Official: CyCon negotiations

[Snowflake]

The following proposal has not be delivered to the CC, would like to have some feedbacks quick. Thanks!

Hive CyCon Diplomatic Proposal

Based on the following information of facts:
1. Hive will complete Ecological Engineering in turn 2150
2. CyCon is planning going into war against PEACE in turn 2150
3. PUT is currently researching Environmental Economics and is expected to finish it soon
4. The game is now PEACE turn 2148, it will be followed by Drones 2149, before it is Hive’s 2149 turn, and followed by PUT 2149 turn and CC 2149 turn.

The Hive proposed the following trading / cooperations with the CyCons

1. Trade Ecological Engineering with Environmental Economics:

CyCon will try to obtain ecological engineering from the PUT. If confirmation that such a trade is secured reaches the Hive before the Hive 2149 turn, the Hive will lower its tech research rate so that it will not complete ecological engineering in turn 2150. Then in CyCon 2149 turn, CyCon perform the trade with PUT. In CC 2150 turn CC will complete the trade with PUT and give Eco Eng to the Hive preaccepted. In Hive 2151 turn, Hive will accept the trade, switch to Env Eco and finish it. In the same turn Hive will give Env Eco to CC pre-accepted.

2. Trade Gene Splicing with Secrete of Human Brain and Neural Grafting

The Hive realize that the CC is in need of Gene Splicing and do not have the ability of producing prototyped units for the Hive in the near future. Therefore the Hive bring you an alternative proposal for trading of Gene Splicing with Secrete of Human Brain and Neural Grafting. If CyCon could try to obtain SHB from the PUT (if CC doesn’t have the tech already) the Hive will send CC Gene Splicing pre-accepted once the tech is available for trade. In the same turn CC will send SHB to Hive. CC will research Neural Grafting next and give it to Hive upon completion.

3. Upon a more definitive discloser of the CC’s war plan the Hive will deliver the PEACE infiltration information that are desired by CC in its entirety.

4. The Hive agrees if PUT declares war on CC it will declare war on PUT, with the understanding that this is more of a gesture than a real was since the Hive currently don't have the attacking technology and units to wage a real war. If the CC will provide information regarding what attacking tech and/or unit it could trade with the Hive, the Hive will be receptive to discussions regarding further cooperation.

5. If needed by the CC the Hive will donate some units or some energy credits to help CC with its war effort.


The Hive hopes this package demonstrates our intention of a deeper relationship and cooperation with the CyCons. We believe this proposal is mutually beneficial for both factions and hope that the CyCons will prove this at the earliest possible time. As it is now, time is of the essential. For the deal to go through and bring the anticipated results, decisions have to be made quick and details have to be conducted assiduously. If this cooperation goes through, we believe it will significantly increase the strength of both our factions.

[Snowflake]

What we will gain from this:
1. We will finish restriction lifting beeline
2. We will gain SHB and NG toward beeline to MMI
The other terms are mainly sweeteners that are added so that CC will feel worthy to agree to reseach NG for us

What CC gains from this:
1. They will get all restriction lifing techs (vs only one from PUT)
2. They will get PEACE infiltration info for their war

[Snowflake]

One thing still need to be checked. That is if we lower ec allocation to reseach we will be able to delay reseach to 2151. I have to do so after 10 hours. So if somebody have time before that could you please check this? Appreciated!

[Snowflake]

Message from Impaler:

Greatings Hivarian Diplomate HongHu. The Conciouness central trade computers have completed anaysis of tenative tec/pact trading between our factions which may alow you to get both Eco Eng and a second tec (Bio-Engingering or Environmental Economics) and a Pact with us by 2152. Would you care to discusse it further in our MIRC chat room #cycon?

[Snowflake]

My reply

I have tried to enter the chat room but was not able to get in. I believe it is because the firework here at work. Do you have any suggestions? I also can't use MSN here. So the options that we can talk is really limited. In fact the only one thing I see we can do is to post in the embassy voy forum. I know it is not a good place for chatting but I don't have any other suggestions.

I was hoping to talk to you guys last night through MSN but wasn't able to find you. I have also finalized a proposal to you and posted it in Hive forum. I was planning to give it to you this afternoon. Now I'm thinking maybe I will give you the draft and let you see how this is going with the understanding that it is still not officially approved.

I will copy the proposal to you, Manic and Drogue.

[Snowflake]

I have received communication from Function Impaler. To facilitate the discussion I am sending you a draft proposal from the Hive. Please note that the following proposal has not been officially approved.

(Proposal omitted, it is the same as I posted above.)

[Micha]

Well, although I don´t like telling them we cannot go to war now (Why should they send us the techs then, we can´t do anything if they fool us) I like the idea of getting two techs instead of one with just one year delay.

So I would approve the proposal.

[Snowflake]

It is a good point although I think it is too their benefit not to cheat on us. For they would need to send us eco eng pre accepted and relying us to give them the env eco to them next turn. If they cheat us on the other trade (Gene vs SHB and NG) then we only lose NG and is not that worse off.

[Snowflake]

It is a good point although I think it is to their benefit not to cheat on us. For they would need to send us eco eng pre accepted and relying us to give them the env eco to them next turn. If they cheat us on the other trade (Gene vs SHB and NG) then we only lose NG and is not that worse off.

[Micha]

Originally posted by HongHu
I have tried to enter the chat room but was not able to get in. I believe it is because the firework here at work.

I have heard about the famous Chinese fireworks, but I didn´t know they also jam internet transmissions...

I think you mean a firewall (Or you have a really great job )

[Snowflake]

yes we are having fireworks in celebration of the completion of the filing.

[Snowflake]

I forgot to post this one from earlier today. Posted by Impalor in the embassy.

The Hive might be able to delay its research by shifting nearly all energy to Econ/Pych so as to generate no points.

If we can get a deal form Uni and we recive some form of Confirmation before the Hive plays its 49 turn then the Hive can slow down research in 49, then the Cycons recive Eco Eng in 49 and sends it to the Hive. Then in 50 the hive will be very close to but not yet completing Eco Eng and can successfull tec switch and grab another tec, return energy alocations to normal and get its next tec likly in 51.

This will all depend on us getting the Uni trade agreement before the Hive lowers research in 49. It would help us know how hard we can Bargin if the Hive could inform us of what Uni is currently researching.

[Snowflake]

A second part from Impalor posted a couple minutes ago.

Here is the second stage Cycon Plan, hopefully to be melded with what ever Plan HongHu has come up with (who knows maybe its the same thing as I haven't seen her's yet). Note this plan is not official. We are eager for all of the things in this plan to happen but I have not run the specifics past the rest of the Conciusness yet.


Hive 49 - Lowers its tec acumulation enough to delay Eco Eng untill 2152
Uni 49 - Offers Cycon Eco Eng (unaccepted)
Cycon 49 - Counter offers our pacage which is still being negotiated, then accept the deal.
Hive 50 - dose NOT get Eco Eng as they otherwise would have
Uni 50 - Accepts our offer
Cycon 50 - Recive Eco Eng from Uni and send it to Hive Pre Accepted
Hive 51 - Recives Eco Eng and raises it reserach back to normal rates, Switches to a new reserach Goal and completes it next turn.
Hive 52 - Completes reserch in next tec and sends it and a Pact offer pre accepted to us.
Cycon 52 - We accept Pact and the tec.


This gets us a lot of what we want, Hive can have an extra tec, the Pact and we get Eco Eng and the tec you researched (which I asume would be Environmental Economics). Uni only recives Aplied Physics (and we ofcorse wont be discussing the Hive portion of the trade with them, only the Cycon-Uni portions). We realize that you basicaly loss 2 turns worth of research but in exchange you get a whole extra tec which easily translates to many turns of advancment. Thus we would be sending Eco Eng pre-accepted to you and then recipricate with the tec and Pact.

This plan hinges on us getting Uni to offer in 49 and accept in 50. If that were to fall through (due to unreasonable requests on Uni's part) then we would ofcorse imediatly report that to you so you loss as little research as possible.

Mean whial we will be squizing in the units you desired soon and sending them too you, most likly about when the pact is going through. You requested Cruisers and Amphibious Pods which will require 2 units (as cruiser cant have pods).

[Snowflake]

My reply

Feedback:

The first trade is almost exactly as what I proposed. My proposal require more assidulous work but will enable both of us getting the tech 1 turn early.

For the second part regarding prototype units, the Hive has changed its mind upon knowing your situation (production aimed war preparation). We now believe that it is more benieficial to us to get the NG instead so that we could persue Bioengineering and get clean formers (and perhaps another SP ). The Hive is still in the builder path so the cruiser and pods are actually not very much in need right now.

[Snowflake]

Message from Impaler:

Cycon Comunicay

Your proposals sound excelent HongHu, I belive the Conciousness will be eager to initiate the high level of cooperation you propose.

One tecnical detail. You described the Hive completing its research in 2151 rather then 52 as I originaly proposed. Perhaps you know more about PBEM then I do. Is the diplomatic situation resolved first alowing the tec to be switched on the same turn that it is to complete? I assumed that if the tec is being completed in 51 then this would happen first and you would be left accepting a tec you now HAVE and our plans are moot (you seem to imply this is possible but it depends on the turn player doing things in the correct order). If this is infact possible then it is more advantagous to us both, but it puts a great responsibility on the turn player. Completion in 52 would be fool proof as on the turn you accept Eco Eng you are still 1 turn away from completion and incressing your output that turn just gets you WAY over the required points to complete.

I will post your PM on our forums, I sugjest you also sugjest you place in on the Cycon/Hive forum and use duplicate or even Triplicate PM's to Manic and Drogue (who is tecnicaly our External Affairs Function, I dont want him to think I am usurping his position).