Chick-fil-A and Bigotry Part II

[Al B. Sure!]

Zevico, you ****ing idiot, Blacks are 12% of the US population and that proportion is DECREASING! Blacks will never be able to inflict genocide on anybody!

If anything, a powerful NoI, which would never ever ever happen, would only lead to an oppressive reaction by whites against Blacks.

[Kidicious]

What is truly ironic is that the closest to a nazi parallel you can actually draw in modern America is the rise of the religious right with their endless drip feeding of immigrant fear, racial discord and liberal hate.

What a tool.

[kentonio]

What a tool.

I'm not talking about just anyone religious and right wing Kid, I'm specifically talking about the group that are pushing a religious/political agenda and who use otherness as a weapon.

[Kidicious]

I'm not talking about just anyone religious and right wing Kid, I'm specifically talking about the group that are pushing a religious/political agenda and who use otherness as a weapon.

Like what? Being against gay marriage and teaching the Bible in schools? And you think that's potentially how the Nazi's came to power? Come on.

[kentonio]

Like what? Being against gay marriage and teaching the Bible in schools? And you think that's potentially how the Nazi's came to power? Come on.

Is that what I said?

[Wezil]

I'll grant you that it is "shocking" that a company run by a conservative Christian would take a conservative position.

"shocking" is your word not mine. You don't need to " " yourself.

I would use "stupid".

That being said...
Cities lack the authority to ban them from their jurisdiction for that reason. Unless you believe Conservative cities have the authority to ban companies run by liberals from setting up shop there solely because of politics.

I have no interest in banning them. They could start a business in Canada next week. They would have more protesters than customers but they could do it. Their brand of hate would not go over as well here as it does in the fundie US south.

[DinoDoc]

I have no interest in banning them.

Chicago politicians were and presumably still are interested in doing so.

[Wezil]

I'm not a Chicago politician.

You were responding to me, not them.

[DinoDoc]

The topic of the thread is their conflict with a Chicago alderman over their ability to legally set up shop in Chicago.

[Wezil]

Then don't respond to me when you are really railing against what they are saying/doing.

My argument was about the stupidity of staking out a controversial social position when you want to expand a business beyond the confines of where such an opinion is acceptable. I never took the position they should be banned (it wouldn't even be necessary here quite frankly) and your response to me implied I did. It was a strawman.

[Wezil]

Now go sort out the Benghazi issue in the other thread.

edit - I see you are on it. Thanks.

[Zevico]

Zevico, you ****ing idiot, Blacks are 12% of the US population and that proportion is DECREASING! Blacks will never be able to inflict genocide on anybody!

If anything, a powerful NoI, which would never ever ever happen, would only lead to an oppressive reaction by whites against Blacks.

That makes it all better. Thank goodness. Here I was thinking the Democrats were openly working with racial supremacists. Here I was thinking that made them a collection of idiots without any understanding of history. But now you tell me people who identify as black are on the decrease, so it follows that black supremacists can never commit genocide. Well, I guess that means no more race based violence? I mean other than arson, assault, murder and riots, what could possibly go wrong?

The LA riots, the NY riots, the arson of stores, how did these happen if not because of these kinds of ideologies? Or the "justice for Travyon" beatings and robberies, how did they happen without groups like the NOI? They were no more about one man then the protests overseas were about one video.

[gribbler]

Zevico, you ****ing idiot, Blacks are 12% of the US population and that proportion is DECREASING! Blacks will never be able to inflict genocide on anybody!

If anything, a powerful NoI, which would never ever ever happen, would only lead to an oppressive reaction by whites against Blacks.

That makes it all better. Thank goodness. Here I was thinking the Democrats were openly working with racial supremacists. Here I was thinking that made them a collection of idiots without any understanding of history. But now you tell me people who identify as black are on the decrease, so it follows that black supremacists can never commit genocide. Well, I guess that means no more race based violence? I mean other than arson, assault, murder and riots, what could possibly go wrong?

The LA riots, the NY riots, the arson of stores, how did these happen if not because of these kinds of ideologies? Or the "justice for Travyon" beatings and robberies, how did they happen without groups like the NOI? They were no more about one man then the protests overseas were about one video.

You're a dumbass. Would you like to bet on this? Do you really think the Nation of Islam is taking over?

What makes you think people need an "ideology" to riot?

[Zevico]

We've trodden this ground before. These are direct examples of people justifying and committing acts of race-based violence. Race-based violence is violence in the name of an ideology/belief--the ideology that race exists, other than as a factor that affects physical makeup and appearance. It's a small step from saying "this is what you're entitled to as a race" to "go out and take what you're entitled to by force." This is the ideology being promoted by the Nation of Islam.

[Kidicious]

I knew it. Some people who are crying about free speech think it's ok to tell lies about others resulting in violence against those people.

[Zevico]

You're a dumbass. Would you like to bet on this? Do you really think the Nation of Islam is taking over?

You simply assume that I think the NOI is taking over. In fact I make no such claim. All I'm saying is that Chicago Democrats are empowering a black supremacist movement. I think that speaks to the intellectual bankruptcy of that political party. I think that it's terrible for Chicago and even the US-not because it means the NOI is taking over but because the Democrats have just granted them an audience to spew their hatred and an opportunity to present themselves as protectors of the community.

Edit: and frankly why do have to repeat myself? Earlier I wrote:

I'm saying the Dems are making a mistake in assuming that people will turn to them after seeking NOI protection. I'm saying that mistake will cost a great deal to Chigaco, long term maybe even the US. Because it empowers the NOI. The history books aren't written yet and the NOI may rise or (hopefully) fall for other reasons. But if they do Americans and the Dems in particular will have only themselves to blame for the cost to society.

[gribbler]

This is quite possibly the most desperate attempt to smear a political party I've ever seen. I can tell you now that the chances of the Nation of Islam "rising" are zero. They've been empowered to do what, report any crimes they see?

[gribbler]

We've trodden this ground before. These are direct examples of people justifying and committing acts of race-based violence. Race-based violence is violence in the name of an ideology/belief--the ideology that race exists, other than as a factor that affects physical makeup and appearance. It's a small step from saying "this is what you're entitled to as a race" to "go out and take what you're entitled to by force." This is the ideology being promoted by the Nation of Islam.

The concept of race isn't an ideology, it's a social construct.

[Zevico]

This is amazing. Aid and empower a black supremacist group and you're hunky dory. Here you all are protesting this will cause nothing, do nothing, ever. Then you have the gall to say you care about opposing racism. You don't.

[Wezil]

I'd be wiling to bet there are more than a few white supremicists in the Republican party.

[Al B. Sure!]

This is amazing. Aid and empower a black supremacist group and you're hunky dory. Here you all are protesting this will cause nothing, do nothing, ever. Then you have the gall to say you care about opposing racism. You don't.

Don't you have some Aborigines to oppress or are the 'Lebs' more your thing?

[Asher]

What is the definition of a "hate group?" Is it any group that opposes gay marriage? If so, how does half the country feel about being called a hate group? I'd be more pissed off about being called that, than being told I'm a moocher by Mitt Romney.

Half of the country are haters if half of the country are against equal rights.

They don't constitutes a hate group until they become organized.

[gribbler]

The Republicans are a hate group then.

[Asher]

The Republicans are a hate group then.

What else would you call them?

A party hell-bent on denying rights to others certainly qualify. Just because they're mainstream in your country doesn't make them less of an instrument of hate.

[Wiglaf]

How silly. Laws deny rights to people all the time, particularly sexual deviants.

By the way, I don't hate gays, I hate their sense of entitlement.

[Wiglaf]

I mean, even when they kill themselves, it's someone else's fault, and someone owes their family money and jail time. Women are like this too, with equal pay crap and their custom bath rooms.

[Elok]

Women's bathrooms are inferior, as they lack urinals. I hear they do have "automatic tampon removers," but only according to this one joke I heard once.

[MrFun]

This is amazing. Aid and empower a black supremacist group and you're hunky dory. Here you all are protesting this will cause nothing, do nothing, ever. Then you have the gall to say you care about opposing racism. You don't.

I don't remember you ever creating a thread protesting the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis, or white supremacist militia groups. I guess that makes you racist.