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    Wern't X-wings better than Tie fighters
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    Er... yeah, that's what I said. The alliance fighters were better.

    Tie Fighters don't even have shields.
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    Sorry I thought you meant troops.
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    Ah.

    Apparently Stormtroopers are highly trained and very effective but I never saw them hit anything but a bunch of Jawas and Luke's aunt and uncle.
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    The USS Enterprise D would have kicked Hoth's a**!

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    Originally posted by MikeH
    Ah.

    Apparently Stormtroopers are highly trained and very effective but I never saw them hit anything but a bunch of Jawas and Luke's aunt and uncle.
    Yea they always miss. The droids are much more effective at combat.
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    Considering they are all Jango fett clones, they could have done better although tehy kick rebel ass in the opeoning scence in Ep 4
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    Ah, yes. Good point, I forgot that bit. They look a lot cooler as well, which is always very important.
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    As long as you aren't posted any where near Han Solo or Luke skywalker I bet being a stormtooper would be a good laugh
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    Hard to go to the toilet in a hurry though with all that armour on.
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    Re: Could Hoth's 4th panzer have accomplished its mission had it not been diverted?

    Originally posted by Lancer
    Could Hoth's 4th panzer have accomplished its mission had it not been diverted?
    An academic question. If it had not been diverted the attack on Moscow would have been slower. Stalingrad is a helluva lot further than 2 weeks advance.

    No, IMHO.
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    Originally posted by MikeH
    Hard to go to the toilet in a hurry though with all that armour on.
    Even today's spacesuits have sanitary facilities. You'd think the SW equivalent was a bit more high tech.
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    I doubt it. They were treated as disposable cannon-fodder. I suspect the Imperial policy on such matters was something along the lines of "If they go before combat, they'll be dead before they need to go again."
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    IIRC the calamari capital ships were adapted from their peacetime vessels - so they were naturally smaller and less powerful than a custom built Imperial alternative.

    Storm Trooper strategy seemed to be keep throwing troops at the enemy until they run out of juice for their guns. No wonder they didnt have enough troops to control the whole empire at the end.

    And why with a high-tech empire, could no-one make a gun that actually shot straight? the accuracy ratio in SW must be about 5% of all shots fired hitting their intended target - if that..

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    Two notes about Lucas' direction of SW movies:-

    1) The spaceship explosions in the original trilogy were clearly not filmed in a vacuum. It makes me laugh to this day to see them.

    2) The laser bolt effects he uses are very much like modren day tracer fire. They are certainly totally unlike laser beams, which travel at light speed (of course).

    Are you guys still convinced about this space opera?
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    I'd say yes.
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    Originally posted by Cruddy
    Are you guys still convinced about this space opera?
    Yup, my Suspension of Disbelief gene is still in good working order. If I wanted good science, then I'd fall asleep reading a textbook rather than watch a Science Fiction film.
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    Originally posted by Demerzel
    IIRC the calamari capital ships were adapted from their peacetime vessels - so they were naturally smaller and less powerful than a custom built Imperial alternative.

    Storm Trooper strategy seemed to be keep throwing troops at the enemy until they run out of juice for their guns. No wonder they didnt have enough troops to control the whole empire at the end.

    And why with a high-tech empire, could no-one make a gun that actually shot straight? the accuracy ratio in SW must be about 5% of all shots fired hitting their intended target - if that..
    Some Mon Cal vessels were converted cruise ships, others, such as the winged MC80 series, were designed from the keel up to be warships. While the intial Mon Cal cruisiers were, of course, under powered and armed, by ROTJ the first MC80's were being used by the Rebels.

    Stormtroopers are shock troops, they are not the Imperial Army proper. Even the Old Republic Army was mostly made from Federalized sector forces and draftees (But the Republican Grand Army was, of course, the Clonetroopers)..

    There's plenty of shooting straight.
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    Originally posted by Urban Ranger
    Congratulations on the completely successful threadjack. This is only second to the time that KrazyHouse and I jacked some other thread into one about giant robots.
    I don't recall that...
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    Originally posted by loinburger

    Yup, my Suspension of Disbelief gene is still in good working order. If I wanted good science, then I'd fall asleep reading a textbook rather than watch a Science Fiction film.
    im surprised the gene kept working after episode one.
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    Originally posted by Cruddy
    Two notes about Lucas' direction of SW movies:-

    1) The spaceship explosions in the original trilogy were clearly not filmed in a vacuum. It makes me laugh to this day to see them.

    2) The laser bolt effects he uses are very much like modren day tracer fire. They are certainly totally unlike laser beams, which travel at light speed (of course).

    Are you guys still convinced about this space opera?
    If you want to go into the physics violations there are a lot more worse ones than that. Still, it looks cool and that's his job.
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    Anybody who gets upset about the science in a movie which includes a mystical force controlled by wizard/kight types needs to get out more
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    Who is upset? I just think the premier company for special effects could have made it a bit more believable that's all.

    As for the mystical force bit - well, just another branch of science from my point of view.
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    Originally posted by Richelieu
    The USS Enterprise D would have kicked Hoth's a**!

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