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    With all the focus on Iraq lately, I think people should be reminded that far greater danger is quietly "stockpiling" power.

    http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/...1/busherhr.jpg (very large pic, the reactor is in the bottom left part)

    That's Bushar.

    Now, for the facts :
    1) Before OBL's phenomenal 'success' in Sept 11, Iran was the world's leading exporter of terrorism.
    Groups based in Iran and funded by the Irani goverment were responsible for both local and international terror attacks. The Hizballah and the Islamic Jihad(and partially Hamas) are getting support from there and recognized as terror groups by the US. The Hizballah is an organization with "global reach", as proven in the Buenos Aires attacks which were directly sponsored by Iran.
    2) For 20 years the Iranis were promoting US hatred around the world, vowing to destroy it. Iran is also ruled by a radical fundamentalist goverment. They look moderate concerning religious issues, but as far as the US, Israel or nuclear weapons are concerned they are hardcore fanatics.
    3) Iran, with the help of Russia, develops nuclear weapons. The Bushar reactor should be ready in couple years and operational a while later.
    4) The next generation of Irani missiles should be able to reach large parts of Europe.

    So, from the American point of view, Iran should be much more of a threat than the half ruined Iraq with it's psychopatic leader.

    The US cant attack Iran, in a sense of a large scale invasion or whatever because it lacks a casus belli, but what about the nuclear reactor?

    Politically, assuming the administration wants it, can the US alone or together with Israel do something about it? What's the opinion of the Senate, the Congress etc, concerning Iran?

    When Europe is going to pull it's head out of the sand and realize that they are threatened?
    48
    is a threat to the western world. Military action a-la the Gulf War is neccessary to prevent them from getting nukes.
    22.92%
    11
    is a threat to the western world. Pinpoint military action against the Irani nuclear facilities is necessary.
    27.08%
    13
    should be allowed to get nukes to balance Israel's dominance. Despite the obvious risks of a fundamentalist regime.
    29.17%
    14
    is a country with lots of Bananas/Strawberries.
    20.83%
    10
    Last edited by Eli; July 31, 2002, 19:17.
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  • #2
    Iran just hasn't done anything major to piss people off in a while.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Apocalypse
      Iran just hasn't done anything major to piss people off in a while.
      Well, they arent idiots.
      After 11/9 they are keeping low profile, but in the moment they have the bomb i'm sure you'll hear about them.
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      • #4
        I think Iran has to be one of the most pro-terrorist nations today, and there is way too big a risk that they might one day nuke Israel- I don't think we can trust fundamentalist Mullahs to act rational. We should also take covert action to undermine and hopefully topple the Islamic regime.
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        • #5
          Just leave Iran alone...
          Even if they have nukes, who cares? If USA, Russia, India etc can have them why they shouldn't have them?
          Iran is no threat for anyone.
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          • #6
            because they are a crapy government who dislikes the US and has tyrannical tendencies

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            • #7
              Re: Iran

              Originally posted by Eli
              The US cant attack Iran, in a sense of a large scale invasion or whatever because it lacks a casus belli, but what about the nuclear reactor?
              You do it. You already have experience with blowing up reactors. What does blowing up one more matter to Isreal?
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              • #8
                one sided poll

                Leave well enough alone...we've ****ed Iran up enough
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                • #9
                  Shyte poll, Naftali.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Heresson
                    Just leave Iran alone...
                    Even if they have nukes, who cares? If USA, Russia, India etc can have them why they shouldn't have them?
                    Iran is no threat for anyone.
                    Really? Why dont you listen to a speech or two of their leaders?

                    Look, it's not a matter of "why should/shouldn't they have nukes". There is a possible threat of destruction to Israel in 2 years, and to Europe and the US in a decade.

                    They have the full right to build the reactor and try to get nuclear weapons, but Israel(and the west, if they have any brains left) also have the full right to make sure they dont, not because it's fair or unfair, but because they are a threat.
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                    • #11
                      Your poll still sucks, Naftali.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by orange
                        Leave well enough alone...we've ****ed Iran up enough
                        So because the US had mistaken in Iran once they wont be a threat?

                        You do it. You already have experience with blowing up reactors. What does blowing up one more matter to Isreal?


                        I hope we do something about it.
                        But the Iranis learned the lesson, they dont concentrate everything in one place like the Iraqis and they keep good defences. I'm afraid that even if Israel attacks, it wont be as effective as an American attack because of the resources you have.
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                        • #13
                          They have two kinds of leaders You know... And majority of population stands against the fundamental ones...
                          Anyway perhaps Israel can be endangered. But i don't mind all that much. Only a serious threat will force it to lead reasonable politics. But Iran won't dare to attack Israel openly, as well as any other state... And why Iran should invade Europe? Not a chance. Europe gets anti-american and pro-arabic recently and unlike our dear "Israel",
                          it doesn't stand on ground stolen from majorly Muslim population.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jon Miller
                            because they are a crapy government who dislikes the US and has tyrannical tendencies

                            Jon Miller
                            So's France.

                            Ya gotta admit: that's casting the net a bit wide.
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                            • #15
                              It is, Kepler, and Naftali should recognise that as well.

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