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Posted by deity on 20-03-2001 11:17:

Paul wishes to point out that Australia only presented the 'proposal' as a 'suggestion' for discussion.

Why is there all this talk of war and fighting?

Diplomats who speak in this way reveal what is foremost in their minds.

Australia is in a position to very quickly settle the land it has proposed as Aussie colonies. So, rather than just going ahead with it, Paul mapped out the plan for all the world to see and discuss. We are not just blandly claiming something but clearly stating our plans to avoid conflict!

Although praising of the Chinese proposal, America can not just be carved up on the basis of a fair and even divide for all nations on Earth, yet ignoring the original starts for all civs - which was clearly not a fair and even distribution of good land and resources.

Firstly, America can only be settled by those with the means;
and secondly by those with the greatest need, taking into account the above argument of eneven starts.

Paul will discuss the situation with his allies ASAP and is delighted to discuss all these matters with those nations the Aussies have made contact with (bearing in mind we have Marco's)

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PS Deity thinks it's absurd to widen this out from the realism of the game by just including all of us in an icq hook up! I told Capo I'd do that but it's not realistic in terms of game play.
I suggest Aussies can have a hook up with those civs we have made contact with, ie Mongols, Chinese, Mali and Zulus.
As we make contact in the game we can dvelop the dialog.

We can't just have a once and for all icq hook up that settles the American issue. Tensions must linger.....

Gameplay

Posted by sekong on 20-03-2001 11:31:


Please check the up-todate political map. Mongol, China and Mali are the Nations that have settled in NA. Mogol and China both reached the west side. mali is the only nation that settled at East side of NA. While Adriatic will be able to settle soon according to their news press.

The wise is making good points here. I can't agree with you more. Here THE WISE made the rule
# 1: In order to claim. Someone must have the tech and units to get to the claimed land.

Posted by The Capo on 20-03-2001 11:51:

My intentions are not to start a war but to prevent a war, Mongolia has on numerous occasions said that it was close to war with Israel, I know for a fact a military sitaution exists in Egypt, and I am quite sure that everyone is aware that there was nearly a clash in Tunisia.

For anyone, even the most peaceloving nations on the planet (which include the Adriatic League, despite popular opinion), to think that there is no chance of war is absurd. In a situation this volatile, there is a very real chance that tensions will flare up and a war may be the result. Therefore I will admit that I find it insulting that the Australians continue to use my statements that war could loom as aggressive, especially in light of their recent activities.

However despite this the Adriatic League has considered many factors, and has decided upon a set of land grants. I have no doubt in my mind that these will be declined, however I must stress the NEED for an international resolution to this mater. If we simply allow the strong at this point and time to thrive, the strong of the future will take offense, and again a war would result. I'm sorry if I ruin your perfect view of the world Austrlia, but war is inevitable, but it is delayable...

Anyway here is the map that the Adriatic House of Regents has decided upon, we believe that the land masses are fair sized, and have taken into consideration the plight of the Chinese....





This is the idea of the Americas the Adriatic League has, I understand that there will be issues with this map amongst other nations, this is NOT the imperialistic goals of the Adriatic League and we will continue to follow our actual imperial goals which are not what we have on this map, however this is what we think would be a good and fair split in the Americas.

 

Posted by sekong on 20-03-2001 12:39:

Ok, here is Mali proposal. It's not a map divided by yellow lines. Rather, it's some principles. When we talk about land dividing, there are 3 basic factors: willing, ability, needs. Which are willing to explore, ability to settle, and needs for new land.

Most of us agree that China can have the biggest share in American, because she has the willing, and the ability, which proved by his city in NA, PLUS the needs of land after long time of ruling under AI.

Zulu have had a big share of SA, and we'll respect it, because it had the ability to do so by building Lighthouse and maybe the first settled at American, and had the most cities so far.

Aussie and Mali both are nations settled on pathetic desert, therefore both in great need of new land to settle. According to the way Africa is divided, Mali has more need for better land. Both of two nations showed the willing and ability to achieve so.

Both Mongolia and Adriatic have the ability and willing to settle in American. But as deity pointed out, and refer to the political map, both of them having a lot of good/unsettled land in north Europe and north Asia. Therefore they are in lest need of new land.

Israelite also in need of new land, but seems they don't have the willing to bother with the America, which I believe is wise. Because there is still unsettled free space in middle asia, and the new world is too far from their original land.

Therefore here is Mali proposal:

1. We respect the request of Zulu's right at east coastal of SA.

2. We agree that China can get the biggest portion of NA, which could be arround 1/3 of NA, provided that they can settle/protect on their assigned land within a reasonable time.

3. Mali want to get the 2nd largest land of NA, which is about 1/4 of NA. As a nation which is the closest to SA, before any agreement is made, Mali reserve its right to settle in SA.

4. We respect the Aussie's right at west coastal of SA. We suggest that Aussie should give up the land claim in NA, at least Florida, and the islands east of Latin America.

5. Mongolia and Adriatic may get similar share of NA, since they are almost equal in willing/ability/needs.

6. Although Israelite did not make the effort to land in America, it still may get a small portion of land, if they request. Which I believe the best use of the assigned land is to trade it with other nations to get a land in Asia/Europe/Africa, which is closer to its original land.

NA = North American + north part of Lation AMerican + the island north of SA, and east of Latin America.

LOVE and Peace


Posted by deity on 20-03-2001 18:09:

Thumbs up

Based on the most excellent and totally rational Mali suggestions Paul has adjusted his boundaries and refined the rest of the map...



If the Israelis do not take up their islands they should really go to the Mali.

Posted by The Capo on 21-03-2001 10:12:

Excuse my French but...

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Posted by The Capo on 21-03-2001 10:40:

Okay, since Australia has shot down any chance of an international summitt, I am going to go out of my way to make some comments here.

1) Australia in my opinion has NO RIGHT to more land than any nation on this planet. They are the most populous, most productive, and most successful nation on this globe. If their case is that they are on a desert continent, and are unable to cope with that, then I must disagree. They have ascended to the highest point on the planet on this desert island, they have achieved the largest population and quite possibly the most tax income based on their government and this population. They have signed into and head up the strongest alliance thus far forged on this planet. They have been born onto an island with no natural enemies at all, and the only nation that could ever dream of toppling this empire must build a vast navy, and to do that as well as establish the ground forces capable of damaging them would be impossible. The Adriatic League does not buy their sob story, only to say that they have shown they can do a lot with what they deem a little, and for that we respect them. But to give them more based solely on the potential for weakness is not a very legitimate claim in our opinion.

2) Australia further claims that the nation of China is in need of the BIGGEST land grant in the Americas based on their current status. Again I must disagree with the Austrlians. The tale of the current status of China is a tale of greed and vassalage, and if the Chinese are free of Australian and Mongolian eyes I am sure they will relate a similar tale as this one; over four thousand years ago a mysterious ruler only known as AI ruled the Chinese people, he was a weak minded individual that was quickly frightened into submission by the Khan of the Mongols, War4Ever. China was then thrust into a dark sea of servitude to their Mongolian masters, even forced into an alliance that would make them the slave of the Mongolian empire, which is the largest on the planet. Whether it was the intent of Mongolia for China to succumb to their whip is irrelevent, it did in fact occur, and China was basically a tribute state to Monolia. A leader named Prometheus became the new Emperor of China and brought with him sweeping reforms. The size of the empire was more than doubled, and a new Republic was established to cater to the whims of the citizens rather than an all encompassing overlord, it seemed that China may slip out of its shackles, that was until the Pacific Pact came along. Soon the tributary masters of China went from one in Karakorum, to another in Canberra. They were quickly pushed to the bottom and suffocated by the girth of the empires of Mongolia and Australia. Now, four thousand years after the begining of this tale the two nations that have sucked China in are now asking the rest of us to sacrifice for their greed. They want the nations of the west (Mali, Israel, Zulu and the AL) to agree that China should get a HUGE land grant in Asia while most of us are given minor scraps. And why is this? Because China is so weak and pathetic, and why is this? Becuase Mongolia wants more land! Before the Adriatic League can even entertain a giant Chinese land grant, we would first like to know how the actual ALLIES (no less the ones who caused China's terrible plight in the first place) will help their friends. We suggest other western nations follow suit and question the motives here. Is it hard to imagine Mongolia owning more of this claim than China? It has happened before... well maybe not Mongolia... perhaps its Australia's turn to rape China?

3) The third and final point is a simple and easy one to see. Why is it that the Asian Alliance is getting FAR MORE land than the Mediterranean Pact is in the New World? According to the latest map from the Australians the Adriatic League would only get southern florida and western Labrador (as well as Newfoundland) while the Israelies get a collection of Islands in the Caribbean? Further Australia warns Israel to take the Islands or suffer their loss to the Mali. I believe this, among other things, proves the Australians and their allies are attempting to slight the only other alliance on the planet and that is the Mediterranean Pact.

It is quite clear what we are dealing with here, if we in the west could just uncover our eyes, and ignore our petty quarrels that have plagued the west since 4000 b.c., if we could just ignore the stupid quarrels over small tracts of land and see the bigger picture we would realize that we are getting the carpet pulled from under our feet by the East. It won't be too long before we ACTUALLY can relate to the Chinese plight, and I've spoken with Prometheus, it is not a good way to be...

-Adriatic League-

Posted by War4ever on 21-03-2001 12:32:

The Mongolian Minits : Vol 1

Mongolia may have bullied the Chinese nation led by the deceptive and treacherous AI, but who wouldn't. New Chinese leadership has been granted by our people into leading China out of the dark ages. With land grants in Asia and more technology gifted by us than any other nation, we have repayed China from years of dictatorial rule.

We as allies of both Australia and China respect the land claims of both sovereign nations. However, we will not engage in political ventures which do not concern us.

Mongolia will protect her own borders and those of nations we deem to be under duress from outside influences. At this time , Mongolia requests that all nations carve up the new world accordingly. First come First served. Land deals can always be neogotiated later along with real boarders. We believe it is futile to make claims on land which isn't under the immediate control of a nation. Settle the land, make improvements later.

Perhaps when the clouds of war descend upon us all, some nations will have land to bargain with, while other nations may acquire gifts by force or by suing for peace.

One last word.... Mongolia will not be aggressors unless provoke by another nation! However if attacked, we will fight until our land is either reclaimed or an equivilent remedy has pacified our thirst for revenge. I suggest all nations rethink their gluttony and agree to cooperate before war sweeps across the americas!

Posted by SunTzu on 21-03-2001 14:57:

How about the first person to the land gets the land. Hs the america's even been explored by most of you? If you haven't even set a land unit in the america's then you don't have any claims. Just start building cities where you want. The only nation i see that has respectable claims is the Zulu Nation. SunTzu has spoken.....that is all.

Posted by deity on 21-03-2001 17:30:

Friends of Marco Polo have reported to Paul Keating that the Adriatic League would be quite happy with a nominal presence only in the Americas, given their immensely good homelands. (Such reports are very reliable - transcriptions of which may be made available upon request)

It was with this in mind that Paul asked for the new boundaries to be drawn up accordingly. Otherwise the rather similar Mali proposal may be preferred...

Posted by deity on 21-03-2001 17:36:


Sure, Paul has had no problem with this all along. He just thought it would be courteous to other nations to flag the Aussies intent to settle in the suggested territories.... But it seems it caused more trouble than it was worth. The Zulu have just quietly settled and claimed more than half of South Amewrica. No one said anything. The Aussies were only a few years behind the Zulus in settling the Western third of South America with two cities already and 4 more very shortly. So rather than creating international dialog we'll just go ahead and settle..... if that is what the consensus of world opinion is.

Posted by deity on 21-03-2001 17:51:

Yes Capo, Paul too has discussed the situation with the great nation of China. Not only are we championing their cause in acquiring vast lands in the new world but we have discussed the possibility of the Aussies very soon ceding cities to China. Prometheus will confirm this.
And China's other great ally, War4ever of the Mongols, has provided China with a huge number of techs.
The Aussies and Mongols are truly great allies of China and will see no harm comes to her.
Cease this trouble-making lest you fall on your own sword...

Posted by The Capo on 21-03-2001 22:31:


Yet another Australian threat directed towards the Adriatic League.

My simple point was, if you want a Chinese land grant you would have it cleared up with each nation. I don't feel it is proper that they get land in America for the SOLE REASON that their allies the Mongols decided to bully them around. A few techs and money is no restitution for the plight of the Chinese people, everyone knows that. So land is in order, but instead of making true amends by giving them land that was taken from under them, their allies want to force land to them that they have no rights to. I have said, time and time again, that I support a Chinese land grant in the New World, that I support the idea that the Chinese should recieve land for their horrible history with Mongolia, however I don't think it should be forced upon me or any other nation, especially by an alliance who has, time and time again, threatened me and my ally Israel and continues to do so to this day.

YOU DON'T OWN THE NEW WORLD AUSTRALIA.

Neither does the Adriatic League or anyone for that matter, portions and tracts are under control of various nations, and treaties have been agreed upon (Zulu-Australian for example) however I doubt any nation could now or ever make a serious case that they own the New World. The part of the discussion I am complaining about is the fact that everytime a new map is drawn up by a member of the Asian Alliance it mysteriously disincludes, or slights the members of the Mediterranean Pact. If you deny this blatant truth you are lying to yourself, it is clear. That is my problem, and when one of our nations takes offense, and makes a comment towards that occurance, we are met with threats and more threats by the nations within the Asian Alliance. This is what I am complaining about, we are called aggressors, and we are called imperialists, however we have wishes for the entire planet to sit down peacefully and decide upon a compramise.

That is my issue here, no offense to my Chinese friends, but the Mediterranean Pact is no China. We will not be bullied for four thousand years, let alone one year. We will not take threats and name calling or an aggressive and imperialistic alliance in stride. We have grown in a world where we haven't been able to make a vassal state of our neighbors (Mongolia) or in a world where we are all alone on an island or islands with no chance of an enemy invading our capital (Australia) we have grown up in a harsh realm. The Mali, Israel, the Zulu and I myself can atest to this fact. We know what it is like to compete, we will not stand idle while America is stolen by the Asians. That is my claim.

And unlike the Austrlian claim, it is one I am sure I can fufill.

-Adriatic League-

Posted by The Capo on 22-03-2001 00:19:


Here's the catch folks, Chris has until tonight at around, oh let's say, I dunno, just by the end of tonight to inform me that he will in fact lead the Mali Kingdom in this upcomming session or else Sekong keeps the tribe for good. Further Chris must tell me that he will commit to this game, make posts (to our site as well as here if need be) and inform us in advance if there is a reason he won't show. Sekong on the other hand, you've been more than a respectable adversary, I have enjoyed your prescence in this game so far, as has everyone else, it is sad that you've gotta jet, but promises are promises, there is a good chance that you won't leave anyway, but just to tell you; there is an equally good chance that you won't be playing as the Mali in this next session. I think I speak for everyone when I say that we've enjoyed your playing and your own brand of "Sekonian" charm, and we hope that you'll remain available as a sub in future games.

Well tonight the playaz will be as follows:

Deity "The Byzantine" of the Aussie Posse.

Drake "Don't call him Highfill" of el Nacion de los Zulos.

Dimbleby "The Blue" of the Israelites and those living under the Israeli flag of which do not particularly enjoy the Isrealites.

Chris "The Late" or Se-"King"-Kong of the Mali.

Prometheus "the Welfare recipiant" of the Chinese.

War4 "Ever" of the Mongolian Hordes (and of course the diseases festering and procreating amongst those hordes).

And finally, Il Capo "the Devilishly handsome, and equally charming" of the Adriatics.

And as always we resume play of this tour de force tomorrow night at 8:00pm eastern standard time in these United States of America. Deity plays some other weird time in Austrlia... or whatever.

So far its been a good game, and despite the two week delay its kept itself interesting, which says a lot for what I think could be the most exciting and meaningful session to date. As always PEACE!

Posted by drake on 22-03-2001 08:07:

Zulu General Molefi Keti begins sweating as his trireme moves closer and closer to the equator....

He is on his way to the new world to survey first hand, Consul Shakeems claims in what shall be known nationally as Shakeem's Reserve (Eastern South America). With him are several of his finest military units to escort him. His mission is to oversee the building of several key cities in the new world and further cement Shakeems claim there. He has heard the squabbling between other nations and fears that his land, or Keating's established land might possibly be violated. He and his men are to provide support and protection to the settlers in the reserve, as well as Keating's land if necessary, until all cities are large enough to support a military of their own. This land is not negotiable and although this seems to be recognized by the world community, we feel the risk is too great to just leave this area un-defended. The general and his men shall be arriving in Salvador(Brazil) very soon.

As to claims in the continent north of Shakeems reserve, The consul states that he is neutral at this time, for his interests do not lie there. He does however wish to add that if un-honorable practices are performed here, that the Green army may be called upon to bring peace to this area of the world, using any means necessary to do so.

Posted by The Capo on 22-03-2001 08:59:

Napoleon Bonaparte looked over the shoreline, the tall trees starkly contrasted the sky, it was dusk...

He looked at the moon, which was just barely visible. He thought to himself about his future, what would occur within the next few weeks would change the world, and would certainly change the Adriatic League. The small raft landed ashore, as the men scurried to help the Corporal off of the ship, it was a crisp night.

"Argento!" called Napoleon.
"Yes sir!" replied the soldier.
"Have you searched the area?" asked Napoleon.
The soldier promptly answered "Yes sir we found human footprints, according to our maps we are rather close to the area of New Timbuktu, shall we take leave?"
"Yes Argento, inform the troops that we set off at daybreak." said the Corporal as the soldier scurried into the encampment, Bonaparte took a deep breath. Just then Admiral Van Der Koss approached him.
"Ah Napoleon, how are you on this fine American evening?" he patted the Corporal on the back.
"Just fine Admiral... Look at this place, it is a brand new world, it makes you think." Said Bonaparte staring into the dense forest.
"About anything in particular Corporal?" asked the sea captain.
"Yes... kings."
"Kings sir?"
"Kings. There is no King here, no rule, no leadership, it is virgin territory, it is free." he said looking around, a slight smile on his face.
"Well I don't know about that Corporal, I am sure the Mali king would take exception to that thought." He chuckled.
"The Mali king is nothing but a man Van Der Koss, so is Ferdinand, that is my point, look at this land, it has no King." he pointed towards the forests.
"You have been at sea too long Bonaparte." laughed the Admiral.
"Perhaps, or maybe you have been on the wrong land Admiral." replied the Corporal, he then walked away.

The next day was very busy, Napoleon ordered his men to pack up quickly, he did not want to disturb the Mali and start more problems, the issue in Tunisia was enough for one year. After a few short hours they were back on track, following the Eastern coastline of the new continent. Things were not so calm back in Venice...

"This is worse than I had expected sire." said Cosimo.
"What now Cosimo?" asked King Ferdinand, visibly exhausted.
"Sire, word is comming from Africa that the Mali King, Ray, may be deposed, I am not sure who is in line for the throne, but with the current situation this can not be a good thing." the King motioned for him to leave, and placed his hand on his forehead. Why must things be this way? he thought to himself, can't everything just work!?!? He stood up and looked out of the palace, the city of Venice, the statue of Carlo D'Medici staring at him, holding a sword in one hand and a book in the other. He stared down at the city, hustling and bustling, the peasants witih not a care in the world.
"Come to bed my lord..." said a voice, it was his wife Vittoria. "You need your rest, you haven't slept well in a week."
"I apologize my lady, I have had many things to discuss with these people, it is exhausting." He sat down on the side of the bed.
"You'll die before you produce an heir with that attitude, then my brother will be king" she said with a smile, pulling him down into the bed.
"Oh yes, Cosimo... can you imagine, King Cosimo." the king said smiling.
"Well it could be worse" said his wife "Consul Machiavelli..."
"Don't remind me, yet another problem I must deal with... the rebel rabble, your father Lorenzo was so lucky, he left this horrible business, politics are the games of evil men." he said, closing his eyes.
"Don't worry my lord, you shall think of something, you are the king, God is with you."
"Tell that to the Pope, he wants a Crusade in the Americas, can you believe this? Has the world gone insane?" he asked.
"Perhaps" she replied.
"My vision is just for peace, for trade, we can all get rich, everyone, China, Australia, Israel, the world. But this, I don't want to be the King that leads thousands of men to their deaths Vittoria, I don't want to be remembered for that."
"Go to sleep sire, please, you will kill yourself just thinking about it."

Posted by Prometheus on 22-03-2001 14:01:

Wow, am I a popular guy or what….

To all the Nations of the world,

I have sat back and watch these proceedings with great interest and reserve but it seems that they have gotten out of hand.

First of the Chinese will NOT be used as a political weapon nor will we be used as a reason for a greater moral cause. While I wish that China would be as great as her allies the glorious Australians and Mongols, by no means do we hold them in contempt. They have gifted a great many technologies that would of taken us years to complete and have allowed us to grow when they could of very well taken everything for themselves. For years the evil tyrant, AI, has had control of our country and it is to blame, the Mongols contained the evil tyrant and spared the world a great deal trouble, but now the Chinese people are free and will remain so for the rest of time.

So while we thank the Adriatic Emperor for his kind words for the Republic of China’s situation I am afraid his idea of carving up the new world will not be accomplished as he had liked, the powers of the world have too diverse views of its future to decide at a table in Vienna or any other city. The countries of the world will have to deal with each country individually.

We do hope that the world will remember to be civilized in its dealings and remember that we do not wish to grow resentment for the rest of the world. Remember that some countries do not have the power that the great four powers do.(Adriatic, Australian, Mali, and Mongol)

The Chinese will echo the Mongol pledge not to be the starters of hostilities if they do break out. But we fear for the peace of the world because like our senate even though everyone is working for the greater good of working together political assignations have been known to happen.


Sincerely,
Senator Prometheus

Posted by sekong on 23-03-2001 04:56:

New Timbutku Times Special Edition

A.D. 39 1/4 Gold

The Final Notes of the Great Pharaoh

To my people:

It has been more than 600 years since I being with you. Now it's my time to leave. Death is nothing but back to a higher conscienceness, or changing a form, body, name or title. To an enlightened one, it is just simple like get rid of a cloth or changing a new one. Therefore be happy for this.

It is not important that if I will come back or not. Also make no guess of the reason why I have to leave. Like everything having a beginning, it will come to a end. Now it is just my time comes. What important is your own liberation, inside and outside. I have shown you the way, leaded you to a new land. Now it is up to each of you to walk the path, achieve the libration. The nation will be assigned a new mighty leader soon. The great change of the world will come from far east. Some said there is no King. They were wrong. For the king of Kings has been there. Love your neighbers and your enemies, cause you are all children of God. You wil back to HES glory Kingdom sooner or later. There, we will realize we all are one. Now, I have to leave, you continue the show. Wish you the best.

The Divine Love and Peace,

The Great Pharaoh Ray I
7/14/39 at New Timbuktu Town.

Posted by sekong on 23-03-2001 23:50:

Thank you, guys. It's a little surprisd even to myself that I actually stayed last night. I hope I was just doing good. Hope to see your posts and the political maps soon. Peace.

Posted by drake on 24-03-2001 01:51:

So war4ever is out completely now? Is that what the story is? Sekongs taking over the Mongols on a permanent basis?

A very troublesome session last night huh? Many technical problems. In any case, we got a few good hours in and a few interesting developments have occured. Most interesting is the war breaking out in the new world between the AL and the Mali. Looking forward to seeing what'll happen between those two firecrackers......

Posted by drake on 24-03-2001 03:04:

Yeah, get those new rules up asap.

There is no valid argument to keep the rules as they are now. The long ship was not created to travel away from land and I think we all know this. This glitch was taken advantage of, but certainly no one can be blamed for doing so. (The Mali basically owe their existence in the new world to this glitch, but it's too late to argue about, so we won't.)

*Lets just all make sure to DL the new rules and I also plead with everyone to be on time. Send me your posts asap.

Posted by The Capo on 24-03-2001 03:13:

King Ferdinand is presiding over a House of Regents meeting in Monaco...

Reg. Machiavelli: Now we find ourselves at war, how far shall we go to hold more territory and more land? To who's name is this land claimed in? The name of the entire League? One state? The King? It is quite clear none of these questions are being answered.

Reg. Orange: Agreed, however I find that even accepting those truths, an omission of our claim is not a viable means to an end here.

Reg. Machiavelli: What is? A war? Do you realize how bloody that will be, on both sides? We can not, will not fight a war, the League depends on it.

Reg. Mazzini: Oh but a war against the crown is perfectly proper?

Reg. Machiavelli: I never said anything of the sort, I am not a traitor, I am loyal to this Kingdom Lord Mazzini.

Reg. Mazzini: Oh yes, tell me were those words from your arse or your mouth? It is quite hard to tell at times!

Reg. Orange: Lord Mazzini, come now!

Reg. Machiavelli: I do not understand why I am met with such disrespect, personally I take offense. Do we even have an official declaration of war signed, has the king signed anything?

King Ferdinand: Nay.

Reg. Machiavelli: Your majesty I implore you to please consider the Mali terms, they are quite reasonable.

King Ferdinand: Nicolo, you know full well I can not honor those terms, you of all people should know the press will make swill out of me if I am to do that!

Reg. Mazzini: My lord, that is the wish of Regent Machiavelli.

Reg. Montesqieu: I don't understand why this is such an issue with the House. The Mali hath threatened our nation, our people, who meant no harm whatsoever, what did you expect?

Reg. Machiavelli: I didn't expect a war!

King Ferdinand: Nor did I Nicolo, they did however, they spoke of war, they spoke of attack, they spoke of death. Do you expect me to act as if I am you Machiavelli? Sit behind a podium, and blow wind out of my mouth?

Reg. Mazzini: That was his mouth he was blowing wind out of?

Reg. Machiavelli: Sire, please understand. This is a war, this is doing more harm for your people than good sire.

King Ferdinand: I have made every attempt at peace talks, negotiations, the Moslem King doth not wish to speak. How can I speak to those whom are not listening?

Reg. Mazzini: Well sire, surely Machiavelli knows a thing or two about that!

Reg. Machiavelli: Sir I ask that you hold your toungue!

Reg. Mazzini: I ask that you rip yours out!

King Ferdinand: Silence, this is a time of great peril. Have you spoken with the Israelites? The Mongols?

Reg. Orange: Who sire?

King Ferdinand: You William, are you not my international advisor?

Reg. Orange: Aye sire, I am. However, I have yet to contact any nation.

King Ferdinand: Get on it, send someone into Timbuktu to hold audience with Rahim...

Reg. Machiavelli: Sire, he will be slaughtered the dogs-

King Ferdinand: Silence, he will be fine, the Mali are not barbarians. Have him hear the Mali terms, we shall then present our terms for a treaty, we are willing to become flexible, but we will not bend to the will of threats or tyrants. Send that message, this meeting is adjourned, I shall entertain an audience with the assembly later in the week. If that is all I shall leave.

Reg. Mazzini: I have matters sire, but they will be delt with in private council with his majesty.

King Ferdinand: Aye, see my page. I bid you adieu gentlemen....

Posted by War4ever on 24-03-2001 08:44:

Therefore instead of letting the team down with a no show on short notice, or more icq problems, i elected on my own to crown Sekong as the new dynasty of the Mongols.

Posted by The Capo on 27-03-2001 01:45:

Hmm, Jay messed up on the map.

Notice New Zealand, ah well, should we fix that or what?..

Screw around post: Excerpt from the book Leopold and Rashi Kali; The Traveling Monarchs... (dated 1910)

One may find the history of the colonial period quite dry and annoying. Constant power plays and lack of action made for a dull and wordy period in the world's history. But there are two men who are the essence of action, the essence of politics. One would call them traveling Kings, Rashi Kali and Leopold of Habsburg.

A little before 1 a.d., Leopold of Habsburg arrived in Africa. One must realize that the time was one of mystery and fear. The Africans knew nothing of Europeans and the Europeans had no clue what to expect from the southern Africans. Tales from the Mali and Israel rang clear throughout Europe, popular stories of the violent and gigantic king Shakeem. He was an imposing warrior who wore a mask to hide his terrible scars recieved while battling ten lions. In reality king Shakeem was nothing more than a great leader, his military prowess, while it may have existed, was not pronounced to the point of legend. Many factors could have influenced this type of logic for Europeans. Specifically the constant bids for support from the Mali and Israel, invoking the mysterious Zulus as some sort of a dominant military order more than a nation.

Despite this the well traveled Leopold of Habsburg, who had made rounds from Germany around the Black and Caspian seas, into Mongolia, down through Israel, and eventually accross the Mediterranean on a ship to Sudan was well prepared to hold audience with the mysterious Shakeem. Initially Leopold was impressed with the beauty of the Zulu cities. He was completely awe-struck when he entered Tanzania...

(I will finish this later, this has nothing to do with anything but I thought in real life a book like this would eventually be written, so its kinda cool... whatever.)

 

Posted by GNGSpam on 27-03-2001 15:22:

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From a College Textbook entitled "New World Studies 1 - Colonization". Can be found at all major Universities in Mali Proper, a required course for all Liberal Arts majors.

Historian explanatory comments in paranathesis

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Declaration of War

As presented to the First Estate (Nobility composed the first Estate in the early Monarchy, there were 3 total, the Military making up the Second and the peasentry the Third.)

Grievances against the Adriatic League

1. Claimation of the land encompassing the banks of the great River, called by the native population the "Mississippi", and all land east thereof, until the coast line of the Atlantic Ocean, excluding territories of the great North, termed by Adriatic Explorers (from the region of Gaul) to be Quebec, was violated by the Adriatic League.

2. Refusal to leave from these lands once demanded so.

3. Subsequent sneak attack by Ships under the flag of the Adriatic League upon a squadron of warships, peaceably in the region of the Lesser Antilles.

This, in gross disrespect to Mali terriotorial claims, and in violation of international honor, cannot nor will be tolerated. Therefore, the following demands are made upon the Adriatic League

1. Withdrawl from all land so claimed by Mali.

2. Turning over of a equivlant fleet of Warships to replace those sunk by the Adriatic League.

Provided such terms are met, all land claims will remain as stated, and a "status quo" will be achieved.

Should the Adriatic League not agree to the above terms before the commencement of hostilities by Mali all claims of land in the New World will be voided and revert to Mali.

It is not Mali's wish to persue this war, but it is the wish of the nation-state to persue its intrest, and we cannot abide by such disrespectful interference in this matter.

(The article was subsequently signed by the the presiding Nobility in support of the Kings Proclamation)

Posted by The Capo on 28-03-2001 04:00:

It was a sweltering hot morning in the bogs of southern Louisiana, named so after the first Regent of Gaul. General Marino looked over his maps, over his notes, rubbing his forehead, how could something like this be real? He asked himself, he felt alone...

"General Marino?" asked a slender man, dressed in a corporal uniform, he was obviously Italian.
"Yes?" asked the General as he rose, he was an imposing man very large with a strong jaw.
"I am Corporal Benovento sir, I have been dispatched here from Palermo, here are my papers." he handed the General his dispatch papers, and surveyed the encampment "Quite muggy here." he said, noting the soldiers all out of uniform and sweating heavily.
"Yes, it is quite unbearable Corporal Benovento. So what is your purpose here, we already have our fill of Field Marshalls, we have our orders what are yours?" asked General Marino.
"I have orders from King Ferdinand, strict orders, I am here to make sure nothing goes awry, I am an ambassador as well as a soldier, I am of course of a lower rank and under your supervision General Marino." he nodded with a smile, and gave the general a salute.

General Marino entered his tent, tired of this life. He had been a soldier in the Adriatic army since he was a boy, he traveled the world, all over, from Scandinavia to Africa, battling various barbarian hordes. He was known as a hero, great with a sword, but he had never before commanded armies against another nation. He sat down in his chair and pulled out a peice of parchment, and began writing a letter to Santiago...

General DePalma,

My men are tired, they have worked like dogs in the sweltering heat of Louisiana. We are ill equiped and hardly manned for a war of this magnitude, Corporal Benovento has arrived at the behest of King Ferdinand. It seems as if though he is hear to watch over me rather than serve my needs, and they are quite extensive. We are out of food and we only have a small amount of troops in the theatre as it stands, if the Mali are as mighty as legend says we are in for a massacre! I trust in your Gen. DePalma to send troops and rations so that we may defend the honor of the Adriatic League. I have heard rumors that the Mongolians and Australians may join the Mali in destroying us here in the Americas, I wish to know what the status is with the various ambassadors appointed to those nations. I look at my men and feel sorry for them, are we marching them into glory or into slaughter?

General Marino


He looked over his message again, and folded it. He poured the wax on and stamped the ensign of the Adriatic army upon it. He stepped outside and called upon the messenger to bring his letter to the ship departing for Santiago. He looked into the dense wild forest and thought about his war, his future battles, "What will happen Giralomo?" he thought to himself "What will happen?"....

Posted by The Capo on 28-03-2001 11:16:

 

The city of Santiago was a ragged port town. Though it was a relatively new town in a new world, it was already hardened by the sea and by its rag-tag denizens. General DePalma sat upon his porch viewing the rolling ocean, the cool breaze upon his face was pleasant he smiled at the sun and at his life. Seemingly unaware of the war just miles away. "General DePalma, a message from-" said his servant Alberto.
"Alberto, just put it on the table there, I am quite tired." he said motioning towards his side table, which had grapes and bread upon it.
"Sir, it is a message from Marino in Louisiana, it should be urgent sir, the war and all..." trailed off the servant as he placed it upon the table.
"Alberto, read it to me." said the General.
"Sir I can not read." said the boy, obviously ashamed.
"You can not read Alberto?" asked the General, rising in his chair.
"No sir, I never learned, I didn't have time to go to school I had always been at work, we were poor General, I apologize for not having told you this-" said the boy, pleading.
"It is quite alright Alberto, sit please sit, I shall read the message to you." the boy hesitantly took a seat on the floor as the old General broke the seal and read the letter...

General DePalma looked stunned at the letter, he looked to the horizon, then back at the boy sitting on the floor. The boy was dressed sparsely, obviously poor, he was a Spaniard. For the first time in his career DePalma had felt scared, looking into the wide eyes of that young boy as he heard the letter. "General, what will come of Marino's men?" he asked, sounding as worried as DePalma has ever heard anyone.
"I don't know Alberto, they are in Louisiana, in a swamp, being bittin by mosquitos, there are crocodiles and leaches, swamp gas, diseases..." he stopped talking and looked down at the paper "They are under-manned, and ill-equipped, I can do nothing Alberto."
"What about King Ferdinand, is he not as strong as the Lion of Venice? Will he not prevail?" asked the boy.
"I don't know Alberto, it is a sad situation." he stood up and began pacing, intently staring at the ground.
"Why is there war General? Why do the Mali and Adriatics fight?" the young Spaniard asked.
"Because Alberto, when people want something and someone else tries to take it, they will fight over it." explained the General.
"But why? Why can't they share?" asked the boy.
"You do not understand, it is the way of the world." said the General.
"To fight?" asked the boy.
"Yes Alberto, to fight." said the General, folding the letter and placing it in his belt "When things don't go according to plan people revert to the sword Alberto, you will learn this when you become a soldier one day."
"But what is wrong with sharing the land General, why does King Ferdinand fight the Mali?" asked the boy, the General seemed annoyed.
"Because Alberto, the King can not be treated with disrespect, it is not proper. Nations must treat eachother fairly and accordingly, the Mali threatened us, and we responded. We want peace, we are offering peace now, but the Mali won't have it, they want more, they want to steal our land, they want to kill us, they want blood." said the General harshly.
"I understand sir, do you require anything?" asked the boy as he stood up.
"Alberto, I have a letter I must write for General Marino, when I finish please take it down to the pier, you may then take the rest of the day off." said the General.
"Thank you General DePalma...."

Posted by GNGSpam on 28-03-2001 14:56:

General Intiative #33

To All Loyal Forces of King Rahim Abdul the Third within the New World

As so ordered by his Royal Highness


All forces under the nominal command of Shareef al Quana are order south with haste to dispose of the insurgent forces of the Adriatic League and secure the region for the Glory of Mali.

Posted by sekong on 29-03-2001 01:15:

On a sunny morning, a ship arrived Aussie Summa quitely. A young man stepped out the ship, speaking to an aussie soldier approaching to him: "I'm a Mongol diplomat came from Verona. I'm carrying an important message to Australia Consul, Mr. Keating. I want to meet the Mayor."

In the Town Hall, the Mongol diplomat handed the Mayor a sealed package. "Here is a letter from our Consul Tuo Lei, and a map of new world. Please send it to Mr. Keating as soon as possible."

"Consul Tuo Lei?"

"Yes, like our allies Chinese and Australia, our country have changed to Republic Goverment as well. It's decided by the Mongol all tribes meeting this year. Our King War4ever had retired. The all Mongol tribes Meeting voted Lord Tuo Lei as our new leader."

"Oh, I see. OK I will send the package to our Consul soon." The Mayor called up a soldier and aske him to carry the package to Canberra right away. Then he turned back to the Mongol diplomat: "How is the new world exploring of Mongol?"

"It's pretty exciting. We have met Malian there. Rumor said our neighbor Adriatican is also arround there. And seems they had sneak attacked the Malian. Our Consul is very concerned. In his letter, he asked Mr. Keating about his oppion about this. And wish to get more information about new world from Australian. Are there anything I can bring back?"

"Yes, I just received a new up-to-date map. You can bring back."

"Ok see you then."

"Take care."

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