Session Start: Thu Oct 10 14:01:19 2002 Session Ident: #civ3dem [14:01] * Now talking in #civ3dem [14:03] Hello all [14:03] hello, everyon's here! :P [14:04] I thought we were having a turnchat today... I'm a wrong? [14:05] hello hello [14:05] that is what i thought [14:06] I think that we'll be using the poly chat [14:06] ewww [14:06] but there isn't an DG people there yet [14:07] WB, I have a suggestion for one of you workers [14:07] yes sir? [14:07] THe one that's at Antiock, your moving it south, right? [14:08] yeah, i was gonna have him build a road [14:09] I was wondering if you could move him to where the Iron is and have him build a Road there? [14:10] i don't believe the iron is in our territory yet though is it? [14:10] Also, did you get the PM from Togas about the Greek Workers? [14:10] i think once I have antioch connected, then I will go ahead and build a road to the iron [14:10] Yeah i did [14:10] i told him to go ahead and buy them if there wasn't anything pertinent to spend money on [14:10] more workers is always a good thing :-D [14:13] The Iron isn't in our territory, but will be soon [14:16] Antioch is building a Knight, but will most likely be changed to Temple soon. Figure about 12 turns before borders expand there. [14:16] ok, i'm gonna let that worker connect antioch to our trade network first, then i will go ahead and connect the iron [14:19] is the 15 minute rule in effect [14:20] i think that's only for colleges :P [14:21] well, its 4:20... they're off getting high. thats what it is [14:21] hmm [14:21] http://greenwichmeantime.com/ [14:21] says we still have 30 minutes left [14:22] ah, so whoever mentioned that in the threads was right [14:29] Ruby_mase Hi. Is this your first turnchat? [14:31] Aggie just cancelled or posponed, depending look here http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1359737&t=8615#post1359737 [14:32] * aggie (aggie@209.163.196.44) has joined #civ3dem [14:32] hmm, someone else could possibly run the chat though [14:32] Hi Aggie [14:32] Hi I just stooped in to say we are going to have to cancel. Since I am going somewherwe and won't be back until 3-4GMt, we could do it then or wait until tomoorw [14:33] hi et [14:33] My machine isn't up to it, PII 450, and I'm not confident of doing it yet. [14:33] i guess we can postpone [14:33] whitebandit could you run the chat [14:33] I think postponeing will be best. [14:33] eh, i was planning on observing and doing homework, but if i can finish up my essay in the next 10 minutes, i can probably give it a shot [14:33] Are we planning to change to Republic? [14:34] OH [14:34] i can;t [14:34] I think the plan was finish the american war and then we would stop the chat to find out:) [14:34] i don;t have 1.21 [14:34] if i installed it, i could play [14:34] hmm [14:34] but that will take a moment [14:34] ok, well if you want toi spread the word we can try later tonight at 3-4gmt do you think that could work [14:35] or tomoorrow anyrime [14:35] well you could make it a turn thread if no one shows up [14:35] I must be off... later everyone [14:35] * ruby_mase (~ruby_mase@63.143.125.214) Quit (Quit) [14:35] I'd rather not but with approval we could., I better go you all can discuss it and pm with with a decision I'll get it when I get back [14:35] Later [14:36] that would be about 10 PM EDT, right? [14:36] that would be dtarting around 11dt [14:36] close [14:36] but this will be pretty quick about 43-4 turns at most [14:36] 43 turns! [14:36] hehe [14:36] :P [14:37] later good luck if ya'll want to try [14:37] I could make it. I guess we'll be waiting to change to Republic [14:37] hehe i didn't look at what I was writing [14:37] * aggie (aggie@209.163.196.44) Quit [14:37] Although I haven't seen anything on actual timeing [14:47] Well, I've got a few things to do, so I'll see you tonight [14:48] * Disconnected Session Close: Thu Oct 10 14:48:35 2002 Session Start: Thu Oct 10 15:50:30 2002 Session Ident: #civ3dem [15:50] * Now talking in #civ3dem [15:56] * Zeit (Zeit@slip139-92-208-192.tel.il.prserv.net) has joined #civ3dem [15:56] hey, what's going on, no chat today? [15:57] WB? [15:57] HELLO! [15:57] well I'm not sure [15:57] There was, then aggie cancelled [15:57] then OPD said yes [15:57] but so far, no OPD [15:59] he said that in about 30 mins or so, according to his last post [16:01] * donegeal (donegeal@24-196-141-240.mad.wi.charter.com) has joined #civ3dem [16:02] Ahhh.... here it is... [16:04] hi there denegeal [16:11] you doing the cp orders today? [16:12] * adaMada (~adamada@user-0c8hl1p.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #civ3dem [16:12] hi all [16:12] probably won't be able to talk, but am here [16:12] hello sir! Hows the team doing? [16:13] surprisingly well -- I don't have many points, but I've managed to climb to second [16:13] how about yours? [16:14] I've posted the CP orders, and i came cause OPD said we might ave a turn chat if we are enough- and every person counts [16:14] hey zeit [16:15] hey adaMada [16:15] in the dirt... [16:18] Which team are you again? [16:18] I can remember mine, Togas', and Apocs, but after that I can't remember who controls what [16:18] wat teams are you talking about? [16:20] Hey, zeit, did you read my Pina Colada thread? [16:20] The teams are the Jungle Ball Teams. Mines Banana (HQ) Peels [16:20] yes, i reviewed your suggested orders and implemented some of them, check the orders thread [16:20] thanks again. [16:21] I was mainly concerned about the poss of Chiquita flip... so you don't think it will happen? [16:22] i don't think so, they chances for Arbela are pretty small when were calculated, and chiquta situation isn't as worse, so, ii'm not terribly concerned [16:22] oh yeah, I noticed that you put down that Chiquita is going to grow. It won't. Its size 6 and has no aquaduct [16:22] thanks, i'll fix this [16:23] oh yea, Donegeal, sorry I never got back on your PM about PTW... been very busy [16:23] np, this is what RA are for.. [16:23] PM about PTW??? huh? what are you talking about? ;) [16:24] hang on a sec [16:24] you sent a mass PM to a ton of people about PTW, right? [16:25] multisite demogame? [16:25] who? me? I don't know what you are talking about. (shhhh.....) [16:25] lol, 'k, sorry [16:26] ;) [16:27] * opd (~dwyerowen@pc-80-193-124-196-hb.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #civ3dem [16:27] lo [16:27] lo OPD [16:27] how long are you here ada??? [16:27] Mr Prez... ** Donegeal bows*** [16:28] Um, depends... [16:28] Got a ton of work, but I'll probably stay in the room and ignore it for the entire chat, and if I'm needed I could stick around for another minute [16:28] * opd winks at Don [16:28] ok ada [16:28] OPD, good to see you here [16:28] FM orders are really easy for once -- you only have to check if something comes up, no specific orders, so... [16:29] stop doing that! Your making me feel uncomfortable! [16:29] ok ada [16:29] * opd winks at Don [16:30] ok WB, Don and Zeit serious questions that you have to answer truthfully. [16:30] ask away [16:30] Which of you could/would be playing along????? [16:31] WB are you there???? [16:31] not i [16:31] i'm here sorta [16:31] but no playing along really :-/ [16:31] Never tried it before. [16:31] This is my first chat [16:31] Don are you capable of playing along??? [16:32] capable? I think so..my computer is good enough, but how do I do it? [16:33] just load up the save and look at whats going on. [16:33] ok still waiting for an answer from Zeit [16:33] on what (soory, drifting)? [16:33] that is what I thought. Sure I'll give it a go [16:34] * Apoc (wmoeller@AC9DAE99.ipt.aol.com) has joined #civ3dem [16:34] * Togas (~tom_ogas@209.78.90.10) has joined #civ3dem [16:34] second question how up to date are you guys with whats been going on in the last few days [16:34] Apoc, Togas [16:34] What's up? [16:34] yay apoc [16:34] yay togas [16:34] hey Apoc, did you send me the trade on yahoo? [16:34] apoc- pm [16:34] I'm doing Model UN stuff right now so I can't really devote much time to this chat. [16:34] I won't be really following this chat, but might be in it [16:35] have a ton of work :( [16:35] I have been checking out the posts almost hourly.... [16:35] donegeal: You are Banana HQ right? If so then yes, it is on Yahoo. [16:35] ok, I'll check it out after chat [16:35] second question how up to date are you guys with whats been going on in the last few days [16:36] On top of things. [16:37] OPD: I have a general idea, but have been concentrating on Real Life/the Con Con/other responsibilities [16:37] tog - pm [16:37] so I might not know everything [16:38] * Zeit (Zeit@slip139-92-208-192.tel.il.prserv.net) Quit (Quit) [16:39] I think I know most of whats going on... [16:39] * Zeit (Zeit@slip139-92-208-192.tel.il.prserv.net) has joined #civ3dem [16:39] yes Banana Peels, Apoc [16:40] ok then I'm going to give it ten minutes then see how things are. [16:40] Are you sure you don't have a trade message? [16:40] looks like I'm going to miss survior... [16:40] I haven't been to the JB site in a while... [16:41] * Zeit (Zeit@slip139-92-208-192.tel.il.prserv.net) Quit (Quit) [16:41] back in a few mins [16:41] * opd is now known as OPDaway [16:41] * Zeit (Zeit@slip139-92-208-192.tel.il.prserv.net) has joined #civ3dem [16:42] sorry for dis- and re connecting, got some problem, but seems okay now... [16:42] I will be able to play along, but I'm running 1.29f [16:43] Donegeal, that means that some things'll be the same (City Planning, I think), whereas others will be different [16:43] yeah, don't look to me for forgien civ deals... [16:43] like AI tactics and such, am i right? [16:44] Hey, can someone help me out for a second... [16:45] What is something that Turkey is involved in that has nothing to do with Cyprus or the Kurds. [16:45] I need to bs something really quick but I am drawing a blank. [16:46] they have a fued over cyprus with greece, and also problem with the PKK, the kurd resistance [16:46] Limiting access to the Black Sea? [16:46] I said nothing to do with Cyprus or Kurds :) [16:46] Black Sea sounds good. [16:47] oh, i thought it was, something [16:47] sorry [16:47] well, no idea on that... [16:48] ok it is almost 7 pm here, what time is it GMT? (I want to get this straight) [16:48] 00:49 GMT I think [16:48] * E_T_1 (E_T@216-53-175-090.ppp.mpinet.net) has joined #civ3dem [16:48] * OPDaway is now known as OPD [16:48] greenwichmeantime.com [16:49] what the hell is OPD doing playing civ at 2 in the morning? (he is from the UK, right?) [16:49] lo ET ok don as you appear to be the only one play along this is a very inportant question [16:49] ask away.. [16:49] whats that? [16:49] how good are you at the game??? [16:49] I mean have youwon on deity?? [16:50] ET can you play along??? [16:50] No, but I'm succeding very vell in Monarch now. [16:50] I usual only play at regent (so I know I will win)... no never on Diety with out cheating [16:50] Are we doing turns? [16:51] hell I've never even tried diety for real... [16:51] are we dong turns??? that is a matter for you lot to decide [16:51] I for playing now [16:51] I've had a few drinks. 4 pints of strong larger to be precise [16:51] I'm in. I've got an hour to spare, but that's it. [16:52] I thought that we were going to be doing it with Aggie around 11PM EDT, but we can do then now [16:52] me too, about an hour and half, just see if things are moving along [16:52] I've won on deity after drinking more but thats only on a tiny map and didn't really involve following orders. [16:52] Ok, I also do well on Monarch, I Have not play on emporer.. [16:53] if you just give me time to check things out, I will do fine... [16:53] man [16:53] I sucked miserably at emperor, but managed to beat the AI quite easily on Monarch [16:53] i've won on regent oncee [16:53] I'm a player who likes to figure all of the angles. It takes me some time to complete a turn. [16:53] 12 quick poll acknowleding the above infomation should I carry out the turns??? 1=yes 2=no [16:53] played like 4 games in the past month on emporer and got my ass handed to me [16:53] 1 [16:53] 1 [16:53] 1 [16:53] 1 [16:53] 1 [16:54] 1 [16:54] ok then [16:54] err emperor? i mean 4 games on monarch [16:54] hmm [16:54] so is it just don and ET playing along???? [16:54] almost held tough with one game, then the persians decided to overrun me and sneak attack about 2 tunrs before i was going to do the same to them! :-/ [16:54] On that note, I need to leave. I should be back in 30 minutes or so. If the chat is still going in a couple hours I may be able to take over. [16:55] I came in for other reasons, but I'm here now. [16:55] is aggie going to get pissed? [16:56] * Apoc (wmoeller@AC9DAE99.ipt.aol.com) Quit (Quit) [16:56] aggie pissed? In the Uk that means drunk but if you mean anoyed then no but it wouldn't matter anyway [16:56] so is it just don and ET playing along???? [16:56] I is there any other changes to the last save, except for looking into Boston? [16:57] not that I know of.. [16:57] hey OPD, about the rush in a [16:57] rbla, it should be a cthedral [16:57] not a library [16:57] :b: [16:57] I have the game up, But I don't know bout running the turns (PII 450 can be slow some times). [16:58] ok then so it's just don [16:58] P4 1.4 Ghz....:0 [16:58] :) [16:58] Phtttt [16:58] Don that makes you very important. [16:58] crap... [16:59] first chat, and I'm going to matter? [16:59] E_T & Ada -- I've discussed this via PM with the Ministers involved, and I'm going to OK the purchase of workers from Greece this turn for 47g. [16:59] as long as it doesn't make him inpotant [16:59] Togas, sounds like a plan [16:59] can you read through the ministers orders thread. Just the general orders for each one then om me in irc when you have. [16:59] how many? [16:59] lol [16:59] good [16:59] 2 workers, right? [16:59] btw, I'll be in and out [16:59] yes [17:00] Togas, I want to buy White some workers back to replace the ones we keep using, so I'm happy with it :) [17:00] ok tog, ada, WB and ET are the orders in teh thread the ones that should be followed or is there anythin g else [17:00] sounds good [17:00] OPD -- Adding just one order for this turn --> the purchase of 2 workers from Greece [17:00] crap... rl emergency! be back in 20 minutes (or so) [17:00] That should be it, I'm just confused, are we sacrificing my extra worker in Arbela? [17:00] Will give the order during chat. [17:01] ok tog [17:01] yes, we will be sacrificng the 2 workers, and buying 2 for them, saving some 300lytons in the process [17:02] ok [17:02] OPD, I'm totally good, but Togas is here anyway, so it doesn't matter [17:02] orders are a go [17:02] have been to busy to fully f=read the forums in the last few days can anyone fill me in on anything that would seriously affect this set of orders [17:02] Um... [17:02] I think there are two polls that might change stuff in the near future [17:02] are we becoming repulic soon?? [17:02] Republic change would be after American war is over. [17:02] WB, according the the concensus in the Emer Cab Meet Thread, yeah. But look, we're buying you two more.... [17:02] From what I gather we aren't entering a GA [17:02] ok, we aren't? [17:03] I thought the poll was a lot for, but I dunno [17:03] Unless it happens by accident [17:03] I've fallen behind on the forums too, so I'm as confused as you are :) [17:03] I understand [17:03] I'm VERY dissapointed over the No GA poll results, but there's little that can be done about it [17:03] I just wasn't pleased that communication fell through over it [17:03] Togas - as am I [17:03] though OPD is a "lame duck" president at them moment, so he can do the GA now :) [17:03] i mean, what are they going to do, impeach him? [17:03] hehe [17:03] ;) [17:03] whats been deicided regareding arabela [17:04] Add citizens to size 6. Rush Cathedral. Get it into WLTK day [17:04] don't worker work faster during a GA? [17:04] Oh, and disband a few slaves to assist in rushing projects [17:04] E_T, I think nearly everything's faster during GA's, dunno about workers though [17:05] Disband the other worker defore rushing first [17:05] are those actions in the orders thread. [17:05] Yes [17:05] sorry if I am a bit behind but I thought agie would be taking this [17:05] ok lets begin [17:06] let's get this show on the road... [17:07] Let me get my feicies amagimated..... [17:07] zeit are you playing along??? your orders suck a bit [17:07] works river waht does that mead [17:07] no wait I see teh forset river [17:08] to use the new citizen to work on the river tile [17:08] is that okay now? [17:09] Chiquita??? [17:10] Won't rush now as rep will be a while [17:10] or shift the [17:10] oops, never meant to write that [17:10] 4 BFM rushes temple [17:11] wait have all your orders been redwag approved??? [17:11] i said, rush before Republic- as to say, when we go to REpublic, also, read my genral orders, you'll get a better picture [17:11] We only need to rush the temple in Boomtown if we are going to Republic. [17:12] 4 boom town can wiat [17:12] The change to Republic an the time of it have throuwn a lot of stuff aray [17:13] 4 AGC switches to temple [17:13] what is the deal with a switch to rep when will it happen?? [17:14] accoring to Aggie, wit will be after the War's over. [17:14] Seems to me that it will happen "Soon", but I don't think there's been any agreement on the exact time. Most people seem to agree that it should happen after the American conflict [17:14] But it really wasn't until today that someone had said when twe would be doing it. [17:15] so therby the confusion [17:15] i wasn't sure how the unhappiness issue works when the city grows, so if Boom town can wait one turn, then rush the temple, there is no problem [17:15] wehn a city grows into unhappiness it doesn [17:15] 't become unhappy that turn [17:16] Oh, I forgot, Boomtown is about to grow. Then it does need to Rush a Temple. [17:16] Also, if AGC, si about to grow, rush the temple to make sure it doesn't fall to disorder [17:16] Zeti must remind opd next turn [17:16] agc is fine [17:16] okay [17:16] ok arabela..... [17:16] when it would grow, that is, in 2 turns [17:17] 4 wkr joins [17:18] bhah unhappyness with one citizen [17:18] sorry... back [17:18] if anyone needs me, just call my name [17:18] im lurking in the background [17:18] give me a sec to get caught up... [17:18] Rush a cathedral, and it sown't be a problem, OPD [17:19] Disband the wrk first [17:19] don read through all the general min orders [17:19] ok will 5 happy faces and one entertainer give WLTK day????? [17:20] 4 wkr disbanded [17:20] 4 cath rushed [17:21] 4 labourerer in macros made scientist [17:23] anyone here [17:23] you're right OPD, AGC is doing fine with temple, i'm such a stupid for not seeing this... [17:23] i'm here [17:23] * Togas (~tom_ogas@209.78.90.10) Quit (*.net *.split) [17:24] ada do we declare war now??? [17:24] and E_T as well [17:24] ok back.... [17:24] Yes declare before we cross border... [17:25] are all wker orders done? [17:25] 4 thoe sold for 4 gold and WM [17:25] Sorry, haven't been watching [17:25] what's happening? [17:25] do we declare now against amercia, ada? [17:25] Togas quit through a *.net *.split -- could we wait for a sec and see if he comes back? [17:25] Does Aggie's orders suggest war now? [17:26] *Do? [17:26] We need to trade theology with them for WM & 4 Lytons [17:26] pulling up Togas' orders now, wasn't ready for this [17:26] yes war now [17:26] who did we sell theo to? I can't seem to find it in the orders [17:26] * roadcage (roadcage@dialup-209.245.201.51.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net) has joined #civ3dem [17:27] Aggie will be moving his forces into Boston teretory, so we do it now through the Alliance or between turns when Lincon wanst us off of his land. [17:27] Ok, so orders say war now? [17:27] I have them [17:27] I guess that's war now, then :) [17:27] 4 alliance with aztecs signed [17:27] do it before we cross the border... we will take rep hit otherwise... [17:27] 4 get 16 gold and WM for war [17:28] Did you trade theo w America first? [17:28] yea, he did, just saw it [17:28] in red above [17:28] I dinn't see it, too mmany window at onece, Sorry [17:28] * Togas (~tom_ogas@209-78-90-10.co.tulare.ca.us) has joined #civ3dem [17:28] back [17:28] loll, perfect timing [17:28] I din't see it, too amny windos at once [17:29] what did I miss? [17:29] War [17:29] War with America has just been declared, per your orders [17:29] nothing... game over... we won... [17:29] We make the useless trade? [17:29] Yes [17:29] Cool [17:29] Alliance w/ Aztecs? [17:29] Hey, 4 Lytons is mor than we had ealier [17:30] Damned Aztecs keep spending all their money [17:30] lie we aren't? [17:30] like that is [17:32] test? [17:32] hear you togas [17:32] test [17:32] here [17:32] here [17:33] just waiting for something [17:34] what is the next order? [17:34] He just did FM, so I think he's doeing PW or SMC moves [17:34] do PW first... [17:34] bhah the orders themselves are ok but the general orders and the if then orders are hard to follow [17:35] Before you finish up FAM orders, let's buy those Greek slaves :) [17:35] Done [17:36] the if then orders are probably my fault :-/ [17:36] i didn't have an exact time as to when the workers would be done [17:36] Shiber didn't get to make up his Prex freindly consolidation of orders [17:36] Excellent. My work here is finished. It's nearly time to retire to the FAM Secret Underground Bunker Somewhere Outside of Apolytonia [17:37] and i didn't have the time to make mine friendlier, sorry for that... [17:37] it's not that the specific orders ar hard to follow it's the ambiguos ones which I am uncomfortable with [17:37] Yes, no trade with France [17:38] We're cutting France off. No more liquor. They've had enough. [17:38] also, i don't think we'd have enough money for all the rushing, we need a cathedral or market in Where is it, and a temple in HIW, if we go to Republic [17:38] so your leaving the door open for further war? [17:39] Leave it cracked. Yes. [17:39] :b: [17:39] And dyes for their fine clothes [17:39] France/Wines are worthless anyway [17:39] They will have to wear colorless clothes. Just look at how they've misused our dyes. Their fashion is horrendous. [17:40]