More evidence that a woman's word is sacred in court

[DinoDoc]

You can't see any reason why she wouldn't want to go to trial in an attempt to put an innocent person in prison? Like the massive hassle of going to trial, the risk that people won't believe her, and the guilt from putting an innocent person in jail? All that just so no one will call her a slut when probably no one cared about it until she claimed it was rape? Really?

Generally the rate for unfounded rape allegations is ~8% according to the FBI.

[loinburger]

Edit: Question answered

[Al B. Sure!]

My question is where was the evidence of conviction?

Last time I posted a thread on the Brian Banks case, I was told that the conviction rate for rape is low because a lot of cases wind up as 'he said, she said' without any evidence.

Here, there was no evidence but 'she said'. And yet, conviction.

Explain please.

[H Tower]

the vagaries of a jury trial, ineptitude of the defending lawyer, the defendant was a jackass, judge is a man hating **** who swung the case the prosecutor's way, the fact that multiple women came forward with similar stories. Could be any, all of those things.

[giblets]

Tell that to Brian Banks. Tell him and his accuser who admitted lying (and faced no charges for doing so) that it's not realistic.

Of course people will lie for money. You haven't any such reason why the testimony (given by multiple people!) in this particular case is unreliable aside from your belief that women will accuse people of rape if they regret having sex or it doesn't meet their expectations.

[-Jrabbit]

Typical of Alby -- drawing massive, blanket conclusions based on a single anecdotal incident.
In his world, the fact that one guy gets falsely convicted of rape = all women claiming rape are liars and sluts.

Seriously, buy some perspective, man. I think they sell it on the Internet.

[Ben Kenobi]

There's a what, 64/10000 chance that both of these unrelated women are lying?

Albie, you're willing to die on a hill for those odds?

[Lefty Scaevola]

Of course all you twit laymen are missing the real problem in the case, the photo identification with no other corroboration. If combined with less than stellar procedure for the photo line up, and this "police showed them a photo of the Cowboys basketball team" if accurate, indicates piss poor procedure, generates a large majority of false convictions. Damn near every false conviction uncovered in Texas was made this way, and a large portion of those rape and sexual assault cases. A state commission has been cracking down on unreliable evidence procedure such as this for a few years.

[Kidlicious]

Woman is horny
Woman has sexual relations
Woman doesn't want to be called a slut/doesn't like the sexual relations
Woman lies about rape


Not seeing how a woman wouldn't lie...

Do you think women would rather be known as a rape victim than someone who had sex?

[Zevico]

I've seen these "he said she said" cases in practice Albie and my firm has acted for defendants. It ain't so, and I'll bet you it ain't so in America either. Juries are generally quite sensible. They have the opportunity to mull over the facts and examine the witnesses. We don't.

Over here the cases that hit the headlines are just the famous ones--the ones that make for a good story to tell, that reflect either an error or a terrible crime. But most cases aren't famously controversial or wrong. Take these hypotheses about sacredness with a grain of salt and ask yourself, using your own knowledge of society and how people think, whether a jury would just slam the jail cell on someone on the basis of a "mere" accusation. It's never this simple.

[Zevico]

Even in this case it's not one woman giving evidence but two of a similar act at the same party, neither of whom appears to have known the other.

Of course all you twit laymen are missing the real problem in the case, the photo identification with no other corroboration. If combined with less than stellar procedure for the photo line up, and this "police showed them a photo of the Cowboys basketball team" if accurate, indicates piss poor procedure, generates a large majority of false convictions. Damn near every false conviction uncovered in Texas was made this way, and a large portion of those rape and sexual assault cases. A state commission has been cracking down on unreliable evidence procedure such as this for a few years.

the ID procedure is not unsound if it was known that basketball players from that team were at the party-and he was at the party, he seems to admit that. There's no express admission of that in the article but he did give a statement to police that he didn't know what happened in the basement where this allegedly occurred. Most likely that's the case because he admitted to being at the party itself but denied being in the basement.

[Zevico]

There's a what, 64/10000 chance that both of these unrelated women are lying?

Albie, you're willing to die on a hill for those odds?

This.

[michtreme]

I can't judge any of them because I don't know what happened. I just hope the truth comes out and they punished the right person.

[MikeH]

the rape conviction rates (if you take into account those cases that don't go to trial) suggests that a woman's word is worth almost nothing in court and even with enough other evidence to go to court the conviction rates are low.

[Al B. Sure!]

the rape conviction rates (if you take into account those cases that don't go to trial) suggests that a woman's word is worth almost nothing in court and even with enough other evidence to go to court the conviction rates are low.

Explain this case, then. Explain Brian Banks. Explain what appears to keep happening.

And it's not that these are high profile cases. These are stories broke by ESPN because the defendants were athletes. What about all the stories that ESPN doesn't report on?