EU Referendum - La Deuxième Partie

[BeBMan]

Here's a novel concept: "show me the money"

Think hard it will come to you

It's a non-argument unless you provide specific insights as to what poll was rigged because of "the money" (if that's what you're on about). Using vague generalities to say something about a certain case is not leading anywhere if you want to discuss a specific cases like "poll X is rigged". Might as well come up with "its in the matrix".

[Bereta_Eder]

Funnily enough it IS in the matrix.

The optimistic view is that it doesn't matter. All the terrorizing britain has probably already received is on par with rigged polls

[BeBMan]

Which rigged polls are you referring to?

[Bereta_Eder]

The ones that will become abudadently clear after the 23 June referendum. Where the result will marginaly be in favor of stay because the brits don't have that anarchistic **** you all greek (fake) sentiment

[BeBMan]

I see - polls in the future. That's cool.

[Bereta_Eder]

Fake polls influencing (marginally) the end result, yeah

[Bereta_Eder]

Although here I should state that brits ARE crazy.

Two factors: first cousins of the europeans, no euro

The real percentage is indeterminable now. It can be go or stay.
But by having polls indicating it is in the edge of the knife all the middle class ****s will vote stay


I was right about the scotland referendum I will be right about this.

If I'm not, it will be my joy to be wrong

[pchang]

Thesis:
It is to the advantage of the "Powers That Be" for the UK to remain within the EC. Therefore, they will manipulate polling results to achieve that end. Regular middle class people fear and exit and higher turnout from that class will help the UK to remain within the EC.

Case 1: True Poll results show the referendum will fail (UK will remain)
To what advantage would it be to change the poll results to show that the vote could go either way? You don't need higher turnout from the regular middle class because the vote will fail anyway. Saying the vote is up in the air will give encouragement to those who want to leave.
This makes no sense.

Case 2: True Poll results show the vote could go either way
This is not an alteration, therefore there is no manipulation.

Case 3: True Poll results show the vote will win (UK will leave)
Why would one distort the results to show leaving is less likely? This would result in less fear and therefore less turnout of the regular middle class.
Again, this makes no sense.

In any case, why would higher turn out be bad for democracy? Poll results showing strong results for either side would reduce all turnout (those without strong opinions will think that their vote will not make a difference and only the more engaged will vote). Poll results showing the vote could go either way will increase all turnout (those leaning to either side will see greater importance in their vote and vote). Higher turnout will reveal the true will of the people, either way.

[Bereta_Eder]

First one has to agree that the result being on the edge of the knife is fascinating in itself.

Questioning the european project was unthinkable in the not so distant past.

It took some semi crazy left wing greeks to challenge that and the seed was sawn. I still believe necessity moves things but there can be decoration.



Coming to the polls.

The real stance of the people is a minor plus for the go vote.
Let's say you see some overwhleming enemy coming your way. There is no way you can defeat him. You let your shoulders fall down.

However, if the notion of resistance is given to you, you'll fight.

[Dauphin]

Did a Brexiter really just murder an MP campaigning for Remain?

[Dauphin]

Labour MP Jo Cox dies after being shot in Birstall, Leeds
She was 'shot three times and stabbed with foot-long knife'
Witness says mother of two, 41, left lying in blood on pavement
Gunman allegedly shouted 'Britain First' before walking away
Suspected attacker named locally as Thomas Mair
West Yorkshire Police say 52-year-old man is arrested over attack

[kentonio]

Seriously ****ed up..

[kentonio]

First British MP to be murdered since 1991 and the spate of IRA killings. News is just full of totally shocked people. Both referendum campaigns have immediately suspended campaigning.

[BeBMan]

[kentonio]

Today is the beginning of a new chapter in our lives. More difficult, more painful, less joyful, less full of love. I and Jo's friends and family are going to work every moment of our lives to love and nurture our kids and to fight against the hate that killed Jo.

Jo believed in a better world and she fought for it every day of her life with an energy, and a zest for life that would exhaust most people.

She would have wanted two things above all else to happen now, one that our precious children are bathed in love and two, that we all unite to fight against the hatred that killed her. Hate doesn't have a creed, race or religion, it is poisonous.

Jo would have no regrets about her life, she lived every day of it to the full.