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Posted by Capo di tutti Capi on 17-02-2001 00:51:

 History of the World . . .

This is the thread for the Diplogame featuring:

The Capo - Adriatic League
Chris - Mali
Drake - Zulus
Dimbleby - Israelites
Sun Tzu - Chinese
War4Ever - Mongolia
Deity - Australians

We will feature a website which will have some stories from the leaders, maps, top five cities, powergraphs, wonder lists, unit and city counts and all kindsa crap demographics, everything so anyone can check out the progress of this game.

We will probably have some in game screen shots and stuff like that, so it should be cool. But for now everyone can post here and we will get it up on the website. Its been a cool session, I'll put up a post to get us started...
[This message has been edited by Capo di tutti Capi (edited February 25, 2001).]

Posted by Capo di tutti Capi on 17-02-2001 01:05:

Venice Post
2000 b.c.
1/2 Gold


TOP STORY: Israeli - African Relations Reach a Fevered Pitch!
Jerusalem, Israel - Reports today show that a war may be brewing just south of the Nile delta. "Early reports indicate that the Zulu threatened an Israelite settlement in the Nile Delta, asking for money as well as technology for the safety and lives of the Hebrew settlers. We began to discuss the matter with both Israel and the Mali King Mansa Musa in order to iron out some sort of peace process in Africa, but a deal was struck between Israel and the Mali" reported Venetian Secretary of Commerce Giancarlo Agrippina. That deal was very much in favor of the African standpoint. According to early leaks from Israeli sources, the Israelites promised not to extend their settlements in Africa past their initial city at the head of the Nile, it made it quite clear that territory claimed by either Mali or the Zulu were off-limits. "It is quite evident that neither African state wishes for Israel to extend their culture to that continent, the part that strikes me as odd is the propensity of the [Mali and Zulus] to make such outrageous land claims, huge amounts of territory have been claimed thousands of miles from official borders in Africa. This is a troubling fact, one that clearly states that the African nations are quite aggressive and expansionistic" commented Dutch Regent William Van Der Loon. At this point in time, Doge Carlo D'Medici has given hints that an expeditionary force may be sent into the theatre to "asses the situation."

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Domestic Report
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Adriatic Pact signed in Venice.
Venice - The Lords and Regents of the six independant duchies signed an agreement today, lineating a very strong alliance which will hence be known as the Adriatic League. The founding states of Venice, the United Netherlands, the Kingdom of Romania, the Kingdom of Bosporus, the Duchy of Donua and the Province of Orenburg have agreed to full military, economic and legal cooperation forever. "I am quite proud of my father's accomplishment" commented reknowned Wine Merchant Lorenzo D'Medici and Duke of Trieste "This has cemented peace throughout the European continent." However not everyone is keen on the new arrangment, particularly Duke of Padova and well known Commerical buisnessman Nicolo Machiavelli "I have been working for the Regency in numerous capacities here in Venice for years, I am not sure that our viewpoints will agree with those of Bucharesti, let alone far off Donua and Orenburg. I think that more than peace was at work here." Despite these comments, the treaty went through without a hitch. Doge Carlo D'Medici of Venice was named King of the League.

Construction of Monument Commissioned in Venice.
Venice - In honor of Doge Carlo D'Medici for creating the Adriatic League, a giant statue in his honor has been commissioned to be built in the port of Venice. "It will be a testament to his family, and to this very strong alliance he has formed" commented Romanian sculptor and bronze worker Alexandru Denes, "It will stand for centuries as a beacon of prosperity." The statue was commissioned by head Regent Victor Emmanual of Genova.

Burst in Taxes allow more money to Scientific Research.
Bucharesti - By far the most productive city as far as scientific research goes, Bucharest has recieved a boost in science funding, as have all other cities in the Adriatic League "I am quite pleased" said Atilla Frunze, a Romanian Alchemist "My research has recieved 20% more funding than we had previously, this should help the entire League to develop new and better methods of living in general." The science increase occured after the House of Regents discussed tax intakes, and decided to lower money that would be spent on civil and military effects and increase funds towards scientific research. "The decision did not come lightly" stated Doge Carlo D'Medici "But we did come to an agreement, a consensus that if we are to become a powerful nation, and a powerful Federation of Duchies, we must be innovative in the areas of the science.

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International Report
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Dimbleby the Wise of Israel to Propose African Peace Summit.
Tel Aviv, Israel - Word has been leaked from the Israeli settlement of Tel Aviv in Eastern Turkey as to a Summit Proposal which will include all of the African States. "I am quite pleased with the decision, if in fact these reports have any truth to them" said Doge Carlo D'Medici, "I look forward to hearing what may come of such talks, as it is an important matter to the various states of the League." At this point in time no confirmation from Dimbleby could be extracted, however Israeli officials did give hints that it may occur, there will be more information as it comes available...

Land Deals Cement D'Medici's Place in History.
Karakorum, Mongolia - The name of Medici will be known throughout history, as the first leader of the Adriatic League has made two major land pacts with the nations of Mongolia and Israel. The pacts are very condusive to Adriatic peace. "Basically what we have done is acquired a large amount of territory, as per our agreements with the governments of Israel and Mongolia respectively" commented Duke Garibaldi, Secretary of the Interior "In a general sense, we have secured all of Europe, lands north of the Khazak deserts as well as some territory within and west of the Khazak deserts, with this land peacefully acquired we have established not only a garauntee of open and free land for our people, but peaceful setlements, unlike those that are being established and debated in Africa." There are many opponents to these agreements, especially Nicolo Machiavelli, as well as Duke William of Orange-Nassau who is a Regent in the United Netherlands. Orange said "This is quite possibly the most direct assault on the form of Federation we have, we are allowing neutral and free states entrance, now we are consolidating Empire, that is not the manner of this government, we will create states that are not of their own will but of our own political ambition, I believe we have made a grave misstep."

Editorial
N. Machiavelli


You are being watched. New taxes, new documentation, new identification and loyalty oaths, new laws. The once free flowing commerce of Venice is now being funneled through the red tape of the League. This is hardly a Federated Republic of states. This is a conglomoration of Medici power accross all of Europe. The possibility of its demise has been ended, Medici has consolidated power over Europe as well as other lands in Asia. The Israelites and the Mongols have basically signed this into effect. I have no doubts that his son will be selected to Head Regency within the House of Regents. He will practice autocratic power as his father has, the Republic exists merely as an advisory body, Medici makes the final decisions. How quickly has the lethality of the Romanian King's toungue has turned from rasping Medici to praising the man. We have the freedom of speech here, as long as it does not prevent Medici from retaining his air of supremacy throughout the Federation. We are working together for our Union, but why is Medici intervening in Africa? We know nothing of African affairs, or even of Israeli affairs outside of Tel Aviv. Yet Medici finds it prudent to lambast the decisions of Mali and the Zulu with no knowledge. This is not the work of a Republican regime, this is the work of an autocrat. I urge you all to heed my warning to your various Senates, and Lords. Perhaps the only thing scarier to them than the sword of Medici is upheaval of the people.

N.M.

Posted by deity on 17-02-2001 06:45:

deity looked out over this God-forsaken piece of barren land that the builder of this world had bestowed upon him....
Who will I appoint to lead the sufferers of this desert island continent?

I give this task to Paul Keating.

It is his brief to fight against all odds and setbacks to build a Spaceship before any other nation on Earth and colonise another barren piece of crap on AC

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In the first epoch 7 tiny towns were establish across the breadth of the land. Many local villages were abandoned and were overgrown by WEEDS!
From only one or two such places (huts) did anything of any value emerge. But no sign of people. Not even a barbaraian, who would have been most welcome! We are so lonely. We hear of wondrous things from far off lands and maybe one day we will...... never mind...
back to earth.

Despite having only ourselves to rely on our Scientists discovered a new form of leadership called Monarchy and Paul was crowned King of the Aussies in 2250 BC.

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Posted by War4ever on 18-02-2001 08:12:

Although warned by the gods well ahead of time not to drink and walk, War4ever refused their advice and thus the journey of Mongolia has been littered with poor decisions........

The land is harsh and barren..... the crops refuse to grow..... the only saving grace is that the Chinese leader AI was even more loaded than I.

Manchuria is secured as is India...... leaving no room for a Chinese expansion.....

We hear idle rumours of middle east tension and African politics but have not been in contact with any of these cultures.

A peace treaty with the courageous and honorable Adriatic League has been established and we look forward to futher cooperation with the round eyed peoples.....

Posted by SunTzu on 19-02-2001 09:31:

Emperor SunTzu's sit on his throne disappionted at the recent events, his mother has taken control of the local army and has vowed to take over the land.
Emperor SunTzu gathers his forces and meets his mother at the Yuang River for the final battle.......

Posted by Mr Dimbleby on 21-02-2001 03:25:

State of the Kingdom (The year 2250):

Population - 140,000
GNP (in millions) - $5
Manufacturing (in Mtons)- 18
Land Area - 38,000 sq.miles
Life Expectancy - 25 years
Family Size - 6.4 children
Military Service - 7 years
Annual Income - $3 per Capita
Productivity - 60

Foreign Relations-
Adriatics at Peace Treaty
Mali peace agreement
Zulu no agreements

Posted by Capo di tutti Capi on 22-02-2001 21:59:

A lot of interesting developments last session, this one looks to be a good one. Is the African situation resolved or has it just begun? How will the Mongols respond to the new Chinese Emperor? Some interesting questions, and I'm sure we'll get some new ones.

Posted by deity on 23-02-2001 14:06:

 

Aussies rock
... but lack cities



more news soon.....

Posted by War4ever on 23-02-2001 14:31:

625 BC..... Mongolia en Masse!

Well we went from 5 cities to 17 cities with more to follow. The Mongols have been breading like rabbits to secure ALL of Asia, as colonization of the New World seems to be too far away......

Manchuria is secure! India is secure! The Urals are being fitted with our strongest workers. Mongolia looks to cosolidate its standing, not to expand any further westward.

It is apparent from our diplomats, that both the Hebrew speaking Jews and the Adriatic League are skeptical of a Mongolian presence in Asia and the middle east. Mongolia has done everything possible to put both of these powers at ease but little seems to be accomplished in this regard.

The Adriatic leage is quite a bully regarding world politics...... My advice to her neighbors is too watch your back.

Mongolia looks to keep an isolationist approach towards the white and brown skinned round eyes of Europe and the mediterranean...... We also hear reports that the African isn't wanted in this world by the white man as well......

Rumour has it , a tribe of people whom can only be regarded as from "down under" are a crazy partying lot.... we have watched with shock as their cities grow at astronomichal rates

Massive roads are being constructed to allow quick deployment of troops to the front, western or eastern. Mines are being erected to exploit the land and create an economic and productive empire.

The Colonization of Japan has allowed us an early warning defense system in case of a sea raid.

The Mongols are looking for free trade with countries whom will respect treaties and whom will not be too greedy. If this is you , please contact the Mongolian embassy in your area.

Posted by Capo di tutti Capi on 23-02-2001 23:26:

Tales of Asian treason...

To Whom It May Concern....
The House of Medici Official Publication
625 b.c.


It has come to our attention that words from his "respectable king" War4Ever of the Mongols continue to bear false truths, and the house of Medici finds it incumbent upon themselves to dispell these horrible lies.

The European Protection Act was signed into passage as a land claim, the Adriatic League claims all lands inside of Europe as well as others lineated in the act, and others not lineated in the act.

The Mongolians have charged us with breaking an initial agreement that seperated our two territories for all time. I shall now transcribe a report from general Garibaldi, who was attending to Asian relations at the time:

"The Mongoloid have charged us with breaking an agreement, which is a very questionable charge in my own honest opinion. Once we had agreed upon territorial claims, the House of Medici and his late an honorable Doge Carlo D'Medici had ushered into effect a warning against the Mongols. We kindly asked them to leave without threatening the health or prosperity of their soldiers. We even offered them stay for recouperation after combating the vile Gothic Barbarians. Thus no threat or aggression was given towards his majesty of the Kingdom of Mongolian Tribes. However, after centuries of falsely believing the Mongols and their promise that they would at once return from whence they came, we had recieved maps from the Israelites which, upon other things, had shown that the Mongols had in fact headed towards Scandinavia, when they had told us they would go back to the steppe. I find this very troubling information. Upon discovery of such a muder of trust, we had asked the Mongols to please leave, telling them how disgusted we were at their lies. We never threatened them with any force what so ever. His majesty Carlo D'Medici offered them our maps so they didn't have to worry about mapping Europe. Therefore we took their grave trasngression upon our trust with a grain of salt, and even offered them maps for the misunderstanding. Consequently, a garrison of Adriatic forces who were NOT in Mongolian territory were threatened with their lives without warning, or without prior agreements or acceptance of agreements. Therefore I must ask his majesty if these two faced peoples should be trusted.

General Garibaldi"


It is thus in my opinion, that the Mongolian Khan is attempting to subvert the interests of the Adriatic peoples by continuing lies. They wish to have a grand alliance against us, if that is their wish, then they have every right to pursue it.

But I do ask of the leaders of the world, to please make sure you are aware of all facts before you even entertain such chimerical attempts by the Khan of Mongolia. As a new King has ascended the throne, his honorable Lorenzo D'Medici, new treaties will be discussed and old ones revised.

Thank you for your time, and god bless the states of the Adriatic...

House of Medici

Posted by Capo di tutti Capi on 23-02-2001 23:31:

Updates from the Adriatic League!

Doge Carlo D'Medici is dead, but was he murdered? Who will be king? An African colony in Europe!?!?! The European Protection Act! Possible border tensions with Mongolia? Giant statue erected in honor of Carlo D'Medici!! WOW!

Posted by Capo di tutti Capi on 26-02-2001 07:35:

 

Alright, so far the action and politics in this game are very awesome even after only the second session. We had some issues with the Chinese player but they were all cleared up and we are ready to get this thing underway. We have a lot more updates at the site now, including a map courtesy of the Oz-Man, which is going to be pretty cool and may bring back fond memories of the original Civ... ah memories.

Anyway a lot of things are going on and they seem like they are going to heat up even more; Will the border tensions between Mongolia and the Israelies/Adriatics heat up? What will the Mongols do about the new leader Prometheus of the Chinese? With the advent of the Lighthouse will the colonial era kick in? When will the Aussies make first contact? Are the latest agreements between the Adriatics and the Mali a sign of a future partnership, or will the European Protection Act end that in its infancy? All of these questions and more will be asked and answered in the latest updates at the official website of "The History of the World"....

Posted by The Capo on 02-03-2001 00:47:

It's gametime tonight folks, and things are ready to explode!

The Mali have a new leader, what will King Sekong do in the wake of recent events? Will this effect the relationship between the Mali and Adriatics? The Chinese leader "Ai Dum Fuk" has finally abdicated the throne, will the new king Prometheus find it as easy as Ai did to bow before the Mongols, or will the upstart Chinese challenge Mongolian hegemony over Asia? Has the border dispute between the westerners and Mongols subsided, or has it just begun? In which direction will the Zulu fleet head now that the Lighthouse has been erected? These questions and more will be answered tonight!


Todady's prospective cast is as follows:

Dimbleby of the "Rockin" Israelies.

Sekong "The New" of the Mali.

War4Ever the "Insane" of the Mongols.

Drake the "Black" of the Zulus.

Deity the "Drunk" of the Aussie Posse.

Pro- "What the hell is he thinking" -metheus of the Chinese.

And of course, Capo the "Well Endowed" of the Adriatic League.

Feel the excitement!

Posted by deity on 02-03-2001 09:07:

625 B.C.

In the centuries that followed, Paul concentrated on building up his towns to become cities. With little space for more cities the Aussies set about irrigating the lands and making babies... Without the tech of Map Making the Aussies only added one new city, that of Perth.

Every effort was made to concentrate on scientific research and around 900BC the concept of creating a Republic dawned on Paul Keating, not for the last time [Aussie joke!]

By 725BC Paul despatched his crown and donned the garment of the toga! He looked most distinguished and the people loved him so much that they dreamt about their great leader and their great nation every night - so much so that the population expanded astronomically...

But, the secret of Map Making still eluded our scientists. The Aussies wanted to sail the high seas but when presented with further research the path of Philosophy was taken and in a northern city called Weipa it was discovered first in the world (which would have to be the most unlikely scenario one could imagine!)

Oil was tapped near Broken Hill and mines setup in readiness to build the Lighthouse Wonder as soon as Map Making arrived but alas we heard on the wind that a mighty empire of Zulus had built this Wonder.

Finally, the Aussies were able to build tri-remes and set forth on voyages of discovery and colonisation. One new city called Bali was established.

Posted by deity on 02-03-2001 16:56:

deity looks out at the handiwork of Paul Keating who has managed his republic most effectively.

With barren terrain and few cities he has lead the Australian nation to dizzying heights of success.

New Zealand has been settled as has The Philipines.

Our intrepid explorers to the North happened upon a jolly fellow called Warforever. We made peace. He likes Aussies

The ultimate moment arrived in 325BC when Broken Hill, a city where illiteracy is rife, actually builds the Great Library!

But there are mutterings. Our cities have reached maximum size and water is lacking. It is a dry continent and our scientists have much to discover to maintain our momentum. The Zulus and Mongols have many more cities which are expected to explode in a frenzy of partying and passion....

Paul looks to the oceans for other lands.....

Posted by The Capo on 03-03-2001 01:56:

A random Mongolian garrison outside of Orsoni passes a small brook, there is a dead European clutching a peice of paper, one of the soldiers picks it up and begins to read...

To whom it may concern.

The time has come to end the impotence of words. They are weak, they do not catch the heart of the royalists, there are no hearts within these men to catch. It is said their blood is blue, this is true, for it is cold as ice. They feel no pain for their fellow man, they are devout as barbarians, they are as benevolent as a savage beast.

It shall begin here, the words of righteousness are not in your newspaper, they are tacked to the walls of the slums, of the ghettos. You will not hear a grand debate in a theatre hall, you will hear the truth in your local pub, at your local football game. Cast a watchful eye upon your royalists, they take your money, and spend it on gold, on food, on clothing and on whores. This decrepid nation will rise out of this horrible position it is in. Enlist now! Join the Europa movement. Free the world from this horrible caste.

Bring this paper to the Kyzykum Hotel in Orsoni, present it to the page within the lobby, he shall make you aware. Be brave, and be watchful.

-N.B.


The soldier looked over the paper, and tossed it to the ground. The garrison continued their march....

Posted by sekong on 03-03-2001 04:25:

Tale of Writing

At the year of 3375, aka. New Kingdom 1 year, the Great Pharaoh Ray King raised to be the new ruler of Mali Kingdom. The new king looked up and down, searched all over the hyperspace, but he could not find any previous written history about his Kingdom. Finally, he consulted with his science advisor, and found that the pathetic Mali people even did not know how to write! The new king took it as a very serious issue, and the order was given: we must discover the myth of Writing! The King said, whoever can discover the secret, the King will share him/her all the treasure of the Kingdom! All the wisest men/women are motivated to focus on this new research direction. But according to the science advisor, it still needed at least another 100 years before we can discover it ourselve. The King was so depressed.

One day, the King stepped up to the tower of his palace, looked through the far end between the sky and desert, he decided to seek help from other nations. According to the Foreign Minister, the Mali had three neighbers: Zulu, Isaelite, and Adriatics.

At first, the King met with Zulu King. A peace treaty was easily achieved. But Zulu King didn't want to exchange any technologies with us. Emissaries back from Isaelite also brought bad news: Isaelite the Wise also did not know how to write. Well, maybe wise people don't need to write. But our pathetic Mali people needed it. Finally, the Great Paraoh met with Adriatics King. The Adriatics agreed to teach us in exchange our advanced wisedom: trade. So it was done. As their first practics, the Adriatics asked to sell us Literature for 100 gold. And we accepted it.

Finally, the Mali people had their own language, which was composed of Mali Alphabet and Adriatics grammar. On the way back to the Kingdom, the Great Pharaoh told his science Minster an ancient wisdom, Seafaring. It was the first document written in Mali language.

Posted by sekong on 06-03-2001 05:06:

Timbuktu Times

New Kingdom Year 300

Report from Defense Minister

As the peace treaty adn agreemnets signed with neighber countries. A major concern was harassment of Barbarians. Two waves of barbarian was defeated at Sikasso and Bamako. A barbarian leader was captured near Bamako. One elite Legion was losed near Sikasso.

To better defend our cities, a massive recruitment was performed. Each city are guarded by elite troops now.

Domestic News

Two new cities: Bissau and Benin were founded. More roads are build to bring more trader between cities.

Population is 730,000.

Posted by The Capo on 10-03-2001 01:40:

In case I don't have time to throw this up here over the weekend here goes...

The HOTW crew had a little "tuft" over the course of the past week; were they able to survive this session unscathed?

Speaking of which how's the New World looking now? The Adriatics and Zulus have finally met, will there be a clash or a compramise? A new pact was signed, who were its members? Will there be war again in Africa? What's the latest on the Zulu-Australian front? Was a treaty really denied? Who's got the biggest army? What will happen now that the Medici family is no longer in power? Why does Capo do this?

Posted by drake on 10-03-2001 05:29:

There is a new leader in the military and cities categories. Go check it out and find out who overtook the Zulus (who had previously held the titles for both these categories in all 3 previous weeks of the game!)

Posted by The Capo on 15-03-2001 09:00:

Tommorow night at 8:00 pm EST (U.S.) the HOTW Diplogame kicks off with more diplomatic insanity! A lot has happened since last session and this one looks to be a great one. With the infusion of many nations into the Americas something looks like its gonna break! Who's it gonna be? On top of that alliances seem to be the soup de jour, with the Mediterranean Pact, and the new Triple Alliance in Asia, how will the rest of the world react? The Republican movement has already taken hold in Australia and the Zulu Nation, will it claim another victim?

Its all gonna come to a head, and the following douchebags will be thre to make it happen...

Drake "Don't Hate the Player Hate the Game" of the Zulus.

Dimbleby "The Chillin" of the Fightin' Isrealites.

War4 "Chaka" Khan of the Mongolian Hordes.

Prometheus "The Small" of the Cha Cha Cha Chinese.

Se- "King" -Kong of the Mali.

Deity "The Orange" of the Aussie Posse.

And of course, Il "He's just here to fix the uh, pipes honey" Capo of the Fanatic Adriatics.

And that's pretty much it. Peace.

Posted by deity on 15-03-2001 12:47:

Deity is consistently impressed with Paul’s performance.

The illiterate folk from broken Hill are hauling in the techs with GL.

Triremes with settlers have arrived in South America and established two new towns on the West coast including the Zulu described Gold Coast. We made contact with the Zulus, who, after some initial diplomatic blunders (on their part!) accepted a peace treaty. They even offered 50 gold! But why, I’m not sure? Paul took it anyway He’s like that!

The Aussies remain the supreme power but with other civs establishing so many cities Deity suspects Paul may have to carefully consider his expansion program. It is imperative that all other nations recognise Aussies rights to substantial areas in the Americas. The following map shows the Aussies claims.



A strong alliance has been forged with the Mongols and Chinese. Much tech sharing has occurred and a great friendship prevails. It is also imperative that significant areas of North America are available for the Chinese, in particular, to settle.

Posted by deity on 15-03-2001 13:14:

Paul has had words with El Capo Diego who does not respect the Aussie claim.

We started out on a lump of a desert island and seek to claim rather poor land in South America. I seek the counsel of my allies and other wise leaders of the world.

The Adriatic league started in the lush valleys and grasslands of Europe. And still have much land to settle in the old country. Yet, El Capo says he will fight for land in America!

Does the rest of the world feel that Paul's claim is reasonable?

We warn the world of the volatile and unreasonable behaviour of the League.

We will negotiate boundaries with civilsed and respectful nations only.....

Posted by The Capo on 15-03-2001 22:34:

First point; I am not a spaniard it is Il Capo not El Capo.

I never said I am going to fight you, what I said was I do not respect this claim on the grounds that it is not fair to anyone else.

If I were to make a huge land claim the way you did I would be laughed at, and the same should occur to you, except you have half the world in an alliance which will support this ridiculous land claim.

My stance is that the new world is open season, whoever settles what gets it. If you want to fight for land that is your choice to do so, I simply said that I would settle anywhere I deem plausable and if one chooses to fight me based solely on where I place my settlements, then I would be more than willing to accomodate them.

But for you to assume that you can just go out of your way and make land claims is unfair to me, and is pesonally dispariaging to me and my people. To further believe you can make these claims based on your power and my relative weakness compared to that power is yet another insult, and then to base this huge claim on the fact that you have a very strong alliance is further evidence that you might intend on using violent means to achieve this claim.

It is unfair that you get the opportunity to make a claim and expect everyone else to agree to it, that is what I am saying, and I believe every nation on this planet including your allies would agree with that.

I do not bow down to anyone, including whoever happens to be on top, expecting me to agree to your every whim is quite insulting as well.

-Adriatic League.

Posted by drake on 16-03-2001 01:14:

Your map also differentiates with the original zulu agreements that you made. Our understanding was that South America was to be divided in two on a straight line. This means that your original line that youve drawn from the tip of South America should go straight through the entire continent to the top. This is what Shakeem agreed to and he will not honor your claim in eastern S. America. Although most of this land is made up of jungle, the resources there are numerable. Shakeem also wants to remind Consul Keating, that real estate in Southern Africa is very limited and our expansion into the new world will not be covering the Northern America. That being said, if you insist upon retaining your claim in S. America, we will be forced to migrate there (N. America). We do not desire this, so don't make the mistake of forcing us into an akward situation.

The wide range that is claimed is almost as ridiculous as Shakeem claming that Canada is his. Consul Keating, we wish the best of luck to you, but you're in a dream world if you think the rest of the world will bow to your wishes........

Also, if you wish to complain of god given land, please take a look at China and Israel. Israel is sandwiched between three large nations and has no room to expand. Yet you do not hear them making claims that they cannot support. And China. China was raped out of their land by the Mongols. Their potential was squashed like a bug long ago. Australia leads the world in population and power. Apparently the land god gave you could not be that poor. To be ambitious is one thing. To be greedy is another.

Posted by sekong on 16-03-2001 03:33:

New Timbuktu Times.
AD. 30. 1/4 Gold

Headline: The Settlement in New Land.

After centuries' searching, we finally found a new land. The New Timbuktu City(NTC) are founded.

Since the early days, The Great Pharaoh had been concerned about the growth limit of Mali due to a lack of fertilize land. About half land of Mali are desert. The only answer to this problem is exploring new land. The first several orders of The Great Pharaoh included sending a navy fleet to find the new land. After Several hundred years' travelling, the fleet passed Iceland, Greenland, and finally found a New Land. Meanwhile another navy fleet with new seafaring technology also arrived. Local nomads seemed happy to our arrival. Some skilled tribes joined us. A local legion called Sitting Bull has been assigned to be the associate military leader at new settlement. The head of all the settlement is believe to be the Great Pharaoh himself. He bought the land of New Timbuktu from natives by a bag of colorful stone: emerald, gold, and ruby, which represent the color of our flag. Some attendant of the Paraoh argued that it might be too expensive. But the Pharaoh replies, "If you know that, hundred years later, the city founded here will be the center of the world, the icon of freedom, each acre of its land will worth more than that, you would not say so. And my reincarnation will come back here 2000 years later." With a big smile on his face, the Pharaoh think: what I really mean is that I AM directing the founding of this city, where I am living, from 2000 years later.

That year was called AD.1. It's popular believed that AD is the abbreviation of "After great Discover". But only the Pharaoh know that there is an another cause yet to be revealed. When HES TIME COMES.

The Building of Great Wall

In order to defend our cities, the Great Wall was built. It's a movement began from Timbuktu. It compose of city walls surround each of cities, and between cities. The Great Wall will give us special benefit when defending barbarians and other invassions. Almost every families devoted to this great project. Kids play with stones since very young. Therefore it became a habit that wherever out settler found a new city, the first thing they will do is to build a city wall. Believe or not, they can do it even when they have sweetest wildest dreams. Otherwise it can't explain how it could be done in almost no time. Maybe that's god's miracle onto people living in pathetic desert.

International reports.

At the time of finish Great Wall project, we re-state our peace willing toward all nations. In the New Land, we expect to meet new nations and seeking true friendship. Before any agreement was made, we claim the land we settle first. Land within our cities's radius, in between, and nearby, now and in future, before official agrrements are made. We like to discuss the issue with leaders of other nations.

Our friendship with Zulu nation are developing. Caravans come from Zulu. They are welcome. Some of our caravans are also ready to depart from Timbuktu. We look forward to further trading with Great Zulu.

Israelite are building fortress at the border. It's not friendly movie, but we hope it will end as defense purpose only.

We continued to trade some advanced technologies with Adriatic League, but meanwhile they breaked the land agreement with us, they landed at Tunis and claimed that's within their city's radius. The Tunis settlement project have to be postponed. While the Foreign Minister still stay in League to negotiate the situations, military force are not that opatient. Middle class military officers are angry about league's behavor. Rumor said some special action might be performed.

Domestic Report.

Building road. Building road.
Building Irrigation. Building Irrigation.

Posted by deity on 16-03-2001 06:52:


When European explorers arrived in new worlds they DID claim whole lands. Sometimes several nations laid claims, sometimes there were wars.

Paul has made an Aussie claim and is prepared to peacefully negotiate the borders as previously stated.....

Posted by deity on 16-03-2001 07:12:

Shakeem, you said you would send the Aussies a map but it did not arrive.

So we proposed the claims in the posted map as a suggestion since the additional land Paul would like to claim is virtually all jungle anyway.
However, your words are correct and we shall amend our boundary to reflect the longitude that you suggest.

You must admit that, if you count up the land area, the Aussies are at a huge disadvantage and when you add to that the poor quality of our terrain I appeal to the world to understand the need for at least the rest of our claim.

Paul can support his claim and it's up to all nations to provide for their own people.

Paul wishes friendship with the Zulu folk and is disappointed with the tone and manner of this missive.
Shakeem's generosity in securing peace with the Aussies will not be forgotten, however. And it is clear you see some merit in the argument that a nation starting out with poor land deserves a little international support in securing at least some additional colonies, albeit also with poor terrain.

Clearly the Aussies have fully recognised the rights of the Chinese to large areas of land in North America.

Posted by drake on 16-03-2001 07:15:

A letter arrives in the newly established Australian town in the new world..........


Consul Keating,

As long as you retract your plans to cut into eastern S. America, there will be peace. Shakeem welcomed your countries entry into a continent that could have very easily been "claimed" in entirety by the Zulu Nation. We even tolerate the city that you so boldly placed not far south from an established Zulu city. We can be peaceful neighbors. That is what the Zulus want. Whether we will be or not will be determined by decisions you make in the near future. I know you to be a wise man Consul. Your empire is one of legends. We trust you will make the wise choice.

Consul Shakeem

Posted by The Capo on 16-03-2001 08:23:

 

Habsburg Royal Palace, around dinner time...

King Ferdinand: All of this talk, it is frustratingly dull!

Cosimo D'Medici: Yes 'tis sire, I am quite shocked myself. You know the Asians have established a very strong alliance, word comes from the Zulu that it has even made a land claim of nearly all of the Americas.

Vittoria: Speaking of which how is Leopold? Is he well?

Ferdinand: I have heard nothing of Leopold, I assume so...

Cosimo: He's a strapping lad, he'll be perfectly fine. He braved the harsh asian deserts, through Mongolia, Israel, Mali and the Zulu Nation. He'll be fine, he's got Habsburg blood, its strong.

Ferdinand: Yes it is (he smiles and looks at Vittoria, she smiles back) Well, regardless it should be fine the- (he is interrupted)

Page: Sire, I apologize for intruding upon your mealtime, but this is of the utmost importance! A message from Leopold and the Zulus sire! (he hands a scroll to a servant takes it and hands it to the king, who stands up and reads it)

Cosimo: What does it say Ferdinand?

Ferdinand: My god, Giovanni, please give these scraps to the servants.

Giovanni: But sire, there is a whole meal he-

Ferdinand: Don't ever say but to me again! When I give you an order you obey, now take the food to the cooking chambers at once! (the servant leaves alongside the page)

Cosimo: My lord?

Ferdinand: Vittoria please leave... (she slowly exits, looking at her brother Cosimo with a worried look)

Cosimo: My lord?

Ferdinand: It is this map, this is America look at it. (he hands it to Cosimo) See that, right there in the middle?

Cosimo: Are you sure the landmasses are shaped correctly, there is no way Europe is this small compared to-

Ferdinand: Its right Cosimo, god damn it! What will we do?

Cosimo: I have no idea, I am no politician...

Ferdinand: We do not need a politician Cosimo, we need a leader.

Cosimo: My lord, I have heard legends the Aus-

Ferdinand: Call upon Garibaldi, I want a House of Regents meeting as soon as is possible.

Cosimo: That could take weeks sire, I shall send the word. (He exits)

King Ferdinand looked out of his palace window, staring accross the Adriatic Sea, he pulled out his sword and looked over it, for centuries it had been passed down through the ages of Habsburgs... it was so clean and shiney, so perfect... and it was all going to change...

Posted by deity on 16-03-2001 09:20:

Paul now realises the unfortunate nature of this mis-understanding.

The map now shows Shakeem's understanding of the originally verbally agreed border.
The Australian envoy in South America has been asked to attend a 'holiday' conference in Tahiti - permanently
However, Paul has sent a message appealing to the Zulu's sense of fair play and asks that the land in question be requested for Aussie settlement, perhaps in return for gold?

(BTW as an aside Civ 3 will have a bargaining table - can't wait!)

Posted by The Capo on 18-03-2001 14:36:

The following message arrives at the various palaces of Mongolia, China, and Australia....

Dear Sirs...

Through the Zulu embassy it has come to our attention that a member of your alliance, which we refer to as the Pacific Pact (please inform us if this moniker is incorrect), has made quite the land claim in North America, and since "situations" have deterred us from "playing" I think the time we now have to discuss this issue will suffice for some type of end result here. I believe I speak for the Mali as well when I say that land is tight in North America, and we feel that the Australians may have overstepped their realistic bounds in making this claim.

I have many issues to bring to a head as concerns this land claim as well as treaty and alliance in general. There have been past agreements made to me by nations in Asia that, if this claim comes to fruition, will have been discarded. Which I believe is unfair to me. Therefore I would like to personally, as King of the Adriatic League, ask that the sovreign nations of China, Mongolia and Australia hold an ICQ audience with me so that I may display my grievences/issues with this land claim. Thus, I ask that the Pacific Pact at least hear me out. We may hold the meeting in any Asian city that is required, I will send only one ambassador, Antonio DeNucci from Naples to attend the meeting, and he shall only represent the interests of his most Catholic majesty, King Ferdinand I of Habsburg.

Thank you for your time,
Leopold of Habsburg.

END MESSAGE.

Posted by deity on 19-03-2001 18:23:

Paul will discuss with his allies first using the following map as a basis for discussion...



Don't call us Capo, we'll call you

Posted by The Capo on 20-03-2001 00:34:

 

A message from his most Catholic Majesty; Ferdinand I of Habsburg...

In response to the map and corresponding claims posted I say this: First I continue to disregard any claims made by Australia to any land in the Americas, and obviously I disregard any claim made BY Australia FOR another nation. To think I would accept a land claim made by Australia in the name of the Mali is ridiculous, or a land claim made by China in the name of Israel for example.

Further I disregard any land claims that are made at all. If I am in a position to respect a specific claim I myself will do so. For instance of the Zulu wish to hold all of South America within their realm, they shall not only ask Australia to agree to this claim, but every nation, as every nation is sovreign the will of one should not be projected upon the consent of another. If any mapping out of the New World shall occur, as has been done in the leisure time of the honorable Consul Keating, a congress should be established of all nations in the world to establish such a map. I hardly believe it is the will of every nation on the planet for Australia to carve up the New World in such a manner.

Further, I do respect the honorable portions of his designs. I.E. the land grant towards China, it is quite an honorable tact. However, though I do see the plight of China as a horrible one, I don't think it gives Australia any more right than it does say the Mali, Israelites or the Adriatic League to carve up a fast claim in the name of China. The original map created by Australia which did lineate the land claim of only the Australian Republic was acceptable if only for suggestive purposes. As I have said before, for Australia to think it could simply claim whatever land it wished and expect every nation on the planet to agree to it without problems was quite ridiculous. Possibly Australia's nation, which is an Isle unto itself with no foreign aggressors or any chance of them without a vast naval force, has given Australia some false impressions as far as international politics goes?

In reality if a stunt of this nature was pulled in volatile Africa, or even more volatile central Asia, a war or advanced aggression would have been the result. I believe with every fiber of my being that Australia is attempting to further its own Alliance, which (as far as Adriatic intelligence currently is aware) consists of the nations of Mongolia, China and Australia. They are attempting to do this at the sacrifice of the power of the Adriatic States, the Mali, the Israelites, and the Zulu Nation. For any nation to simply draw out borders in two continents that they have no full control over is ridiculous. The Australians have CLEARLY forgotten the states of Israel and the Adriatic League when creating these land grants, I believe it is unfair for this to occur.

I believe I speak for the Mediterranean Pact when I denounce these land claims/grants, however the Wise Dimbleby of Israel is free to offer his own opinion into these matters. Before anything further officially occurs, I believe that a summitt of all nations is in order, I would like to discover the opinions of China and Mongolia (who are mysteriously silent) and the opinions of the Mali, the Zulu and my ally Israel before I agree to any sort of land claims or grants by any nation whatsoever.

In closing I would like to say that I am the King of a sovreign nation. The Adriatic League, I am quite sure my sentiment is shared with every leader on this planet when I say that I am dead-set against any nation taking advantage of me or my people. I am fully prepared to fight any nation that would purposely slight my people, and would take advantage of them in any adverse way. If for any leader among us this does not ring true I doubt your abilities and credulance as a leader. However if you are aware that these are qualities of all good leaders, than you will understand my points and my arguments, and you will entertain an international meeting on this subject. CLEARLY this situation could lead to a world war, and that is something that I want to avoid.

-Ferdinand of Habsburg.
[This message has been edited by The Capo (edited March 19, 2001).]

Posted by Mr Dimbleby on 20-03-2001 05:04:

 

I find it odd that the Aussie et al are making land claims in North America, when the Zulus and the Adriatic are the only ones who actually have units in North America. Claiming land is all fine and dandy, but it's pointless someone else settles it before you have the tech and units to get there.

Israel herby claims all of North America, even though we have no tiremes and have not discover navigation yet.

Posted by Prometheus on 20-03-2001 07:05:

A message from the Special Committee on New China Affairs:

SOUTH AMERICA

It is the opinion of this committee appointed by the Great Republic of China that there is no need for Chinese interference in this area of the world, the Great Republic of Australia and the Great Republic of the Zulu’s have reached an agreement on the division of the land in South America and each are believed to be in a position to enforce there claims there. As it is believed that no other power has a position in the territory of South America. This Committee endorsees with the will of the Senate the land agreement reached between the Zulu’s and the Australians is now recognized by the Republic of China and will respect the territories claimed by the Republic of Australia and the Zulu Republic in the sphere of South America.


OTHER LANDS

It is the opinion of this Committee that while each country could expand as fast as it could into the New World that it would eventually lead to War as the Adriatic Emperor pointed out. And that while the Australian Map is a start in the guide to peacefully there are some changes that need to be made. As the Emperor of the Adriatic’s pointed out neither they nor the Israeli people were on the Map. However the Israeli government is wrong when they say “the Zulus and the Adriatic are the only ones who actually have units in North America” Both the Chinese Government and the Mongols have forces and even cities in North America and our reading of Foreign Newspapers indicates that the Mali are also present.

THE CHINESE PROPOSAL




Now we are not saying that this Proposal is set in stone, obviously the Mali and the Adriatic’s need to discuss there division of there territory and I am sure each government has its complaints but this process will only be completed if each and every country tells the others it’s territorial ambitions. The Chinese are happy with the amount of land granted to them by the Australian proposal.

China only asks that all other countries recognize the Chinese Claim.

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