Pope sends direct message to Ben

[rah]

Then he shouldn't have used it as an example to make a point. Which is all that I said. But yes, not a surprise.

[giblets]

If Ben only talked about things he understood his posts would consist entirely of basic astronomy facts and Catholic dogmas.

[The Mad Monk]

...okay, so who's up for some cribbage?

[Aeson]

I have many fond memories of playing rook with my siblings. This thread has ruined that for me ... thanks Obama

[Ben Kenobi]

Not three months ago, BK failed basic English grammar. That he's not good with the rules of an obscure old-person card game is not that big of a deal by comparison

Elok:

English doesn't use the imperfect tense

Kenobi:

Yes it does.

You were wrong then and still wrong now. Asserting that you're 'right' when you were wrong is just plain ignorance.

[Ben Kenobi]

If Ben only talked about things he understood his posts would consist entirely of basic astronomy facts and Catholic dogmas.

Which is two more than Gribbler.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm crying into my copy of 'D!ck sees Spot run' now.

That you kept from Grammar school?

[Ben Kenobi]

Nikolai's link suggests that if you are using aces, they are high, so it's even more confusing.

Not if you consider that I believe Henry VIII to be the highest card that could be played in this situation.

[Ben Kenobi]

Oh wow, you've suddenly found some human compassion for a poor woman who was basically hacked to death? Good, you should feel compassion for her. Now, how about you find some for the 300 odd people who were tied to a stake of wood, surrounded with more wood and then set fire to?

Under Henry?

You don't think they might just have suffered a bit more standing there feeling themselves being slowly cooked alive?

Sure, but I have little patience with folks who burned other people getting burnt when the tables turn. Hey - don't like getting burnt at stake - don't burn other people!

I don't recall Jesus telling the early Christians to rise up in armed rebellion to try and overthrow and kill the Romans. Which part of the bible did that happen in again?

They didn't. That's the point I'm hammering home. Catholics were executed for stating that they believe in the sanctity of Marriage (More, etc), or for trying to go to mass, performing Mass, or in the case of some, "being a plantagenet and Catholic".

There was no rebellion - it was pure tyranny.

[Ben Kenobi]

i've already demolished you over henry. i thought we were talking about elizabeth. i'm telling you that someone dying in prison is not the same as them being executed. do try to keep up.

And I'm talking about folks who actually were executed.

yes some were killed for their faith, no one has ever disputed that of course.

Everyone has disputed that, saying that it was 'rebellion' and that the executions were justified. No - they weren't justified. Not under Henry, not under Elizabeth.

numbers which you have consistently tried to inflate.

I haven't even mentioned the Famine yet either.

around that time, a lot of people died for their religion. all the various 'heretics', the patarini, the dulcinians, the waldensians, the lollards. the victims of the albigensian crusade, the hussite wars, the inquisition, the counter reformation, the wars of religion in france etc.

I find it telling that someone can recite a laundry list, but hasn't even heard of the Pilgrimage of Grace. See - this is the historical distortion that needs to be corrected.

[Ben Kenobi]

Name them. Provide the list, or remain a liar.

Actual named people? Since you're already in Catholic Encylopedia looking through the martyrologies, you have them already.

[C0ckney]

English [uses] the imperfect tense

another fantastic example of you being proven wrong and then coming back with the same ridiculous assertion.

[C0ckney]

And I'm talking about folks who actually were executed.

then provide some evidence for your claims. for both henry and elizabeth.

Everyone has disputed that, saying that it was 'rebellion' and that the executions were justified. No - they weren't justified. Not under Henry, not under Elizabeth.

no they haven't. no one has. please stop lying.

we're talking about the numbers. you have constantly tried to inflate the numbers killed by protestant monarchs and minimise those by catholic ones. you have been corrected several times, by molly and myself, yet you continue to post them.

I find it telling that someone can recite a laundry list, but hasn't even heard of the Pilgrimage of Grace. See - this is the historical distortion that needs to be corrected.

you mean the pilgrimage of grace that i mentioned in post 393, which you replied to. imbecile.

[Elok]

another fantastic example of you being proven wrong and then coming back with the same ridiculous assertion.

I don't know who taught him how English "was spoke," but they did a meh job of it.

[kentonio]

Sure, but I have little patience with folks who burned other people getting burnt when the tables turn. Hey - don't like getting burnt at stake - don't burn other people!

You think the 300 odd people burned by Mary had all burned other people? Are you stupid?

There was no rebellion - it was pure tyranny.

Everyone has disputed that, saying that it was 'rebellion' and that the executions were justified. No - they weren't justified. Not under Henry, not under Elizabeth.

The Revolt of the Northern Earls didn't happen?