It's a reference to the 12 Tribes of Isreal, symbol of a strong union.
there was also another interpretation IIRC
Meaning of the EU flag
What is the meaning of the EU flag?
The stars do NOT represent the individual member states, since officially the EU flag only has 12 stars, not 15 (nor 25 soon). 12 stars were also shown in pre EU days when the EC had less than 12 states.
Protestant wackos believe it represents the Virgin Mary (and with it, allegiance to the Catholic church), and/or it's a reference to Revelations 12:1 (or something like that). Of course, the EU is the New Roman Empire, ruled the anti-christ (Pope), and the evidence (apart from the supposed meaning of the flag) is that it's founding treaty is the Treaty of Rome, the absence of God in the draft Constitution, the rapid secularisation in European societies, and of course the Vatican (also in Rome) deciding to adopt the euro.
Utter bullcrap of course.
But what exactly is the real meaning of the flag? I always believed each star repressented a single member nation, but that's not the case (12 stars, 15 members). Does someone have some information on this?
Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit
It's a reference to the 12 Tribes of Isreal, symbol of a strong union.
there was also another interpretation IIRC
The founding members of the Union in 1992/1993 were 12. Convenient as the symbol was taken from the Council of Europe, which had it also based on its 12 founding members back in the 1950s, IIRC.
“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)
It's a reference to the 12 Tribes of Isreal
the 12 tribes of Israel? for real?
The founding members of the Union in 1992/1993 were 12.
I believe the EC also used the same flag before 1992, and before it had 12 members.
Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit
If they used it before, it wasn't official. But you're right, they adopted in 1986 already, but just as it were 12.
http://www.europa.eu.int/abc/symbols...m/index_en.htm
“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)
so why didn't they change it to 15?
Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit
Because 12 is a symbol of perfection, and the old Council of Europe flag with its 12 stars has become a symbol for european integration.
“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)
Sounds fair enough, but I wish you had something to show the number of states currently in the empire.
Like....
That's a crap idea Az!
But better than the OTHER idea about the flag...
I love Az's Idea.
Arabic numbers and their multiplication logic are much more rational than stars and their addition logic.
Do we want to end up with a cluttered flag like the Yanks ? No.
The Arabic number is extremely elegant, and will be convenient once the EU spans on the whole world (except Turkey)
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they should change the colours . yellow and blue is a hideous combination
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I think those two colours go well with eachother.
I think these are better :
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vetlegion had once made a nice one on the same idea. It was red and inside, with futuristic letters, the word "Eurocoms".
It's a reference to the thirteen original states of America minus Delaware, because Europe is united in it's hatred towards Delaware.
"Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
"That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world
And for good reason.
the first 12 were the good members. The new ones are scum.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Because 12 is a symbol of perfection, and the old Council of Europe flag with its 12 stars has become a symbol for european integration.
Why not 12 stripes for the founding members and than stars for each current member.
Originally posted by Gangerolf
they should change the colours . yellow and blue is a hideous combination
Navy Blue and Gold!
Is it true that original members of Poly continue to get posts for OT?
maybe they chose blue and yellow because none of the member countries had that colour combination in their flags
the flag should be red, white & blue - the colours of freedom
CSPA
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I think we have a winner
CSPA
other suggestions?
CSPA
I stille prefer mine. Red and Gold are the colours any real flag should have.
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis
you're a commie?
CSPA
I still prefer Stefu's helicopter-flag!
Number of countries the US single-handedly saved in WW2.
Yes.Originally posted by Gangerolf
you're a commie?
I still prefer Stefu's helicopter-flag!
What's that ?
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