Comprehensive Feature List in Conquests

Panag · September 7, 2003, 09:45

Originally posted by sabrewolf
i don't think so. victory is victory.

all you could do is turn off the victory conditions and try to get them (e.g. have a UN vote, win it, and continue on playing).
it's just a bit difficult to know, if you've reached the domination or culture victory limit.

hi ,

, who knows what lays ahead with the new c3c editor , .......

this really would be a great feature

have a nice day

The_Aussie_Lurker · September 8, 2003, 21:29

My great hope is that the "Changes to Diplomacy", mooted by Firaxis, go far, FAR beyond simply the ability to "Lock Diplomatic Stances", and changes to trade map and communications techs!!!

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker

PLATO · September 10, 2003, 00:07

Besides the 9 Conquest scenarios featured in Civ Conquests, there are plenty of changes to the Epic Game (i.e., your standard, random map, 4000 BC-until-everything-on-the-map-is-your-color games).

Most all of the new additions are introduced in the Conquests themselves, though some of the changes are brand new to the Epic Game, like the Scientific Great Leaders, the new City Specialists (Civil engineers and policemen), and a few tweaks to the tech tree.

Best,
Jeff Foley
Atari

This was posted here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=96206

For the Epic Game he is confirming just 9 scenarios, Scientific Great Leaders, Civil Engineers (City Specialist) and Policemen(City Specialist)

Also confirming changes to the tech tree. Any info on this anybody?

statusperfect · September 10, 2003, 02:53

Originally posted by PLATO
Also confirming changes to the tech tree. Any info on this anybody?

map trading with navigation

sommunication trding with printing press

... we can just pray for a more fun modern era

G'Kar · September 10, 2003, 22:55

Originally posted by civman2000
The pikeman thing looks like a portuguese UU...

diplomacy changes will slow down development/exploration a lot.

I have no clue as to nationality, but I'm betting the superpike is 1/3/2 so it can keep up with knights. My second guess would be 1/4/1 to make it (essentially) an early musketman.

G'Kar · September 10, 2003, 22:57

Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker
My great hope is that the "Changes to Diplomacy", mooted by Firaxis, go far, FAR beyond simply the ability to "Lock Diplomatic Stances", and changes to trade map and communications techs!!!

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker

A Firaxian talked about changes to the UN to make it more realistic but offered no details. We can only hope.

Spiffor · September 11, 2003, 05:09

Originally posted by Defcon5
A Firaxian talked about changes to the UN to make it more realistic but offered no details. We can only hope.

Since they have dropped talking about it for quite some time now, I think they scrapped the idea. Especially since the "UN" victory is enabled in the Shogun scenario.

akikonomu · September 11, 2003, 07:56

Spiffor, you mentioned that Map trading has been moved to navigation, and Communications trading to Printing Press.

This is a drastic change to basic gameplay, so I'm a little puzzled. Is there any link to an official preview or announcement that says exactly this? The Firaxis CTC page only lists "locked alliances" under diplomacy changes.

sabrewolf · September 11, 2003, 08:50

spiffor

there are some things you can add to your first post:

(from civ3.com on the c3c features-page)
More Civilizations: Seven new powerful civilizations from the innovative Sumerians to the mystical Mayans.

sumerians are innovative ==> scientific
mystical mayans ==> religious

G'Kar · September 11, 2003, 18:57

Originally posted by Spiffor

Since they have dropped talking about it for quite some time now, I think they scrapped the idea. Especially since the "UN" victory is enabled in the Shogun scenario.

Well that's bad news; but thanks for the thread btw.

Spiffor · September 13, 2003, 23:11

Sabrewolf:
Thanks, but I prefer to wait and have sure info. What you say is very plausible, but I prefer to have 100% sure info, rather than 99% sure

Merepatra · September 13, 2003, 23:26

Originally posted by Spiffor
Sabrewolf:
Thanks, but I prefer to wait and have sure info. What you say is very plausible, but I prefer to have 100% sure info, rather than 99% sure

Or 50% sure

I would guess that those descriptions were chosen because of how they sound rather than looking at the actual traits.

Panag · September 14, 2003, 11:18

Originally posted by Spiffor
Sabrewolf:
Thanks, but I prefer to wait and have sure info. What you say is very plausible, but I prefer to have 100% sure info, rather than 99% sure

hi ,

well aint CFC planning a chat or something one of these days , ......

fire your Q's away there , .........

have a nice day

G'Kar · September 14, 2003, 16:34

Originally posted by panag
well aint CFC planning a chat or something one of these days , ......

fire your Q's away there , .........

The CFC chat was rescheduled to Sept. 23.

Panag · September 14, 2003, 16:43

Civilization III: Conquests News Interview
Manveer 'Eidolon' Heir :: 03:00 AM @ Thursday, September 11th, 2003 :: In-House: Interviews
If you haven't ever heard of Firaxis Games then you are worst Turn Based Strategy gamer evar!!!11oneone. (Sorry) Today we are talking with Jesse Smith who is the assistant producer at the best Turn Based Strategy developer around. We brought up the topic of the latest expansion pack for Civilization III and he just wouldn't stop talking about it. Luckily we consider ourselves editors and started writing down what he was saying. Read On...
GameGossip: What is new in Civilization III: Conquests? What are some of the conquests gamers will be able to play?

Jesse Smith: Our #1 goal has been to give more Civ to all of the Civ III owners out there! Civilization Conquests is a great addition to Civ3 because it allows fans to experience Civilization in a more realistic historical context. We have recreated some of the most exciting and critical moments in the history of mankind. Nine new conquests are included, beginning with Mesopotamia and leading all the way up to World War II. Each Conquest is fully customized to their historical setting including new tech trees, civilizations, map features, wonders and units, and provides players with new Civ gameplay challenges and surprises – you’ll find locked alliances in the World War II Conquest, volcanoes, rain forests and special abilities like stealth attack and ritual sacrifice in the Mesoamerica Conquest and the Enkidu Warrior and the Three-Man Chariot in the Mesopotamia Conquest. These conquests offer a faster-paced Civ experience and challenge players to employ new strategies and tactics. In addition to these conquests we have also added a lot to the core game with 7 new civs, 2 new civ types, new wonders, more government types, and even two new difficulty levels. So essentially, there’s something for every Civ fan in this expansion!
GG: Why the decision to make a second expansion for Civilization III? Were there features you weren’t able to fit into Civilization III: Play the World, that the development team felt warranted a whole new expansion?
JS: When it comes to new features, there's always room for more. Especially when you're talking about something as huge as Civilization!! With Conquests, we decided that going deeper into individual periods in history would be an interesting and fun way to present Civilization.
GG: One of the problems with Play the World was that multiplayer games took a very long time. What are you doing in Conquests to shorten the time needed to play a multiplayer game?
JS: Multiplayer has been a big focus for us. We are including with the game a variety of civ-matches along with the Conquests, that will allow players to prove their skills with games lasting between 2-5 hours – much easier to play a game within that time frame than to play an “epic” game that can last 20-30 hours. This has allowed us to focus on creating Multiplayer experiences that will have players coming back to the battlefield in no time. Take Locked Alliances as an example. We’ve created 2v2v2v2 or 3vs3 or 2vs2 maps so that players can fight it out as a team.
GG: How have you improved the map editor in Conquests?
JS: We have updated the map editor to include more control over the rules of the game and have given players the tools to create their own Conquests. Specifically, some of the items that have been added are Disasters, Locked Alliances, More Victory Point options, a Fog of War tool, new abilities, and so on. The new functionality is highlighted within the Conquests.
GG: Why do you think gamers should go out and pick up Conquests when it comes out?
JS: The biggest reason to buy Civ III:Conquests is that this extensive expansion will deliver more than 50 additional hours of top-notch gameplay to Civ owners around the world! Civilization has always been about playing a huge expansive game through time. The random map created a fresh and new experience that challenged players to create new strategies for victory each time they played. With Civ III:Conquests, the more you play, the more you learn the map and the tech tree – so then it’s a race against yourself to tech faster, expand quicker, go for that stone and iron deposit sooner, or perform an early assault on your neighbor. Now it’s not only “just one more turn”, it’s also “what if I tried this instead”! With Conquests games lasting between 2 and 5 hours it is easy to get sucked into playing another match… and that’s what makes Civ III: Conquests so much fun!
Thanks for your time Jesse, glad to see you aboard at Firaxis. For those of you that want to learn more about Civ Conquests you can visit the Official Site. Or ask someone who knows about the game, but please for the love of god, stop consulting the EB sales clerks. They scare me.

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hi ,

found this there >>> http://www.gamegossip.com/comment.php?id=1712

have a nice day

ixnay · September 17, 2003, 11:40

Summary of the most important new info from civ3.com:

Governments:
Facsism: http://www.civ3.com/images/screensho...ests/misc2.jpg

Feudalism: http://www.civ3.com/images/screensho...ests/misc1.jpg

Terrain:
Marshes: http://www.civ3.com/images/screensho...ests/misc4.jpg

Volcano: http://www.civ3.com/images/screensho...ests/misc3.jpg

LIST OF CAMPAIGNS http://www.civ3.com/images/screensho...ests/misc5.jpg

Mesopotamia
Rise of Rome
Fall of Rome
Middle Ages
Mesoamerica
Age of Discovery
Sengoku
Napoleonic Wars
WW2 in the Pacific

Statue of Zeus: http://www.civ3.com/images/screensho...ests/misc6.jpg

statusperfect · September 17, 2003, 12:48

sabrewolf · September 17, 2003, 12:56

wow, fascism looks really powerful!
who cares about pop-losses if you've got 200% production

... combine it with mobilization and you've got the ultimate war machine.
makes communism even more useless...

i don't like volcanoes not having food. lava-based land is extremely fertile iirc.

statue of zeus: does anyone know what are the stats of an "ancient cavalry"?

Myrddin · September 17, 2003, 14:02

But note the subtle culture changes for Fascism

No culture generated until your population is in the majority

It is not clear whether this applies to all governements or just Fascism, but you are either stuck with 1radius boundaries for your captured cities (and a need for heavy garrisons) or you will have to starve them right down and rebuild them

Bleyn · September 17, 2003, 14:09

Communism isn't completely useless. I've found that when you've got a fairly well developed central region, and a large newly conquered area that needs lots of development, Communism is a good way to go. It minimizes the corruption in those outlying areas better than any choice currently. Admittedly its hard to say how Fascism will stack up in that same situation, but I suspect Communism may still be a viable choice for certain situations.

Oh and I'm pretty sure the Worker efficiency number is purely the construction rate for Worker units in doing tile improvements. It won't effect the building speed for city improvements and units.

The one that really strikes me is Feudalism. Am I reading it right? No Maintainence cost for city improvements?!? And the inverted unit support structure is funky. It definitely makes Feudalism a small nation choice.

I can see why volcano would be No food. One, its still a mountain. Two, its representing an Active volcano. Their nasty habit of spewing lava or launching really hot rocks a few miles or ash or the occasional burp of a giant cloud of CO2 or carbon monoxide or other noxious gases would tend to put a damper on agriculture. Oh sure, people will still do it, but average productivity isn't gonna be very high.

As for Zeus, what's a Tourist Attraction? Is it some twist on culture or is it commerce related?

statusperfect · September 17, 2003, 14:09

Originally posted by sabrewolf
statue of zeus: does anyone know what are the stats of an "ancient cavalry"?

i bet it's a new unit

there will be more to this expansion than i first thought

statusperfect · September 17, 2003, 14:12

Originally posted by Bleyn
As for Zeus, what's a Tourist Attraction? Is it some twist on culture or is it commerce related?

As time goes by those wonder generate commerce because they draw tourism to them

Myrddin · September 17, 2003, 14:20

I assume 'Temple of Zeus' and 'Knights Templar' will produce for your civilization either Horsemen/Knights or whatever UU your civilisation has that replaces it

If this wonder ability can be tailored in the editor, how about a super-wonder producing a modern armour every turn?

Bleyn · September 17, 2003, 15:35

Every turn would be a bit powerful don't you think? Maybe every three turns.

And I sure hope there's a way to turn off these unit producing wonders or they'ld eventually break the bank just from maintainence costs.

statusperfect · September 17, 2003, 16:09

Originally posted by Bleyn
Every turn would be a bit powerful don't you think? Maybe every three turns.

And I sure hope there's a way to turn off these unit producing wonders or they'ld eventually break the bank just from maintainence costs.

You can always disband units converting them to shields

CiverDan · September 17, 2003, 21:42

I just hope Fascism dont become another version of Fundamentalism. Lets examine the traits more closely

Forced Labor only for improvements: Most improvements are built in your cities by this time. Besides, so what if I pop-rush a size 26 city 2-3 times anyways, I'm not goning to have much problem with happiness. It makes captured cities almost useless though, after the pop losses from the attacking process, and from capturing and starving, you are not going to have much pop to rush with, and you wont be generating any culture for while. End result: all cities will just be razed and rebuilt by human players.

number of free units: most all ones cities will be metropolises by now, so thats 10 units per city. Note that this is the same number Fundamentalism in Civ 2 had. This is too high. 400 free units if you have 40 cities is too much IMHO. It wont be as imbalancing as in Civ 2 due to units costing gold and not shields, but still...

Merepatra · September 17, 2003, 22:42

Don't forget about the "Your cities lose population points upon a change to a Fascist government". That is definitely another drawback to changing to a Fascist government.

And of course some of the other Governments could have changes too.....

Kaos XIII · September 17, 2003, 23:01

Originally posted by Merepatra
And of course some of the other Governments could have changes too.....

Now that's good to hear, or read, whatever.

So when are we going to read about, unit trading?

The Napoleonic Scenario sounds very cool!

I can't wait to get into FASCIST MODE.

Louis XXIV · September 17, 2003, 23:32

I hope they do something for Communism. Right now I only see it as a gov for religious civs who switch govs between war and peace, but don't want to loose pop from facism (you would have to be crazy to constantly switch in and out of Facism).

LordVipper · September 17, 2003, 23:50

on the tourist atraction thing,i can only think that it will be something like this:when a wonder becomes absolete or after a set amount of turns it will produce commerce.just a thought though