NYT: Pilot was locked out

[regexcellent]

We now have the possibility of siezure, heart attack and other medical events involving the single pilot. The other tack is suicide or a suicide attack.

J

28 year olds that can pass a flight physical don't die of heart attacks.

[FlameFlash]

Have to agree Monk. Hope that after all of this at least some preventative steps will occur in the future.

[Uncle Sparky]

[Wiglaf]

28 year olds that can pass a flight physical don't die of heart attacks.

This is completely idiotic

[Donegeal]

I have an idea: Activating the '5-minute override' or turning on the switch to override the emergency code to get back in the cockpit will trigger an alarm at Air Traffic Control. ATC could communicate about the lockout and even override the lockout from the ground if needed.

[pchang]

Allowing remote control of plane security elements from ATC would open up a new way to remotely hack airplanes. I think just implementing the 2 man rule should be sufficient.

[Proteus_MST]

With regards to the germanwings plane, Donegals idea probably wouldn´t have saved the plane.

From the press conference of the french attorney we know that it took 8 minutes from the begin of the descent to its collision with the mountain.
We also know that the copilot began to alter the flight level settings as soon as the pilot left the cockpit, so it was 8-9 minutes from the pilot leaving to the collision.
I guess that he first normally went to toilet and aftrrwards returned ... perhaps with 3-4 minutes till collision remaining and also first knocked at the door and waited a little bit till he (probably) tried to enter the door code and had to wait half a minute after the system would open the door (after all he probably was as unsuspecting as eevryone else, that the copilot was up to something) ... and only when this didn´t work (probably in the last minute before collision) tried to get entry by force.

Considering that in Donegals scenario ATC would first have to notice the door code override and then try to communicate with the copilot about his reasons for overriding the door code unlock (meaning probably 2-3 attempts at communication together with waiting if an answer comes) before they would remotely unlock the cockpit door, this may already be too much time lost (i.e. too low flight level) (and may also persuade the copilot to increase the rate of descent) to get it back on altitude in time

[Bereta_Eder]

The company was all about profit (like every company but particularly this one).
The pilot was in for a 70.000 euro loan to pay back his pilot training.
That's what happens when you let profit seeking neoliberal schemes go berserk. People snap (especially when they have a predispotition I guess)
The company is very much liable.
Reminds me the cut throat competition amongst cadres that was imposed in France Telecom and led to a sharp increase of suicides untill politics set economy straight again.

[DinoDoc]

The company is very much liable.

How so? Is there any indication they knew about the man's mental state and still put him in a cockpit?

[Bereta_Eder]

You are far behind. They have themselves said that he was on close watch, they knew about his issues. The paperwork about it is there too.
That's not why they are liable though.

[regexcellent]

This is a freak incident and frankly I'm not convinced any action needs to be taken.

[DinoDoc]

You are far behind. They have themselves said that he was on close watch, they knew about his issues. The paperwork about it is there too.
That's not why they are liable though.

If they knew about his mental state, that is entirely why they'd be liable.

[DinoDoc]

This is a freak incident and frankly I'm not convinced any action needs to be taken.

The 2 man rule would be the only real change I'd recommend.

[Bereta_Eder]

No. They are liable for executing profit seeking schemes with disregard for human repercussions. (along with many others of course).

[DinoDoc]

No. They are liable for executing profit seeking schemes with disregard for human repercussions.

Is that commie speak for putting a person with mental issues in the cockpit of an airplane?