And also that the show of support from Europe directly after the attack and in Afghanistan was very touching.
Let me start off by saying that I thought the outpouring of patriotism post 9/11 very refreshing.
Bounce back from disaster and all that stuff.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
And also that the show of support from Europe directly after the attack and in Afghanistan was very touching.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Exactly my point. See my original post.Originally posted by finkian
You're right. Getting rid of Saddam so I can drive an SUV. Or be defended by an Abrams tank. Or fly home to Oregon in a 747. Yeah.
I'm sure Saddam will sell you oil if you act a bit nicer, just perhaps not at a price you like... but that's how business works.Too bad that there are very few places with such a large supply of oil accessable... like none.
"I'm a guy - I take everything seriously except other people's emotions"
"Never play cards with any man named 'Doc'. Never eat at any place called 'Mom's'. And never, ever...sleep with anyone whose troubles are worse than your own." - Nelson Algren
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin (attr.)
But that wouldn't explain all of the hostility in Europe away, would it?Let me start off by saying that I thought the outpouring of patriotism post 9/11 very refreshing.
Bounce back from disaster and all that stuff.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Sure, he'll just all of a sudden develop a reasonable attitude towards the "Great White Satan of the West."Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
I'm sure Saddam will sell you oil if you act a bit nicer, just perhaps not at a price you like... but that's how business works.
bullshit. We have plenty of oil. The only change is the price, and Iraq can't afford to not sell the west oil anyway. You're discrediting yourself with posts like this.Originally posted by finkian
You're right. Getting rid of Saddam so I can drive an SUV. Or be defended by an Abrams tank. Or fly home to Oregon in a 747. Yeah. Too bad that there are very few places with such a large supply of oil accessable... like none.
"Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
"I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui
STYOM: You didn't think we would sit idly by while Saddam took control over 35% of the world's oil reserve did you? Would the Saudi's have invited us in if they hadn't thought it possible?
Show us some luv.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
again i'll say 'at least we had a coalliton that time'
This time there is nothing. Just a war mongering president with an itchy trigger finger
"Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
"I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui
No. That would be because Europe got the hebegebees over being too close to the U.S. Europe is like someone who is confused about his sexuality.Originally posted by DinoDoc
But that wouldn't explain all of the hostility in Europe away, would it?
Show some support while they are discerning.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Anti-americanism (about the US government) is a welcomed and refreshing change. Finally, some countries are nolonger alone in this
BTW the sh!t hit the fence when Germany jumped on the wagon and expressed antiamericanism. That's when the whole thing got critical mass cause that's how influencial Germany is.
Now even England is antiamerican (far more than what it used to be).
There are different reasons as to why to be an antimaerican but what counts is the end result.
there are wonderful and insightful pieces written about WHY they hate us which transent the funny "we are the best thats why"
that was not one of them but close.
Paiktis: Europe has been very supportive in Afghanistan. Thank you for your support.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
isn't the phrase "the **** hit the fan" or are you using a different saying there paiktis?
"Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
"I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui
Coalitions only serve to make it more convenient, something that I didn't a pacifist like yourself wanted. They aren't a hard and fast requirement for military action.Originally posted by orange
again i'll say 'at least we had a coalliton that time'
DanS: I'll try.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
i will try to use idioms with greater care from now on
DanS, yes it has been. The chasm between the electorate and the government is amazingly big.
I did say you have to act a bit nicer. Quite a lot of people who don't like you will still do business with you.Originally posted by finkian
Sure, he'll just all of a sudden develop a reasonable attitude towards the "Great White Satan of the West."
@DanS - well, for quite some time, the USA was the world's largest oil producer (and may still be?). So, was Japan justified in attacking in 1941 when the US turned off the oil tap?
Again, my point is, you acted in 1991 based on self interest, and you're acting in 2002 based on self interest. Not Europe's interests, not the Kurds' interests. Quite probably Exxon's interests, though
"I'm a guy - I take everything seriously except other people's emotions"
"Never play cards with any man named 'Doc'. Never eat at any place called 'Mom's'. And never, ever...sleep with anyone whose troubles are worse than your own." - Nelson Algren
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin (attr.)
EU governments have a lot of hypocrisy. many need the US but they talk negatively about her as to not alianate their electorates.
i.e. the crisis with spain and maroco... the US was asked to intervene cause France has ties with maroco and wouldnt let the EU function in a better way.
powel had to intervene (under the table)
same with Greece Turkey. when there is a fire who puts it out? the US.
but there is more to the stories than that.
its not black and white. but just something to please you yankees
Nah, the "certain posters" are the whole point of these threadsThreads like this would be a lot more interesting if certain posters were simply ignored.
Bah!Boshko: I have you on my ignore list so please don't bother typing up a long message as I can't see them.
*sticks out fongue at Gian*
Stop Quoting Ben
IIRC, the U.S. is still the largest producer.
Saddam was stealing reserves. Full stop. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't have tried to stop him?
"Again, my point is, you acted in 1991 based on self interest, and you're acting in 2002 based on self interest. Not Europe's interests, not the Kurds' interests."
Why try to artificially to ignore interests? It was in everybody's interest in 1991, including the US'. That's why Europe and Canada participated. That's why Japan footed the bill.
The case for 2002/3 hasn't even been made yet. The Euros were just freaked out that we were rushing into war with Iraq. So better to give out opposition at first. But it was a little overdone.
But hey, we consult our allies, so give us some luv, big guy.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
basically the left wing roots (once soviet dominated) of europe show up.
what is interesting is why the right wing doesnt like the US..??????????
the image is of US is of a very powerful rogue state capable of causing bloodshed all over the globe if thats what it takes to promote its interests
Originally posted by paiktis22
EU governments have a lot of hypocrisy. many need the US but they talk negatively about her as to not alianate their electorates.
i.e. the crisis with spain and maroco... the US was asked to intervene cause France has ties with maroco and wouldnt let the EU function in a better way.
powel had to intervene (under the table)
same with Greece Turkey. when there is a fire who puts it out? the US.
but there is more to the stories than that.
its not black and white. but just something to please you yankees
Man, you had me scared, think you were becoming pro-American or something!
"Foof." - Sasquatch.
It doesn't make the reasons for invasion any better. But what I am saying is that last time we had spoken and military support from many countries, as well as a smoking gun. This time we have neither.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Coalitions only serve to make it more convenient, something that I didn't a pacifist like yourself wanted. They aren't a hard and fast requirement for military action.
"Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
"I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui
IRL I'm just neutral
"This time" hasn't even started. No case has been attempted to be made by Bush yet.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Shhh.. Don't tell them that or else they'll be wanting our oil too.Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
If you want to ridicule your own argument, go ahead
But seriously...
Why don't you get your oil from somewhere else, rather than killing people so you can drive SUVs? Or..
...oh, right... because starting a war suits US interests better.
At $60/barrel, if we play our cards rightOriginally posted by Loif
Shhh.. Don't tell them that or else they'll be wanting our oil too.
"I'm a guy - I take everything seriously except other people's emotions"
"Never play cards with any man named 'Doc'. Never eat at any place called 'Mom's'. And never, ever...sleep with anyone whose troubles are worse than your own." - Nelson Algren
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin (attr.)
You seem to be saying that you think American policy should be based on its own national interests, yet you continue to say that that is unfortunate. So should it or shouldn't it. Stand up and take a side and stop contradicting yourself.Originally posted by finkian
It's unfortunate that money runs our policy, but a reality. I would like to say that America could do everything based on goodwill towards the fellow man, but it's just not possible. Neither you, nor your son, will live off of goodwill, nor drive to work on saving the world for Iraqi peasants. You will, however, when tensions ease in the middle east.
I would like to say that America could do everything based on goodwill towards the fellow man...
Yeah, let's get Saddam over here. We'll sing Khumbaya and talk. 'So, dropped any more chemical weapons on you're own people?' 'Still forcing government officials to read you're 19 volume biography?' 'And how's that Mother of All Battles thing going? You've been talking about it since the end of Desert Storm(hope you're still not mad at us), so how are you're preparations coming along?'
You want the U.S. to make its policies based on you're opinions? Double check with you before we make any decisions?I'm sure you're own countries have enough problems, no need to look on the other side of the pond to find them.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, if we don't invade Iraq, then we should boycott 'em. Let Saddam keep his oil - I'm willing to pay higher gas prices.
Back to the original topic.
Love and peace through war and bloodshed.
maybe because the US is a greedy, consumerist society that takes and uses and exploits... just a thought...
Don't tell me you expected anything else.Originally posted by DinoDoc
PS I really want to express my awe at the collective threadjack.
Just a question. Do any of you actually write your material as you post or do you just keep a wordpad doc. with anti-american stuff on hand for threads such as this? I'm really curious.
Official American Response. Blah blah blah blah.
Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh
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