Moronic Troll
Have you met Bush? Do you know him? Have you talked to him? Have you sat next to him in class?
I didnt think so....
So stop making Stereotypes and assumptions to feed your anti-american Ego.
The Ignorance on this board is amazing.
Iran, Iraq, North Korea. The Axis of Evil.
We already knew Bush is clueless when it comes to international relations, especcially after his statements about fighting a "crusade". And he has yet proven this once again by his totally rediculous "Axis of Evil" remark.
Right or wrong isn't the issue here. It's about stupidity and a lack of tact. First relations between Iran and the US were warming up because of Afghanistan. Iran even offered to aid the US in rescueing wounded troops, and it has said it will help Afghanistan recover. But after this moronic statement Bush' has managed to, once again, alienate countries from the US, and push America's "enemies" closer together.
Instead of organising talks between North and South Korea, Bush somehow finds it appropriate to call the north "evil". Great going Shrubya, how on earth is that country going to open up when you keep it shut down by your stupid remarks. Someone really needs to shut that guy up.
Worse still, I won't be surprised if Bush will give the order to attack those countries he named. Now that will be something to rally the world. Against the US that is. Russia, France and the Arabs are against an attack on Iraq, and China will undoubtly aid the North Koreans should the US invade. It's amazing how some totally unqualified people can become world leaders by having the right connections.
Powell for President! At least he's a republican with common sense.
Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit
Moronic Troll
Have you met Bush? Do you know him? Have you talked to him? Have you sat next to him in class?
I didnt think so....
So stop making Stereotypes and assumptions to feed your anti-american Ego.
The Ignorance on this board is amazing.
I have been and will hopefully continue to be a staunch Bush supporter. I think he has done a fine job as president.
But, even I cringed in my seat when he started on "AXIS OF EVIL"
part of his speech. It was a bit over the top and might reverse some of the positive trends that we've seen In NK and Iran. Maybe he has access to information that those suppossed positives were just PR and not real so he wasn't worried about flushing them down the drain. You can't tell.
Granted it was a speech to the American People, and that's generally what we wanted to hear, but he should have considered the international take on it as well. Frequenting this place has really made me more sensitive to those types of things.
For that I have you all to thank.
RAH
I also think focusing on weapons of mass destruction is also not a good idea, since many of our allies have nuke capabilities.
The OT at APOLYTON is like watching the Special Olympics. Certain people try so hard to debate despite their handicaps.
Baron O RIP.
Our allies (europe, Israel, Russia) are all very responsible with there weapons. If N. Korea got nukes...I wonder if they would honestly use them against S.Korea or Japan. Or maybe even the W. Coast USA.
And if Iraq got nukes....god help us all..we would have to turn the country into a pile of worthless dust.
A useless speech.
What else did you expect from that moron.
With friends like that....
A truely historic opportunity for the Iranian people which they themselves promptly flushed down the toilet by shipping 50 tons of weapons and ammunition to the PA.Originally posted by Saint Marcus
First relations between Iran and the US were warming up because of Afghanistan.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Diplomacy shmiplomacy.
No good intentions will cause Iran to stop developing nuclear weapons, to stop sending thousands of long range Katyushas to the Hizballa and fund terrorists group like the Hamas and the Islamic Jihad.
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.
And when diplomacy fails, we send in the F-16's and AGM's. Which never fail.
It will happen...mark my words. Bush is not going back to the next State of the Union empty handed. This will be resolved within a year.
And your little terrorist coward ass friends will be obliterated like they were never there, with much precision and ease.
Our enemies of old are friends today.
The ruskies and the us came close to the brink more than once.
Our friends today could become our enemy tomorrow.
Yes it is symantics but I think Bush could have worded it a little differently.
When the speech is reviewed as many times prior and practiced as much as he did, I can't believe that someone didn't look up and go, "DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE"
RAH
Overall, I think it was good speech. And well delievered for all you people that continue to believe that Bush is not a good public speaker.
The OT at APOLYTON is like watching the Special Olympics. Certain people try so hard to debate despite their handicaps.
Baron O RIP.
Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Iran, Iraq, North Korea. The Axis of Evil.
Those regimes are evil...
Iran, one of the largest sponsors of terrorism in the world.Right or wrong isn't the issue here. It's about stupidity and a lack of tact. First relations between Iran and the US were warming up because of Afghanistan. Iran even offered to aid the US in rescueing wounded troops, and it has said it will help Afghanistan recover. But after this moronic statement Bush' has managed to, once again, alienate countries from the US, and push America's "enemies" closer together.
We don't want warming relations with them. Like the Iranian people, we want to get rid of the Ayatollah and have a real democratic government for Iran.
Yeah, sure, Bush is to blame because the leader of NK is oppressive moron.Instead of organising talks between North and South Korea, Bush somehow finds it appropriate to call the north "evil". Great going Shrubya, how on earth is that country going to open up when you keep it shut down by your stupid remarks. Someone really needs to shut that guy up.
Worse still, I won't be surprised if Bush will give the order to attack those countries he named. Now that will be something to rally the world. Against the US that is. Russia, France and the Arabs are against an attack on Iraq, and China will undoubtly aid the North Koreans should the US invade. It's amazing how some totally unqualified people can become world leaders by having the right connections.
The arab governments will be quite happy to see Saddam go.
And if you think China would help North Korea, you're way out of touch with the going's on in the world.
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~Lisa as Jeanne d'Arc
[QUOTE] Originally posted by faded glory
Moronic Troll
Have you met Bush? Do you know him? Have you talked to him? Have you sat next to him in class?
I didnt think so....
QUOTE]
what sort of statement is that? if those were the criteria for having an opinion on a public figure, they would be pratically beyond reproach!
all we have to go on is how the man conducts himself and comes across, not on whether we used to paint finger pictures with him in playschool
Obviously you didn't check out the reaction in US papers. It was well received which makes it far from useless.Originally posted by Boddington's
A useless speech.
What else did you expect from that moron.
But then, what else can I expect from a moron.
RAH
Did you even see/read it?
Or are you just reacting based on sound bytes/comments or total ignorance?
The OT at APOLYTON is like watching the Special Olympics. Certain people try so hard to debate despite their handicaps.
Baron O RIP.
what sort of statement is that? if those were the criteria for having an opinion on a public figure, they would be pratically beyond reproach!
all we have to go on is how the man conducts himself and comes across, not on whether we used to paint finger pictures with him in playschool [/QUOTE]
Im just pointing out some people hate him no matter what he says. The trolling is pretty thinly vieled these days
at the end of the day the speech was written for americans and as such was a success, but (and this is not a troll) does anyone think it may be at the back of his advisors minds to keep the fear and anger boiling in america as long a possible, and try to get re-elected on the back of how resolute he was in the face of terror?
Neither have most peoples in these countries. Therefore the statement, right or wrong, in or out of the correct context, is not endearing. Have you guys not understood why so many of the peoples hate you?Originally posted by faded glory
Moronic Troll
Have you met Bush? Do you know him? Have you talked to him? Have you sat next to him in class?
I didnt think so....
So stop making Stereotypes and assumptions to feed your anti-american Ego.
Besides, diplomacy is about getting what you want/beleive, not saying what you want/believe.
Why do you think some countries suck up to the USA? Cos they like you?No, they just see
opportunites.
Capitalisation - The difference between helping your uncle Jack off a horse, and helping your uncle jack off a horse
Grammar - The difference between knowing your $hit, and knowing you're $hit.
Spelling - The difference between being literate, and being Dinner.
I would rather add Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to the list of "Evil Axis" than Irak and North Korea. Despite Saddam's viciousness, he is neither a fundamentalist nor a sponsor of Al-Qaeda, but more of a mobster. I see the fundamentalists as far more dangerous than a gangster could ever be.
Originally posted by reds4ever
at the end of the day the speech was written for americans and as such was a success, but (and this is not a troll) does anyone think it may be at the back of his advisors minds to keep the fear and anger boiling in america as long a possible, and try to get re-elected on the back of how resolute he was in the face of terror?
It's an election year for a lot of seats in Congress. If it wasn't at the front of their minds, then they're idiots. Just Politics as usual.
But you're right, you have to consider the audience that his speech was targeted too.
But my point was he could have had the same impact but toned it down a bit for international consumption.
RAH
The OT at APOLYTON is like watching the Special Olympics. Certain people try so hard to debate despite their handicaps.
Baron O RIP.
Why should I care about the reaction...it's as if Bush has Americans hyponotised that he can do no wrong. Hasn't worked with anyone else though.Originally posted by rah
Obviously you didn't check out the reaction in US papers. It was well received which makes it far from useless.
But then, what else can I expect from a moron.
RAH
Did you even see/read it?
Or are you just reacting based on sound bytes/comments or total ignorance?
Yes, I read it. Well..most of it. I kind of skipped the parts of "we're so wonderful because we got attacked" nonsense he needed to spill out.
The reaction is the whole point. That was the purpose of the speech. To get people lined up to support his initiatives. Are you learning anything at all in school or are you just boozing and whoring? You owe it to yourself to pay attention in classes.Originally posted by Boddington's
Why should I care about the reaction...it's as if Bush has Americans hyponotised that he can do no wrong. Hasn't worked with anyone else though.
Yes, I read it. Well..most of it. I kind of skipped the parts of "we're so wonderful because we got attacked" nonsense he needed to spill out.
And if you think americans are hyponotised that he can do no wrong, you are even more ignorant than my earlier stipulation.
I would appreciate it, if just once, you'd engage your brain before typing.
RAH
Oh, I forget, trolls don't think,just drink
The OT at APOLYTON is like watching the Special Olympics. Certain people try so hard to debate despite their handicaps.
Baron O RIP.
We are on a crusade against the axis of evil to bring to infinite justice the evil doers.
hey, whatever gets it on for you
seriously, Bush's speech is two fold: preparing the US public and sending messages to other countries.
it is a unilaterist US government we have up there.
and this IS diplomacy. the speech was prepared. it IS the US policies it served.
Have you met Marcus? Do you know him? Have you talked to him? Have you sat next to him in class?Originally posted by faded glory
Moronic Troll
I didnt think so....
So stop making Stereotypes and assumptions to feed your anti-european Ego.
The Ignorance on this board is amazing.
I have been unimpressed with Iran over the last couple of months. The democratic forces are starting to lose out, the judiciary is cracking down, and the intelligence forces are doing stupid sh!t, like being a waypoint for fleeing Taliban/Al Qaeda and giving arms to Hamas/Hezbollah when we were trying to be the most helpful.
"he is neither a fundamentalist nor a sponsor of Al-Qaeda"
The point was that any day, Iraq may have nuclear weapons, and already has other WOMD. This is a pitch to the head to send a message about that. If he continues to seek nukes, we'll destroy his regime.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
With friends like that....
Aye Mis Moneypenny. You took the words right out of my mouth
Kindly stop stalking me, Mr. Bond.Originally posted by paiktis22
Aye Mis Moneypenny. You took the words right out of my mouth
Mark , didn't you criticize the US for siding with dictatures and dangerous regimes ? so , they listened to your advice ! dammit ,you simply can't please sertain people.
so do you rather prefer good relations with that regime in Iran??? are you OK? you know that this will legitimize it . And that's bad.
Iraq : the dangerous thing is that Saddam has already shown that he has no restraints in using unconventional weapons .
generally , Mark , that was not right.
Look, the man talks like he walked straight off the pages of a comic book. "Evil doers." "Infinite Justice." "Axis of evil." "Is our children learning?" (hmmm... forget that last one.) And, frankly, that's what a lot of people like about him. It's not his fault. It's the public's fault for not expecting more of the most powerful man on Earth.
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
Yet another blunder by Bush... Well it just goes to show that he's learned nothing from this whole Afghanistan deal.
-Well take matters into your own hands: Leave.The Ignorance on this board is amazing.
-You mean someone will assassinate him in the meantime?Bush is not going back to the next State of the Union empty handed
-You do realize that Iran has a moderate elected president, right?We don't want warming relations with them. Like the Iranian people, we want to get rid of the Ayatollah and have a real democratic government for Iran.
-Think of it this way. What does he gain by calling them "evil"?Yeah, sure, Bush is to blame because the leader of NK is oppressive moron.
-If it's trolling to criticize Bush...Im just pointing out some people hate him no matter what he says. The trolling is pretty thinly vieled these days
"The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
-Joan Robinson
oh sure ... elected . there was a great choice of candidates there . him and the suicidal bomber guyYou do realize that Iran has a moderate elected president, right?
moderate ? so he's moderately undemocratic ? moderately fundamentalistic ? or should I say moderately "evil" ?
Hey, for Iran, that's progress
"The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
-Joan Robinson
those speeches are writeen well in advance by people much smarter than Bush. Bush doesn't ad lib his speeches.
I'm sure there is a reason they mentioned those countries in the State of union address...
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