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* Set by Trip- on Thu Jul 18 22:05:06
<Epistax> hehe
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<Timeline23> lol
<Epistax> ok this is too much
<Epistax> timeline, show us the red :)
<Timeline23> only 6 so far
<Spiffor> Timeline : did you get to save before quitting ?
<Timeline23> I posted the 1050 save
<Timeline23> lights are flickering
<Timeline23> i dont think this will work lol
<Timeline23> the only thing we need to repeat is changing production in tassagrad to get back where we were
<Timeline23> lets try it, but if i get disconnected you will know why
<Spiffor> Time : ok
<Epistax> what's it going to?
<Timeline23> is sir ralph here?
<Timeline23> i really want to attack washington :p
<SirRalph> I'm here
<Timeline23> looks like ralph is afk
<Epistax> we all do
<Timeline23> ok good
<SirRalph> but i cant get the newest save
<Timeline23> ralph is here, spiffor too, we are in good shape
<SirRalph> again the same, somebody is caching it
<Timeline23> 7anyone opposed to continuing?
<Spiffor> Timeline :could you please DCC me your save ? I can't find it
<Timeline23> ok
<Spiffor> thx
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<Timeline23> np
<SirRalph> But you wont need me, so go ahead
<SirRalph> Settler/spearman goes straight east
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<SirRalph> somebody please take over the workers
<Gepap> Hey everyone
<Timeline23> ok ralph
<Timeline23> but you have no objection to us continuing?
<SirRalph> they should get out of danger, clear jungle somewhere near tassagrad
<Spiffor> thx Time
<Timeline23> welcome
<SirRalph> timeline: no, go ahead
<Timeline23> ok
<Gepap> is this the only room?
<SirRalph> spiff: raise the temple poprush question again
<Timeline23> yes, this is the only room
<Gepap> we should rush a temple in tass
<SirRalph> yes, I second that
<Timeline23> hmm, lemme look
<Gepap> no use for pop. need more culture and happyness
<Spiffor> hey, why is the warrior injured ?
<SirRalph> its a good opportunity
<SirRalph> 19 shields left
<Spiffor> SirRalph : ok
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<Timeline23> which one?
<Tassadar5> hello
<Spiffor> Chicago
<Gepap> hey tass
<Epistax> yo
<Timeline23> it shouldnt be....
<Tassadar5> whats going on...
<Timeline23> its not injured in my game
<Timeline23> full strength, regular skill
<Spiffor> Timeline : I think it was mixed on my computer with my save (I stupidly pushed the warrior east 
  rather than west, and a Yank attacked him)
<Timeline23> ok.well load up the new save
<Timeline23> its real easy to make mistakes, i hope i dont ever screw the official game up seriously lol
<Spiffor> Ah I got it : the name of your save had "_" in it
<Timeline23> oh
<Spiffor> OK, quickpoll :
<Gepap> So how many turns till the gates of washington, 3?
<Epistax> 3
<Gepap> hey epi3 to what?
<Timeline23> 7mini poll: do we build temple in tassagrad or spearman: 1 temple 2 spearman
<Epistax> I dunno it seemed ok
<Gepap> 1
<Spiffor> Apoc : actually, you should take this quicjpoll : we should do it again (rushing the temple)
<SirRalph> 1
<Epistax> uno
<Tassadar5> 1
<Timeline23> 1
<Timeline23> ok now..
<Apocalypse^> 1
<aggie> 1
<Spiffor> 1
<Timeline23> 7should we rush the temple or not? 1 rush 2 dont rush
<SirRalph> 1
<Gepap> 1
<Spiffor> 1
<Apocalypse^> 1
<Tassadar5> 1
<Timeline23> lol ok
<Timeline23> this turn?
<Timeline23> or next?
<SirRalph> yup
<Spiffor> immediately
<Gepap> this turn
<Epistax> will waiting a turn help?
<SirRalph> this
<Timeline23> lol
<Tassadar5> now
<Timeline23> which?
<SirRalph> Epi: no
<Timeline23> ok...
<Timeline23> alright...rushing now
<Spiffor> Don't forget writting in red
<Gepap> yeah, red
<Timeline23> 4Spearman in Tassagrad fortifies
<Spiffor> Did you rush the temple ?
<Gepap> Again, in 3 trns we are at the gates of Washington, right?
<Epistax> what's the year?
<Timeline23> 4temple in tassagrad hurried, 1 cit dies, 5 turns are saved
<Spiffor> Gepap : next turn we're t the gate. In 2 turns, we're in
<Timeline23> the year is 1050
<aggie> shouldn't the spearman go to banaan hq and the warrior there should go to tass, thus strengthening 
  our vulnerable city
<Gepap> Oh, I thought we declared war at the border
<Timeline23> we will be at gates next turn
<Timeline23> and attack in 2
<Timeline23> we did declare war
<Gepap> at the border, no while in their borders
<Timeline23> i can tell because abe is squinting at me
<aggie> gepap you might have an old save
<Spiffor> we declared war at their borders, and moved withiin just after
<Gepap> Ok, thats the holdup
<Spiffor> Gepap : I'll send you the official save
<Timeline23> 4 worker NW moves to south (going to BHQ to clear)
<SirRalph> Spiff: post it
<Gepap> thanks
<Spiffor> irRalph : Timeline told me he posted it
<SirRalph> its the same again with me
<Spiffor> 12Who wants the official save ?
<SirRalph> :(
<aggie> the one posted was 1100
<Tassadar5> I do!
<Epistax> worker nw of bhqdoes south...?
<Timeline23> 4all the workers NW of BHQ move south
<Epistax> er goes
<Timeline23> post what?
<Timeline23> didnt i?
<Epistax> how far?
<Timeline23> sigh maybe it didnt go through
<Timeline23> lemme post our current situation
<Epistax> 3?
<SirRalph> Timeline: It hangs at some proxy again. I keep getting the 1100bc save
<Spiffor> Where do the workers precisely go ?
<Epistax> they'll be in tassagrad
* Gepap wonders why Epi keeps writing 3
<Spiffor> SirRalph : I send you the save
<Timeline23> http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1139921&t=1390#post1139921
<Gepap> Do we think Abe has any offensive forces?
<Spiffor> Timeline : Where do the workers precisely go ?
<Epistax> not at the moment
<Timeline23> un sure
<Gepap> or just a tiny spaermen force?
<Spiffor> (sorry Epi, but I don't want any misunderstanding)
<Timeline23> The workers of BHQ moved south, headed for the tile north of Tassagrad
<Timeline23> to clear
<Gepap> hey, what about looking at abes cities? Waste of money?
<Spiffor> Gepap : we don't know anything exept for the 1 spearman in Washington
<Timeline23> yes
<Spiffor> Gepap : we can't do this while at war
<Timeline23> 4warrior north of BHQ fortifies on hill
<Spiffor> Time : thx
<Gepap> damn forgetting the rule!
<Epistax> I am confused...
<aggie> the tile n off tass is cleared
<Timeline23> 4spearman and settler escort move east, toward iron deposit
<Timeline23> 7shall our invading forces move north, adjacent to washington? 1 yes 2 no
<aggie> 1
<Gepap> 1
<Gepap> isn't thst the pla?
<Spiffor> 1
<SirRalph> 1 of course
<Tassadar5> 1
<Timeline23> k, just checing
<Spiffor> 2! :D
<Spiffor> j/k
<Apocalypse^> 1
<Timeline23> 4 our army moves north, they see the sprawling city of washington on the horizon
<Gepap> To immitate trip, if things go bad, when do we stop attacking? all archers dead, 4, 3?
<aggie> whenwe have no hope gepap
<Spiffor> That's good, they didn't poprush. They have at most 2 spearmen
<Timeline23> 4Chicago warrior moves SW
<Gepap> different people loose hope at different times
<Timeline23> spiffor, are you checking trades?
<Spiffor> Gepap : actually, we never discussed the matter.
<Spiffor> Tiemline rats, I forgot this
<Gepap> well, we can wait for each battle outcome
<Timeline23> I would say if our forces fall to half, and we have not destroyed 1 spearman, we should fall 
  back and run
<Timeline23> what spiffor?
<Epistax> i say we should pillage THEN run :)
<Timeline23> ok..
<Timeline23> nm
<aggie> gepap i say when #spears>#arhers
<Timeline23> i thought you said "timeline rants"
<Timeline23> l\lol
<SirRalph> Dont pillage
<Timeline23> 7turn is endable, waiting on spiffor
<Timeline23> no pillaging
<Timeline23> we will take it
<Timeline23> eventually
<SirRalph> Dont forget, Washington is OUR city
<Timeline23> lol
<Spiffor> No trade orders
<Gepap> also, what happens if outcome for those playing along diff. from timelines?
<Gepap> can anyone play alog at this point?
<Timeline23> lol
<Timeline23> we already discussed this :(
<Gepap> we did? sorry then
<Spiffor> Gepap : you can play along as you wish. But rememeber : only Timeline's results are official
<Gepap> End turn?
<Timeline23> 4ending 1050
<Spiffor> 7turn endable for me too
<aggie> it shouldn't vary since save keeps the random seed, but if it does only time is official
<Spiffor> shit
<Gepap> should we attack first or last
<Spiffor> Persian stack coming to Iron
<Spiffor> Gepap : last !
<Epistax> hmm
<Timeline23> 7 temple finished in Tassagrad, need build orders
<Gepap> well, its their UU
<Spiffor> Let the anguish last as much as possible
<Epistax> i still haven't been able to get a save
<Timeline23> persian settler and archer
<Timeline23> coming to take our iron
<SirRalph> argh. we are too far
<Timeline23> yep
<Timeline23> we are
<Spiffor> I say we move our warrior where they want to settle
<Timeline23> I have an idea....
<SirRalph> we can try it, but it wont help
<Spiffor> Hopefully, they'll settle far away enough for us to take the spot
<Gepap> that won't blck them for long
<Timeline23> if we move NE, we can block them for a while
<Timeline23> they will have to go around the mountains
<SirRalph> try it
<Timeline23> 4Iron warrior moves NE
<Spiffor> Apoc : building orders ?
<Gepap> for tass, why not another archer?
<Gepap> to keep army strenght up
* Epistax awaits battle reports.
<Timeline23> 4chicago warrior moves south
<Gepap> and for apolyton, why not a spearman or ship?
<Apocalypse^> Hmmm....
<Timeline23> 4worker in apolyton moves north
<Spiffor> Gepap : we need some defense in our precious capital
<Timeline23> In=Near
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<Spiffor> But I second the archer idea. I'd also like to note we need production orders in Termina
<Apocalypse^> 7 New tassagrad build orders.... 1 Spearman  2 Archer  3 Other (please state)
<Spiffor> 2
<Gepap> 2
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<Timeline23> 2
<Timeline23> HI AGGIE :D
<Tassadar5> 4 (Abstain)
<Spiffor> Timeline : worker in Apolyton ???
<SirRalph> 2 or 3(galley)
<aggie> hi there i had crash anything happen
<Apocalypse^> 12 Build Archer in Tassagrad
<aggie> 1
<Timeline23> question
<Timeline23> should we move one spearman from tassagrad to BHQ to prevent from going into disorder in 3 
  turns?
<Timeline23> 1 yes 2 no
<Spiffor> 1
<Gepap> 1, and closer to warfront
<Tassadar5> 1
<Timeline23> exactly
<SirRalph> 1, and then move the poly spearman next turn to tassagrad
<Apocalypse^> 1
<Timeline23> 4spearman in Tassagrad moves to BHQ
<Timeline23> 4production in Tassagrad changed to archer
<Timeline23> production for termina?
<Timeline23> it just build an archer
<Spiffor> <Timeline23> "worker in apolyton moves north" what does that mean ?
<Gepap> does termina ave a tmple/
<Timeline23> it meant: worker NEAR poly moves north
<Timeline23> the one North North West
<Gepap> I meant, does the city have a temple?
<Timeline23> sorry, i corrected it afterward
<Timeline23> Poly and Tassagrad have temples
<Timeline23> not termina
<Gepap> why not start one in Termina?
<Gepap> Perhaps we on't have to rush this one
<Timeline23> 7what shall we build in Termina? 1 temple, 2a archer, 2a spearman?
<Timeline23> (hope thats not to confusing
<Gepap> 1
<Timeline23> 2b
<Timeline23> 2b = spearman
<Spiffor> 2a
<Apocalypse^> 2a
<Timeline23> going once going twice
<Tassadar5> 2b
<SirRalph> 2b
<Timeline23> oo and tass ties it up
<Timeline23> ok spearman it is
<Tassadar5> :)
<Timeline23> send archer to BHQ?
<Gepap> 1,yes...
<Spiffor> I'd say directly in America rather
<SirRalph> I'd send it on the mountain
<SirRalph> and let the warrior return then
<Spiffor> Since we won't have more reinforcements, no need to wait
<Timeline23> 1 = send archer to BHQ  2 = stay and defend
<Timeline23> dont matter ralph :p
<Timeline23> same direction
<aggie> 2
<SirRalph> defend from what?
<Gepap> 1, move towards the action
<Spiffor> 1
<Timeline23> JUST VOTE ! THEN ;p
<Timeline23> 1
<SirRalph> if abe attachs, he attacks BHQ
<Apocalypse^> 1
<aggie> 1
<Timeline23> i mean
<SirRalph> 1
<Epistax> dun, da da dun, da da dun dun dun da da dun!
<Tassadar5> 1
* Gepap thinks Epistax cracked!
<Timeline23> 4archer in Termina sets auto move to BHQ
<Gepap> Spiff: any trades before the great assaut?
<Timeline23> 4workers SW of BHQ move South, South west
<Timeline23> to the north west square of tassagrad
<Spiffor> Timeline : you said something very obscure some time ago : "worker in apolyton moves north" What 
  does it mean ?
<Timeline23> 4spearman and settler move east, they will be in a spot to settler in 4 turns (assuming sir 
  ralph picks the spot)
<Timeline23> i already answered you spiff
<Timeline23> i said i meant NEAR apolyton
<Timeline23> it was N,NW of poly
<Spiffor> Time : ah ok
<aggie> warrior near iron shoulkd move to make persians take a lionget route
<aggie> i mean longer
<Spiffor> aggie : already done
<SirRalph> Timeline: If there's a choice, I would settle S of the iron. if not, just grab it where it fits
<aggie> ok sorry i missed it
<Timeline23> ok
<Timeline23> Now, the battle
<Gepap> YEAH!
<Timeline23> :)
<Spiffor> SirRalph : I think we should rush for this Iron, going S of it will make the trip much longer
<Epistax> *playing the banana song
<aggie> lets rock
<Gepap> Lets say the praye to Bananicu
<Epistax> DAAAY-oo
<Timeline23> Lets open up with one vet archer shall we?
<Spiffor> (2 turns longer to be precise)
<SirRalph> Spiff: as I said, if there's a choice
<Spiffor> Sir : ok
<SirRalph> that depends on persia
<Timeline23> lol @ epi
<Gepap> I meant Bananicus, th Great Yellow one.
<SirRalph> 1 turn linger
<Timeline23> 7 atacking now
<SirRalph> longer
<Gepap> ohhhh.....
<Epistax> me say daaayoooooo
<Gepap> do we get a blow by blow?
<Epistax> daylight come and we wan' go home
<aggie> it started good but thats why we have 6
<Spiffor> SirRalph : not if we settle the jungle W of Iron
<Timeline23> 4 first vet archer is killed after damaging the spearman half way. Another spearman takes the 
  place to defend washington
<Spiffor> YAY ! A blow by blow !
<SirRalph> yes, right, but that is a terrible spot
<Timeline23> 4they have at least 2 defenders
<Gepap> damn!
<Spiffor> SirRalph : that's right
<Timeline23> 75 archers left, keep going 1 yes 2 no
<Timeline23> 5 archers left
<Epistax> Work all night on a drink arum
<SirRalph> 1
<Timeline23> 1
<Spiffor> 1
<aggie> i finished mine but i'll wait till the official mention
<Gepap> 1
<Epistax> Come, Mr. Tally Mon, tally me banana
<SirRalph> and stop polling after every archer
<SirRalph> take this darn city
* Gepap thinks Epi is really gone ....
<Epistax> Its six foot, seven foot, eight foot, BUNCH!
<Tassadar5> Gracious is thy banana to humanity....
<Timeline23> 4SECOND ARCHER ATTACKS AND KILLS AMERICAN SPEARMAN!!!!!
<Tassadar5> :D
<SirRalph> hehe
<Epistax> w000000t
<aggie> yes!!!!!
<Epistax> w0000000000000000t
<Spiffor> YEEAHAH
<Epistax> w000000000000000000000000000000000000t
<Spiffor> No need for a quickpoll ! next !
<Timeline23> 4remaining defender is half damaged
<SirRalph> third shall take the city
<Epistax> A beautiful bunch aripe banana
<Epistax> Hide thee deadly black tarantula
* Tassadar5 test
<Gepap> TAKE THE CITY
<Spiffor> Go Apolytonia !
<Timeline23> 4 THIRD DEFENDER TAKES WASHINGTON!!!!!!! THE CITY IS OURS!!!
<Timeline23> I mean attacker
<SirRalph> w00t
<Timeline23> WHOOOO HOOOOOOOO
* Tassadar5 begins playing the Soviet anthem!
<Gepap> AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!
<Spiffor> We're triumphing !
<Epistax> Day, he say day, he say day, he say day, he say day, he say day-ay-ay-o
<Timeline23> Intalling new governer
<Epistax> that's a word?
<Epistax> heheh
<Spiffor> Rename the city
<SirRalph> move a spearman in as defender and lets go forth
<Gepap> WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK BANANICUS'S SON FOR THIS TRIUMPH....
<Spiffor> Ninot is the next on the list : rename the city DelMonte
<Epistax> rename it.. Banana DC
<Timeline23> 4 washington, pop1, resisting
<Timeline23> posting save
<aggie> alright :)
<Tassadar5> :) The Great Banana wishes for us to win!
<SirRalph> no, what about notyoueither, as first author of case Pink
<Gepap> He chose delMonte?
<Spiffor> I suggest we christen the river "Scarlet river" to reflect the colour of American blood
<Timeline23> http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1139921&t=3256#post1139921
<Timeline23> save posted
<Gepap> Ninotia?
<Spiffor> SirRalph : I'm just taking the list from the old settled thing.
<SirRalph> I know, but he'd deserve it
<SirRalph> whatever
<Timeline23> is it your turn to name spiffor?
<SirRalph> names dont matter
<Spiffor> http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53681
<Timeline23> spiffor
<Spiffor> Timeline : no, it's Ninot's
<Timeline23> is it your turn to name?
<Timeline23> ok
<Timeline23> we will wait then
<Timeline23> :)
<Gepap> he said DelMonte above
<SirRalph> remaining forces can reach NYC in 1 turn
<Timeline23> troops movements.......
<Spiffor> I say we end turn now
<Timeline23> 7 what should we leave behind: 1 the damaged archer 2: a spearman 3: the damaged archer and a 
  spearman?
<Gepap> we have 3 archers, 1 spear to move
<Spiffor> Uber will tell what he wants to do. We've done what matter : invade DC
<SirRalph> Spiff: lets move troops first
<Timeline23> 3
<Spiffor> SirRalph : do we know what Uber'snext target is ?
<SirRalph> Spiff: uber ordered to attack NY next
<SirRalph> yes
<Spiffor> oh ok
<Gepap> 1, americans seem to have no army
<Spiffor> 2
<Tassadar5> 1
<Spiffor> NYE pointed out they might have many wandering warriors
<SirRalph> 3
<Timeline23> i think since there was only 1 spearman in DC, they must have alot of forces elswhere
<Apocalypse^> 1
<SirRalph> a spearman of course
<Timeline23> 1 and 3 are tied
<Gepap> well, then choose mr VP
<Spiffor> Time : whange my vote to 3
<Timeline23> good
<Apocalypse^> Still tied 3:3
<Gepap> Well, itd up to time anyway
<SirRalph> who defends with archers
<Gepap> thats why he gets the big bucks
<Timeline23> alright....
<SirRalph> Timeline: they have no big forces. We caught them with their pants down
<Timeline23> i say we leave one spear and the damaged archer there to heal
<SirRalph> seconded
<Gepap> thats done
<Timeline23> for 1 - 2 turns
<Spiffor> I second that
<Timeline23> othen send him to catch up with army
<Gepap> waht about our remaining army
<aggie> boston i beieve
<Timeline23> alright
<Spiffor> Gepap : NY
<Gepap> then on to NY!
<Timeline23> remaining army waits one turn (to wait for good archer, then moves to NY)
<Spiffor> Gepap : calm down. NY will be for next turnchat
<SirRalph> NY will be razed :(
<aggie> i say we move n and take boston
* Gepap awaits Apolytons bravests out side his window!
<Timeline23> 4 1 Spearman moves NW into DC, he fortifies
<Gepap> why wait till next chat? 
<Spiffor> I say we stop here and poll about this in the forum. This is an important question
<Timeline23> ok spiffor
<Timeline23> you have a point
<Gepap> But we have aplan made. 
<Timeline23> just hang on one sec
<Gepap> I say go and take NY
<Spiffor> We can't allow 9 people to decide for everybody
<aggie> i agree, we have done very very good so now we must pla
<SirRalph> Gepap: it will be razed
<aggie> i mena plan, but ny would be autorazed
<SirRalph> we can raze it, if we had a settler to replace it
<Timeline23> 4 This turnchat is now officicially over (thanks all)
<Gepap> Whats to choose, NY or boston?
<Timeline23> 4 VICTORY TO APOLYTONIA!!!!!!!!!~~
<aggie> good we need to plan this was more sucessful than i dreamed
<Epistax> 7w00t
<Epistax> 8behold the color of the banana
<Timeline23> Chinese anthem blares in Tassagrad
<SirRalph> aggie: that was a medium archer rush.
<Timeline23> (put it in the paper tass lol)
<SirRalph> they are awesome
<Timeline23> TIMELINE DANCES IN THE STREETS
<Tassadar5> lol
<Gepap> Well, whats left to plan?
<Timeline23> posting save....
<Epistax> timeline gets hit by chariot!
<Timeline23> duh
<aggie> i expect at least 2 loses, it was truly great
<Timeline23> THIS WAS AWSOME
<Epistax> trip is gonna pee
<Spiffor> EXCELLENT
<Tassadar5> this was great
<Epistax> well we saw before hand that their defender was regular
<Epistax> we're vets
<Timeline23> I have a way with fighting battles :D :D :D *timelines head swells*
* Gepap awaits the great Obelisk to Ninot's victory
<Epistax> speaking of ninot....
<Epistax> DONDE?
<Spiffor> He couldn't come today, he said
* Timeline23 NO, Not Ninot, APOLYTONIA!!!!! VICTORY TO APOLYTONIA!!!!!!!!~~~
<Epistax> oky doky
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<Gepap> Hey, every Phaoroe gets their due!
<Timeline23> good thing we didnt fight across the river
<Timeline23> :o
<Gepap> We are still a despotic empire...
<Spiffor> Timeline : you MUST post the save as soon as possible :)
<Tassadar5> Sorry, but Timeline did this....I cannot tribute Ninot for something he did not 
  do.....Speaking of which Timeline, next week would you like to do "Day as a Minister"?
<Timeline23> it is up
<Timeline23> http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1139921&t=3478#post1139921
* Gepap thinks tass plans a plot
<Timeline23> YES! :D
<Timeline23> Of course
<Timeline23> :)
<Gepap> well, got to go, bye
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<Timeline23> Bye all.....
<Timeline23> :D
<Tassadar5> waot
<Spiffor> I loved this chat. It was smooth and positive. I'm happy I didn't disconnect (I was about to 
  disconnect just before you came back)
<Spiffor> Timeline : btw, I'm sure I can teach you how to capture the log
<Timeline23> :D
<Timeline23> yes it went great :D :D
<Timeline23> I am so happy, we got DC :D
<Timeline23> ok....
<Apocalypse^> Anyone see anything wrong with this? http://us.imdb.com/Title?0290675
<SirRalph> we shall get more next time
<SirRalph> bye for today
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<Tassadar5> someone save this....
<Timeline23> does anyone have this saved? this is historic
<Spiffor> Timeline : I'll teach you
End of #Civ3dem buffer    Sat Jul 27 02:07:11 2002
