Session Start: Tue Oct 15 08:24:29 2002 Session Ident: #civ3dem 4 Turnchat Starting. I've already done all the CP orders except the Hole in the Wall onces. Ok, Apoc. What is up with Hole in wall? Apparently Ghengis made a deal with Godking through pms that E_T didn't know about. E_T E_T's last orders were to wait until the chat to get it straightened out. yeah? and your point? Its his fault it was done in PM's oh... didn't see that... * E_T_1 has joined #civ3dem Just who I wanted to see. Hi, E_T I've done all CP orders except Hole in the Wall. YYAAWWNNNN * Shiber has joined #civ3dem hi et! hey, ET, you were suposed to be here an hour ago! HIW, o.k I just woke up IT's 8:30 Centrald So, what do you want to do about HITW. ? And I thought we were going to meet earlier to go over orders... Or HoleinWall. :( Whatever the city is called. Sorry HIW has a problen i need to dis cuss it np... just that critisism I was talking about earlier.. the problen ios Yes, I read about the problem. So, what is suppose to be built there? that supposably ie was to be used to build suicid galleys * aggie has joined #civ3dem hello Heya Aggie. hi all so when I did the quild queue, i changed frimharbor to temple So, should we build the Galley? I don't think we need another worker right now anyway. then rushed the temple SMC.... *** Donegeal Bows *** thanky you don Worker in HIW right now anyway. Aggie dosn't wan a galley with out a harbor So, do you want me to rush a habor first? A harbor would be ggod there for the lux... hi aggie! Hi, aggie... I was AFK true but remeber the upgrades, hi shiber yes wrkr to build road to rome's network and ours hi aro the road will also give lux we can't rush it though we don't have the dough Switch to Harbor and hash it out during the week... et is was wondering "why wait till next turn for the trade deals" Anywhays, the only person who has had a problem has ben Ghengisfarb Actually we do have the to rush it. yes but he is very important player... "such a Deal" requires using the dye that will be renegotiated next turn 140 to 240L cheeper have the money to rush it. Unless we are saving it for the trade deal. Reddawg said no CP rushes.. Rushing worker will be for 24 ok et, we are saving all cash except 100 each turn fro upgrades Reddawd denided funds for it so the worker is within budget, we should have that much left a trun Anyway. I'm going to go do the PW orders really quick. Tell me what to do with Holeinwall when I come back Why do we need to rush anything in Hole? pop next turn goes to 3 HIW , aggie what do you know about this suiside galley thing? oh.. then disorder... well since we are fairly close to atsros o think we should holsd off of the suicide galley thing , caverals have bettr chance I hadn't heard of it intil the messages with GF How close are we from Asto? *astro Public works orders done. I say ET is the acting CP, if something was hashed out in PM's and wasn't debated on by the people and the acting CP doesn't know about it, then tough luck... Oh, the PM thing... What I want it know is WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE PLAN?? I'm being accused of deliberately NOT following the wished & desires of the populatiuon So, should I move on to the IE orders or do you have some plans for Holeinwall yet? how could it be the wishes of the population if it was a PM deal? I know were are theoretically suppose to build a galley. Aggie apparently does not want it until we have a harbor. With that I don't think we should build a galley yet/ GF ia accusing me of knowing of the plan, which i didn't and then handging it to suit me. I changede it because of several reasons, BUT NOT for the reasons I'm being accused os Personally, I thought that the whole point of moving Hole was to build a harbor then build the western fleet... did anyone see his post in the CP roll? Anyway. I have one other question about the CP orders. Why do you want tile 11 filled in Gaia? There is only 1 food there? If you don't want it to grow as quickly when we should use tile 18, since that has 1 food and 2 commercial. hold a moment, let me get the game up and running If we want more food then we should go for tile 10. oops... I meant to PM you about that ET... Donegeal lokk at it until I get back please * Shiber is now known as ShiberBRB yes, I think he meant tile 10 I'm going to do some IE orders. Did we get Ivory? * ShiberBRB is now known as Shiber * VPApoc-1 has joined #civ3dem My connection went out. did we make a trade for Ivory? * E_T_1 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) I'm going to do the IE orders while this hole thing is fixed. I didn't see any Ivory orders in Togas' post. Who's wearing the FAM hat around here? E_T, IIRC> * Shiber- has joined #civ3dem i'm back I'm about to refound Chartes... * Shiber has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) What do you think I should call it? * E_T_1 has joined #civ3dem hmmm... if we don't get Ivory, Gaia and Here It Is will starve... got messed up there for a moment let's call it chartres for now (in order not to add to the general confusion) and decide later :) i guess we have to... we can't afford marketplaces this turn what did togas say? * Shiber- is now known as Shiber Ivory will wait A TURN, AT LEAST he said nothing for this turn... Chartres founded. E_T...what should be built there? If we get it , it will be part od such a Dea;" Gaia and Here It Is have three food in storage so the population won't decress... About Gaia...I am wondering about why the jungle title was ordered. If we are planning of having a low food production, we should have the jungle/w road tile. Here has two food, but won't decrease in pop with one turn... I asked about title 10 because I thought it might have been confused with tile 11 since they are next to eachother and tile 10 have a lot of food and commercial. With out the Ivory, the WF orders are moot... * VPApoc has quit IRC (Ping timeout) 12Any of the WC suppose to be upgraded? * VPApoc-1 is now known as VPApoc Hello? yes? I'm here. Apoc yes apoc 1 in macross aggie, u here? you're needed sorry I was getting a drink oh okay then at least make a toast without Ivory, Gaia WF should be 2-4-5-6-7-8-10 +1 tax, +1 ent that will be net -1 food 12 upgrade one wc in macross 12cp order change: HIW change queue #2 from spearman to harbor & queue #3 from wrk to galley Alright. One WC upgraded in Macross. All the SMC orders are done. Turn endable. All I have to do now is the final CP order. no... WF is not right... 12 did you upgrade Did yuou change Gaia? I changed from 11 to 10. the city will still be in disorder good, That must have been a Type I didn't get to double check I thought it was a typo. That is why I brought it up. because of the GF thing 4 Turn endable. fam end hello? CP end Togas did not leave any FM orders for this turn. Should have have done something? 12 if upgrade made, then end h waius oh wahir FAM has something let me look wait! I'm still trying to get organized here What is the WF of Gaia? 2-3-4-5-7-8-10 Tax Ent oh... I didn't see that in the orders... It was right under the Delmonte orders. About HIW, I just got this Memo from GK : 4 Turn Ends in 1 minute Sorry - I will have to write a memo to you regarding all the plans I had. I am at work now, so here is the quick version re: Hole in the Wall (the 'the' should be there, but OPD forgot it and it has stuck without....) Move city south to access water. Start on a temple, purchase as funds become available. Start on a harbor, purchase as funds become available. WB was to move a worker from the french areas toward here to do some mining and such. If a worker was not available, then we would build one asap. Sorry if this caused confusion. I will put together a memo for you this weekend. yeah, I see that but it says different then what you put... Trade renegotiatuon with Germany Alright then. What about HoleinWall now? And what about the German negotiation. I want to wrap this up. This turn has taken 40 minutes. It has all been the fault of Hole. and not getting Ivory... well for 20g i'd say go head, it would mean 1gpt more on trade deal, but it is necessary 12Just tell me what to do. I have completed all the orders written down for me. 12 rush worker in HIW 12renegotiate Dyes with Germany for ^LPT & 11L 4Worker rushed. ^ is not a number. 11LPT sorry, 6LPT so 6GPT and 11L? and 11Lytons I mean 6GPT and 11G? 6LPT & 11L yes do we buy a worker for 22 always... YES 12Reneogiate what with Germany? I don't see any Lux deal with them in the window. 12France - Worker for 22L Active Dyes apoc goto active deals I am saying nothing shows up. Ahh there it is. whew! Had me worried... So change it to 6GPT and 11G? Lyton, gold Ok, that done. I'm going to give the new worker an order. Anything else? 4Turn endable Hey ET.. PM 4Turn ends in 1 minute wait.. please 12 did you get worker what Yes I did. I just gave it an order to join one of the workers in mining. perfect Anything else? 12 turn endable fo smc Is there two Ent in Here it is? Here it is should be 1 Entertainer Nope. There is 1 Tax. Somebody forgot to give it orders. does is show it will still be in disorder? Please change to tax Yes it did. I changed the tax to Ent. I did say int the orders that I had not double checked them, Good ok... never mind... Now, about Ivory... :) What are we doing with it now? * Farb has joined #civ3dem Hi Hey Ghengis. I built Chartres. I'm about to end 580. Hi, Ghengis Hi GF I have to leave fo work soon can you people at last fix the names of the cities when you're done? I'm sick of "Site E" hi ghengis Fix city names? Is there a list of names? This was not in the orders thread. If you want me to do something, put it in the orders. I can post them in the Save thread if you want. I am really sick of people assuming that I'll do things that are not in the orders thread. You can post it in the save thread. I will change them at the end of the chat. Easier to find, less posts in the orders thread Thanks * Shiber has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Ivory...what are we doing about it? than in the Orders thread 12 Ivory...what are we doing about it? I'll be back, I hope there arnt any more CP issues. NEED COFFEE 4Turn will end in 1 minute unless someone tells me something. next turn for Ivory, maybe Togas said nothing about. It's your decision, Apoc. Ok, acting FAM is gone... no orders from togas on Ivory.. 12cp end. Fam end Donegeal end :) 4 30 seconds 12 smc end 420 seconds wait. 4 10 seconds 42 is grey :) :) 4Turn Ending Shiber hes having difficulties with his connection * Shiber has joined #civ3dem Could someone keep track of workers we trade for and capture? It is NEVER posted in the report on Apoly. K... One worker... Unsettling Aztec and Greek movement! I'm going to post the save now. Back, I love the smell of freshly ground coffee * ruby_mase has joined #civ3dem Save uploading... Loading save hehehehe... first... * VPApoc has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) * VPApoc has joined #civ3dem scared us there apoc * Shiber has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Listen, I'm going to do the CP WF orders so you all have time to get your stuff straighten out. My connection cuts out periodically. With those cities back into production, we have 173 LPT income Checking th eFAM stuf in preperation for "Such a deal" orders * Shiber has joined #civ3dem There is a problem with the MAcross orders because there is a French spear in tile 13 Kill it lol 12 remeber pay about 300 gold the rest in GPt 3Start of "Such a Deal" phase 1 3All deals listed in lyton (L) or LPT 12Aztec - WM; 1L for our TM Ok, CP WF done. I'm starting on Such a Deal. 12Are we sure we want to start trading our map? 12Iroquois - WM; 37L for our WM That's part of the deal, yes Togas has approved it If we can found Site A in Uber Isle... yes * Ghengis has joined #civ3dem Iroquois and Aztec trades done. What is next? 12France - WM; Worker & 1L for our WM * Farb has quit IRC (Ping timeout) * dejon has joined #civ3dem Hi dejon Hi Mr. Mapmaker I'm swithching between 3 screens here Howe about trade france WM; Worker & 2L for our WM instead? ET, you useing patch 1.29f? 12How about trade France WM; Worker & 2L for our WM instead? 12England - WM; 8L for TM apoc that works for me 1.21 Is someone going to keep track of new workers? so far we have bought 2 I am... 2 french... England and France done. What's next? * astrologi has joined #civ3dem Have they Gunpowder? Hi, Astrologix. hi 12Babylon - WM, Worker & 1L for WM They have 3 gold.... I have to go and I need someone to post the total on Apolyton after the turnchat because workers haven't been posted in a month I'm making that trade but for 3 gold. 12 baby will give us all gold 3 instead of 1 WHat now? what Somebody please keep trace of what we've make sofar i posted before i saw your post looking at persia 12Persia - WM; 2LPT & 7L for our WM 3"Such a Deal" Phase I complete, on to phase two Persia is done. What was only 5 trades... That was phase 1. next is rome. Desision is do we want the Ivory now? We can some bacek to them after we get the techs 2Lpt + 49 L so far... I don't care. This should have been decided yesterday. City name changes posted in Save thread, you should be able to see the next time you post a save. O.K, we'll go bak to them in a bit, Thanks Ghengis 12Rome buy WM for 5L NO!. Don't say we'll go back to it. Make a decision now. Did we buy those two Greek workers talked about on Apoly? last turn chat... I don't think so. It wasn't in the orders. If the FM or one of his 87 deputies don't post it in the orders thread of the turn we started on, you can't expect me to check myself. They had plenty of time to tell me. 12Greece - Banking for Dyes; WM; 21LPT & 292L I want to see what we have left of our budget If something isn't in contradition with the orders, I think you can do it, apoc I didn't do the Rome trade. Missed England in phased one for totals... 57 L + 2 LPT + 2 Workers Banking cost us 670L to but Dyes; WM; 21LPT & 292L is NOT ENOUGH for Banking. with rome/banking deal = wc upgrade we have 9 left, in my game it was hummmm 12Russia - Gunpowder for Banking; WM & 25 Lytons 12E_T: WHAT ARE YOU DOING I told you it isn't enough. I am going to post a screenshot. The deal requires Romes MAP Apoc is right, it's close but not enough OK. Are we decided on the Rome deal then? I told you I didn't do it because you didn't seem read. ready. 12We will look at the Ivory after the other stuf 12buy romes wm for fL * roadcage has joined #civ3dem see ya later * Ghengis has left #civ3dem roadcage, welcome There. I did the Rome and Greece deals. Moving onto Russia. see you ghengis Did Greece go the way that I said? Yes. I hope we have saltpeter... (crossing fingers) I'll have to change the Russia deal to Banking, WM, 1GPT and 7G the Banana will bless us... I upgraded a WC while I was waiting for you. We dont have salt peter At least no tconnected ah 12I'll have to change the Russia deal to Banking, WM, 1GPT and 7G Is that alright? 12Is that alright? * astrologi has quit IRC (Ping timeout) no problem, althoug I thought we where doing this first We needed to make sure we had money for the upgrade. hey good news we have 2 sp sources Yes! We do have saltpeter. I'll be AFK for few minutes... no problem, I'm really useless today ;) * ruby_mase has quit IRC (*.net *.split) * VPApoc has quit IRC (*.net *.split) * roadcage has quit IRC (*.net *.split) * aggie has quit IRC (*.net *.split) * E_T_1 has quit IRC (*.net *.split) ok... is there a hold up or do I have a ping problem? wow... what happend? Everybody is gone! Net split dumped 'em all Once they realize it, they just need to reconnect, maybe through an alternate server hmmmm.... does it make a difference that it says this is @donegeal? Does my computer have anything to do with it? I'll be back in few minutes... No, you're just the operator how many of our sources of saltpaper are connected? None. *** Donegeal kicks his Dell *** bummer well, at least we have two. :D 1 is between Geofront and City On a Hill, the other outside New York There are two more visible to us, just inside French territory :-) * aggie has joined #civ3dem ok a netsplit happened We will have the one by NY hooked up in a jiffy...