Session Start: Sun Oct 06 14:38:47 2002 Session Ident: #civ3dem [14:38] * Logging #civ3dem to 'logs\#civ3dem.UnderNet.20021006.log' [14:38] OPD, if we do that colony, not really [14:38] WB agreed, so... [14:39] Aggie? id the big man here? [14:39] OPD, we gonna use the ministers room at all? [14:39] he said he's not [14:40] he said all the orders he posted are fine, I think [14:40] <> [14:40] nope I can help with pw orrders if you want [14:40] ok, we got logging power :) [14:40] Hey Epi [14:40] Ghengis you are teh PW dude. Just general orders nothing specific. [14:40] The moves will start in 5 mins [14:41] ok [14:41] i'm there and I'll be using it for general discussions that are specific to whatever Issue [14:41] afk [14:41] yea, I'm gonna use it for discussion unless it has an official purpose [14:41] Let's me get a Cigarette before we start [14:41] use "it"? [14:41] BRB, AFK [14:42] ada, *which* "it"? [14:42] Ministers room [14:42] I think [14:42] ah... [14:42] where is "it", anyways? [14:42] #civ3demministers [14:42] danke [14:42] it was originally for ministers, but we've been using it for out of the way discussions recently [14:42] doesn't really matter [14:43] we can always have a third room if we need one [14:43] Hey Epu have you quit the $minigame? [14:43] Epi [14:45] Arrghhh! it said "the word" [14:45] Arrghh! Now I said "the word"! [14:46] what? lol [14:47] ok lets begin [14:47] ada I'm not going to look at fm orders at all you must relay them [14:47] stupid mIRC... it automatically pulled up the "how to register" website over my poly chat (grrrr....) [14:47] 4 no cp orders [14:49] 4 galley s,s unload stlr then n [14:50] back [14:50] * GodKing has joined #civ3dem [14:50] HI [14:51] hey! [14:51] GK [14:51] I'm going to close out Poly Chat [14:52] I'm gonna have to go sooner or later -- if I do, E_T's in charge of FAM stuff [14:52] opd- you find my orders? [14:52] if he's running something else and can't/doesn't want to do both, then he can give the order giving job to someone else [14:52] I should be around for an hour or so though [14:52] GK "GurgerKing" [14:52] howdy GF [14:52] Apolyton –Work forest instead of fish. [14:52] – Chiquita – work irrigated road, not empty tile [14:52] – Napoleton – switch to worker [14:52] – City on a Hill – switch to temple [14:52] – Port of Malignance – switch to temple [14:52] – Boomtown – switch to temple [14:53] – Site E – switch to temple [14:53] sounds good to me [14:53] those are all in red [14:53] 4 cp orders done [14:53] yes gk there they are done [14:53] And I thought I was color blind fora second :) [14:53] ada how much are we selling wines for [14:54] as much as we can get [14:54] Cool Thanks. Internet is messed up for me today. I may not be around as I keep getting disconnected [14:54] I think it's around twenty gold, but I can't run the numbers, sorry [14:54] WM & 22 Lytons [14:55] 12 Trade wines to France for WM + 22 gold [14:55] * Shiber has joined #civ3dem [14:55] hi, i'm back [14:55] hey Shiber [14:55] whoa, nice turnup! [14:55] hey Shiber [14:56] hi everybody [14:56] Ok -- in two turns, we're gonna need a lot of peace renegotiations [14:56] I can't open up a copy of the game, but it'd be really nice if anyone who can could check out our best deals so OPD doesn't have to spend forever checking them all [14:56] i can lend a hand [14:56] wines traded [14:56] i'm sure et will also help [14:56] I will start, but on this machine I only have 1.29 [14:57] ok I'm here whats up [14:57] actually, I might have to go by then, depending on how long all this takes, but we'll see [14:57] yea, I'm not very worried, just thought I'd go ahead and give everyone a heads up now [14:57] The negotiation might come up as each Civ's turn comes up [14:57] same here, only v1.29... shiber, you got 1.21? [14:57] * ALLGUST has joined #civ3dem [14:58] i'm sorry to bother but how much did we get for the wines? [14:58] i just rejoined [14:58] 22 gold [14:58] plus WM [14:58] 22gpt+WM [14:58] nothing much, but no one else to give it to, so... [14:58] Could you post a save just before you go to the next turn before the Renegotiations, so I can try to follow and Advise [14:58] 3,01hello [14:58] gpt??? no just gp. [14:58] 3,01where ar u from ? [14:58] 3,01usa ? [14:58] 3,01!? [14:58] * roadcage has joined #civ3dem [14:58] really? [14:58] yea, Wines are useless right now [14:59] everyone but france's got em [14:59] France is LPT broke [14:59] 3,01u wonna get talk to me ? [14:59] was it gpt or cash? [14:59] Cash [14:59] ok [14:59] brb [14:59] 3,01arnelos ? [14:59] 3,01hello [14:59] 3,01talk to me, please [14:59] ALLGUST - we are playing a game of civ3 [15:00] I made a wrong move now I have to start over. [15:00] 3,01ok [15:00] 3,01sorry [15:00] 'k [15:00] back now :) [15:00] hey... who are you anyway? [15:01] hi aggie [15:01] hi all, still in 440? [15:01] yep [15:01] yep [15:01] just started [15:02] 12 have all oders bben clear [15:02] * ALLGUST has left #civ3dem [15:02] ok starting SMC orders [15:02] yes i used Lysol [15:02] * Zeit has joined #civ3dem [15:02] the Dread General [15:03] hi everyone [15:03] hi [15:03] hi [15:03] Arnelos: yes [15:03] 4 knight near Malignace onto other knight [15:03] thanks [15:03] something important happened? [15:03] any body here interested in the cp job next term? [15:03] not really [15:04] Mostly moves [15:04] i'm interested, GK [15:04] i think i lag horribly. which server is everyone using? [15:04] I'm on VA [15:04] i use the UK server [15:04] shiber - washington dc [15:04] McLean, VA... I had problems connecting (and it's less than 10 miles from me), but lag hasn't been a problem [15:05] 4 eastern knihgt force moves on arbela [15:05] someone ping me please [15:05] On towards the Spices [15:05] Zeit - I will not be able to do orders until next weekend. Would you be interested in doing them for this wednesday as a trial run? [15:05] * Shiber has joined #civ3dem [15:05] I knew he was tempting fate earlier [15:05] ahh, much faster now [15:06] 4 knight in susa moves nw [15:06] no, just lag between me and one of the undernet servers [15:06] i'll try, i'll PM you tommorow if i'm sure i would be able to, okay? [15:06] 4 knights fortified in tarsus [15:07] I'm on the McLean VA [15:07] 4 sword near tarsus to muncie [15:07] 4 sword on mountain moves west [15:07] Are we going to use a WC to get a GA soon? [15:07] UK? UberKrux has a server? [15:07] OK Zeit. My job just had some major changes over the past week - I will be working about 16 hours every day, but I should be able to log on at work and check PM's. Thanks. [15:08] et, during the assault on america [15:08] Ah, good [15:08] 4 knight 2w of contag into contag [15:09] just give me general guidance and i think i could manage [15:09] 4 wc in bhq moves to near gaia [15:09] Do we want to rename some cities this turn [15:10] 12 - no [15:10] 4 wc on uber into boom town [15:10] ok thats CP SMC IE and FM orders sone [15:10] *done [15:10] Zeit - use this chats posted orders for an example. All else will be up to you. Good on the job experience. [15:10] Anything being done about the Persain Archer north of Nepoliton? [15:11] what about the incense colony? [15:11] OPD -- A colony was approved by WB on that luxury, just in case you don't know [15:11] okay, thanks for the vote of confidence [15:12] are there 4knights on the way to arbela [15:12] WB said the colony was ok, IIRC [15:12] 12 are there 4knights on the way to arbela(EKF) [15:12] E_T... nothing is in Aggie's orders about that archer [15:12] (besides the archer will almost certainly lose if it attacks a fortified pike behind city walls across a river) [15:12] BIG PROBLEM - if the archer N of Napoliton pillages the road our trade with Germany will be interrupted and we'll take a REP HIT [15:12] no a 5/5pike+wall they'll never attack [15:13] 4 pw orders done [15:13] yes, WB did approve it, and it seemed like everyone agreed [15:13] 4 wkr has been moved near colony [15:13] turn ends in 5s [15:13] I don't agree, however it is not my department, and others have said they like it. [15:13] 'k [15:14] GK, I understand your objection, but by grabbing that now... [15:14] we can pay for the worker, and by doing the deal, probably the temple as well [15:14] Aggie... you got anything else about that archer? [15:14] Rome'll give us 6 GPT for it, so... [15:14] 12 hr want pillage because it would cut his own trade [15:14] Where was teh Catupult that was on the Road Between Nep & Geo go to? [15:15] Only thing the archer could do, is move onto roaded montain which is our German trade route and pillage it and [15:15] 4 turn over [15:15] I hope so, Aggie :) (if not, we'll learn something new about the AI, eh? :) ) [15:15] ohh, what's our standing trades with Germany? [15:15] * Ghengis has joined #civ3dem [15:15] archer attack EKF and looses 1hp damafe to us [15:16] Do we have any luxes going to them? [15:16] do we want to ababndon hole in wall [15:16] woohoo (archer) [15:16] would that count as a rep hit? [15:16] Peace, Dyes & Incense [15:16] I just LOVE the way it disconnects you but never tells you about it until you type a reply. [15:16] yes, part of VODKA [15:16] 13 LPT for the Luxes [15:16] Ghengis, what do you think about hole in the wall? [15:16] abandonded [15:16] ok, we really don't want to loose that trade line... [15:16] 12 opd - hole in the wall is to move one square south. [15:17] OMG is anyone playing along??? [15:17] do we know if the Persians have any deals going with Germany? [15:17] no... what happened? [15:17] oh oh [15:17] opd - no. what? [15:17] what happened? [15:17] what happemned [15:17] They are getting German Iron for Spices [15:17] the tension in the room just shot up pretty quick ;) [15:17] ok, then they hopefully won't cut it, thanks E_T [15:17] 12 what happeneed [15:17] it was sabandoned for a settler, right? [15:17] yea, i'm about to have a heart attack, sooo... [15:18] tension is rising....... [15:18] (now is the time for OPD to mysterious disconnect ;) ) [15:18] woo, what a relief [15:18] Zeit, you playing along? [15:18] no, but it seemed like the thing that happened did not, or am i wrong? [15:18] (Arnelos is tempted to play along so we find out :) ) [15:19] is anyone playing along [15:19] I've got the game up, but I'm only following any Trade aggreiments [15:19] nope [15:19] OPD, no, did something happen? [15:19] nope I can't right now, [15:19] nope [15:19] http://www.apolyton.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1348512&t=5685#post1348512 [15:19] we just lost a cultural victory didnt we! [15:19] wait a sec -- did OPD lag? [15:19] everyone look here now [15:19] that doesn't work as a link... [15:19] lol [15:19] where? [15:19] NICE [15:19] i'm getting wayy slow pings from him [15:19] CHARTES = CULTURE FLIP [15:19] Ohhh look at the fuzzy bunny! [15:20] looking... [15:20] ohhh, niceee [15:20] * Meshelic has joined #civ3dem [15:20] * Shiber has joined #civ3dem [15:20] http://www.apolyton.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1348512&t=5685#post1348512 [15:20] either I'm lagged or OPD [15:20] LOL LOL LOL [15:20] lag [15:20] lol, so... who is? [15:20] i can't did we just get chartes [15:20] hi. lag problems again [15:20] wow first time i've made it [15:20] opd, which server are you on? [15:20] me lagged do you see chartes [15:20] i d0 [15:20] that's great, what a nice suprise [15:21] yep [15:21] that's AWESOME :) [15:21] OPD, i'm trynna talk to you in poly room [15:21] umm... RAZE IT!! [15:21] teach the french a lesson [15:21] lol [15:21] lol [15:21] lol [15:21] chartes is ours [15:21] I think we should nove Chartres to the coast if we just got it [15:21] the tension is sure down now, :) [15:21] yea, I got scared for a sec [15:21] yup, zeit :) [15:21] well, we owned 3 of their city squares and we were culturally superior. it had to happen sooner or later :) [15:21] (yeah, truth be told, I figured a flip in hte OTHER DIRECTION) [15:22] i was thinking persepolis fliipped [15:22] yeah, something like that [15:22] Ubergorsk just flipped to Germany! [15:22] stop it [15:22] Nooooo [15:22] It just expanded, so It was not likely to cause a flip in the other direction [15:22] well, let this be the beggining of many cultural flips,(in our favor, of course), long live Apolytonia [15:22] Ghengis, you serious? [15:22] i was already thinking about a quick knight attack [15:22] lol, oh wait, nevermind [15:22] lol, I didn't mean that [15:23] ok posting save [15:23] * Shiber has joined #civ3dem [15:23] All our beautiful wonders........ [15:23] I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE UNDERNET [15:23] Its run by the Taliban [15:23] lol [15:23] kill 'em [15:23] 12 are there any units that are unforeseen [15:23] if you try to log on from Israel it'l kick you off [15:23] who's the administrator of that province, anyways???? (oh yeah...) [15:23] 12 if not just carry out orders [15:24] 12 Chartres - start construction on a temple. [15:24] what did the archer N of Napoliton do? [15:24] it attacked and died [15:24] pick his nose [15:24] i'm connected from israel, doesn't seem to be any problem [15:24] there should be a temple there already. it has culturally expanded and i doubt the french have built a library before a temple [15:24] Arnelos: cool, thanks [15:25] are you sure i saw an archer attack of ekf but cou;n't understand result [15:25] Where is the save? [15:25] i was afraid it'd pillage the road. then we'd lose the trade route with Germany and take a REP HIT [15:25] I'm on mclean VA [15:25] When it culture flips, it should loose all culture producing buildings. [15:25] sshiber temples are destoyed in flip [15:25] where is the SAV? [15:25] oh, right [15:25] do you loose wonders if a city flips? [15:25] i forgot that cultural buildings are destroyed [15:25] does a wonder city ever flip? [15:25] thanks [15:26] adaMada: no [15:26] wonders can only be destroyed if you raze the city they were built in [15:26] CAn everyone switch to MClean VA [15:26] * Meshelic has joined #civ3dem [15:26] Wonders just stop producing culture. [15:26] OPD, I don't think Mclean was working for me before, but I'll try [15:26] why? [15:26] (to opd) [15:26] already on McLean, VA - had trouble connecting, though [15:26] have you posted the save? [15:26] I had trouble connecting as well [15:26] I'll keep two chat windows open [15:26] uploading still [15:27] one in this server, one in mcclean [15:27] Undernet: US, VA, address: mclean.va.us.undernet.org. Type /server mclean.va.us.undernet.org to move to OPD's server [15:27] I think my computers playing up a bit [15:27] * Shiber is changing servers... [15:27] wait [15:27] Ah [15:27] it's not working [15:27] * Shiber has joined #civ3dem [15:27] mcclean won't work for me [15:28] Shiber, did it work for you? [15:28] * GodKing has joined #civ3dem [15:28] http://www.apolyton.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1348530&t=5951#post1348530 [15:28] net letting me sitch servers. [15:28] I'm on Arlington VA server [15:28] VA seems too laggy. Switching back to Stockholm... [15:28] opd... which thread is that? [15:28] the save [15:28] Arlington is like 3 miles from McLean... close enough :p :) [15:28] nevermind, it's been sorted out now [15:29] there must've been a network blackhole [15:29] Downloading save now [15:29] * adaMada24 has joined #civ3dem [15:29] I still don't see the save [15:29] It's there [15:29] ok, I'm on two servers now [15:29] both Canida, that seems to be what's working best [15:29] oh, no wonder... you posted in the "Now Playing" thread rather than the other one :) [15:30] :) [15:30] OPD's ping is now fine, and my ping between the two canida servers is fine [15:30] Does Chartres flip constitute a "significnt" event (requiring shutdown of chat) and iscussion? [15:30] montrial server is working very well. [15:30] don't think so [15:30] And loading [15:30] Montriel and Quebec is nice [15:30] roadcage: I think not [15:30] washington DC isn't too bad [15:30] *are [15:30] works for me [15:31] roadcage - no. It was semi expected at some point. Plus as CP I am here to provide any orders needed. [15:31] Save worked for me, Can we move Chartres sw 1 tile. We don't lose any tiles put it puts it on the coast [15:31] I think the poly chat might be messing with my computer [15:31] I agree with Ghengis [15:31] ok... could someone with the save open see how far that worker is from the lux source? [15:32] I agree with Ghengis as well [15:32] moving might be a bitch.... [15:32] what worker? What lux? [15:32] I'm loading the save now... will check once loaded [15:32] can some one else give a sort of summary in the poly room of whats going on [15:32] 'k [15:32] There is one worker right next to it [15:32] OPD, while I'm here, I can do so by request [15:32] * MrWIA has joined #civ3dem [15:32] is that cool? [15:32] just giving one if someone needs it? [15:32] opd - ok, but why? [15:33] hey MWIA [15:33] Hey [15:33] The Archer Moves east into the mountains, away from the road [15:33] GK - Propose for CHartres, switch to worker this turn, rush buy worker next turn. [15:33] MWIA chartes is ours [15:33] Then switch to settler 1 turn, rush buy to abandon the next turn [15:34] I don't see a worker anywhere near the lux I THINK we were talking about (???) [15:34] yes [15:34] Ghengis - let me load the save and take a look. [15:34] I saw :D :b [15:34] brb [15:34] 4 tass aquaduct [15:35] The Incense inbetween Bacta & Susa [15:35] I thought you had to be mod to change topic? [15:35] oh well, learn something new every day [15:35] i mean, op [15:35] lol [15:35] :) [15:35] :) Those two tiles I own in the $game that France stole last turn are mine again. :) [15:35] :( Gotta fly - I wish us success. [15:35] you crazy mini-gamers [15:35] there is a worker west of the incense [15:36] lol, sorry, I'll stop with the topic now [15:36] There is a Persian Slave just NE of Bacts that we can use for the colony [15:36] you wanna call up the french and tell their lousy worker to get his puny A$$ out of our territory? :) [15:36]