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    I have a new job as a netadmin. I love this job. I have a lot of responsibility, shockingly, and the partners of the firm explicitly trust me to carry out my duties flawlessly. I have been given broad authority to restructure a massive swath of the IT here and so far it's going along swimmingly. It helps that I am also getting paid pretty good money for my age and experience.

    There is, however, one significant chunk of my job that absolutely sucks: spending other people's money. I didn't know it was even possible to make this unfun, but somehow companies like Hewlett Packard and Microsoft have managed to do so.

    Allow me to explain. When I buy things like computer parts, network equipment, software, etc. for myself, I generally get on a website, say, Amazon and order it and it arrives at my door a few days later. If all else fails I can get in my car and drive and buy it at a store. Naively, I believed I could do the same thing with business transactions. Not so. For most of these vendors you can't even see prices on their websites let alone buy anything, and for the ones where you can you're a chump if you do cause it's all marked up about 30%.

    So you call them up on the phone, and it turns out they just don't sell to businesses except resellers. They then direct you to a reseller where you are put on hold for 15 minutes at a time even though you are trying to give them money. Then when it's time to buy these things you find out that the price is like college tuition: the more you can pay the more you are expected to pay. And there are tons of little gotchas, like license fees to use basic features, that don't get mentioned until the very end.

    An example. I intended to purchase an SAS disk enclosure from HP. This is not a hugely complicated device. It holds hard drives. You then plug it into a server and that server reads off the hard drives. There is a switching fabric inside so the price tag of ~$3,000 is sort of reasonable. What's less reasonable is that the prices for the included disks are exorbitant, like $600 where they should be $200, even considering the extra quality control that goes into enterprise class disks.

    But there is a catch: In order to insert (otherwise ordinary) drives into the array, they have to be attached to a special plastic caddy that allows them to fit in snugly. These caddies do not come with the array; they can only be purchased with a drive. A drive with a 300% markup. Cue the following conversation:

    Me: "Hi, my name is reg and I work at XYZ company and we are looking to purchase an HP D2600 SAS disk enclosure. I have some questions for you."
    HP employee: "Alright, go ahead."
    Me: "Does the array come with the drive caddies?"
    HP: "Yes, if you buy the drives."
    Me: "So it doesn't come with the caddies then?"
    HP: "No, it comes with the caddies, but you also have to buy the drives."
    Me: "So I can't buy just the array, but not the drives, and get the caddies?"
    HP: "No, you cannot."
    Me: "So it doesn't come with the caddies."
    HP: "Well, fine, if you want to put it that way."
    Me: "Do you sell the caddies separately at all? Can I just buy caddies and not drives?"
    HP: "No."
    Me: "What if I paid you a lot of money for them? Say, $100 apiece?" [This would still put me well ahead of their price point]
    HP: "No"
    Me: "$150?"
    HP: "We do not sell the caddies separately."
    Me: "Well, I do not buy hard drives for $600 apiece. So do you know a place where I can get Chinese knockoffs of your caddies?"
    *long silence*
    HP rep: "...Let me direct you to one of our resellers."

    I am put on hold for about 15 minutes. After negotiating with the reseller I am offered a price of $300 per drive. Caddies included.

    It's like buying a car, except I'm doing it a dozen times a day.
    Last edited by regexcellent; June 26, 2014, 23:28. Reason: cue, not queue

  • #2
    We have a vendor that sold us a building automation system, works great does what it says.The thermostats are ~$80 a piece and are attached to the wall, at just the wrong height for hospitals with cart, beds, stretchers, x-ray machines, etc moving about constantly. it has a snap-on cover with a door which hides the controls. It is constantly getting knocked off and lost or broken. Can I buy a replacement piece for $10 or $15? Hell no, you have to replace the whole thermostat.

    The company in question rhymes with Semen.

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    Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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    • #3
      Welcome to the free market, where everyone is out to screw as much money out of each other as possible and so will make getting a good deal as complicated as possible.

      The alternative is worse of course ... instead of a long hassle to get a less absurdly overpriced deal for products produced by miserably compensated workers who can't leave their country of birth ... you're a miserably compensated worker unable to leave the country of your birth to find better work.

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      • #4
        Reg, you are actually developing a marketable skill there. People will pay good money to have others go through all that crap for them. Unfortunately, that means you would have to keep doing it.
        No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
          I have a new job as a netadmin. I love this job. I have a lot of responsibility, shockingly, and the partners of the firm explicitly trust me to carry out my duties flawlessly. I have been given broad authority to restructure a massive swath of the IT here and so far it's going along swimmingly. It helps that I am also getting paid pretty good money for my age and experience.

          There is, however, one significant chunk of my job that absolutely sucks: spending other people's money. I didn't know it was even possible to make this unfun, but somehow companies like Hewlett Packard and Microsoft have managed to do so.

          Allow me to explain. When I buy things like computer parts, network equipment, software, etc. for myself, I generally get on a website, say, Amazon and order it and it arrives at my door a few days later. If all else fails I can get in my car and drive and buy it at a store. Naively, I believed I could do the same thing with business transactions. Not so. For most of these vendors you can't even see prices on their websites let alone buy anything, and for the ones where you can you're a chump if you do cause it's all marked up about 30%.

          So you call them up on the phone, and it turns out they just don't sell to businesses except resellers. They then direct you to a reseller where you are put on hold for 15 minutes at a time even though you are trying to give them money. Then when it's time to buy these things you find out that the price is like college tuition: the more you can pay the more you are expected to pay. And there are tons of little gotchas, like license fees to use basic features, that don't get mentioned until the very end.

          An example. I intended to purchase an SAS disk enclosure from HP. This is not a hugely complicated device. It holds hard drives. You then plug it into a server and that server reads off the hard drives. There is a switching fabric inside so the price tag of ~$3,000 is sort of reasonable. What's less reasonable is that the prices for the included disks are exorbitant, like $600 where they should be $200, even considering the extra quality control that goes into enterprise class disks.

          But there is a catch: In order to insert (otherwise ordinary) drives into the array, they have to be attached to a special plastic caddy that allows them to fit in snugly. These caddies do not come with the array; they can only be purchased with a drive. A drive with a 300% markup. Queue the following conversation:

          Me: "Hi, my name is reg and I work at XYZ company and we are looking to purchase an HP D2600 SAS disk enclosure. I have some questions for you."
          HP employee: "Alright, go ahead."
          Me: "Does the array come with the drive caddies?"
          HP: "Yes, if you buy the drives."
          Me: "So it doesn't come with the caddies then?"
          HP: "No, it comes with the caddies, but you also have to buy the drives."
          Me: "So I can't buy just the array, but not the drives, and get the caddies?"
          HP: "No, you cannot."
          Me: "So it doesn't come with the caddies."
          HP: "Well, fine, if you want to put it that way."
          Me: "Do you sell the caddies separately at all? Can I just buy caddies and not drives?"
          HP: "No."
          Me: "What if I paid you a lot of money for them? Say, $100 apiece?" [This would still put me well ahead of their price point]
          HP: "No"
          Me: "$150?"
          HP: "We do not sell the caddies separately."
          Me: "Well, I do not buy hard drives for $600 apiece. So do you know a place where I can get Chinese knockoffs of your caddies?"
          *long silence*
          HP rep: "...Let me direct you to one of our resellers."

          I am put on hold for about 15 minutes. After negotiating with the reseller I am offered a price of $300 per drive. Caddies included.

          It's like buying a car, except I'm doing it a dozen times a day.
          You went to college for this?
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          • #6
            I'm not finished with college so, no, not exactly.

            The whole "buying things" part of my job is probably going to be mostly over for the summer soon and it will then be traveling around the country setting up an entire company network from scratch in a dozen different offices.

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            • #7
              Alls I'm sayin is, I'm doing the same thing or at least am capable of doing the same thing, sans college. Please tell me you aspire to more with your book learning.
              "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
              'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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              • #8
                We all can't be porn stars, MRT.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MRT144 View Post
                  Alls I'm sayin is, I'm doing the same thing or at least am capable of doing the same thing, sans college. Please tell me you aspire to more with your book learning.
                  There is a significant computer science/programming aspect to my job also.

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                  • #10
                    When I worked for the government I had to get three quotes for anything I wanted to buy, and then the person in charge of buying stuff would just go ahead and buy the stuff from whoever they wanted to (for at least 200% of the cost of the best quote I got)
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                    • #11
                      Markets
                      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                      • #12
                        You have to remember that a lot of vendors have high markups on their price sheets but generally give everyone discounts. For instance, we buy a lot of field testing equipment like portable water quality meters, PIDs, dust monitors, etc... and it is very much like buying a car. At first they don't want to give you a price sheet, then they don't want to give you any discounts from their price sheet, and by the end you're buying a piece of equipment for 30%-40% off of the price listed on their official price sheet.
                        Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                          When I worked for the government I had to get three quotes for anything I wanted to buy, and then the person in charge of buying stuff would just go ahead and buy the stuff from whoever they wanted to (for at least 200% of the cost of the best quote I got)
                          This is how we make our money and this is why we schmooze the PMs and the general managers at the various local branch agencies every chance we get.
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #14
                            It helps that I am also getting paid pretty good money for my age and experience.


                            God bless minimum wage, eh?
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                            • #15
                              Customer service in general sucks... not just for business.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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