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  • #31
    Thanks Ignorance, it's exactly the thread that I vaguely remembered
    "We are reducing all the complexity of billions of people over 6000 years into a Civ box. Let me say: That's not only a PkZip effort....it's a real 'picture to Jpeg heavy loss in translation' kind of thing."
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    • #32
      Good stuff, Catt.

      I wonder if one should always switch your production to non-settlers in the early game on the turn you are about to pop a hut, in order to increase you chances of getting a settler. Then switch back to settler(s) after popping the hut.

      Theseus,

      This is why blitz units are fantastic for leader creation. Modern Armor (or Panzers) in particular. 3 attacks per turn... a vet unit could get promoted to elite (attacks 1 and 2) and then generate a leader (attack 3) in the same turn. Yeehaw! Of course, by that stage in the game, leaders are usually not very important.

      -Arrian
      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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      • #33
        Re: Compiled Firaxian Comments on Undocumented Game Features

        Thanks Catt!

        One small point though:

        Settler:
        --Player must not have a settler (active or in production) or any unit with the Settle AI strategy.
        --Player must have less cities than (TotalCities / NumActivePlayers).
        I think the second item should read "no more cities" and not "less cities"

        People get settlers from huts in 3950 B.C. after they build their initial city. It happens all the time. But in 3950 B.C. each AI civ has one city so TotalCities/NumActivePlayers=1. Obviously the player's cities are not less than that.

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        • #34
          Re: Re: Compiled Firaxian Comments on Undocumented Game Features

          Originally posted by alexman
          Thanks Catt!

          One small point though:



          I think the second item should read "no more cities" and not "less cities"

          People get settlers from huts in 3950 B.C. after they build their initial city. It happens all the time. But in 3950 B.C. each AI civ has one city so TotalCities/NumActivePlayers=1. Obviously the player's cities are not less than that.
          Sounds to me like you're correct (for I too have heard magical tales of the 3950 BC settler, though never experienced it). However, the above was a direct quote from a Firaxian (Mike B., I think).

          I suspect that it is less than precise language on the poster's part.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Zanzin
            thanks Catt, very informative!!

            Btw, a question, hopefully someone can answer - if i put workers (both mind and captured ones) in my capital cit, I should be able to trade them with other civs, right? Because when I tried to in my last game, I couldn't!

            (Keep in mind, this was in the modern age, so there's plenty of trade routs (land, sea and air) happening between the capitals.
            You have to have a city on the same land mass. We found this out in an SG game over at CivFanatics. If you have cleared all unwanted people from your land mass it doesn't matter what else you have (embassies, etc.).

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            • #36
              Barbarian uprisings

              You might want to add the revelation in another thread about the trigger for barbarian uprisings.

              IIRC, they may occur a maximum of three times a game, once for each new age (not the Ancient Age). They are triggered when two players enter a new age.

              Of course, they only occur when there is sufficient unclaimed terrritory (I don't know what size the unclaimed bit must be for a barb hut to appear). This means that the later eras often do not witness an uprising, since the land grab phase has already concluded.

              Good thread idea, Catt! Thanks.
              Last edited by Purple; July 15, 2002, 18:44.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ignorance
                Culture-Flipping Exposed - Dan Magaha FIRAXIS

                The only thing I want to hear from Dan is "Culture Flipping ENDED".

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                • #38
                  Very good thread, Catt! I somehow managed to miss all the threads you picked the info from, so this was all new good stuff for me.

                  I agree with Arrian that you should build something else than settlers in the early game (say, a granary) and only switch over just before it finishes to maximise the chance of gaining settlers from goody huts.

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                  • #39
                    (bump)

                    Catt, I've seen those statistics for unit promotion before, and I distinctly remember that it said the odds are halved for defenders. If I'm right on that, you should probably edit it in. But then again, they could have changed that in a patch. I dunno.

                    Also, the odds for GL generation are 1/16 without the Heroic Epic and 1/12 with it for attackers, half that for defenders, IIRC.
                    "God is dead." - Nietzsche
                    "Nietzsche is dead." - God

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Zanzin
                      thanks Catt, very informative!!

                      Btw, a question, hopefully someone can answer - if i put workers (both mind and captured ones) in my capital cit, I should be able to trade them with other civs, right? Because when I tried to in my last game, I couldn't!

                      (Keep in mind, this was in the modern age, so there's plenty of trade routs (land, sea and air) happening between the capitals.
                      I think the civs that are exchanging the workers must be on the same continent, or at least must have some cities on a common continent (to put in another way, they must be connected by roads).
                      Why is that is beyond me. Maybe those poor workers are too poor to take a ship or a flight and they can only walk

                      Edited: Oh, I've just realized that this is old thread. Why did you dig it out? Anyway, my answer is a little late
                      "The only way to avoid being miserable is not to have enough leisure to wonder whether you are happy or not. "
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                      • #41
                        hehe caught out by the old thread topped prank eh?

                        re. workers, one of the wackiest things about the unmodded games is you can't airlift them. what's up with that?? mebbe it is as you say and Civ3 has special rules to make sure they all go 3rd class shipping.

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                        • #42
                          An old thread maybe, but a goodie. In fact, if this isn't linked in Theseus' "must read" thread, it should be.

                          You also can't airlift settlers, leaders or armies (even empty ones). *shrug*

                          -Arrian
                          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by JohnM2433
                            (bump)

                            Catt, I've seen those statistics for unit promotion before, and I distinctly remember that it said the odds are halved for defenders. If I'm right on that, you should probably edit it in. But then again, they could have changed that in a patch. I dunno.

                            Also, the odds for GL generation are 1/16 without the Heroic Epic and 1/12 with it for attackers, half that for defenders, IIRC.
                            JohnM- I think that the "halved for defenders" only applies to GL generation, not simple unit promotions. And you're correct on the GL 1/16 but with HE 1/12 -- just a slightly different point.

                            Originally posted by Arrian
                            An old thread maybe, but a goodie. In fact, if this isn't linked in Theseus' "must read" thread, it should be.
                            A nice old thread . . . how I miss you .

                            If someone wanted to take the initiative (I don't), I've always wanted a "topped thread" that provides specific game information as shared by Firaxis team members, with appropriate links to the chat log / post. In other words, no player testing (that has value, too), no hypotheses, no speculation, etc. -- only coomentary from Firaxis regarding the game rules / mechanics that have been revealed online but don't appear in the editor, the civilopedia, the manual etc. Kind of an "insider's manual."

                            Would be a great service that wouldn't take a huge amount of time (I think) -- a review of the chat logs and a search of the forums for Firaxian posts.

                            Catt

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                            • #44
                              Firaxis Soren's Barbarian Uprising Link

                              Definitely a thread worthy of being bumped.

                              ok, enough with the suspense!

                              barbarian uprisings are triggered the second time a civ enters a new age. (once for the middle ages, once for the industrial age, once for the modern age...) The intention was to basically simulate the barbarian hordes that knocked out Rome and (to a lesser degree) the Mongols. This made a little more sense back when barbarians were more destructive, but having half your civ knocked out for seemingly random reasons was deemed not much fun. Instead, we flipped the concept around and gave a temporal bonus (the Golden Age) instead of a temporal penalty.
                              Last edited by kring; October 22, 2002, 02:21.

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                              • #45
                                "Soren's Barbarian Uprising Link "

                                Well EXCUUSE ME!!

                                Harrumph. Friggin' threadjacker.
                                The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                                Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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