It's Russia we're supposed to find a threat?

[kentonio]

It's an open secret that the English-speaking countries edge around their own constitutional limitations by spying on each other and sharing the results.

As long as countries have existed, even friendly countries spy on each other for their own ends. They certainly do not share everything with their allies, and their spying is absolutely not always sanctioned by the home countries governments.

[Dinner]

We share almost 100% of our intelligence with Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Almost any spying we do on Britain gets shared with British intelligence; they knew about it and found it handy. Your government is equally culpable.

That's the thing. The US can't spy on most Americans and the UK can't spy on most British citizens so the two agree to spy on each others citizens and then share the data. Mission Accomplished!

It's an obvious illegal dodge.

[kentonio]

If anything, UK government is worse. You don't see the US instituting a mandatory pornography ban (including sex education websites) that one needs to "opt out" of.

Just calm the **** down, your mom won't be out of work for long.

[regexcellent]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement

We share our signals intelligence (what the NSA collects) with the other English-speaking countries and they share their stuff with us.

[Sava]

Just calm the **** down, your mom won't be out of work for long.

for "yourmom" burn

[Dinner]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement

We share our signals intelligence (what the NSA collects) with the other English-speaking countries and they share their stuff with us.

Exactly. We spy on each other, with permission, then share the data thus getting around domestic laws which don't allow the spy agencies of each country to spy on their own citizens. The end result is both governments get all the data without technically breaking existing law. It's still authoritarian nonsense which breaks the spirit of the law of both countries even if not the letter of the law. This needs to change and laws need to be strengthened to stop this bull****.

[Dinner]

The National Security Agency has built a surveillance system capable of recording “100 percent” of a foreign country’s telephone calls, enabling the agency to rewind and review conversations as long as a month after they take place, according to people with direct knowledge of the effort and documents supplied by former contractor Edward Snowden.

Even the "we delete it after one month" thing is a complete lie. The US CIA deletes the data after one month but British intelligence keeps it forever while British intelligence might delete its domestic data after a month (or what ever time period) but the CIA keeps it forever. So effectively both have access to 100% of all telephone, text, and internet data forever because they both share everything. It's just a dodge.

[notyoueither]

How about **** you America?

You think they're the only ones doing this? You're not that naive, are you?

[Sava]

You think they're the only ones doing this? You're not that naive, are you?

Don't say this! UK citizens might actually have to take responsibility for their government's role in spying!

[PLATO]

I am all for my government spying on anyone who isn't a citizen or legal resident. I am all for my government protecting me from being spied on by anyone.

Anyone who doesn't feel this way, in any country, should have their head examined.

People from other countries are just jealous because we are so darn good at it.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Yes, we are jealous because everyone is spying on everyone and most that you do is tracked in at least seven different databases in the world. Lovely , no problem as long as you do not step on someone's toes.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sava's trying to troll british nationalists by trolling Kentonio? I'm pretty sure I'm the only British nationalist here.

[DaShi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement

We share our signals intelligence (what the NSA collects) with the other English-speaking countries and they share their stuff with us.

Not all of it, and certainly not much of what they collect spying on us (and vice versa).

[Dauphin]

I am all for my government spying on anyone who isn't a citizen or legal resident. I am all for my government protecting me from being spied on by anyone.

Anyone who doesn't feel this way, in any country, should have their head examined.

People from other countries are just jealous because we are so darn good at it.

Hmmm, not getting publicly caught is the game? In which case, not very good. There seem to be better covert operators out there.

[PLATO]

Hmmm, not getting publicly caught is the game? In which case, not very good. There seem to be better covert operators out there.

Now that's a fact!