c'mon, this is the man who thinks that he is the "father of Islam" and should be the rightful ruler of the entire arab world.
Fortunately for us, not all madmen reside in the Middle East, who supplies the majority of the oil for the US, indeed, the entire west. I'd hate to deal with gas prices once Saddam starts bombing his arab "brethren"
I know you know as many Arabs as I do, you should know that Saddam is not the most popular guy in the Arab world. His only power comes from brutishness and whatever the US hands him by being oafish.Originally posted by finkian
He is a madman in a highly unstable area in which the US has too many interests. So we gotta get him and his regime out of power.
However, the madmen who ARE there are a very big threat. He may never have attacked us directly, but he has a very threatening position-- economically.
Nice language homies!!!Originally posted by orange
Newsflash: Fez is NOT the ruler of Spain.
Stop speaking about Spanish citizens as if they were your subjects, and Spain as if you control it. Moreover, you don't even live there, so be a good lad and shut the fuck up. 
Guess you must be new to the rulz..better watch your language, some mods take offsne and send you away to Ming-A-Pulco or SolverHall, or a similiar location!!
Just my $0.02 worth!!
~Peace~
Troll
Did anyone have Ryan Dunn From Jackass FAME? He died in a fiery car crash speeding after being in a bar. And to think, everyone thought he would die doing something stupid-rah
Too true. and one of the things we hand him is a prolonged stay in office. It's time for him to go. I say Ma'asalaama, and good riddance.Originally posted by tandeetaylor
I know you know as many Arabs as I do, you should know that Saddam is not the most popular guy in the Arab world. His only power comes from brutishness and whatever the US hands him by being oafish.
and why on earth does that give us a right to invade them? Just because they'll sell us slightly less oil causing 25 cent/gallon prices jumps?!
Go buy a hybrid car if you're that concerned.
"Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
"I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui
I don't think he was telling anyone not to post. He was just saying that discussions would be more interesting and would explore more topics if we spent less time replying to bad arguments. He's right, I just can't stop myself.Originally posted by Troll
Loinburger, please let your opinions fill the voids of the reply page and dont let anyone tell you not to post!
Its ok, not everyone ignores you!!
Troll
I wasn't saying that people were ignoring me. I was lamenting the fact that people aren't ignoring certain other posters, thereby taking up pages and pages of posts with responses to things like "Yarr Europe is full of commies," i.e. comments that are so asinine that they clearly don't even need a response.Originally posted by Troll
Its ok, not everyone ignores you!!
Edit: Damn these cross-posts.
You do realize that Orange has been at Poly longer than you have, right?Originally posted by Troll
Nice language homies!!!
Guess you must be new to the rulz..better watch your language, some mods take offsne and send you away to Ming-A-Pulco or SolverHall, or a similiar location!!
Just my $0.02 worth!!
~Peace~
Troll
Says so right below his name. And that little picture called an avatar.
"Foof." - Sasquatch.
Originally posted by Troll
Nice language homies!!!
Guess you must be new to the rulz..better watch your language, some mods take offsne and send you away to Ming-A-Pulco or SolverHall, or a similiar location!!
Just my $0.02 worth!!
~Peace~
Troll
I've been here longer than you
"Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
"I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui
What the smizzoke is SolverHall?
Look at history. THe oil crisis in the 70's I believe? A lot more than 25cents to the gallon jump. And it's not just private automobiles that run on gas... what about every military vehicle we have? Besides, aside from the economic issue...Originally posted by orange
and why on earth does that give us a right to invade them? Just because they'll sell us slightly less oil causing 25 cent/gallon prices jumps?!
Go buy a hybrid car if you're that concerned.
... It is very likely that many of the chemical weapons saddam has are COULD reach our troops... stationed in kuwait. He still has his eye on it, my friend.
Why? Because there's oil in his country? He's not going to stop selling it. That would be like a store owner turning away every other customer because he was ugly. He can go ahead and limit his supply if he wants to, but in case you're not aware, he only controls one country and has very little influence with the leaders of the other countries.Originally posted by finkian
He may never have attacked us directly, but he has a very threatening position-- economically.
At the end of the Gulf War, we found out neat things.. like Kuwait wasn't his last stop. What do we do when he bombs Riyadh?Originally posted by tandeetaylor
Why? Because there's oil in his country? He's not going to stop selling it. That would be like a store owner turning away every other customer because he was ugly. He can go ahead and limit his supply if he wants to, but in case you're not aware, he only controls one country and has very little influence with the leaders of the other countries.
Orange, I am Spanish and I identify greatly with my people... I like it so much in my country I am going to try and get a transfer from whatever University I am going to in California to the University in Salamanca.
It is not my fault I live in a different country. Don't attack my patriotism to my country because of that. And certainly do not attack my character based on that.
So tandee, the US can allow Saddam to continue attacking his people with nerve gas and stuff?
Boshko: I have you on my ignore list so please don't bother typing up a long message as I can't see them.
Who the hell cares? 25c, a dollar, ten dollars...a country not selling us the amount we want them to sell to us is NOT a causi belli!Originally posted by finkian
Look at history. THe oil crisis in the 70's I believe? A lot more than 25cents to the gallon jump. And it's not just private automobiles that run on gas... what about every military vehicle we have? Besides, aside from the economic issue...
Our troops shouldn't be there in the first place!... It is very likely that many of the chemical weapons saddam has are COULD reach our troops... stationed in kuwait. He still has his eye on it, my friend.
"Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
"I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui
It's just not very safe to show it, independent thought is . . . wait, someone's kicking in the door!Originally posted by Kamrat X
It comforting to know that some americans are thinking for themselves
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
And we COULD drop a nuclear weapon on Baghdad in response. I'm not saying we would, but if we're going to look at big fat COULD's...Originally posted by finkian
...many of the chemical weapons saddam has COULD reach our troops... stationed in kuwait. He still has his eye on it, my friend.
Ok Orange, I understand and yes I see that, I was merely implying you should not cuss here, its not necessary and its against the rules and really, shows a lack of proper speech selection. Just a point is all, I love these forums, and dont think someone needs to post curse words to make a point.Originally posted by orange
I've been here longer than you
THATS what I was getting at!
~Peace~
Troll
Did anyone have Ryan Dunn From Jackass FAME? He died in a fiery car crash speeding after being in a bar. And to think, everyone thought he would die doing something stupid-rah
I wanna qualify all this by saying.... I'm an arabic linguist, if there is war, I'm going to Iraq. I don't wanna go. I REALLY don't. But not only is Saddam dangerous, he is unjust. He has already proven a willingness to use nerve agents on people-- when he murdered hundreds of kurds to the north with them.
Hmm... attacking Saddam just because he can endanger our oil supply is a little too close to the Japanese Empire's reason for attacking Pearl Harbor (we were blockading their scrap metal, oil, and rubber supplies).
Appropos of nothing: today is Pakistani Heritage Day at Shea Stadium in NY.
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. Benjamin Disraeli
Good point, a very good reason for us to stop pissing everyone off. Sooner or later Saudi Arabia is going to kick us out. We need other countries just as much as they need us.Originally posted by finkian
What do we do when he bombs Riyadh?
they shouldn't? That's smart. Take the troops away. Because whether or not Saddam has much power with his own oil-- if he could cut Kuwait's supply off? And gain a significant control of trade routes in the persian gulf? Um, no thanks.Originally posted by orange
Our troops shouldn't be there in the first place!
The US does what it does because it suits US interests.
a) It's naive on the part of the rest of the world to expect anything else.
b)And, it's naive on the part of the US to expect the rest of the world not to realize (a)
Oh - why can't Iraq (and anybody else) sell their oil at whatever price they choose, or that the market will bear? Isn't that the American way?
Chemical weapons and terrorists are bad, yes, but the US has supported lots of terrorist regimes in the past, and probably showed Iraq how to make chemical weapons, anyway (back when they were fighting Iran).
"I'm a guy - I take everything seriously except other people's emotions"
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Cut the crap Fez. You're Spanish, we get it. But you haven't lived there in quite sometime, and you certainly don't have any political or social pull there.Originally posted by Fez
Orange, I am Spanish and I identify greatly with my people... I like it so much in my country I am going to try and get a transfer from whatever University I am going to in California to the University in Salamanca.
These are what I'm referring to...
I assure people here, my country Spain will stand by the US and will not fall down the same ignorant path of some Europeans who are only paving the way for future terrorist attacks.From Spain and with love.... we don't hate the US....You can't 'assure' anyone anything about the Spanish citizens or government as you are in contact with very few (if any) of them!Kepler, I assure you my people are not whining about what the US does, we are behind them every step of the way. And the same with Italy.
No one's attacking your patriotism. I'm attacking your supposed 'knowledge' of the people and government of a country you don't even live with and can barely identify with.It is not my fault I live in a different country. Don't attack my patriotism to my country because of that. And certainly do not attack my character based on that.
"Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
"I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui
Yeah, just refreahing his rules memory on abusive language partner. I dont think its an attractive quality to simply spout profanities, doesnt make an appropriate response. THATS what I was implying is all..nothing more nothing lessOriginally posted by Tuberski
You do realize that Orange has been at Poly longer than you have, right?
Says so right below his name. And that little picture called an avatar.
~Peace~
Troll
Did anyone have Ryan Dunn From Jackass FAME? He died in a fiery car crash speeding after being in a bar. And to think, everyone thought he would die doing something stupid-rah
Of course we do--- and which arabs would be unhappy about losing saddam on their border? Hmmmm... none? Sure, they'll make dissatisfied noises to show their "arab unity" but they know he's a loon as much as we do. Saudi Arabia wouldn't have let us in the middle east unless we were needed there. Do you think we've suddenly stopped being important to Saudi security?Originally posted by tandeetaylor
Good point, a very good reason for us to stop pissing everyone off. Sooner or later Saudi Arabia is going to kick us out. We need other countries just as much as they need us.
Actually, he's a secularist who only uses Islam. He doesn't believe it, and neither does anyone outside of America. Hence his problem with Islamic terrorists trying to overthrow him.Originally posted by finkian
c'mon, this is the man who thinks that he is the "father of Islam" and should be the rightful ruler of the entire arab world.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
OK, kurds without this big and important thing called the United States of America, its arsenal, its military and its (rapidly diminishing) allies behind them.Originally posted by finkian
He has already proven a willingness to use nerve agents on people-- when he murdered hundreds of kurds to the north with them.
It's also the american way to ensure that needed markets maintain a certain reasonability for our own good-- and Europe's, I might add.Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
Oh - why can't Iraq (and anybody else) sell their oil at whatever price they choose, or that the market will bear? Isn't that the American way?
Chemical weapons and terrorists are bad, yes, but the US has supported lots of terrorist regimes in the past, and probably showed Iraq how to make chemical weapons, anyway (back when they were fighting Iran).
Oh, and yes, we supported Iraq against Iran. All the more reason to chuck Saddam out... we gave him that ability, he is using it to commit atrocities, not only is it necessary logically, but morally.
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