Session Start (phoenix.ga.us.dal.net:#Apolyton): Fri Apr 19 13:59:58 2002
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*** Users on #apolyton: ixnay37 Wervdon ger-Larzon SpencerH jinif KithrupFugitive Guest03142 GER-Kai patlasch Seeker @ACS_MarkG Mizaq Spain_in_civ3 ydiiby randommushrroms GER-Feanor GHOB SirPleb GER-Hendrik_the_Great notyoueither Osweld Spiffor Hagbart chiefpaco Daaraa gkg SirRalph Patriqvium xwho DarkeSoul Gramphos Acooper UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer GER-Lufia APerfectGimp NIR-redstar1 GER-Jennifer Tusk Eli_the_Great visu SWE-Appendix 
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<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> Neitche said.
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<Spiffor> GHOB : the worshipped designer of Civ1
<notyoueither> Hi ixnay
<SirRalph> or nietzsche
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> hey it's kyller!
<GHOB> oh that fella
<ixnay37> hello 
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> yea i cant spell.
<GHOB> the one that no longer likes civ eh?
<ACS_MarkG> ok people, since we're quite a crowd, i'll try going in moderated with groups of 4-5 people
<GHOB> he likes golf i hear
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> Kyller and Vgriph...
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> :-P
<ACS_MarkG> we'll being as soon as the celebrities start showing up.... :D
<Hagbart> what??
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> alright.
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<notyoueither> Rodent droppings
<Spiffor> ACS_MarkG : I don't understand
<Acooper> What groups?
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> what he's going to do
<xwho> why cant we all behave civilized?
<Hagbart> what if they dump us
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> is make the room moderated
<Mizaq> didn't you read the transcript from the last chat?
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> he makes it so only certain people can talk
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> but all can listen
<notyoueither> Rats. Dissapointment. :(
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<SpencerH> How many are aware that you cant add units to 1.21?
<Spiffor> OK
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> and he'll switch it around.
<Hagbart> remember the minimap!!!!
<GER-Jennifer> me :)
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> :-D
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<GHOB> yes the minimap
<Mizaq> everyone should be aware, it doesn't say anything in the readme about it
<Acooper> JEFF!
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<Wittlich> Hello again all - Just one of me this time ;)
<Hagbart> hes here
<GHOB> excellent
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<SirRalph> While we're waiting for the Firaxians: Markos, what did happen to the Apolyton-tournaments?
<patlasch> This is about to get interesting, hagbart and uberkrux
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Hey guys
<notyoueither> Hi Jeff
<Gramphos> Hi
<GHOB> hello there jeff
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<SirRalph> hello
<Acooper> howdy jeff
<Hetairoi22> Hi
<Mizaq> hihi
<Seeker> hello
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Some other Firaxians are on their way
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<Emmet> this is cool
<Tusk> hello Jeff
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> Sid?
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> :)
<Seeker> Lets moderate this
<Hetairoi22> Dan?
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS: it'd be nice if you got sid :)
<Mizaq> is joe coming?
<GHOB> sid in a civ chat room? dear gosh no
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> lol
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<Hagbart> joe??
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<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> one day i'm going to shake his hand.
<Mizaq> joe mama!
<Emmet> he'd never survive
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<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> one day.
<Gramphos> Why is ther no cancel button in the Goto City dialog?
<Gramphos> there
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<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> shhhh
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> let everyone get settled.
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Sorry...trying to get my car out of the shop....ready to chat now
* Hagbart looks around: Are we ready?
<Hetairoi22> k
* Spiffor has a question for Jeff
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> we're waitign on a few more, then markos has to moderate.
<Osweld> get your car out of the shop? is that a euphanism?
<patlasch> nice to know you're so had at work jeff
<Seeker> I'd like to know if  the patch is compatible with Marla's and other mods
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> That's a mike b question...
<Mizaq> what is going to be talked about today? or should i just read the transcript?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> That map is pretty much a mod so who knows
<Spiffor> Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS : Well, the ones who work on the patches are programmers and QA. My question is : what are the artists doing during this time ? Are they preparing new graphics & sounds for an XP ?
<Hagbart> It's a very nice patch
<UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer> whats a Jeff M question?
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<Acooper> My mod keeps craching :(
<notyoueither> So what's next Jeff? Patches? XP?
<GHOB> jeff how many max hit points can a unit or army have in their health bar?
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<ACS_MarkG> time out :)
<ACS_MarkG> Ladies and Gentleman welcome to one more Apolyton Chat
<ACS_MarkG> tonight's topic is the new civ3 patch along with everything else civ3 related of course :)
<ACS_MarkG> with us is Jeff Morris and hopefully more Firaxians are on their way....
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<ACS_MarkG> a note from DanQ: he cant be here with us today due to university exmas tomorrow morning.... 
<ACS_MarkG> Jeff?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Yar?
<ACS_MarkG> say hello to the crowd :)
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Hey guys! Glad you could all make it!
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<ACS_MarkG> we'll try it this time in moderation with groups of 5 geting voices to ask their questions 
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Sounds good
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Dan and Mike B are on the way
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<ACS_MarkG> dont ask all together, and try to be.... gentle :D
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Who's first
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> ?
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<ACS_MarkG> those with mirc can join the the open channel  #apolytonpublic
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<ACS_MarkG> we'll go alphabetically
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<ACS_MarkG> people who see a + next to their name can speak :)
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<ACS_MarkG> letme do the first question and get off with it
<ACS_MarkG> Jeff any word on MP :D
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Nope....
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> I've lots of opinions but nothing to say
<ACS_MarkG> cool :D
<chiefpaco> what was the reasoning behind the compressed file save format?
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<ACS_MarkG> i kindly ask mr Magaha to use his own name :D
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Hit Mike B with that...Mike
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<Sombero> okay, okay =(
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Mike'll get that one
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<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> Saved games were compressed because they were too large; they took up too much space.
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<Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS> Nice to see you're still a master of subtlety, Uber.
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> HAW
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Any others?
<ACS_MarkG> Mike what kind of compression do you use?
<Daaraa> I use the LWC mod and there are a lot of added units.  Why is that option not available any more?
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<ACS_MarkG> Gramphos etc will need to update their utilities
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<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> Adding units was never supposed to be available. It was possible through the use of hacks and such. We are not quite ready to support it through the editor.
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<chiefpaco> yeah, it sort of seems that as many options were added in the editor, some were taken away in the editor & with utilities
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<Daaraa> I'm not too sure some of the modders really cared if it was supported or not.
<ACS_MarkG> Jeff (continue the silly questions) do we have an announceable plan on what we can expect to see more from civ3 (from patches to expansion packs)
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> You know the answer...as we're seeing with MOO3 there are a lot of dangers associated with being completely candid about software developm,enmt
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> We're into talking about what we know we can deliver on
<Daaraa> Otherwise I really like the game and I feel you guys have done a good job.
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<EeUberKRuX> ahhh
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Another thing
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<UberKruX> first off, i'd like to ask about the minimap in the editor (people are ranting in the pub)
<chiefpaco> I really like the changes in this one, seems to be more of an effort to make things customizable, rather than imposed tweaks
<UberKruX> any plans for one?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> We're just the developer. Civ is a francise worth millions to many corparations across the world. The development of new features for it is a big deal
<Acooper> Can you explain the AI to AI tech rate feature?
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> We need to look out for the viability of the property as well as the desires of the hardcore and casual fans
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> As I understand it, soren toned it down
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> They do it sometimes, but not everytime...I could be mistaken...Barry has a good grip on it...better than me
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<Acooper> It says there is a way to change it, I'm not sure how
<Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS> The editor help file explains how the rate works as well
<Aeson> Is there any plan to address Scout resource denial (or is it an undocumented feature of 1.21f)?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Awesome
<Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS> Coop, it's on the difficulty levels page
<Acooper> Ok Dan.
* UberKruX repeats: first off, i'd like to ask about the minimap in the editor (people are ranting in the pub). any plans for one?
<Acooper> thanks
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> It's kind of an exploit
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Everytime we swat one of those down, it tends to introduce problems...Unless it's major it most likely will be left as is...sort of like an AI exploit...don't do it if you think 
* UberKruX wonders how many firaxians have ignored me already
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> it's unbalancing...Uber...wait your turn
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> nm
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> No details yet on minimap
<ACS_MarkG> hi Soren!
<SorenJohnson> hello
<SorenJohnson> having some technical difficulties, so I will be dropping in and out...
<Acooper> Is there anything we HAVE to do to make our old mods work in with the new patch?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> As I've said before...not being able to talk about a feature and not know what you're talking about are radically different things
<UberKruX> from the pub: [16:18] <xwho> i wanna know from the firaxis ppl why they think a game is worth 50 euros without mp?
<Acooper> Mine keeps crashing
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<UberKruX> and i shall wait my turn for that answer.
<Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS> uber, that sounds like a philosophical question about the merits of capitalism and free market economy to me
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<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> Acooper, you shouldn't have to do anything to your existing mod to make it work...
<UberKruX> Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS: it's also an ethical question of luring sales with promises of a multiplayer system out of box.
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Next question?
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<Acooper> Hmm...  It crashes early in the game.
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<Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS> heads up, it's about to rain over here in Hunt Valley, so we may lose power and net at any time...
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> roger
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<ACS_MarkG> see? it happens even in firaxis ;)
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<UberKruX> Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS: that would be an awful conincidence wouldnt it
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<ACS_MarkG> for newcomers: the chat is moderated. those with mirc can join the the open channel  #apolytonpublic
<UberKruX> :)
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<ACS_MarkG> Jeff, any sales numbers?
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> None we can talk about...but they're insane...
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<Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS> there's that free market economy theme again.
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<GER-Jennifer> Did Infogrames force you to "fix the bug" that units can be added in the editor? 
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Wow...
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> No...it was caught in a general bug fix sweep
<ACS_MarkG> well, you havent surpassed the 1 mil copies, have you?
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> GER-Jennifer: No. It's just not ready for the editor yet.
<GER-Jennifer> is "wow" the answer? ;)
<GER-Hendrik_the_Great> what do you know about the reason for delaying any patches to version 1.19?
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> no...no comment on sales...
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<Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS> Hendrik, come again?
<ACS_MarkG> well i'm sure it's going better than smac ;)
<GER-Jennifer> why is it "not ready" it didn't crash the game, did it?
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<GER-Hendrik_the_Great> i read today that for the german version there won't be any patches 
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> The public testers were instrumental in the clean launch of v1.21f...and instrumental in failing v1.18-v1.20
<GER-Hendrik_the_Great> ...until patch version 1.1.9
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<GER-Hendrik_the_Great> can you tell us why?
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<Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS> Sounds like an Infogrames Germany thing???
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> We're working with them but it's kind of resource availability reason..they're working on NEverwinter Nights which is a massive text game
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<ACS_MarkG> <Kilroy> what about an unsupported editor with more features?
<GER-Hendrik_the_Great> yes
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Those versions were failed because of bugs...new ones introduced post 1.17f and many fix fails
<GER-Hendrik_the_Great> I understand..
<Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS> Maybe now would be a good time for a quick explanation of how the version numbering process goes during patches Jeff...
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> GER_Jennifer: There are a number of hard-coded limits to art files that aren't readily apparent and they need to be removed.
<ACS_MarkG> yeah and what's with the f thing? :D
<Gappe> what about diplomacy? I loved the fact that allies in starships unlimited could "recommend you to stop a war"
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> a=alpha b=beta f=final
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Each patch is assigned a version number and submitted to test. If and when they get 'failed' then enxt version is built with a higher number. This is so fixes marked in the DB can be assigned to specific versions. F stands for final which means it's a version that could possibly be released
<GER-Jennifer> Can't you remove the art-limits without "fixing the bug"?
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<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> GER-Jennifer: we cannot officially support it as long as the limits are there.
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<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> Thus it can't be available in the editor.
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<SorenJohnson> any feedback on the game playing differently?
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<GHOB> jeff, how many maximum health points a unit and an army can have in their health bar considering the new bonous health points in the new patch?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> I'
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> I've seen huge ones, like 20+. They read better than you'd think but it gets ugly.
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<GHOB> so if i put a tank with 20 HP bonus points and put four of them in an army
<GHOB> would the game still show those in the health bar?
<GHOB> and count them?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> It'll display them all...
<ACS_MarkG> for newcomers: the chat is moderated. those with mirc can join the the open channel  #apolytonpublic
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> good or ill
<Ger-LEN> can anybody read my messages?
<GHOB> excellent :)
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> yep
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> y
<Ger-LEN> k
<Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS> your mike is hot!
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<Ger-LEN> what about the ki diplomacy - anyplan making it better?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> ki?
<Gramphos> Who's in charge of Civilopedia links? ;)
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> me
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> got some bugs for me?
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<GHOB> this question or suggestion was made before, is there a way to make an option available for mediating a peace deal
<GHOB> b/w two waring civs?
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<Ger-LEN> computer diplo isnt an good substitution for mp
<SorenJohnson> most of the game features (such as diplomacy) are not going to undergo major revision because we don't want to introduce bugs/exploits into the game at this late point...
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> True
<GER-Hendrik_the_Great> I read that the german version mods/scenarios and english ones are not compatibel, why is this?
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<Gramphos> There is an offset error of the links due to Resources being linked to as MENU_GoodsMENU_Game_Concepts
<ACS_MarkG> REQUEST: do NOT send private messages to Firaxians. it's a disturbance and they will not be answered. thank you
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Wierd...email me the details...jmorris@firaxis.com
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<Ger-LEN> so no better features for any parts of the game :(  ?
<GHOB> once again a question asked before  regarding the minimap :) i used to create scenarios for age of empires
<SorenJohnson> at this point, most the new features (such as bomabrd-kill) will appear via the editor...
<GHOB> and the lag of mini map in civ3 is very hard
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Well, we're not redoing culture for instance, but tweaks etc are possible
<GHOB> will a fix be available in the next patch?
<gkg> how about being able to go to city when it's in a disorder?
<Gramphos> It isn't mush more then that, all after are one less Game Concepts=MENU_INDEX and so on, Resource Index can't be linked to.
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Fix for what?
<SorenJohnson> tweaks will always be possible...
<GHOB> minimap in the editor ;)
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> ...no comment
<GHOB> hehe
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<Gramphos> Can you add a cancel button in the goto city dialog for the next patch?
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Sure...I'll add it to the list right now.
<ACS_MarkG> i'm leaving gramphos since he's a staff member and all :)
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Gramphos is good...
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Wish he wasn't outside the US...we could use him on the Beta team...
<ACS_MarkG> Jeff, can you explain us the development model(i think you did in a previous chat but it's good to repeat). who payed your salaries before the release, who does now?
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<Gramphos> I'm both outside US and under the age.
<Godking> Gramphos, was that a promotion?
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> We get advances from publishers for specific products, which pay for all development. Upon ship we pay back those advances with royalties before we get a cut ourselves. The development we're doing now is funded by unannounced projects
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<ACS_MarkG> Welcome Javier!
<ACS_MarkG> is Dan coming back?
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> He's got plans
<Javier_Sobrado_FIRAXIS> thanks ;-)
<Godking> What, if you are able to say, are the future projects you have planned for Civ 3 (ie expansion packs)?
<ACS_MarkG> so unless you plan an expansion you're paying for the patches yourself? :)
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Regretably nothing
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> We need to be funded to do development on civ...simple as that
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<SorenJohnson> to a certain extent, patches fund themselves in future sales...
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> And there's always gold editions
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> You'd be amazed how many bonuses have been fueled by the Civil War Collection
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<ACS_MarkG> do you also get $ for those 5$ versions of smac (no box, a manual and a cd)?
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> The percentage goes up, but the amount goes down...after a certain price point, no
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<Hagbart> Soren: Will we get a minimap in the Editor?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> No comment
<ixnay37> what is the point of the "current civ" thing in the editor as of now?  I can see how in future upgrades it will be useful for placing units, cities, and whatnot, but I can't seem to find anything to use it for now except to place barbarian tribes with different names, since placing starting locations with current civ didn't seem to affect anything. 
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Beer?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Sorry...mike b?
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<Hagbart> What about an ability to make flat maps?
<Harold25> Are any type of unit supposed to offer interdiction fire from a fortress?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> No comment
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> isnay37: You're absolutely right. It is only useful for placing specific barbarian tribes at the moment.
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> sorry...but if it's more than a week out, no comment...
<Gramphos> Will buildings some time in the future be selectable as prequires for units?
<Hagbart> Will u continue to improve the Editor in the future?
<ixnay37> thanks 
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> That is the plan
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<Hetairoi22> Soren: How much have you decreased AI tech trading`?
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<Immortal_Wombat> Will Mike allow us a scripting language if we promise to create more than bugs? ;)
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<ACS_MarkG> for newcomers: the chat is moderated. voice is given in groups alphabetically. those with mirc can join the the open channel  #apolytonpublic
<Hagbart> The tech trading seems fine to me now
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<ACS_MarkG> Mike you ought at some of the ctp2 mods :)
<Hagbart> will u make an xp?
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> no comment
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<Hagbart> :(
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> sorry....ultimately it's the only safe answer there is
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> for questins like that
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<Harold25> does the fortress offer interdiction fire to all units?
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<ACS_MarkG> how do you judge all the latest "moopera"? :)
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<Gramphos> What is specific if you give a unit the flag leader?
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<Hagbart> Do u like beer?
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<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> Hagbart - Yes
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> It reminds me of SMAC....you get something by being so candid, but it has some built in risks. Firaxis doesn't have it's own forums for instance, which was directly related to SMAC experience. I wish them the best regardless..
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<Hagbart> <xwho> ye like why not bring out a dvd with all different language versions in ONE!
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Since there isn't localized movies, all versions coudl probably fit on the same CD....no plans though
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<ACS_MarkG> But everyone remembers the initial smac forums with good memories... and the owo were unmoderated(huge difference)...
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<ACS_MarkG> but mainly i'm talking about people geting laid off at this time of the production
<Immortal_Wombat> is that a no on the scripting language, despite all the mods to display how great it is?
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<Hagbart> Will u make it possible to add units in a future patch?
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Well, pre-release, forums are always plesant. The issue is after the honeymoon and the reality of the game has to complete with the insubstantial 'dream' versino of the game...thats where the trouble starts...
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Sorry to keep doing this to you hag...but no comment
<Hagbart> <Spiffor> Hagbart : please ask this : Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS : Well, the ones who work on the patches are programmers and QA. My question is : what are the artists doing during this time ? Are they preparing new graphics & sounds for an XP ?
<Hagbart> <[mart]> good question
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> For a change of pace...no comment
<Hetairoi22> When will Add/Remove buttons be added to the editor? And what sections of the editor wil have it?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> There are a number of unannoucned projects being worked on
<Immortal_Wombat> scripting?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Probably not any time soon
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<Hagbart> <GER-Jennifer> please ask them : "Can we add new units after the art-limits are fixed? Or have we to buy the addon?"
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> Immortal_Wombat - I think you've missed my point about a scripting language. Scripting is not the same as a scripting language...
<Immortal_Wombat> wow, better than a "no comment"
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Plenty vague though!
<Immortal_Wombat> good enough
<ACS_MarkG> dont ruin it jeff :)
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<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Haw
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<Immortal_Wombat> scripting and scripting languages differ significantly?
<Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS> Lay it on him beer.
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<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> You don't need a scripting language to script events.
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<King_of_Camelot> Why is it taking you so long to remove the art limitations related to adding new units? With the old hacked editor there seemed to be no problem with adding new units, but you say there are limitations?
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> Maybe I should say "language"
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