Session Start: Tue Oct 26 00:03:00 2032 Session Ident: #civ3dem [00:03] * Now talking in #civ3dem [00:03] Perhaps we SHOULD pause when we find the lost civs... [00:03] testing the logging function [00:03] Or do Togas' orders cover every eventuality as usual? [00:03] *** Donegeal starts to sing the Spam song from Monty Pythons *** [00:03] that would be good for foreign to do some deals,by the way MWIA, shiber is the head of our exploration corp [00:03] I have one thing that I have to fix and I'm ready to go. THe last two turns I'll have to keep a good watch on..... [00:04] logging works :b: [00:05] I have been up for about 30 hours now so I might get a little silly... [00:05] MWIA, how about a 'Turnchat is NOW' thread? [00:05] OK, Aggie. That's cool [00:05] Getting there Aggie [00:05] donegeal: you mean you're gonna sing again? oh no, the horror! :p [00:05] I mean Shiber - sorry, distracted for a moment [00:06] Has anyone heard from Reddawg? [00:06] for real horror i would sing and it is almost halloween [00:06] * E_T_Busy is now known as E_T [00:06] i'll be back in 10 minutes, don't wait for me [00:07] * Shiber is now known as Shiber|br [00:07] * Shiber|br is now known as ShiberBRB [00:07] I got a PM from him concerning the last turnchat, but nothing else... [00:07] Orders are final, I hope, and Posted. [00:08] 3E_T jams to a Styx CD while working [00:08] Let me check the orders... [00:08] Can we do this without his budget? [00:09] SMC, FAM, PW check. [00:09] we'll amanage, we know his intentions andf the purpose of a budget is to solve conflicts between the FAm/SMC and CP [00:09] CP with hideous fonts, check ;) [00:09] OK! 4 Starting chat now [00:10] 4PW orders for 720AD [00:10] 4CP done [00:10] 4SORRY! PW done [00:11] I had a few changes, did they get done? [00:11] 4 CP orders... [00:11] AH [00:11] * adaMada has joined #civ3dem [00:11] hello! [00:11] hey ada [00:11] hi [00:12] AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! The spiders!!! [00:13] hey everyone [00:13] Where are we? [00:13] Togas won't be able to make it, so I'm doing FAM stuff for the day [00:13] turn 0, WIA is doing the CP orders [00:14] ada, are we going to be getting Rome's map every turn? [00:14] ok [00:14] E_T, let me pull the orders up [00:14] We should at least try, to keep track of their ezploration efforts [00:15] 'k, gotcha [00:15] was there any discussion about it on the forums? [00:15] I was too busy to try to post about it. [00:15] Roman infidels! May Ceaser choke on a Banana! [00:16] E_T, 'k [00:16] just wnated to check that Togas hadn't decided and I missed it [00:16] Don, Do you want him to become your new Piss boy? [00:16] we'll check the cost each turn and decide by that [00:17] hmmm... I do need another one... [00:17] Bets to do ti with just our TM and cash for their WM, cheeper [00:18] * Disconnected Session Close: Tue Oct 26 00:21:15 2032 Session Start: Tue Oct 26 00:21:20 2032 Session Ident: #civ3dem [00:21] * Now talking in #civ3dem [00:21] * ShiberBRB is now known as Shiber [00:21] back! [00:21] 4SMC and all orders done. Turn end in 1 min. [00:21] i missed some of what has gone on so the log will be incomplete, sorry [00:22] just did turn 0 orders [00:23] 4 Ah f***. Sorry Aggie - I just moved the Galley E of the mainland EEE as in the orders, not via the changed SESESE [00:23] btw, the galley near Susa should move SE all the way, despite Aggie's goto moves [00:23] damn, i was too late [00:23] Sorry again, Shiber [00:23] can't we just load the game then and redo this part? [00:23] MWIA, at some point in the chat I'd like to chat with you (quicker than PM and probably won't take that long), but it can wait until a quiet period [00:23] We'll still find them soon [00:24] Sure ada. [00:24] thats ok it will be aonly aslight difference anyway [00:24] Shiber - we could, but I was away for 10 mins with the4 CP orders -I really don't want to do them again if I can help it. I would if it was a major change. [00:24] Ok [00:24] I think thats is against the integrety of this game... [00:25] shiber it won't make a significant difference [00:25] i don't think so - there's no cheating element here, but nevermind [00:25] Not sure, donegeal - it's not really changing anything beyond correcting an Exec mistake [00:25] ANyway... 4 Turn ends [00:26] Yeah! [00:26] We get the bonus of human thought. The computer does not. With humans, comes mistakes. We must deal with them... [00:26] 4 Misc Axted, Russian troop movements.. [00:27] oh Astec... [00:27] is anyone playing along who wouldn't mind keeping an eye out for FAM deals with Saltpeter/Incense? [00:27] adaMada, i'd love to help out [00:27] 4 Jerusalem, GeoFront's culture expands [00:27] I'm not playing along, but I load the save each turn... [00:27] Ok, Shiber and Donegeal, let me know ifa nything comes up [00:27] anyway i'm sure we can all keep a watchful eye [00:27] 4 Russians building Adam Smith's [00:28] 4 That's it for events. [00:28] Ok :) [00:28] 4CP orders [00:28] save please [00:28] post save! [00:29] I haven't done my Wonder Race sheet in a while, but I know Rome's close to JSB's [00:29] Oh - save, sure! [00:29] ;) [00:29] save, save, save...... [00:29] too bad, it's such a cool wonder [00:30] Really? We'd better go to war with France and get a GL and take it, then... [00:30] :D [00:30] ;) [00:30] 4 Save posted [00:31] * Meshelic has joined #civ3dem [00:31] hello all [00:31] I'm typing one handed at the moment. Liking the bowl for the leftover batter on my birthday cake. [00:31] hello [00:31] E_T - Loveshack didn't grow - remind me to do the WF next turn when it does. [00:31] hi meshelic [00:31] hey shiber [00:31] aggie [00:31] Birthday cake? HAppy Birthday E_T? [00:31] adamada [00:31] etc. [00:31] oh yes, as per new Ministry guidelines, we may be kicking some foreign booty out of our Territory, so let me know if we see any military units/settlers passing through [00:31] Meshelic :) [00:32] Hmmm, I think I had that in both this and next turns orders, I'll chexk [00:32] Meshelic! Save me from the spam! [00:32] ? [00:32] 41 yesterday [00:32] happy birthday ET [00:32] E_T NY didn't grow either [00:32] Yes indeedy - feliz cumpleanos E_T! [00:33] what have i missed thus far? [00:33] am i too late? [00:33] nothing significant [00:33] Yor looking aT TURN 2, NOT 1 [00:33] just did some orders for 720 AD [00:33] OH! I get it now [00:34] small turnout this time it seems... [00:34] Turn 0 was 720 AD.... :embarrassed: [00:34] ;) [00:34] i thought that I was coing crazy there........ [00:34] Got a bit muddled.... o_0 [00:34] loading save.... [00:35] rome wants more then 1 gold for WM [00:36] Did you change Ubergorsk? [00:36] Donegeal, how many? [00:36] 3 g + tm for WM [00:36] Persia: 4gpt, 8g, WM for Saltpeter. [00:37] Do we want persia to have saltpeter? [00:37] with 1.29... that is... [00:37] Shiber, that's not that bad. Anyone else who can pay in gpt? [00:37] Don, that sounds about right. [00:37] 'fraid not [00:37] Donegeal, that sounds about right but 1.29 totally screws with the numbers, so I honestly dunno [00:37] let me have another look though [00:38] Same with 1.21 [00:38] 4 CP done [00:38] Shiber, while you're there, tell me if you see anything major on Music Theory/Metalurgy [00:38] ok, thanks E_T [00:39] 3 g + tm -> WM sounds a lot like four gold to me... I don't think it's worth buying this minute unless we have another deal in the works, but anyone disagree? [00:39] 4 PW orders [00:39] adaMada, England would sell Metallurgy for Navigation + ~750g, not likely [00:39] nothing on Music Theory [00:39] Shiber, ok, thanks [00:39] We can see where they are headed to..... [00:39] Yea, I don't think we'll be doing that this turn, but it's worth keeping an eye on [00:40] adaMada, are we gonna sell saltpeter to persia then? [00:40] Did Reddawg post a budget, and do we have money to spair? [00:40] Nope, we wing it [00:40] Ok [00:40] I won't be doing any rushed until next turn [00:40] Anyone have a reason NOT to sell saltpeter to Persia? It meets Togas requirements, and every penny counts... [00:41] i support that trade [00:41] I would support that too [00:41] :b: [00:41] Persia is not strong enough to make a difference with it [00:41] Aggie, no secret plans for war with Persia next turn? :D [00:41] and can pay nicely for it [00:41] hang on one sec... [00:41] He want's to see first about as a part of a tech deal, that's the way I read it [00:41] wait... what will russia pay for it? [00:41] Should we hang on to Saltpeter for the Lost civs? [00:42] They might pay significantly more, since we haven't taken all their money already [00:42] or they might already have it [00:42] check russia, the lost civs might already have it.... [00:42] : ) [00:42] adaMada, AFAIK we can't sell saltpeter to a civ that hasn't discovered gunpowder yet [00:42] no point in holding it for the lost civs then [00:42] From Togas's orders: Sell off SaltPeter or Incense (if it reverts) as a part of a major deal to reduce cost of tech, if possible. If not, sell off to nation (other than France!) that will give best possible price. [00:43] sounds like selling to persia is ok.. [00:43] other clients (russia and aztecs) have a zero treasury and will not pay gpt. they have no tech to sell either [00:43] i'm sure the germans and greeks are out of the question for saltpeter, yes? [00:43] We don't have to sell it this turn [00:43] Shiber, any chance we might wind up selling Saltpeter to an undiscovered civ shoudl they turn out to be richer then we anticipate? [00:43] 12 galley e of mainlqand se,se,se [00:43] yes aggie good [00:44] galley one uber e,e,e [00:44] THey will most likely be backwards [00:44] adaMada, first there's a very slim chance that a lost civ has gunpowder [00:44] 4 PW done [00:44] Sorry [00:44] I emant to say "any chance we'll sell them gunpowder?" [00:44] 4 SMC... starting with Aggie's reported above [00:44] second, no matter how rich they are, we'll empty their coffers and put them in huge gpt debts when we sell them tech [00:44] they'll have no money left for saltpeter [00:44] Good point -- if we get to sell them gunpowder, they won't have anything left [00:45] Ok, agreed, we'll take the Persia deal unless anyone objects... [00:45] no objection here [00:45] they're too weak to make any difference with it [00:45] 4 No sign of lost land yet... [00:45] best one I could see... [00:46] 4 Continuing SMC orders... [00:46] MWIA, you're moving SE SE SE right? [00:46] New FAM order: Sell Saltpeter to Persia for 4gpt, 8g, WM (MWIA: will repeat order once you it, just giving you heads up :)) [00:47] 12 New FAM order: Sell Saltpeter to Persia for 4gpt, 8g, WM (MWIA: will repeat order once you it, just giving you heads up :)) [00:47] 3did somebody lose some land? [00:47] we can also sell persia iron when we get extra [00:47] 4 SMC done [00:48] 4 FAM order as posted above by ada... [00:48] E_T what do you mean lost land? [00:48] Ok, about getting hold of the map E_T wanted... [00:48] How much gold do we have in the treasury? [00:48] WIA said no sight of lost land..... [00:49] MWIA: we're moving the galleys SE SE SE this time, i hope [00:49] 4Trade Saltpeter to Persia for 4Lpt, 8L and WM [00:49] Shiber - yes the mainland Galley didi SEx3 [00:50] 4 246L in treasury, +251Lpt [00:50] WIA, do you want me to compile the report? I can do it tomorrow morning first thing. [00:50] Ok, thanks MWIA :D [00:50] Sure, Shiber... I will put up a preliminary one as soon as the chat finishes though. [00:51] 4 Alrighty... all done, ending turn in 2mins [00:51] Do people still see benefit in aquiring Rome's map? [00:51] did we buy Romes Map? [00:52] * nz_upy has joined #civ3dem [00:52] no not yet [00:52] MWIA, hang on a sec if you can [00:52] hi nz_upy [00:52] Sure. Rome's map is only 1L\ [00:52] Seriously? I heard it was 3 + tm [00:52] then there's nothing new in it, i suppose [00:52] NZ??? [00:52] hi everyone [00:52] 12 too avoid confusion I have now posred corrct Ship Orders in orders thread, so please referesh [00:52] hello [00:52] MWIA, if it's 1, don't even bother -- it's got nothing new [00:52] no slaves for sale... [00:53] we'll buy Rome's map next turn [00:53] unless anyone objects... [00:53] And no French Workers on SP [00:53] o.k. [00:53] the english worker is still digging the road to our iron source :) [00:53] 4 Ending turn in 1 min [00:54] Unless there are objections..? [00:54] LOL, gotta love the brits :) [00:54] MWIA, you've got my approval [00:54] What gentlemen those English are! [00:54] Shiber, How long has he been there? [00:54] about 5 turns i think [00:54] he's been there awhile. [00:54] 12cp looks good [00:55] it takes a while, after all it's a mountain tile [00:55] hello mates am i still in england? hehe [00:55] * WIA is eating breakfast - my God I was hungry after last night... [00:55] 4Turn ended [00:55] and the brits aren't industrious [00:55] Are English also Industrous? [00:55] I wonder if we could take a worker of our own and start mining the French saltpeter tiles [00:55] stopping one turn before we finish and reordering... [00:55] Meshelic: yeah, I loved that cartoon. [00:55] no expansionist and commercial i believe... [00:55] I don't think the AI'll kick you out if you're working their land [00:55] shiber veryfunny indeed [00:56] addamada actually i've tried, doesn't seem to let you work their land [00:56] as I think about it, someone posted a plan like that... [00:56] 4Nothing special happens... [00:56] 13* E_T is starting to smell the rich smell of birthday cake baking...... [00:56] WB lazy worker plan... [00:56] hummmmmmm birthday cakke [00:56] Ahh, that's it [00:56] it is possible to improve territory that is not yours [00:57] anyway, we can always connect these sources after we conquer france. dunno if we should risk our workers [00:57] And Ice Cream.... [00:57] 12 for that ET i'd give up all y upgrades [00:57] E_T - AGC has Worker next in queue when orders say it is Spear or Musket - change to Spear? [00:57] Shiber, I'm just talking about stopping the French from connecting them [00:57] oh [00:57] *** Donegeal kicks ET in the chin for not sharing *** [00:57] Only to the limit that the other civ has for tech & Resource [00:57] 4 Allocating Aggie's cash for E_T's cake. [00:57] :D [00:57] that's a good idea actually, but i'm afraid it isn't possible [00:57] hehe [00:58] the AI asks your workers to leave its territory unless they start improving it [00:58] Shiber, I know, but what if we had the worker building a mine... [00:58] if we just stand there france will get angry at us [00:58] and stopping one turn before completion every time... [00:58] 4 Saving [00:58] and then restarting the next turn, after france 'asks' that we remove our foces [00:58] *forces [00:58] adaMada, actually that's a great idea! [00:58] WB had it first, actually [00:58] too bad ghengis is not here [00:58] 4Posting.. [00:59] I don't know if his involved just having a worker sit there or a worker work the tile, but he came up with the idea of sending a worker to sit on the tile [00:59] i suggest that you mention it to ghengis anyway [00:59] yea, I think it might just work... [00:59] 4 Still eating breakfast... [00:59] as long as it dont cause a rep hit [00:59] 4 Save posted! [00:59] AGC might come up as a Musket, the Spear was in the Q before w got GP, So I don't know what It's going to do [00:59] I'll try to remember, but someone else should feel free to mention it to him [00:59] E_T - AGC came up as worker - change it to Musket? [00:59] I honestly don't follow the CP/PW threads that well :-\, so... [01:00] WC [01:00] 4 Changing AGC to WC [01:00] 12change AGC to WC [01:00] Read your mind.. :D [01:00] 4 CP orders... [01:01] Why did it do that? Humm, I'll look at it as soon as it loads [01:01] 12I have one addition to the orders [01:01] our income grew by 22gpt from 720 to 730 [01:02] and again by 4gpt from 730 to 740 [01:02] 4 - Go ahead, E_T [01:02] 12Ruch Musket in Chiquita for 48L [01:03] *rush [01:04] 4 Musket rushed [01:04] 12same city, change WF to 1-3-4-12-13-14 [01:04] 12Everything else as posted. [01:05] E_T are you sure? Doesn't that mean a deficit of 1? [01:05] Should be Zero [01:05] 12sorry, 1-4-5-12-13-14 [01:06] Aha [01:06] 4Done [01:06] 12and then when it's built next turn, change it back to 4-5-6-12-13-14 [01:07] 3did you rush the Cath in San Cortez? [01:07] Not yet... Arbela didn;t build worker this turn. [01:08] Do I rush the Cathedral? [01:08] Boring, isn't it guys? [01:09] I think you looking at the wrong date again... [01:09] Not at all! This is Flip'em off in action! [01:09] Yes [01:09] 740AD... [01:09] It says Arbela - Worker built, Library next in Q - WF to 1-2-3-7-16 [01:10] Tha's in 750 [01:10] excuse my ignorance, but what is WF? [01:10] It's in BOTH, that's why! [01:10] WorkForce [01:10] Never mind - explained 4 CP finished [01:10] 4PW now [01:10] oh. the simplest answer is usually it [01:11] You'll have to get to know the numbers as an RA.... [01:12] yes i know [01:12] still new to me [01:12] : ) [01:13] I'm going to get a smoke and check out the B-day cake, BRB [01:13] * E_T is now known as E_T_AFK [01:16] 4PW done [01:16] Now the fun... 4 SMC [01:16] :)) [01:16] YES [01:16] hows the galley going? [01:16] EXPLORE!!! [01:16] galley se,se,se [01:17] (i like how mine and shiber's orders ended up being the same thing) [01:17] lol [01:17] great minds think alike [01:17] i like that saying [01:17] one of my favorites actually [01:17] All there is to do is 4GEC SEx3 [01:18] are you excited MWIA? [01:18] Spotted! [01:18] land???? [01:18] $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ [01:18] Now who is that? [01:18] YES YES [01:18] let me see... [01:18] Chinese. [01:18] no contact yet, only next turn [01:18] good good news [01:18] :)) [01:18] VERY exciting [01:19] 41min to end turn [01:19] I mean 4 1 Min to end turn [01:19] buy map from rome yet? [01:19] 12 should be in red:) [01:19] see how close they are? [01:19] hehehe we want that contact and $$$$$ [01:19] 12NOOOO map trades [01:19] 4 Hold on a sec... [01:20] Do I rush the Cathedral in San Cortes? [01:20] yes... its in the orders... [01:20] *Aggie* good job [01:20] mmmmm, Chocolate & Strawberry Marble cake with chocolate & Strawberry marbles frosting....mmmmmm [01:21] 12Rush san Cortez [01:21] *** Donegeal kicks ET in the chin again *** [01:21] 12 et is that for the land ho party [01:21] * E_T_AFK is now known as E_T [01:21] 4 Turn ends in 30s [01:21] we saw land [01:21] KEWL [01:22] 4 Turn ending [01:22] shiber our naval operations are a success! [01:22] What happened? [01:22] :dance: [01:22] -> *Aggie* Thank you :) [01:22] DId we buy Rome's map? [01:22] do a little dance....make a little love...get down tonight! [01:22] Land ho [01:22] yeahh [01:22] ohhh [01:22] nicce [01:23] 4 750AD - nothing of importance [01:23] Ok :) [01:23] poor Aro going to have ALOT of work to do... [01:23] when he gets back [01:23] feel sorry for em [01:23] MWIA, I've talked to Togas, and I have his authorization NOT to request a stopage of game when we make contact [01:23] you have the decision, of course, but he decided against asking for one [01:24] we believe our plan now can handle it [01:24] 3MrWIA, when we get their maps, could you post a screen shot? [01:24]