German government trying to force children to go to mosque

[giblets]

Schedule some field trips to churches, synagogues and satanic temples as well. Children need to be educated about all the religions by observing their practices first hand.

[Main_Brain]

These thread is giving me headaches.

* Education is in the hands of the States not the 'German Government'
* The Fine is not for 'resisting going into a mosque' but for 'not going to school' or simply put: Pupils are not forced to take part in these expeditions, but if they don't participate they have to go to class (which is problematic on its own as for the school it means they need teaching personel and furthermore as most of the pupils are on a trip they can't teach curriculum)
* The parents chose to make a political statement on their childs back, which big surprise won't fly with neither bureaucracy nor Judicative
* Had the Pupil gone to school instead: no problem
* Had they called the Child in sick: no actionable problem (Usually a Doctors note is requires after 2 days of absence)
* Had the Pupil gone to the mosque and refused to enter: Depending on the Age of the pupil and the number of escorting teachers this could've led to an abortion of the trip and back to school for regular classes (That'll surely make some friends in class)

All in all this is one of those 'protests' which are best ignored as I somehow feel I should have done regarding this thread.. :Viking:


//typo

[Giancarlo]

Wow. That about kills the premise of this thread lol.

Thanks for the clarification. So the kid was never forced to go to the Mosque.

[Kidlicious]

These thread is giving me headaches.

* Education is in the hands of the States not the 'German Government'
* The Fine is not for 'resisting going into a mosque' but for 'not going to school' or simply put: Pupils are not forced to take part in these expeditions, but if they don't participate they have to go to class (which is problematic on its own as for the school it means they need teaching personel and furthermore as most of the pupils are on a trip they can't teach curriculum)
* The parents chose to make a political statement on their childs back, which big surprise won't fly with neither bureaucracy nor Judicative
* Had the Pupil gone to school instead: no problem
* Had they called the Child in sick: no actionable problem (Usually a Doctors note is requires after 2 days of absence)
* Had the Pupil gone to the mosque and refused to enter: Depending on the Age of the pupil and the number of escorting teachers this could've led to an abortion of the trip and back to school for regular classes (That'll surely make some friends in class)

All in all this is one of those 'protests' which are best ignored as I somehow feel I should have done regarding this thread.. :Viking:


//typo

Huh? This is not a protest. This is parents not wanting their children to be indoctrinated into the state political/religious belief system.

[Kidlicious]

Schedule some field trips to churches, synagogues and satanic temples as well. Children need to be educated about all the religions by observing their practices first hand.

Yes, you will have Satanic churches clamoring to have students come to their church in no time.

Of course this is all about making people believe that Islam is a religion of peace, much like Satanism tries to make people think they aren't just about hating Christians.

[Kidlicious]

I'm a little torn on this one. While I'd like to say that parents should be able to opt their kids out of a field trip, if they just did a class on Islam and tolerence, the parents would probably never know so wouldn't object, so maybe they shouldn't be able to opt out.

I do think that school officials are kind of acting like Dicks for being so adamant. Religion can be kind of a sensitive and personal topic and should be treated accordingly.

That being said, I think the parents are closed minded douches for arguing

Just a dumb reason.

From what I can tell it's not acceptable to say that you don't want your child to go to a mosque because you don't want them to become a muslim, so maybe they thought it was better to say it's for safety reasons. You have to be aware that people face public scorn for perceived intolerance in some European countries like we don't see in the States.

[rah]

To me

that you don't want your child to go to a mosque because you don't want them to become a muslim,

Is an equally dumb reason. Just saying.

[Proteus_MST]

Huh? This is not a protest. This is parents not wanting their children to be indoctrinated into the state political/religious belief system.

There is no state church and insofar no indictrination ninto some state belief system

There are religious lessons at school, but split into evangelical, catholic or muslim, dependant on the belief of the kids.
(although AFAIK in many schools there are no special muslim religiou8s classes and the pupils are instead religously educated in a religious sunday school of their parish ... same goes for small christian sects, jerws buddhists and other religions wjhere the school offers no specific religion class ... these pupils also don't need to visit the normal religous classes and havbe free time during the hour where religous classes are held)

And the majority of the time pupils in those religious classes are taught about their own religion ... there is just maybe 1 school year out of 10/12/13 years (at least it was so during my time), where pupils also are taught also about the beliefs of other religions (and may do excursions to other religions temples, like the class in the OP did)

[Kidlicious]

To me



Is an equally dumb reason. Just saying.

Maybe you don't care if your child becomes a Muslim. They do. And it's their right and duty to protect their children.

[Proteus_MST]

Maybe you don't care if your child becomes a Muslim. They do. And it's their right and duty to protect their children.

Sounds to me like you don't know how such excursions usually are handled.
The class stays together and the teacher is in front, explaining everything (sometimes also having parents or assistant teachers with them btw.)
More or less like a guided museum tour.

There surely is no:
O.K., now you are free to play with those muslims in the mosque

Bad chance for muslim preachers to hold conversion talks with the kids

[Kidlicious]

There is no state church and insofar no indictrination ninto some state belief system

There are religious lessons at school, but split into evangelical, catholic or muslim, dependant on the belief of the kids.
(although AFAIK in many schools there are no special muslim religiou8s classes and the pupils are instead religously educated in a religious sunday school of their parish ... same goes for small christian sects, jerws buddhists and other religions wjhere the school offers no specific religion class ... these pupils also don't need to visit the normal religous classes and havbe free time during the hour where religous classes are held)

And the majority of the time pupils in those religious classes are taught about their own religion ... there is just maybe 1 school year out of 10/12/13 years (at least it was so during my time), where pupils also are taught also about the beliefs of other religions (and may do excursions to other religions temples, like the class in the OP did)

Well in the case in Britain the school system reported that the reason for the field trip was to teach children that ISIS is not true Islam. That is political/religious indoctrination. You can't tell me that they aren't trying to indoctrinate children.

But that is not the point. The point is that the parents didn't want their children to go to the mosque. The reasonable thing to do is just ignore this. But the school is making a point about this for political reasons. That further proves that this is all political. Would they be doing this is the parents didn't want their children to go to the local museum?

[Kidlicious]

Sounds to me like you don't know how such excursions usually are handled.
The class stays together and the teacher is in front, explaining everything (sometimes also having parents or assistant teachers with them btw.)
More or less like a guided museum tour.

There surely is no:
O.K., now you are free to play with those muslims in the mosque

Bad chance for muslim preachers to hold conversion talks with the kids

I understand how you expect that the excursion will be handled. They are not always handled that way. In fact there is already at least one case where they children were taught to pray to Allah.

If they never talk to Muslims there why even go? No. You can't tell me that the Muslims don't talk to them.

[Proteus_MST]

I understand how you expect that the excursion will be handled. They are not always handled that way. In fact there is already at least one case where they children were taught to pray to Allah.

If they never talk to Muslims there why even go? No. You can't tell me that the Muslims don't talk to them.

Sure, there will be muslims who talk to them ... but all in the presence of the teacher ... no chance to secretly tell them to convert to Islam in order to get some cookies

[giblets]

Visiting a mosque is not going to make them muslim

[Kidlicious]

Sure, there will be muslims who talk to them ... but all in the presence of the teacher ... no chance to secretly tell them to convert to Islam in order to get some cookies

Muslims, probably the Iman, is going to be teaching them about Islam, and you don't call that indoctrination? You don't understand why some parents have a problem with that?