [15:25] * Shiber is now known as MrWhereIsShiber [15:25] 12 ok to end turn formmSMC [15:25] 12E_T, you completed all WF changes in your posted save, right? [15:25] all except fhr the two rushes [15:25] ok, good [15:25] 4turn ends in 1 min [15:26] 12cp good to go.... [15:26] 4turn ends [15:27] yeah.... [15:27] Once sav is posted, let me know, and I'll download and come up with a deal for spices [15:27] one turn closer to the FP...... [15:28] Still need some short, halfline statement about the NewCon for the Gazette -- just a few words saying what you think [15:28] If no one gives it to me, I'll be sure to take a quote from someone in this chat from the forums, so you're not getting away with anything :D [15:29] ok... [15:29] 4Greeks and Romans start Newton's University [15:29] 4Russian spear leaves our territory [15:29] How about: "I'm sure this new Constitution will usher in a new, glorious age for Apolytonia - until the next cry for revolution, that is." ;) [15:29] Butifull document, the ConCon really did a wonderfull job [15:29] 4posting save [15:29] 12 adamada here is a quote, it is a great step forward for our great nation and comes right as when enter a new democratic era" [15:29] Ok, thanks all :D [15:30] that was a quote too [15:30] now you have many quotrs:) [15:30] That means they have ToG. [15:30] Nope Aggie, never too many quotes :D [15:30] they have Theory [15:31] also we will have FA in 5, i wonder if somebody else just got it [15:31] to lower the cost [15:31] * MrWhereIsShiber is now known as Shiber [15:31] shouldn't we wait 5 turns until we have free artistry? the current price looks pretty steep [15:32] ada - check Rome and Greece on buying Theory of Grav [15:32] 4save posted [15:33] the corthouse in NY might have tipped things for us by one turn..... [15:33] Arn, will as soon as .sav is posted [15:33] Can someone check hte forums and make sure Tass/Epi was able to get in? [15:33] dloading sav [15:33] Epistax said he couldn't get on. His connection kept failing. [15:34] 4executing PW orders [15:34] Hopefully Tass will be joining soon. I can keep checking, though. [15:34] loading save..... [15:35] I'll try to help people in a minute, gotta check tech deals first [15:35] and also renegot [15:35] we'll it's looking like Apoly.net's not going to work out [15:36] Undernet didn't work for everyone either [15:36] Pl. we [15:36] no network is perfect i'm afraid [15:36] *Ok, looks like we're NOT getting Theory of Gravity right now :D [15:36] FP in 3 [15:36] cheer up, FA in 5 turns [15:36] Tass is asking for instructions, I think I can find 'em for him... [15:37] and FP in 3 :) thx E_T [15:37] Kloreep, I'll help you look in a sec, once I check the Spices Renegotation [15:37] Undernet was alot better than this, so far [15:37] E_T, think? [15:37] Found them. [15:37] IRC in general has a ton of problems [15:37] E_T, i actually like this one better [15:37] even AIM/ICQ has fewer :-\ [15:37] Undernet didn't always work for me [15:38] I haven't had that many troubles, though, so I should be quiet before I piss off the IRC gods :D [15:38] most servers didn't respond and the ones that did usually took a while before they let me connect [15:38] also, there were times when the server said i was k-lined. damn host masks... [15:39] 12Problem in PW orders... [15:39] 12"3 Workers NW of Ghengistown move SW, then SW" - there's no road [15:39] wha... [15:39] 12 Question: We're currently pulling in 7 gpt from Germany for Spices. Orders say Renegotate, but Germany has 0 gold. Anyone think we can get more from Germany? [15:39] build a road then [15:39] 12 ANd will Germany cancel if we don't renegotiate? [15:40] we might they do make money [15:40] no sure, ada are they still in anarcy? [15:40] Even if they do cancel, we can negotiate over it then. [15:40] adamada we should germany has more poeple than they did and they pull in money from tech whoring [15:40] I think they're all in Demo now. [15:40] Aggie, but they also just SPENT money on Theory of Gravity [15:40] adaMada42, we can sell our spices to greece [15:41] Ok, the orders say do it anyway, so... [15:41] looks like rome got theory first and sold it to germany [15:41] * Tassadar5000 has joined #civ3dem [15:41] :) [15:41] Greetings [15:41] hi Tassadar5000! [15:41] Am I allowed to cancel the deal to play with numbers, or do I get to leave Arnelos in the cold! [15:41] Hey Tass! [15:41] Germany offers 13gpt and WM in the renegotiations [15:42] Ok [15:42] 12ada - I'm pretty sure he must have meant SE, SE [15:42] Hi. [15:42] Greece is also interested in our spices, but they won't pay as much [15:42] 12executing SE, SE rather than SW, SW [15:43] Ok, let's go with the Germany Renegotation -- it's in the orders, so... [15:43] 3suggested Germany: their WM & 14LPT for Spices & 6L [15:43] regarding the PW thing, you can ask Ghengis [15:44] he's just posted in the turnchat thread [15:44] he says he can't connect but we can post the question in the thread [15:45] 4PW orders complete - some SMC units Auto-moved [15:45] E_T, good call [15:45] on that deal [15:45] Arn, ready when you are [15:45] Do e finally see the futility of allowing 2 AI tech engines to survive? [15:45] yeah, good deal [15:46] nets us an additional 14l :) [15:46] Greece and Germany will be pruned soon [15:46] Germany's treachery will not be forgotten... MWHAHAHAHAA!!! [15:47] Not when we keep refreshing the 20 turn delay [15:47] 12E_T and adaMada - you want me to do deal now or wait till end of turn? [15:47] 12also, E_T... how does this change the budget timeline? [15:47] the next deal is in 7 turns, for Dyes & Incense. We need to have a poll, for who were going after next [15:47] Arn, honestly don't care :) [15:48] 12 [TRADE]-GERMANY WM + 14 GPT -> SPICES + 6L [15:48] Take it now or I'll repeat later [15:48] 3shouldn't change the budget at all. [15:48] 4Doing trade now [15:48] * Kloreep is now known as Klor_AFK [15:48] We'll also be renewing Gunpowder to Persia [15:48] Soon [15:49] 4trade done [15:49] if we beat them to FA, we can trade it for thorey [15:49] 12thank you E_T [15:49] Small question: Why are we researching "Free Artistry"? [15:49] no prob [15:50] Tassadar5000: for its techwhoring potential. [15:50] Tass, I honestly don't know, but it's PROBABLY because that's the only think we have any hope to get [15:50] and like Shiber said, if we get it first, we can whore it around [15:50] partly, because the MoS hasn't set the actual goal yet [15:50] we've just begun researching things on ourselves, actually [15:50] we can't compete with Greece, Rome and Germany yet so we're researching inattractive techs in the meantime [15:51] we still have libraries that are coming on line [15:51] Well, it's now FA by default as we have too many beakers invested in this turkey now [15:51] 4now starting CP orders [15:51] E_T, actually I remember that Thud said that we should research FA after Demo [15:51] you don't lose beakers with this patch [15:52] i thought we did lose beakers [15:52] actually you do, just checked [15:52] if we change to theory, iot would be 8 turns, 9 for mag [15:53] E_T, try changing to theory and then changing back to FA [15:53] oh, it's in 1.29 that you can do that, sorry [15:53] Don't change! Greece does one line while Germany does the other and they pass the money back and forth. [15:54] as long as arn, doesn't change it, we're o.k. [15:54] I'm not changing anything right now :P [15:54] still doing CP orders [15:55] Our international relations are bad. Why is this? [15:56] wars, takingout two civs, renegotiating peace every 20 turns for cash [15:56] Tass, we keep killing people :D [15:56] we haven't broken any treaties though, so our integrity is still clean [15:56] Regrettible habbit, really, but you know bad ones are always hard to break [15:56] :D [15:56] And other things that were absolutley necessary due to jungle start [15:56] Blame aggie [15:56] 12E_T - for Loveshack, #16 is being taken by Banana HQ [15:57] ada, are you checking for any workers or other trades? [15:57] Who do we plan on going to war against? [15:57] let me check, go to the next one [15:57] 12ok, will do [15:57] E_T, didn't think of, will do now [15:58] * Klor_AFK is now known as Kloreep [15:58] Tassadar5000, IMHO and according to what I hear, the next goal should be either Greece, Germany or England [15:58] 12put it on #17 [15:58] I think we should go for the Zulu. Gem$$! [15:58] Ah Loveshack, city founded to pressure Munchen. Overlaps badly, a candidate for abandonment [15:58] Greece would be a good target too. [15:58] we might also wanna take moscow (and two neighboring cities just to keep it safe) for leo's workshop [15:58] Question: I thought we had captured Washington? [15:59] Yes. [15:59] I had moved BHQ's WF right before posting the save, and forgot about the overlap [15:59] 12It's already on 17 - no change :) [15:59] Tass, we captured one, the Americans rebuilt it, then someone else captured it [15:59] k [15:59] oh ok [15:59] The Aztecs, to be accurate [15:59] Yepyep, them :D [15:59] they sortof took us by surprise [15:59] we did get new york in the end though [16:00] the market will be completed 1 turn faster, too [16:00] we also amost had boston, but it was defended bu "super spear" [16:00] Anyone else having trouble with Poly right now? [16:00] The more I look at the map, the more England and Greece irritate me. They're right next to our FP and palace sites. [16:00] adaMada42, yes [16:01] Greece must be forcibly 'rightsized' [16:01] the nice thing about the zulu cities, they will be under the FP's influance and not really have that bad of a corruption [16:02] E_T, any deals you can think of besides workers? [16:02] I'm going from civ to civ looking for workers, but not checking on other things [16:02] Athens and Berlin are the keys to victory [16:02] I havent looked [16:03] I guess we could go around seeing how much we can get for map trades, but I'd almost be inclined to not bother -- it'd take forever to do and produce little gold [16:03] ok [16:03] well once we have the forces We'll see the situation and make a decision, 20 calvary + cannon cando the job [16:03] wait a few for the map trades [16:03] * Shiber is now known as MrWhereIsShiber [16:03] Is it just me, or are russian forces in our territory? [16:04] 4CP orders done [16:04] Tass, there might be -- if they are, our orders are to kick 'em out [16:04] where are they, though? [16:04] We have one russian city surrounded [16:04] luckily, it's just you [16:04] they left our territory a turn ago [16:05] 12 arnellos my orders are in the message, if you like I can paste themhere [16:05] Gotcha [16:05] Oh. Well, then I guess MY save is a turn outdated [16:05] We got some greek forces in our boarders [16:05] anyone see em? [16:05] okay, i'll be away for 10 to 15 minutes [16:05] 12Please, Aggie [16:06] 12i have a quick CP change. Boomtown, change WF from #10 to #11 [16:06] 4Doing CP change [16:06] E_T, why? [16:06] If anyone can spot the Greek forces, we can decide if we need to kick em out or not [16:06] 12 calv in avignon goto del monte [16:07] Border creep near argos, atleast 1 greek worker in our territory, maybe a knight also [16:07] ada: I think it's a worker near Chiquita clearing jungle for us. [16:07] oh, I see... doesn't slow down production, but raises trade :) [16:07] I see the worker :) [16:07] 2 turns to complete, waisting the shields, 1 more LPT [16:07] Pretty sweat [16:07] 12 galley near japan s,sw,sw [16:07] well, I guess we won't be kicking them out then, will we :) [16:07] 4galley near japan s,sw,sw [16:07] I'm an Artist at work..... [16:07] 12 galley near polar region e,e,e [16:07] I don't see any point to booting them. :) [16:08] 12 cannon in macross gotro gaia [16:08] 4galley near south pole e,e,e (in sight of a Chinese galley next to pole) [16:08] 12 upgrade pike in contagion to musk [16:08] ALL Canons in Macross?? [16:09] 12 yes [16:09] 4moving cannons [16:10] that should be it for smc [16:10] 4pike upgraded to musk [16:10] I'll brb, if i'm not back befor the end of turn, o the rushes and then I'll be o.k. to go on to the next turn [16:11] * E_T is now known as E_T_AFK [16:11] 12ANY FAM ORDERS? [16:12] * Guest has joined #civ3dem [16:12] Arnelos, we've done the trade thist urn.. [16:12] ok, just checking [16:13] So unless someone else knows of one, I'm dry :D [16:13] 12Aggie - I have several un-moved military units... [16:13] Hellu Guest [16:13] * SG_Apoc has joined #civ3dem [16:13]