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    Defense Yes, Attack No

    When Plantation resident Travis Clark joined the Marine Corps in 1996, it seemed like a good option. Then 19, he couldn't afford college and the country was in a state of relative peace, Clark said. He signed an eight-year contract, which required him to serve five years of active duty and stand by for a possible call-up during the next three years.

    As the years passed, his views began to change. He started reading works by Martin Luther King Jr. and Mohandas Gandhi. His active duty stint ended in August 2001, and he now volunteers as special events coordinator for the anti-war group Peace South Florida.

    If he's called up before his military contract ends in the summer of 2004, Clark said, he won't go.

    "I can see violence used if there was an invading army invading my people," Clark said. "But I'm not going to go into someone else's country and force them to defend themselves."

    Like Clark, many resisters say they vowed to defend the country, not to take part in what they consider a war of aggression. Veterans for Peace, a national group with 3,000 members, wrote a letter to the military's top commanders on Feb. 13, urging them not to fight.

    "We believe the war against Iraq that the U.S. government is planning and preparing for is in violation of the Charter of the United Nations and customary international law," the letter reads. "The judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg noted, `Resort to war of aggression is not merely illegal, but criminal.'"
    Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

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    If he wants to accept a dishonorable discharge, and return pro-rata pay and benefits for the portion of time he doesn't serve as ordered, fine.

    He signed a contract, he took an oath to obey the orders of his superiors, end of story.

    Of course, for someone of your persuasion, an entire world that functioned like Iraq and North Korea is probably right up your alley.

    Give it up, Communism is dead, and the revolution ain't coming, now or ever.
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    • #3
      Why bother to post in a thread whose creator was banned
      I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

      Asher on molly bloom

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      • #4
        CT was banned, and I missed it?

        That's the trouble with moving - internet access is so spotty.
        When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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        • #5
          I beat you to it... It was for his actions in "And then the skies wept" thread.
          Keep on Civin'
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          • #6
            Yeah, I was playing with wiring problems in the new house and reworking the breaker panel, so the computer's been off and on all weekend.
            When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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            • #7
              Damn it! I wanted to make a thread on the moron. It takes a special kind of stupid to join the Army and then be shocked that you might be sent to war.

              ``It was the Clinton administration, the economy was strong and war didn't seem to be on the horizon,'' Travis said. ``Not once did any of the recruiters I spoke with mention war, enemy, shooting or death.''
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #8
                Just more proof that the Marines will take people too dumb for the Army.
                When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
                  Just more proof that the Marines will take people too dumb for the Army.
                  Travis Clark is in the Army's 10th Mountain Division. CT was full of crap when he said Marines.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    actually that is the way my ex-sister-in-law felt

                    I think she managed to work out a way to leave the army (I don't think she was in for a year) arround the time fo Sept 11 (she was afraid she might be sent to afganistan (she was in hawai, didn't have papers to go or anything))

                    I don't have any respect for her (She treated my brother liek **** also)

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                    • #11
                      Personally, I find this to be a useful exercise. It separates those who are serious about serving their country versus those who are just in it for #1. Those who are in it for #1 should not be supported by the taxpayers and would probably sell their army comrades down the river in a heartbeat anyway.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #12
                        I think it's ****ing funny. "WTF? we are working as soldiers and they expect us to fight? "
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #13
                          Isn't there a Monty Pyhton skit on this type of situation?
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #14
                            Hmm... this guy actually thought by himself, about the reasons he had to fight.

                            I'd say he was much too clever for the army indeed
                            "An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind" - Gandhi

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                            • #15
                              Hmm... this guy actually thought by himself, about the reasons he had to fight.
                              I think he thought by himself too late.
                              urgh.NSFW

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